WHAT NEXT? I need your help…. // Sub

So what now? Having run a 2:39 marathon in the Montreal marathon, I want to reveal what my next big races are and discuss what I should do next. ‪@global-runner‬ #marathon #marathontraining #marathonrace #londonmarathontraining

[@timtrenholm3698]

At 50+, 2 marathons a year is enough wear and tear on the body. Throwing (2 marathons in 1!!!!) Comrades in there is a bad idea. You'd just be spreading yourself too thin. Figure out your #1 problem before the London block, and focus on it. And see what happens. Recover post London, reassess and attack the next weakness if you haven't fixed the first one. Maybe it's better intensity distribution so you can build up to 7days a week running. Maybe it's more top end speed. It sounds like you need a coach to really provide you a 2nd pair of eyes to objectively see what you need to change, and not just another coach with a system they try to force down your throat. Maybe it's switching to power based running, and HR for easy stuff. Maybe get testing done to get a clear LT1/LT2, so you potentially spend WAY less time in the dreaded grey zone. There are so many different ways to improve your running...the hard part is figuring out which gives you specifically the best bang for your limited number of high end running years before time starts to reign you in.

[@global-runner]

Identifying the weakness is key. I think it was lack of miles this time. I didn’t really get a big mileage block done. Maybe I have an autumn of speed followed by a winter of miles and then come out the other end firing for the marathon block? Thoughts?

[@timtrenholm3698]

@@global-runner A speed block on reduced mileage and more recovery into a heavy mileage block, where you do just enough to keep the speed might work well. Also, doing your marathon specific training at HM effort is my new training style. It makes workouts rough, but ideally race day is frustrating until 32k when I actually start to push.

[@global-runner]

Love this advice. Thank you. It makes a lot of sense!

[@mikeharding1016]

I think it’s important to enjoy what you are doing, the December marathon sounds like it would be a lot of fun. No idea on which one, but you should definitely do it, you sold it very well!

[@global-runner]

This is a great point. I’m really enjoying it! There’s no pressure on this one - but I think I’d like to continue the journey while the weather is so incredible. And Valencia would be so cool…

[@blainepenny7287]

December Marathon, go for it. You have the fitness and Montreal was more or less a hard training run for you. So pumped to hear you are planning London Marathon NYC. And Comrades 😮, let’s chat about that 🤔

[@global-runner]

Sound good!

[@gw4550]

Dec marathon is a no brainer. Love the vlogs sir 🙏🏽

[@global-runner]

Thank you!!!! I appreciate this a lot!

[@ericlambi]

December! CIM … you’ll have tons of people to run with, travel is easy. I did CIM last Dec then London, you’ll be able to do a full build for London still.

[@global-runner]

My only issue with CIM is that I’ve done it before. I don’t like going back to marathons I’ve done before if I can avoid it. (There are so many to do!)

[@wk633]

You'd also have to find a bib. It's sold out.

[@global-runner]

Dammit! Why are marathons so popular nowadays?! :)

[@ericlambi]

@@global-runner there’s a transfer system for CIM, it’d be relatively easy to get a bib. I understand you’d like to do different events, just CIM is probably your most likely chance to accomplish your goal if you don’t want to leave it until London.

[@global-runner]

You’re definitely right. And it’s definitely on the radar. I love all the possibilities!

[@teamhassan9686]

Get yourself on the waiting list for Valencia! You'll get a place. Don't waste those perfect conditions and opportunity to get that time before end of the year. You're in great shape! Valencia has an amazing route, perfect conditions and is very well organised and supported!

[@global-runner]

Even the waiting list is full! But the more I hear about Valencia, the more I want to do it!! :)

[@JPiazza791]

I think Tucson could be a really good option for you, especially since it's later in December. Also, I'm excited that you will run the NYC Marathon! I have run it 8x as it's my hometown marathon. Definitely hit me up with any questions about logistics 😃

[@global-runner]

Thanks!!!! I did it back in 2006. I’m excited to be going back

[@garyrelihan7773]

Definitely valencia if you can get in. Think you should build in a few more halves for 2025, work on getting the half time down and it will help your 2:30 goal. Look at some of the superhalves, berlin or Copenhagen. I ran 3:32 at berlin yesterday which was a PB but lots more in the tank, very crowded so was hard running but sub 3:30 soon I think. Looking forward to what's next, keep pushing!

[@global-runner]

Congrats on your time! That’s a great time and so close to sub 3:30. Such a great race to have run too!

[@ZanicL3]

2:15 Valencia but it's sold out for 2024, I'm rerunning it this year and hoping to break 2:35 (ran 2:40 last year). It's a beautiful course and the finish is special. The crowds are packed everywhere and I truly believe if you want a fast time you need to run a race where the crowds and other competitors will help you mentally push yourself

[@global-runner]

Valencia is now on my bucket list. This year might be tricky but everyone says it’s amazing. Good luck on your goal - that’s fast!

[@louisr34jones]

I'm 56 years old and I got back in shape doing a lot of different sports. But being heavy, my obsession with running will only be about doing a good 10k time. I don't need to do more, if I can run 10k in quite a decent time, I will be satisfied. It's all about morphology, to be a long distance runner, one has to be slim and light; it would be completely unrealistic for me (who weights 210 pounds) to contemplate performing at a marathon distance, so I don't even think about it. On the other hand, my upper body's weight and strenght, wich is a flaw when considering long distance running, serves me well in other sports (like crosscountry skiing, swimming, boxing and weight lifting). Anyway, I just want to stay in shape as long as possible, and I'm not afraid of working hard, but one has to find the right plan, the right balance for himself. Running a marathon is definitely not on my list.

[@global-runner]

Good for you! You’re 100% right. It’s all about finding what you enjoy and moving your body. Who was it that said if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will go through life thinking it’s a failure…? Thanks for your comment!

[@amitsrivastava5743]

Valencia is super fast, great weather and atmosphere, you will crush it!

[@global-runner]

Ah man the more i hear about this race, the more I want to do it!

[@moncefattia1071]

You seem to have bounced back from Montreal very nicely. CIM definitely a good, fast option and you can get bibs in November. I live in Houston and I would say that the Chevron Houston marathon is awesome. It is however mid Jan. Good luck buddy!

[@global-runner]

Thanks for the comment! Houston would be amazing and it’s on my list. But running through December is always limited fun. And it might be a bit too close to London for this year….

[@simonpgough]

What a spectacular place to run! Don't waste that, but maybe think about a half in December - focus on some slightly faster training and get a half in faster than goal marathon pace? Only just come across your channel and really loving your content and thoughts.

[@global-runner]

Thanks for joining!! A lot of people have made that suggestion - I’m starting to think an autumn of speed followed by a winter of miles might be the best approach…

[@bennywallis1527]

I'll be chasing this same dream in 2 years. Melbourne Marathon . I'm currently 48 obviously.. I think you'll go real close. It's just going to have to be a day with a few people around to help you get dragged along.

[@global-runner]

Good luck!!!! It’s a great goal. A real stretch one for me but like you say, if I get the right day, I think it’s possible…

[@asiaonthefly4494]

December in Valencia, if you can get in!!! Flat fast course with good weather. Where there’s a will, there’s a way!

[@global-runner]

I need to find a way! :)

[@shaunmann6036]

I’m doing London and NY… will defo have to meet up!!! 💪

[@global-runner]

Love it!! I’m there!

[@shaunmann6036]

@@global-runner do you know where you’ll be staying in London?

[@global-runner]

My sister lives beat London so I’ll probably stay with her

[@vaxxxx]

Valencia definetly. Perfect weather, super fast track, maybe you break the 2:30 already there!

[@global-runner]

Just need to find a bib now…! :)

[@sebastianserwin3416]

Before Montreal, you were a bit sick, so it had an impact on your marathon result. If you are feeling strong, then Valencia is your place for December. I will vote for Valencia as I am starting there too, so I am hoping for a handshake from my marathon mental mentor ;)

[@global-runner]

Thanks for the comment! It sounds like you’re going to have a great time in Valencia. If I can get a place on the start line then I’d be seriously tempted… A handshake would be great! :)

[@50Something]

I'm running the P'tit Train Du Nord Marathon on Sunday. It's a downhill linear crushed stone course with about 12 km of asphalt. About an hour North of Montreal with breathtaking views. It's worth checking out in the future.

[@global-runner]

Someone else mentioned that to me! I’d never heard of it but it sounds like a super fun one!

[@seekingUltraNick]

I’m registered to run CIM. I was going to defer to next year, but if you’ll be there I’d fly out in Dec! Plus that would open things up for me next year.

[@global-runner]

I’ll let you know! Valencia is definitely my number 1 choice because I’ve done CIM before and I never like going back (there are so many to do!). But I do like that idea…!

[@dsidney5121]

Based on hearing your joy and excitement regarding running during the autumn/Larch season, I think you already know what you want to do ;) December it is. Case Closed.

[@global-runner]

Ha ha. Decision made then. :)

[@LeeCook01]

Just an outsider looking in, it feels like your top end speed is your limiting factor for the sub 2.30. Have you considered really trying to hammer down your 5k and 10km times and then build a marathon block on top of that. Appreciate speed work carry’s with it extra injury risk. all the tapering and recovery for a marathon can sometimes end up hampering progress. Just my thoughts anyway mate :) I don’t know whether there places left but have you also considered Seville in February. Crazy amount of people all hitting times around 2.30, might help pull you along! London sounds hectic these days unless you have an elite start

[@global-runner]

Thanks for looking in! I appreciate the comment a lot! I do wonder if I should focus on speed or mileage next. My inclination was to do more miles because I come from a track background and I feel like I have basic speed but your comment really got me thinking. I put in my latest 5k time (16:22) and it gave me a 2:28 predicted marathon time. So I’m not sure if speed is the issue or if I just need to get fitter. Maybe both!! :) Appreciate any other thoughts you have. I love external views on this type of stuff

[@LeeCook01]

@@global-runner that’s why I love running there’s always more than one way to skin a cat and you’ve got to figure out what stimulus works for you…until it changes 😂 Sorry mate I didn’t really 16.20’s would bring you in at sub 2.30. I’m doing 5k in 15:40 and the thought of holding sub2.30 pace scares the hell out of me 😂 one thing for sure the faster you are the easier that pace is going to feel as long as it’s backed up with volume. It seems that’s how a lot of elites are structuring their builds these days although undoubtedly volume is key. I’d just be wary of doing too many marathons and it being too disruptive. That being said I’m just coming out of a long New Zealand winter and I know how hard it is without the dangle of a race goal in sight. And the winters here are super tame in comparison to where you are!

[@global-runner]

What you say is 100% correct. But it’s funny how some people can hold faster paces for longer. My friend has a 73 min half marathon PB and a 2:27 marathon PB. He started with ultras so finds fast paces difficult but can hold his top pace forever.

[@LeeCook01]

@@global-runner for sure mate, I guess it’s a case of just trying to identify where your weaker area is and doing a bit more in that area than you have in the past. Which isn’t easy when your clearly a solid runner in all areas and the margins are small. Looking forward to the next chapter, as a 41 year old it’s inspiring mate 🤝🤜

[@global-runner]

That’s right. I’ve got some ideas but really appreciate the external views from everyone!

[@michaelcoleman8762]

Hi I've been loving what you're doing as im in my late fortys and looking at getting back into running again having run at a fairly good level. I think what would be a good idea is to have a good cross country season as it always helped me to be stronger on the roads.

[@global-runner]

Thanks for your comment! I wish I could do XC. It would be the perfect solution. But there isn’t really a season here because it gets cold and snowy in a hurry…

[@aj-runner]

Houston is a fast course in January. CIM and Valencia are both legit as well. Best wishes to you.

[@global-runner]

Thank you! These are all definitely on the radar. I think Valencia is my top choice at the moment…

[@francisvaillancourt100]

Question for you… Are you on Strava? If not, you should consider it. You could follow the top marathon runners in our age group and make some comparisons. This might give you a clue on what to work on. It’s also fun to follow and encourage each other out. Just FYI, the russian guy has a total mileage of 5,787k this year and another top mararathon runner in our age group, Ken Rideout, has a total of 5,113. I have been following you for a while through your KZbin channel and if I would have to guess, I would say that the top two things preventing you from achieving your 2:30 goal would be your total yearly mileage (too low to achieve the 2h30 goal) and the fact that you’re doing too many marathons per year. The tapers associated with each and the weeks following are preventing you from achieving high yearly mileage. I might be wrong here Duncan but just sharing my perspective to help you out. I also understand that you want to do another marathon this year so consider maybe my advice for 2025 😊

[@global-runner]

I am on Strava under Global Runner. I don’t put every run on there but I do put the key ones. You’re 100% right on the mileage. I think I’ll end up with about 3000 km this year which is almost half those other guys. That is definitely something I need to rectify…

[@Simmo14a]

If you can get into Valencia for this year then definitely do it, did it last year and would highly recommend we had cool still conditions, amazing support and flat as a pancake 😎😎

[@global-runner]

The more I hear about this marathon, the more I think I HAVE to do it!

[@MusicChristo]

A runner friend of mine, age 55, ran Berlin in 2:35! A staggering good time!

[@global-runner]

That’s incredible! Congrats to him!! Please pass that on from me. He’s an inspiration!!

[@MusicChristo]

@@global-runner yeah, that's why I mentioned it, for both you, me and all others out there fighting their best. Age is just a number if you're working hard and wisely and build brick by brick, skipping no steps, heading for a sharper "you"!

[@global-runner]

Love it!!! Thanks for letting me know about him!

[@DanielKeam-George]

Pisa Marathon! Great marathon. Flat, fast, picturesque. Some urban miles, some rural miles. And not oversubscribed. I'd say go for the December marathon.✊

[@global-runner]

I’m so glad I put this video out! I’m getting so many good suggestions. I need to check out Pisa!

[@douglassackman5544]

lean in!

[@global-runner]

Ha ha!

[@DrProfX]

Valencia sounds good, too!

[@bcockton]

There is the Tucson Marathon, I think that's mid December. Also, there is a Marathon on the big Island of Hawaii that is negative downhill (Hawaii Bird Conservation Marathon).

[@global-runner]

Those are great suggestions! I’ve never really heard much about Tucson - I need to look into that one.

[@DrProfX]

I’ve been thinking more about it, and as much as I’d like to see you race CIM or Valencia, I think it’d be prudent to focus on training for London instead… given how ambitious your goal is, I don’t think it’s worth trying to rush into a marathon in December… give your body time to reset and get back to chasing sub 2:30 in London!

[@global-runner]

Thank you! I’m leaning towards an autumn of speed and a winter of miles…

[@wk633]

This is out there but the Jed Smith Ultra is one of the oldest ultras and has a marathon distance. Feb 1 in Sacramento. Very small low key.

[@global-runner]

One option is definitely to do some trail ultras to get some mileage under the belt. I’ll look into this one for sure.

[@ivanmanzur1197]

In my opinion; prepare sub 2:30 for London focusing your training in two things; running form and change your training plan, you spent to much time doing cross training because you have to much long runs into weeks, try introduce shorter runs daily and add more lactate threshold workouts; you have a huge aerobic base but your threshold zone probably is to short and doing more LT workouts is the key to maintain that effort to break 2:30.

[@global-runner]

These are great insights. Thanks! Some of the cross training was enforced. (Injury). If I was going to focus on London, I think I’d run a lot of miles at this stage and then focus on LT stuff in the new year. Thoughts on that?

[@ivanmanzur1197]

@@global-runner Yes; I saw that was for injured but if you go down into the week you’ll be fine; You can maintain easy runs but from now you can add LT workouts (remember that LT is an aerobic metabolic zone too) and from next year you can add some VO2max workouts to push your LT2 up. This is my aerobic base training: 24 weeks out to 20 weeks out Monday 10k Z1 to Z2 + strength training Tuesday: 10k Z2 Wednesday: 10k Z2 + 5x100 Thursday: 2k + 5 x 8’ @ HME (zone 4) R: 3’ + 2k Friday: 10k Z1 + strength training Saturday: Off (mobility workouts) Sunday: 24k Z2 on soft surface From 20 weeks out to 16 weeks out: Monday 10k Z1 to Z2 + strength training Tuesday: 2k + 4 x (1000 HME; R: 1000 @ 10” slower than HME) Wednesday: 10k Z2 + 5x100 Thursday: 2k + 5 x 8’ @ HME; R: 3’ + 2k Friday: 10k Z1 + strength training Saturday: Off (mobility workouts) Sunday: 24k Z2 on soft surface Week 16 to race (Specific training) I can sent you by mail; is an Excel training plan based on your time goal and automatically can add paces at each workout) created by my self according with a lactate threshold training. Let me know if you want it and bring me your email.

[@global-runner]

@@ivanmanzur1197 Thanks for your comment! I’d love to see that spreadsheet if you dont mind! [e-mail]

[@ivanmanzur1197]

@@global-runner Sent it!

[@global-runner]

Thank you.

[@DrProfX]

Surf City USA Marathon in Huntington Beach, Cali. is pretty flat and fast! It’s in early Feb… Other option is CIM in Dec!

[@MrRennieFrumpkin]

Just my two penneth, I think I’d focus on half’s/10K/5ks. Two marathons a year is a lot to absorb and as you say, sometimes they can take you out of training for a good few weeks. BTW. The trails out there look incredible! May be some trail races/XC races would be fun?

[@global-runner]

There’s a trail 50k in a couple of weeks that I have my eye on. The trails here are literally world class.

[@hibiru6868]

Were I in your situation, I would just run for enjoyment these months and do the race in April. Since you didn't achieve your goal recently it seems like there are some variables that you need to figure out. It could well be bad timing with the cold that you had, but racing again so soon doesn't seem to give you the necessary time to properly prepare. However, I am not a racer and not even a good recreational runner so what do I know :)

[@global-runner]

It’s a fair point! I appreciate the external perspective. It’s definitely a tough decision! (But an exciting one!)

[@shaunmann6036]

You asked to keep you posted how Berlin went! 2.40.11 which I’m happy with as it’s a PR but the race went wrong in many ways… but onto the next one! London 2025 💪 I’ll take inspiration and tips from your upcoming vlogs keep up the good work 👍👏

[@global-runner]

Great work! Can’t be upset with a PR. But man another 12 seconds and you’d have been 10 minutes faster! So arbitrary and yet so legitimate! But you definitely can’t be upset with a PR. Especially when there’s room for improvement. Great work!!

[@stun5866]

Definitely use all that fitness. Florence Marathon 24/11/24. Think of that post run pizza and vino 😅

[@global-runner]

Oooh now THAT’S a suggestion I could get on board with…. :)

[@JPiazza791]

@@global-runner I ran Florence in 2012 after NYC was cancelled and it was fantastic. I also agree that the post race pizza & vino was perfetto!

[@global-runner]

I’m really adding a decent number of marathons to my bucket list races!!

[@jeffmather5594]

if I were you I would probably not run a marathon in December, at least not as a target sub 2:30 attempt. I suppose you could give it a try while managing expectations. The injury risks would be the main concern. There's also the possibility of a fast half marathon (Houston?) or do an ultra somewhere just to keep base fitness high. April will come around quickly.

[@global-runner]

I’m glad you commented. Thank you. I knew you would give a good counter-balance. I do like the idea of an ultra or a fast half. If I did a marathon I think I’d use it to take a chunk of time off the 2:39 time without going all out. Maybe a 2:35 attempt to get some confidence…

[@jeffmather5594]

​@@global-runner sounds reasonable. You'd have around 12 weeks for CIM or Valencia so maybe just enough time. Would just need to keep going with the strength training and monitor the systems very closely. In the meantime enjoy the awesome weather. Looks beautiful there

[@global-runner]

Monitoring the systems is key. I think I’ll know in a week or so if the body will tolerate it.

[@r_unner_G]

You have to do Valencia. Is there ANYWAY you can get in to it? - there has to be. Contact the organiser.

[@global-runner]

Where there’s a will…. :)

[@ro-qi4sw]

May be a strange suggestion. If you feel fresh and you think you are in very good shape you can start 27 October 2024 at the Frankfurt Marathon and attack again the sub 2:30. Otherwise to bridge the race gap till April may be you can start not at Marathon race but at Half marathon or 25km races. All the best.

[@global-runner]

Frankfurt would be a good one. I hadn’t thought of that. I feel like I need a bit longer but I do like that suggestion. Yes maybe attacking that half marathon time is a decent start…

[@koks39.]

I would have said Valencia. They say it’s fast.. in Spain you have other options in December. For example Malaga dec 15th.

[@global-runner]

Spain seems to be calling to me…!! :)

[@MusicChristo]

@@global-runner Malaga ought to give you enough time for recovery. Maybe I should grant myself a pre X-mas gift myself. Spain in December compared to Canada or Norway is never wrong😅

[@global-runner]

Ha ha you’re right! Spain in December sounds WAY better!!

[@stephe999]

Another vote for CIM or Valencia. Ran a nice BQ at CIM jn ‘22 and going to Valencia on Dec. 1.

[@global-runner]

Lucky you!! Those are definitely the front runners!!!

[@andreimusat2767]

April. December seems hasty and an adrenaline based decision (in case you still want to go sub 2:30). If 2:30 is off the table, go for December :)

[@global-runner]

I think I would use December to hopefully take some time off the 2:39 and get me closer to the ultimate goal…

[@davidsotelo6239]

Definitely should take another crack at the marathon in Dec. Youve got the fitness; heart rate in montreal suggests something else was holding you back (illness)

[@global-runner]

I’m excited by whatever is next. I’m going to put the feelers out for Valencia.

[@sheldon59]

Valencia would be good, but getting in at this late stage would be a problem, plus the travel for you might not be ideal. I would concur with those who think a focus on half marathon/building speed ahead of London might be time better spent.

[@global-runner]

This is a decent point. I could do some track sessions and really work on speed until the snow arrives and then focus on lots of miles until January when I’d start the training block…

[@jsrunningfitness]

If possible do a cross country season, it’ll strengthen lower leg muscles and push your anaerobic capacity.

[@global-runner]

Great question. It doesn’t really exist in Canada - the snow is just round the corner so it’s not really a thing here like it is in the UK…

[@jsrunningfitness]

@@global-runner I did wonder how it worked in Canada with the extreme winters. I guess you have amazing trails during summer to make up for it. Muddy winters with 15mm spikes are a staple of UK running, no hiding place, all out racing in singlet, short shorts and sharp elbows, I can’t wait 😝

[@global-runner]

Ah man I miss those days! 9 miles of ankle-deep mud around parliament hill will put hairs on your chest alright!

[@vernonbell1628]

St. Jude Marathon in Memphis is in December.

[@global-runner]

I’ll look at that! I haven’t heard of that one! Thanks!

[@mikehobbs624]

Can you find a decent half or 10k? Looking at the last block, i was unsure if you had the speed for the sub 2.30, i wondered if you were still 1 block away from having a realistic chance? So maybe a dedicated speed block for the next 2 - 3 months before kicking into london marathon training could be the answer? Id be interested to see a video on your mobility and strength. Im 51 and try to do as much as possible, but am always interested in learning different things. Love the channel 👍

[@global-runner]

Thanks for these great comments! Maybe an autumn of speed followed by a winter of miles…? I can’t definitely do a video on those things - great idea!

[@mikehobbs624]

I reckon an autumn of speed would set you up for a fast spring marathon 🙂

[@roncraig3582]

I would skip it personally. I’m building up for Boston looking to achieve my fastest time yet. I’m going to do a build plan until early December then gonna hit my marathon plan hard late December and be ready to PB in April. My running life will be hyper focused on this A goal. Btw I’m not far from you. If you ever wanna do an easy run together or with our running group in Cochrane let me know. I hit up Canmore for some runs as well. Especially for marathon pace training on the Legacy trail

[@global-runner]

Oh yeah I’m in! What’s your Boston goal??

[@roncraig3582]

@@global-runner 2:55 so quite a bit slower than you. Which is why i said easy run lol.

[@global-runner]

That’s still fast!!! I’ll reach out when training starts ramping up again!

[@Nyelands]

Mix it up and do something else than a marathon. Maybe a duathlon. Who knows it might help you fix some weaknesses.

[@global-runner]

That’s a good suggestion. I might try some trail running and XC skiing if I don’t end up doing a marathon…

[@francisvaillancourt100]

Have you seen what happened this morning at the Berlin marathon? A world record if I'm not mistaken by a russian guy in our age group M50-54. He did it in 2:24:05 😂

[@global-runner]

I didn’t see that! Well that’s a target!!! That’s legit fast!!

[@ro-qi4sw]

The russian guy is already in the age group M55-59. incredible performance.

[@robidoo99]

@@ro-qi4sw They turned 55 a week before yesterday's race by the looks. Ran 2.24 at Berlin last year as well, also ran 2.25 Valencia while M50. Won his age group by 11 mins yesterday, narrowly beat the winners of the next two age groups down as well (same gun time as M50 winner but faster on the chip)

[@global-runner]

Incredible!!!

[@crayontom9687]

Chasing a time is a bad idea. As others have suggested, much better to do a speed block or have some focus other than a marathon for a while so you can come into the next block raring to go

[@global-runner]

I think if I did a marathon in December, I’d look for 2:35 as a goal. Just to take the top off the pressure and get closer to the ultimate goal. But equally, an autumn of speed followed by a winter of miles would also be a good approach…

[@shanegill5091]

Valencia marathon. Dec 1. I'll put an advisory 8 week programme together for you in the comments section of your next video. You can look over and see how it fits your own ideas.

[@global-runner]

I’d love that. But only if you have time. I do love hearing from people but only if it’s no bother…

[@shanegill5091]

@@global-runner Won't be a problem. If you do manage to find a December marathon you can view it as a 20 week programme including your previous 12 weeks done already.

[@global-runner]

That’s very true. I just need to see how the body holds up this next week or so…

[@richardwilliams7768]

How about the Malaga marathon Dec 15th?

[@global-runner]

Ooh that would be a good one. That wasn’t even on my radar!

[@kevinlynch2578]

Good race and city

[@richardwilliams7768]

@@global-runner I'm doing it as my first marathonaged 60. It's a stunning city, a lot of the course is alongside the Mediterranean and no hills. I think you'd love it!

[@angelantoniogarciaegido7534]

Diciembre is Valencia marathon i run this race 3 times and the course is fast with favorable finish, last 5 km are like low flying only. Im sure you can run sub 2:30 here ánimo

[@global-runner]

I’ve never been. But clearly I need a year is Spanish marathons. Valencia, Seville, Malaga…

[@saltairestridersjohncarr5k]

Houston Marathon. Not December but 19th January. Very flat. I'll be travelling over from the UK.

[@global-runner]

Apparently it’s a good one. My two concerns (1) I would have to train in -30 for a lot of the training block and (2) it’s a little too close to London. But maybe I’ll do the half?

[@saltairestridersjohncarr5k]

@@global-runner Yeah -30 is a problem! I'm doing London also. I was doing Osaka as well but didn't get in on the lottery, which is probably a good thing.

[@global-runner]

Yeah -30 is limited fun. I can promise you that. :)

[@nathancroswell4507]

Cant even believe thats a question. HONOLULU.

[@global-runner]

So this is a very good shout. Perfect time of year. Big race. What concerned me about this was the humidity and I’ve heard it’s not a fast course. Have you run it?

[@nathancroswell4507]

@@global-runner Its on the bucket list, its not a PB race but it will make your 2025 tracks feel easy! And hey, who needs an excuse to go to Hawaii.

[@global-runner]

You make an excellent point!!!! :)

[@stevejt1000]

My friend is 50 he just ran 2.40 in Berlin he'll be running in London, winning 50 year old in Berlin Kenyan guy in 2.24.

[@global-runner]

That’s great!! I’m hoping to line up next to him in London in that case! Maybe put him in touch with me? I’d love to hear from him!

[@JRJapaneserunnerinUK]

Valencia Or have you consider to do ultra marathon? For the marathon?

[@global-runner]

This is a great comment! I have! I’m looking around for some trail ones. Any thoughts? I have a local one in a couple of weeks I’m seriously considering…

[@JRJapaneserunnerinUK]

@@global-runner if you are interested in there is lake district 3 peaks challenge in UK!

[@global-runner]

The Lake District is amazing. Let me look that up…!

[@cathycronin2291]

San Sebastian end of November

[@global-runner]

I need to look into that one…

[@markcameron3]

Lanzarote marathon is at the beginning of December

[@global-runner]

Now THAT’S a good shout. Hadn’t thought of that one. Probably perfect weather too.

[@markcameron3]

@@global-runner I go there the day of the marathon so will miss it but if you go let me know, we'll be in Arrecife just up the road

[@global-runner]

Will do!

[@runnerfromhel]

I think you had it until the cold. Certain infections might affect your muscles, as you know of course. Your training works, but you just had bad luck. Unfortunately. London atmosphere will carry you on.

[@global-runner]

I think I can improve but you’re right. I don’t do too much wrong I don’t think…

[@runnerfromhel]

@@global-runner You said it. My guess is that your confidence about your own fitness is based on good experience and solid knowledge about training. London would be long enough to rest. A world major -that is even more exciting Right?

[@mikes5764]

Already lots of great comments given ☝️. I would also consider not running a marathon in December as an option, but focus on a series of 10Ks and, later om a HM instead, to increase running speed, strength and mental toughness.

[@global-runner]

Mental toughness is a great comment. I do sometimes wonder if I’m not tough enough. With a VO2 of 73 (according to my watch) should I be able to run faster? Maybe I need to learn how to hurt more.

[@mikes5764]

Yeah, but I think you can't trust VO2 max from Garmin as a race time predictor. Firstly, because it might be 5-10% wrong, and secondly, because two runners with the same VO2 max can perform differently because of different running efficiecy (see Daniels Running Formula). Garmin predicts my VO2 max as 59, which corresponds according to Daniels Running Formula with a marathon time of 2.46. However, based on my recent 10K time of 38.44, Daniels estimates my VO2 at 54. Which is 8,5% less then Garmin's prediction. This prediction based on recent 10K time I trust more. It corresponds with a predicted marathon time of (f. Daniels) 2.59, which I see as doable for me on a good day.

[@global-runner]

Yes I never fully trust the Garmin assessments on anything. But they are a good comparative guide. My most recent marathon had me at 73 for VO2 max.

[@mikes5764]

I also like to use it, not so much the exact number (though it looks nice) but to see if the VO2 max trend is going up in time. And tracking deep sleep and resting HR are also useful to me. VO2 max of 73 is mind blowing, it's associated with a 2.18 marathon by Daniels. "Only" 67 🙈 is needed for a time of 2.29. If you stay consistent, you build on what you already have, and I'm sure you will brake it next time 💪🏻!

[@global-runner]

Yes I agree. My vo2 max for Carmel was 71 and for Montreal was 73. So I knew that I was fitter comparatively. So here’s the real question - am I under-performing? Should I be running faster and is something else letting me down? Maybe I don’t know how to really suffer?

[@Gorm-c3u]

Valen… oh never mind

[@global-runner]

Ha ha! Brilliant. That made me laugh. /)

[@SergioSalgadoIbanez]

Or do it in January? Houston is Jan 19

[@global-runner]

I did have Houston in mind. That’s fast and flat. I think my preference would be December because training in December in calgary is limited fun but Houston is a possibility!

[@mythosthecat]

Forget a marathon before April - Do an Ultra instead!

[@global-runner]

A lot of people have said this. And it’s a great idea…

[@RaphaelIgrisianu]

Join Lee Grantham Iin Abu Dhabi.

[@global-runner]

That’s a long way from calgary!! :)

[@RaphaelIgrisianu]

@@global-runner ok. If south America isn't too far for you there's the Marathon Internațional Costa Pacifico, Chile , December 3rd. Work on speed "and" high mileage, both is best as you put it.

[@global-runner]

Oh wow. Chile sounds amazing. I’ll look at that. Good ideas for ONE year even if not this year…

[@rasher331]

You sound like you really want to do Valencia and I dont blame you. Why dont you give the race director a shout. Tell him about your channel and your achievement. They might do something for you or point you to a race number. There is a race ticket on marathon tours website but its very pricey, you have to pay for the accommodation and food as well as part of a package.

[@global-runner]

I think I do! It’s the exciting option definitely. I’ll see what I can do. Not sure the channel will get me very far but I’m going to see if the bulletin boards come up trumps.

[@thebullfighter6733]

Hamilton Ontario flat as a pancake. November race day. Hotels will be cheap.

[@global-runner]

I’d forgotten about Hamilton. That’s a good idea. I’ll look into that

[@lukegilchrist298]

@@global-runnerIt's a good race, but Nov. 3rd, probably too soon for you.. It's an out-back, out-back again, you'd have slower traffic at back end.. Philadelphia Nov. 24th, but doesn't sound especially flat.. good luck!

[@thebullfighter6733]

@@lukegilchrist298 true, but I was more leaning towards next year as he just ran Montreal. Montreal is a super difficult course, something flat would definitely work in his favour for the next attempt. Toronto is considered the faster of the two Ontario races, but Toronto is horribly organized and the downhill is brutal on the legs. I ran my BQ in Toronto and at 30ks we ran into the back end of the 5k race. So had to swerve through people walking. Hamilton seems to at least split the pack for the leaders.

[@global-runner]

I have two friends running Philadelphia but I’m not feeling it for some reason. Maybe a touch too soon…

[@lukegilchrist298]

@@thebullfighter6733 Oh no, I'm running Toronto Waterfront soon! Never considered how the downhill could be problematic, thx. How does Toronto's spring marathon compare?

[@applerunner1184]

1 yes 2 Honolulu!

[@global-runner]

Another vote for Honolulu. Have you run it before?

[@applerunner1184]

@@global-runner I am running it for the first time this year with my girlfriend. Hoping for sub 4 at 60!

[@global-runner]

Love that! Have fun! I hear it’s a great race!!

[@AnthonyZafiris]

Valencia

[@global-runner]

It DOES sound amazing…

[@SergioSalgadoIbanez]

CIM?

[@global-runner]

Good shout. I’ve done CIM and I prefer not to go back because there are so many to do! But CIM does seem like an obvious choice…

[@AJB_runs]

Valencia is flatter than a treadmill. Last year it was 5° Celsius & no wind. Other than a huge downhill cheating course you’ll struggle to find a faster race.

[@global-runner]

Flatter than a treadmill! Like it. This does sound like an incredible event…!

[@global-runner]

Flatter than a treadmill! Like it. This does sound like an incredible event…!

[@bettinapoulos7891]

🤔 ….two is plenty! Better to run two well than three so so ..

[@global-runner]

That’s a very good point…

[@MacGp100]

forget your age!

[@global-runner]

I’m reminded of it every morning when it takes me a minute to get moving properly! Ha

[@shaneofarrell3854]

It was not at all a deep race. You need a big city one with more quality. From a 2:38 48 year old.

[@global-runner]

Great running!!!! I think you’re right. London and NYC are the current plans for next year. Doesn’t get bigger than that!! :)

[@thuggoe]

vegas

[@global-runner]

I did Vegas a few years ago and it was super fun. It may be a tiny bit early for me though. Great suggestion though!!