What MOG's ending revealed to us about Heretics and Nikkes [Nikke Lore Theory]

[@michaeljohnsingun1616]

I am still fairly new but I find the take that Heretics become their ideal versions interesting. It made me think Marian's second affection form is her seeing Crown as the ideal form, someone who will protect those she cares, a queen like Crown during that time.

[@TakenaShin]

@@michaeljohnsingun1616 yes, I can totally see that being the case!

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

If your theory about Rapi is correct that would help explain why Rapi hasn’t gotten an SSR version yet while Anis and Neon have. Granted, I don’t think the Summer forms of Anis and Neon are necessarily representative of them “deciding who they want to be” but I do think it’s true that Anis and Neon know who they are as individuals and their place in the world better than Rapi does.

[@TakenaShin]

@@daltooinewestwood6380 yeah I believe that Anis and Neon have already decided since the two of them are specialized Nikkes. Meanwhile Rapi is a mass produced Nikke who became specialized for some unknown reason. But I think that Rapi already took the first step in deciding based on the chapter 32.

[@ayumuaikawa]

you were spot on about rapi evolution, GJ

[@Jibril-yz3ed]

I know for fact that red hood is just screaming “I just killed her god dam it now she’s back god dam it”

[@9NoobTuber5]

Loving the lore videos! Cant wait for ShiftUp to drop more lore on us!

[@thomasthetanderloin]

Who is here after the second anniversary?

[@SAMTheKingslayer]

I have recently discovered your channel and I have to admit, this is gold.

[@TakenaShin]

@@SAMTheKingslayer thanks!

[@LOC-Ness]

Am I the only who’s been thinking about the possibility of Raptures being manmade and being covered up as being aliens to resolve any wrongdoing?

[@TakenaShin]

I'm also considering that possibility, and I already have a theory on who could be responsible for creating them if they are indeed man made. I'm just waiting for something solid to back it up before I share.

[@mysetlist2118]

They definitely are raptures and NIKKE parts are compatible just look at snow white and remember Lilith is the current queens predecessor and wants her body and it seems like Marian might be next queen.

[@hehuho890]

Big question is what is ENIKK. The one who judges the Ark and who is the rapture equivalent of ENIKK

[@mysetlist2118]

@@hehuho890 I think an AI that runs the Ark what that means I can’t remember or don’t know been awhile since I did a chapter with Enikk and apparently her sister is that AI in simulation whatever that mean.

[@alekgold18]

@@LOC-Ness I’m really hoping they don’t go down “humanity is also the bad guys” route as I hate those kind of stories and that they don’t need to to explain why the raptures are bad

[@lightningflash15]

Cinderella was the last member of Goddess before she got corrupted and she's the 2nd Grimm model after Lilith that's why she resembles Liliweiss face so much and also Lilith mention that Cinderella is way stronger than her in terms of arsenal and long range combat. Because she's the big 3 baby girl.

[@TakenaShin]

@@lightningflash15 being a Grimms/ fairy tale model doesn't explain their resemblance. Because Dorothy, Snow White, Rapunzel and Red Hood are also Grimms/ fairy tale models but they don't resemble Lilith's appearance. And as mentioned in Nihilister's bond story, a Nikke/ heretic's appearance is based on their ideal version of themselves envisioned in their minds. Through an unknown process. So they themselves are the only ones who can influence their appearance.

[@Kuro_Archive]

she's not the second grimms model, the second grimms model is dorothy, the first grimms model died because of flaws that were carried over and magnified from Lillith's production, who is not considered a grimms model, but a prototype for the grimms. There was an entire segment involving Lillith and the legendary commander tackling Lillith's guilt involving that situation. Cinderella would have been the last grimms model ever produced, so she would've been the sixth, seventh if the government managed to execute their plan to make Rose a grimms model.

[@lightningflash15]

@@Kuro_Archive It was said that Cinderella is the first of the 2nd generation Grimm Models I don't know where I read that. Rose and Scarlet are just experimental melee nikke right?

[@lightningflash15]

@@Kuro_Archive found it "Once known as "Cinderella" with a high-end weapon called "Glass Slippers", she was part of the second generation of the Grimms model, being the first of her kind."

[@Kuro_Archive]

@@lightningflash15 being part of the second generation doesn't make her the "2nd Grimm model after Lilith". The second Grimms model is Dorothy as stated in the event relics found in the command center from the red ash event. And yeah rose along with the rest of the melee squad were all experimental, however rose performed so greatly that the government tried to enact a plan to kill off the rest of the squad and make her into a grimms model. This never happened since rose killed their acting "commander" and everyone but scarlet died. Scarlet was not made into a grimms model

[@tieeeeen1994]

This is Snow White's interpretation. Everything in MOG is from Snow White's perspective. This is an important detail.

[@TakenaShin]

I think Mirror Mirror is the exception, because the cutscenes that Snow White made in MOG were her memories with the Goddess Squad members. Plus Mirror Mirror was labeled as "Unknown data" so I don't think that Snow White is the one who created this. I think that the one who entered this cutscene in MOG was "Einkk", because we know from the Secret Ending that she was inside MOG.

[@tieeeeen1994]

@@TakenaShin Rewatched it. Yeah there's unknown data indeed. This makes a lot of sense. I also totally forgot about Einkk. Good catch!

[@waffy_kun]

Funny I just recently finished chapter 32 and youtube decided to recommend this to me

[@alekgold18]

I think the “ideal form” you get from the Ark and Heretics is different as in the heretic form is a corrupted version of it, probably why Cinderella looks like Liliweiss but different

[@TakenaShin]

Yes, that would explain why the Mirror twisted Cindy's wish to help the Goddesses.

[@alekgold18]

@@TakenaShin also, are they called raptures in the biblical sense? Like the rapture that’s supposed to happen in the bible where people en mass go to heaven?

[@TakenaShin]

​@@alekgold18 Since there are many biblical references in the story, I think the likelihood of that being the case is very high.

[@Skullfiend]

Alright. Time to share my ideas. Hehe. I think that the commander is actually a clone of the Legendary commander. And he kinda retains some of his old memories, but not clearly, only subconsciously. Kinda like how you forget something, and years later, someone mentions it to you, and you get a sense of Deja vu? Basically that. Now, see how Grave only mentions a single mirror. Maybe the difference between becoming a Nikke, and a Heretic, is that for Nikkes, there's only one mirror. But for Heretics there are multiples, symbolizing the corruption scrambling their code around. It would bebinteresting if Nihillister was previously a Massive-production model that got her chance at individuality after suffering a lot, and that suffering becoming rage.

[@TakenaShin]

@@Skullfiend yeah I support the clone theory too, because it would explain a lot about the commander. Like the many similarities between him and LC, and Exia calling him a link to the past and the present. Because we know that Exia is investigating the commander's past, so maybe she uncovered something that she can't share to us just yet. I also think that Chatterbox may also be a clone because he shares some similarities with the LC too. I like your idea of Nikkes having only a single mirror, because that could mean that their mirror only reflects their ideal version of themselves. A mass produced nikke becoming a heretic is a really cool concept, if Nihilister isn't one then I hope shift up will do it in the future.

[@Skullfiend]

@@TakenaShin I like the idea of Nihilister being a Mass-produced model... It would actually explain her burning hatred of humans, her desire to go Scorched earth. If she was a weak model that was berated and treated badly... It would be understandabke that she would be so hateful.

[@Skullfiend]

@@TakenaShin Your idea of Chatterbox being a possible clone would also be interesting. Both working for opposite parties, with some similarities, but also being opposing sides of the same coin.

[@TakenaShin]

@@Skullfiend your theory about Nihilister really gets me even more excited to know more about her.

[@Skullfiend]

@@TakenaShin Always happy to talk. I do think she has a lot of potential of being a very deep character. She could just be pure Burning Hatred too, like Crow. But i think they should have more in store for her.

[@maciej3262]

@TakenaShin how you explain that during 1.5 Ani Chatterbox when interrogating Chime was saying that Nikke during corruption is totally aware of her situation but she can't react and just behaving the way corruption is commanding her? It make me feel like there are some inconsistencies in the stories and lore. Also I didn't watch second part of video because I am on Ch26 so didn't want to get spoiled, if there is explanation sorry for not taking it into consideration.

[@TakenaShin]

Thank you for telling what chapter you are on, I also don't want to spoil anything for you. Now this is how I understand it. We know that corruption is actually a code that's written into the NIMPH. So when a Nikke gets corrupted, what's actually being corrupted is their NIMPH not their mind/ brain. This is the reason why removing the NIMPH also removes their corruption. It also explains why the minds of corrupted nikkes (like Matis) are still perfectly intact after their NIMPHs has been removed. So I think it makes sense that a corrupted nikke is completely aware of what's happening around her. As for how the corruption code was able control their actions. We know that the NIMPH has the ability control the actions of the Nikke it's been implanted to, thanks to a line of code written into the NIMPH that focuses on Nikke behavior. A great example of this is when Diesel was trying to shoot Crow in chapter 24. Diesel was trying so hard to aim at Crow but she can't, because her NIMPH was preventing her. So my guess is that the corruption code works the same way as the behavior code, and the only difference is that the corruption code is much better at taking control over the action of the Nikke it corrupted. Because we know from Cecil that the behavior code can be easily influenced by the Nikke's personality. (I'm writting this while already feeling very sleepy, so I might edit this later.)

[@maciej3262]

​@@TakenaShin Thank you for detailed answer. If taking into account what you written and chatterbox explanation then i would interpret the scene with mirror and Cinderella as corruption manipulating not Cinderella but her NIMPH - so there are two 'personalities' in Cindarella - one is NIMPH manipulated to think that killing Nikkes and humans will help Goddesses and second s true Cinderella that is aware of this manipulation but cant do anything. Do you agree with this interpretation? I remember a scene with Crow, when she was taunting Diesel, saying to her that NIMPH is putting images into her head so that is why she couldn't kill her. This made me think that NIMPH is working more on Nikkes psychology than directly on her actions. Still i think that it's hard to explain different representation of corruption process in game and that those are just inconsistencies in narrative. Taking into consideration how big the game is and the amount of story pumped with each update there are probably different authors and they may worded some thing badly or even the translation could change the meanings. Well we will se in future updates where things will go.

[@TakenaShin]

@@maciej3262 I think you're onto something here. Because we know that Marian and Modernia are like two personalities in one body. So maybe Modernia is the personality in the NIMPH because it would explain why Marian was able to take back control after her NIMPH was removed. And it could also explain why Cinderalla was smiling at Red Hood at the end of their fight. Although Marian is obviously special, so it's also possible that her two personalities is something unique to her. As for the NIMPH I think it's both direct and psychological, because Diesel did fire her gun at Crow with full intent to take crow's life, but her bullets still landed at Crow's feet. Then after that is the scene you described, where Diesel suddenly starts to hesitate because the NIMPH is putting images in her mind. But yeah we'll just have to wait and see until we get a proper explanation in the future.

[@intrepido7221]

I don't remember what nikke was, but in the bond interaction a nikke ask the kumander what are you?, and one of the options is im a thing, something like that, don't remember the other option but it is there in the bond interactions, waiting to be readed.

[@intrepido7221]

There's also the mini stories of the outpost that also say something 4 the lore, but you need to have at least one copy of the nikke to activate those events.

[@TakenaShin]

@@intrepido7221 is it perhaps Exia? Because I remember that in one of her advises she asked us who we are exactly, and our possible answers are (1) we can tell her that we have an amnesia (120) or (2) we tell her that we are a new species (100).

[@intrepido7221]

@@TakenaShin maybe she is, but the text was different, maybe is another one or got changed, if I see it again I will take a picture of the text, in the option of the thing the chikikum is kinda hinting a type of clone, rapis bond story also give some inside about the kummanders, by the way the current event is a continuation of the bond story of milk.

[@TakenaShin]

@@intrepido7221 okay I'll also try to be on the lookout for interactions that similar to the one you are describing. And yes, I've also noticed that about the current event. Which is something that I really like about the event, because it did a great job of showing us just how much Milk has grown as a character.

[@intrepido7221]

@@TakenaShin it appear today, exias says, as the top hacker i've been digging 4 all sorts of secrets but when I searched your name I didn't come up with anything , just who exactly are you?, the options are I'm a new species neither human nor machine, the chikikum already knows what we don't, the other option is I don't remember, you have to help me remember my memory, is hard to read because I capture the text instead of the options separately, I choose I'm a new species and she says I'm to boring, lol, didn't pay attention to the rest and fail to capture it.

[@RaymsJohnivanPVillegas]

What about Sixo? 🤔🤔🤔

[@TakenaShin]

@@RaymsJohnivanPVillegas I have a theory about Sixo that I plan on turning into a video. I'm just waiting for a couple more info about her, hopefully we'll get some from the event's hard mode ending.

[@ramikpark8387]

Wait!? We have someone who does speculative lore videos for nikke? 😮

[@TakenaShin]

@@ramikpark8387 yes!

[@justnothing8692]

Mirror mirror on the wall who is prettiest nikke of them all.

[@XJosauceX]

So this is just a guess but Rapi is probably gonna get corrupted. And the commander and the rest of the squad is gonna have to save her with the vapous. Then bam shift up drops her banner lol

[@TakenaShin]

@@XJosauceX Rapi is actually immune to normal corruption because she doesn't a NIMPH. There is the other type of corruption that chatterbox used on Marian, but that one can't be fixed by using Vapaus. Now there is actually a potential SSR version for her in the later chapters, so we'll just have to wait. Because I think that shift up might release it once she recovers her lost memories.

[@MadeUpNoun]

so what your saying is that we are 100% getting an ssr rapi in the future when she chooses

[@TakenaShin]

@@MadeUpNoun yup and based on the lastest chapter, it might be happening soon.

[@fishtonk5506]

I feel like the commander being a male NIKKE is most probable with all of the near death experiences he has had. At this point, he should have been really lucky or his limbs and organs can be replaced.

[@miruneverdies]

Not strong enough even to be a mass-produced model. No. He's just empowered by the Vapaus to cling onto life long enough.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

I forget what the reasoning was, but I’m pretty sure the story in the early game explains why men aren’t capable of going through the Nikke creation process.

[@paulsteward9582]

Commander is male nikke....now you're pushing that a bit too far. Mustang probably is nikke since Tetra hasn't changed their CEO since the beginning. I think the reason why you're considering commander is nikke because he has been through a lot of physical traumas but it could be because his genes are different from the start. His blood type is top secret by Andersen, who is most likely to be very old and needs life support. That could be the reason why he still survives until today. If it's not because of physical trauma, idk. I would like to watch that video.

[@TakenaShin]

@@paulsteward9582 tbh I never really thought about it that deep when I added that part in the video. 😅 The reason I added it is because I thought: 'Why not?' Now the reason why I never considered what you just assumed, is because I was always under the assumption that the commander's survival is simply because of Rapi (and Marian) being overprotective. As well as the Ark's medical technology being much more advanced when compared to what we have in the real world. After all, our Nikkes are quick to administer first aid whenever the commander is hurt. But what you mentioned is an interesting theory, so I may take note of that in the future.