What Nobody Saw in MGSV

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[@SilverWolf3862]

superb content as always if kojima manages to make me "holy shit" at something i didn't notice you manage to make me notice it and explain it too keep this up, you are passion driven and it shows

[@PythonSelkan]

Thank you so much for your kind comment! Much appreciated 😊🙏 - P&S

[@SilverWolf3862]

@@kjtj397 there is only so much you can "accidentally" have fall into place without some serious director skills you can be lucky once, maybe twice, but when you constantly deliver excellent products it's skill

[@PythonSelkan]

​@@kjtj397 ​ Venom being an unreliable narrator is a fact explained in the game itself. This protagonist experiences entire rooms and characters as hallucinations, as well as hears auditory hallucinations in the form of Cassette Tapes. Hypnagogia, which Ocelot says was used for his brainwashing, is known to cause these symptoms - let alone the shrapnel in his skull which is pressing on his optic nerve, thus effecting his visual cortex (all explained in the game). I think the fact that we never saw these kind of "mistakes" in previous Metal Gear games speaks for itself, and even so, we are only asking the audience for their interpretations here, not giving any conclusions 🙂 - P&S

[@arycorvette884]

​@@kjtj397 Game is. Amazing hold this 👉L

[@arycorvette884]

@@kjtj397 Glad you took the L 🤭

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

"Tell me what to do, like you used to.." is one of those meta moments early in the game that tells you Venom isn't the real Big Boss but the player proxy.

[@idontwant2beasoldiermama241]

That sounded gay af

[@johntrevy1]

I was fully expecting Kaz to go full "Of Mice and Men" on Snake.

[@DuckysMediaShowcase]

I mean he becomes Big Boss who’s also the player so a stand in for the person playing the game but he’s Big Boss just not The Big Boss

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

@@DuckysMediaShowcase *Big Boss stand-in for Spider-Man pointing meme*

[@AgernonTheUnfair]

What nobody saw in MGSV: - the real ending

[@carryingfire286]

Intentional IMO

[@BoopinSnakeBandito]

"You feel it too, don't you?"

[@leonrussell9607]

​@@carryingfire286 that makes it worse

[@idrisali3947]

they played us like a damn fiddle

[@sinnqcc]

​@@idrisali3947say it to Konami

[@JamesStocks]

As well as Paz's room having reversed textures: Her room is impossibly placed on the medical platform. If you look at her room and the corridor leading to it, then look at the platform building; her room would exist in thin air.

[@m.taylor7025]

Yes! I'm glad someone else noticed this...the number of steps between her door and the door out the front, means that door actually leads out to the metal grate you can get to from the roof

[@Liquid278]

Hideo’s games are some of the very few where I will believe there’s a rabbit hole over it being a “mistake”

[@Sentientmad9m]

I’ve been saying all along that the reason David hayter isn’t snake in phantom pain/ground zeroes is because it’s not actually snake

[@MXOY99]

I've been having that thought since GZ's first announcement.

[@Fenrirmolf]

But the actual Big Boss is also not voiced by Hayter in MGSV

[@InitialFailure]

​@@Fenrirmolfyea Kojima explicitly stated that he wanted an A-list actor.

[@danieldavis2055]

​@@Fenrirmolf- Another hallucination. Recall the two Ishmaels in the hospital.

[@nothingwrong2293]

Japanese voice actor for Big Boss haven't changed in V tho

[@tonylovesducks2501]

man did i miss those long analyze videos. i swear ive been a fan for years and i still cant get enough of this format. Love and peace to you guys

[@PythonSelkan]

Thank you so much for the kind comment! 😊🙏 - P&S

[@valeriansage]

In one of the sude missions of Ground Zeroes, when you grab the target of that mission, he will ask if you're one of the phantoms.

[@Italianchef26]

I immediately noticed the time discrepancy at Cyprus. It made no sense to me, they're in a hurry to escape, they don't know if they're still being followed (they are, the Man on Fire shows up at the site of the crashed ambulance when Venom wakes up) and they can't be sure they're safe when they reach the ship. The most logical plan would be to sail immediately, or at least hide on the ship. Ocelot going back and Big Boss waiting around for 3 hours makes little sense, especially when dealing with a supernatural opponent that could track you in ways that you can't even imagine. Another thing that annoyed me to no end was the yellow marker on the Mother Base for the Battle Gear in Huey's lab. It was a bug and I don't know if it was ever patched but it was so annoying, especially considering that the actual Battle Gear was scrapped from the game for "gameplay balance reasons" aka, they had to cut it because of time/money constraints (just like the base customization). There's no way anyone actually cared about the gameplay balance, there's a million OP items in the game

[@joshuanickles8512]

I will never not be pissed about Battle Gear and how they massacred muh boy. God damn. All I wanted was to pilot Battle Gear.

[@gman2570]

There in a hurry to get big boss to a safe house not escape. Oceleot needs to get BB some where safe so that he can grab Venom and use him to get the attention on them and away from where ever BB is hiding. Also it makes sense to wait a few hours while the heat dies down after the commotion at the hospital. And Ocelot could be picking venoms brain to figure out how much the hypno therapy worked.

[@jullianpree6791]

Atfer playing all the mgs series and watching the story unfold over 20 years. The level of detail is astounding and i can't imagine that all these circumstances were "mistakes"

[@SaintedPIacebo]

Per the containers with diamond dogs on them, it has to be purposeful. With the eventual pitting of ocelot and liquid vs miller and solid it would only make sense that miller was playing multiple sides at the same time during the diamond dog days, and the straw that broke things from being his friend that he wanted to be as loyal as he could to, while still giving himself insurance with cypher/zero was thrown away into more anger with the betrayal of not being let in on BB's plans post coma. I think it was a very subtle yet obvious way of shouting "HEY SOMEONE ON DD IS DOING A SNEAKY". I think all of the other hints that snake isnt really snake also points to venom being in a dream like, trance state from his hypnotherapy. He can be completely hypnotized, but his subconscious still sees himself as real when what would be the corner of his eye sees his shadow and reflection in the chopper. Replaying through the game makes you notice more and more of these hints stacked on top of each other. i think it was VERY intentional that Venom and by extension the player is seeing things both as Venom is hypnotized to see but also how he would see if he wasnt at the same time. The Paz story/knowledge inconsistency is exactly the kind of thing that i think is a hint to the player that Venom is experiencing and knowing what he was hyponotized to. I would dare say that any inconsistency from PW to GZ/TPP would conveniently be advantageous for Venom to be a 'good soldier' instead of a disheartened one.

[@albinostatue3764]

Has no one else noticed how the first time we are shown Venom's face as Big Boss before character customisation, his right eye is clouded over. Big Boss lost his eye when it was shot by Ocelot when Snake stopped him from shooting EVA. If that were the real Big Boss, he wouldn't have a right eye at all.

[@abx_yenway]

All of the mirrored text and reversed imagery really recontextualizes the mirror being smashed at the end.

[@SynnekoNya]

One thing I will never doubt is Kojima, and when it comes to Kojima, ANYTHING can be hidden in plain sight.

[@Namos-zh5ci]

I think the fliped text in the poster is because of the XOF

[@Oishimaru]

Oh this is why they changed voice actor for both Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain! That makes a lot of sense

[@FryJayPhilip]

Man I love these analyses... I never would have noticed that those 2 doors sound different.... damn bro

[@Spartanlyra]

these "mistakes" are too obvious for kojima to make, he is very perfectionist and wants details. these are there by choice.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

There is no such thing as a coincidence, or "accident."

[@iroquoisfox1579]

Very true 👍

[@donjon-n7]

Remember that this game had development complications thanks to konami though. And in any game some details might fall through cracks

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

@@donjon-n7 The unintended consequences from hanging plot threads of an unfinished story are just another phantom pain.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Kojima is still only human

[@benjiheer]

I think ground zeroes was actually just the brainwashing. Kinda how raiden goes through vr missions to copy snake

[@JeffIndigo]

I think for the shadow topic that when we are playing Ground Zeroes, we are playing it in the form of the memory manipulation from Venom's point of view. His recollection from an event that's already passed. Hence why Miller's story of Paz doesn't line up and the shadows of "Snake" in both games are the same resembling the avatar/player's character. Makes sense to me; I could be wrong.

[@rhiannon1170]

Amazing video! 🥰 I always thought that the containers were stolen from Mother Base by Skullface (or a pmc used by Skull face) as a reference to the online element of the game.. but then deliberately placed there so that Venom can see how close Skullface has always been to him? So it's a way to mock Venom, but also baby Mantis is there, can we trust anything we see? 👀 I love your idea of Kaz being involved too, it makes a lot of sense! Kaz seems to have been interrogated viciously and for a long time when Venom actually finds him, and I think Kaz has been moved repeatedly according to Ocelot (I'm not sure though). Kaz would have died from blood loss without immediate medical intervention during and after interrogation, and moving him in that state is perilous too? The mgs2 clips reminded me of everyone saying that Olga's child was male, and that female Sonny was a retcon. However Olga never says the gender of her child, she always say 'my child' or baby. She never even held her child 🥺 and gets photos sent once a month via Network (which makes sense as it is also how she receives orders). We don't see any of these photos but the child could easily and probably be dressed in neutral clothing. So Olga may never have known she had a daughter. It's actually Solid Snake at the end of mgs2 that first says 'he'. Even Raiden only says 'he' after Snake does? It could easily be a translation error or something leftover from the original script, I know that a lot of languages indicate gender differently, BUT I do think it could be that Snake has already heard from Otacon about information they recovered from GW and Sonny is referred to as 'he' in the data. Snake puts a tracker on Ocelot's Ray and then a lot of time passes before he seems to meet Raiden again. Also NO ONE is really looking at the massive destruction caused by Arsenal during that scene!? I know it's a way of talking to the player, but I think maybe Raiden is still struggling to put together everything that has just happened? Not unlike Venom struggling in mgs5? But I'm not sure. Even if there is a mistake or a retcon, because everything is done so well and because the team are so talented, I think they could easily use it as an opportunity to make an even more interesting story, which is awesome! But I completely agree the details in this video are deliberate, and absolutely fascinating! I always remember being so confused by the door sounds! I wonder if Zero recovers Venom (but not Big Boss), and moves him to another hospital at some point, and that's when we hear the audio of Zero? Before Venom is recovered and the beginning of mgs5 happens. Because Big Boss's injuries are completely different to Venom, he may have recovered and woken slightly earlier than Venom. Also for safety reasons keeping Venom and Big Boss separate makes more sense. That might be why we have the audio, did Ocelot or Eva put a listening device on Venom? Is that how Ocelot recovers the body on the river in mgs4 so easily, because he knows its a trick that Eva has done before? Thank you for the awesome video! 😊❤️

[@erictacti6908]

Very intriguing! All we need, now, is for the Man himself (Mr. Kojima) to make a follow up video, confirming your theories. Can you imagine? That would be insanely awesome!

[@detailsman5182]

Or maybe venom never woke up..

[@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures]

Make a video. Not a joke.

[@ffx5846]

I'm prety sure that in MGS4 EVA says to Snake that Naomi USED Frank to kill Dr. Clarke so that would match the timeline in mgsV

[@mgiebus1869]

Feel like I'm watching unsolved mysteries from back in the 90's. I dig it

[@AAAJOEY]

Another layer to this is that MGSV takes place in the past, while the mirror scene during the Outer Heaven Uprising and the playing of Big Boss's tape book ends the beginning and ending in the game's present day. That means everything that we see in MGSV is Venom's memory and therefor isn't reliable. The entire timeline of events could be wrong as far as we know. Even in present day, Venom is hallucinating changes in his reflection. Audio tapes may also be used in V's hypnogogic brain washing to implant memories, and the same may be true for Big Boss's tape. Basically you can't trust anything you see in MGSV.

[@PythonSelkan]

👏👏

[@collegebro85]

This is true, Paz’s tapes were never real to begin with, and despite both being in the room when she first showed up…neither mentions her ever again! Nothing we see or hear could be real!! It’s like what Dumbledore tells Harry Potter, “of course it is all happening in your head, but why should that mean it’s not real?” 🤔

[@DriftJunkie]

Ever since I've learned about the creator of MGS, Hideo Kojima, and the fact it is source is a Japanese writing translated to English, my focus shifted to trying to understand the game in it's original writing. The basic idea of which Kojima is trying to warn us, is the "Keep your eyes on Kazuhira", in original meaning "Be mindful what is happening in peace". With the MGS series being an anti-war propaganda, this makes me think how the actions during our current, quite peaceful era, will lead to another global conflict.

[@SmiFF_]

24:27 ... this is a case for Mulder and Scully indeed ;)

[@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr]

Despite its flaws, MGSV is one of the best games ever. And as you have pointed out, many of the supposed "flaws" or plot-holes in the game are ambiguous in nature, on further inspection they may actually be intentional. This ambiguity contributes to the depth of the mystery threaded through every single element of the game. Thank you PythonSelkan for enriching my experience with this fantastic game from Ground Zeroes onward. As a side note, I've asked in a different post but I'm copypasting here in hopes that you'll respond. Help me out PythonSelkan! Here goes: PythonSelkan, have you guys looked into the Dark City (1998) connection to MGSV in any of your videos? As far as I'm concerned, the casting of Kiefer Sutherland as the voice of Big Boss is a direct reference to Dark City, as the psychological themes of the movie and the game overlap very intricately. Themes include: body snatching, memory/identity insertion, the imposition of massive orchestrated false reality for the purpose of researching human nature (MGS2 theme), brain injury leading to perceptual distortion (of the Sutherland characters in both Dark City and MGSV), and more! I think this link implies a much more sinister role played by Big Boss in MGSV than is apparent on a surface level, because the Sutherland character in Dark City is a master in memory manipulation and psychological control. Kojima himself being apparently fascinated with the theme of "identity duplexing," false identities, and parallel realities, it seems pretty improbable to me that it's not intended. I also think (personal headcanon) that we never see the real Big Boss during MGSV and that's why he has another man's voice. Maybe I just really, really want to see a return of David Hayter. If you haven't looked at this link, consider this comment free intel. If you've covered this in a video I would appreciate a link to that video for my own research.

[@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr]

Also, the Stand By Me connection. I'll leave it to you guys to figure out how that one lines up, it's pretty obvious. Very powerful thematic and archetypal layering, Kojima is an absolute genius.

[@realmdma]

Btw, Sutherland’s character isn’t the one that suffered a head/brain injury in Dark City, that was Rufus Sewell’s character.

[@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr]

@@realmdma There's a scene where they reveal that the doctor had his brains scrambled by the Strangers, and it's implied that it's the cause of his hobbling and stammering. I watched the Director's Cut, maybe it's not in the original cut.

[@realmdma]

@@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr you might be right, I think it is the Directors cut

[@phate2680]

Avi Arad is the person who suggested Kiefer when Hideo was asking him for his opinion on a replacement.

[@multipleman910]

Im convinced Ground Zeroes Big Boss is the real Boss. Why? Because his animations are different than those in the Phantom Pain. In particular the way he moves his body while in the crouching position. The real Big Boss uses his whole upper torso to redistribute his weight while turning in the sneaking position (it looks really good and must require crazy strength if you think about it). “Big Boss” in the Phantom Pain does not move in this way. No upper torso movement at all while sneaking.

[@lokouba]

arent you forgetting the fact Venom Snake has a prosthetic arm

[@MamoMark]

It could just be tweaks made to MGSV because of the development gap. I noticed a fair bit of changed animations or tweaks made from GZ to TPP and they don't seem narrative related.

[@multipleman910]

@@MamoMark Tweaks to make his sneaking animation worse?.. Hideo is not that kind of guy.

[@josephflannery9015]

… I mean yeah. He goes into the coma AFTER GZ. The heli crash is what causes it. Not that hard to figure out if you played the game…

[@multipleman910]

@@josephflannery9015 if you’re talking to me.. I put over 500 hours into the GZ & Phantom Pain combined.

[@CRT-PHOENIX]

Every new video about MGSV makes me hope to learn something new. Thank you so much for pointing out "flaws" that are completely new to me. I remember discussing with friends back in the day how detailed some of those casette recordings really sounded like. Actually mixed in surround if I'm not mistaken. I always maintained that those "Truth" tapes should've been full-fledged cutscenes, but that detail about the door just made me change my mind. Yet another layer that adds to the mystery of MGSV. Still to this day, my favourite game ever made. And with all it's shenanigans, no single game captures the emptiness of Afghanistan as well as this game did to me. Keep up the good work.

[@theq80gamer]

9 years almost over. Will the story continue, I wonder?

[@ericc2129]

Seeing a PythonSelkan video (and especially one over 30 minutes) really makes my day. These videos are awesome. Keep up the great work guys.

[@PythonSelkan]

Thank you so much! 😊🙏 - P&S

[@paraphaseentertainment9549]

30:06 is perfection🤘 Thank you for another great video🙏🏼

[@elderrusty541]

If I could change one thing about V, would be that when you finally hear the tape from Big Boss and see him and Ocelot’s secret meeting, David Hayter would’ve been the voice, GZ was Venom’s memory of the event like you said

[@jportillo1807]

For the sync shot, during my first couple play throughs, he did shoot the guy he was supposed to when I shot mine. But now I’m on my third or fourth play through, and he doesn’t do it anymore, so I think it might be a glitch. Unless he was never supposed to shoot, and the real glitch was him shooting the other guy all along. 😂

[@solidbhatt]

Dude your passion for metal gear inspires me

[@KirillStepanovich1]

Imagine David Hayter returns as Big Boss/Solid Snake in MGS6 and all the details PythonSelkan has theorised are confirmed and explained in the upcoming game...or Konami could just throw away Kojima's work and give us a mediocre sequel

[@dankestsquad26]

That would be awesome

[@DarkShadow-pe6ud]

@@dankestsquad26 which part, the first part or the mediocre sequel part? 😂

[@ahabrawgaming1289]

I think kiefer sutherland nailed Big Boss voice. Solid snake and young big boss should have David hayter voice for sure

[@jrtien]

Punished Venom snake is not Solid Snake or Naked Snake. Why would you want anyone other than David Hayter to voice these characters? This comment really irritates me.

[@KaitouKaiju]

​@@jrtien Kiefer voiced Big Boss in Ground zeroes

[@sonofasob1]

Like the video. Maybe you could do a similar video A mysteries of MGSV you dont even have solid ideas about

[@idrisali3947]

you missed the diamond dog logo switching to outer heaven in the ending when venom/demon punches his reflection in the mirror when listening to the cassette tape

[@MisterRose90]

God. I’ve got to play this game again.

[@Dara-de1nq]

I think that the containers at OKB Zero were there because of Huey sending materials and being a sellout.

[@ariessalazar2940]

u know?you kept me waiting this long video pythonselkan...keep it up...

[@justnick7691]

For the inverted "Diamond Dogs" reflective imagery is everywhere in the game. Whether it's character looking at each other, to Kaz talking about Cypher being the one above and how Kaz was the parasite below. Even in your helicopter you can see numbers and text are reflected... you can also see Venom in the reflection of the window you're sitting next to at night

[@Nicojk01]

I loved all those details relating to the story being explained in such details, great content guys, thanks!

[@Knifegash]

i like the easter egg of that guy whose face that gets pressed against the curtain of the gurney is actually a facescan of DSP

[@biz0586]

What if Psycho Mantis and Ocelot were in charge of brainwashing Venom? Psycho Mantis constantly appears and disappear through out the whole game. It’s no coincidence that both were at Shadow Mosses. Perhaps, psycho mantis was with us for a big portion of the game, while invisible. The Chico rescue scene always convince me we weren’t Big Boss. Maybe Psycho Mantis hypnotized Chico to see us as Big Boss. Unlike Kaz, Chico fought a little. Kaz being legally blind kept him from seeing he wasn’t Big Boss. MSF lost soldiers ran away in the side missions like Chico tried to do. Or Psycho Mantis has been with us this whole time influencing what we and others see. How exactly did Psycho Mantis get into the chopper with kid Liquid? Did a real explosion destroy the elevator and not Volgin inferno reincarnation? We didn’t kill Psycho Mantis at all in MSG V. At Shadow Mosses, he died. Perhaps Psycho Mantis act as an invisible wall to guide us through the whole story. If it was his goal to kill Venom, then surely he could’ve done just that at our weakest state at the hospital. Hypnosis and telekinesis Volgin attacks used to traumatize Snake’s fake memories to get us on track. Basically, Venom was a puppet on the strings the whole time.

[@MemoriesLP]

I dont remember the details, but he follows a specific emotion I dont remember. He makes a flaming whale appear, that was because he connected to Venom (he has horns on his head). At the fight against Man on Fire, Man on Fire freezes, thats because Mantis stops controling him and starts to check on the kid that is suffering on the bed. So I dont think he is guiding us. He connects with people constantly through the game. You know who he is connected to by checking the deatails on his body. Venom is a horn and Man on Fire a flame. I think theres more but I checked this out years ago and I dont remember.

[@gman2570]

​@@MemoriesLP Revenge is what draws Mantis in and connects him to people. Every person he connects with has a burring need for revenge MoF against BB, Shabani when hes dying in the devils house, Venom when he regains conciseness and remembers what happened 9 years ago, SkullFace and his hate for the people that took his identity, and Eli for his hate of BB and the people that would take his and the kids freedom away

[@smithysforge5309]

So i know this video is a year old so I'm behind the 8ball. But the idea that Ground Zeros is reliving the mission from a hypnotic memory could also explain David Hayter not voicing Snake. Because he'd be remembering from his perspective

[@rustyfisher2081]

I like how the title is "What Nobody Saw in MGSV" and the thumbnail is Big Boss wearing night vision goggles. That's funny

[@windhelmguard5295]

one more thing to clue you into venom snake not being big boss is that big boss has a blind spot on the right side of the screen when you enter first person after he loses his right eye during operation snake eater, this is not featured when you enter first person as venom snake.

[@cFull_Rtrd]

XOF shoots a guy in the head in the hospital when you are underneath the bed witnessing it right in front of you but the entry wound ends up on the opposite side of the head. (side of his head that was facing the ground)

[@ZonnexNecton]

There is an interesting theory that in Ground Zeroes we were not playing as Big Boss, but playing as one of the Peace Walker soldier in their final test. That test was to see who can be the next Big Boss and worthy enough to share his ways so that the real Big Boss can operate another in location. While that Soldier passed the mission and saved both Paz and Chico, all went to smoke because of Huey’s betrayal. To clarify, Miller was communicating from his base, while Big Boss was in the helicopter. He was there to see what his loyal soldier can do, and if it fails he would have to go in himself. Thankfully that didn’t happen for the new Snake, who’s code was Venom. The MSF Soldiers had done extensive testing, and the worthiness will take the mantle as the second Big Boss, to become his eyes and ears and brains as well. We as the players played as Big Boss in Ground Zeroes, but the truth was that it was Venom Snake that infiltrating the mission as a final test in a real scenario. That being to save Paz and Chico. There are no second chances obviously. If they had included the Revelation mission in Phantom Pain that takes place at the Omega Camp, then that would have definitely confirmed that theory. Which in theory makes more sense on Kaz’s contradiction about Paz. He was talking to Venom, and Venom has zero idea that Kaz knew all along. Venom just knew that Paz betrayed the MSF and Kaz seemed to want to remind Venom to watch his back when finding Paz.

[@RzeTon]

​@PythonSelkan needs to make a video about that

[@KaitouKaiju]

But he hadn't gotten the surgery at that point so why did he look like BB?

[@ZonnexNecton]

@@KaitouKaiju Short answer: Big Boss never got the surgery, while Venom did the second he woke up. Long answer: For nine years, both Venom and Big Boss were in a coma. During the duration of the time, a plan was set in motion for Big Boss and thus Ocelot took over the operation. During those times, and who knows how many had betrayed and forced to move the two to another safe location, Venom Snake was under a hypnotherapy during his coma and had him believe he was Snake should the chance he wakes up. In reality, the idea of hypnotherapy is quite scary real during wartimes having someone’s mentally believing to be someone else. This idea was implanted in the game. Back to the surgery, the surgery in the truth side is that Venom had undergone a plastic surgery since he woke up (he woke up when the words ‘V came to’ comes into play; the words to trigger his hypnotic state). Since his awakening, they had already performed the surgery on Venom, and his mind was believed to be the real deal. In a way, a mind can be a mystery and tricks you in ways you could not even comprehend. A lot scarier to think about it especially when you won’t know it except through vast of confusion. To make matters worse, the shrapnel on his head does more damage as well. Dude is severely handicapped mentally, and yet remarkably this fake Big Boss survived so long and even became the legend himself. We, as the players, are experiencing Venom’s mentality first hand. His confusion and such especially his “encounter” with Paz but all of that never happened. Thankfully Ocelot was keeping a close eye on Venom. Thinking about it, Venom Snake is the most tragic and interesting MSF soldier ever and sadly he won’t be remembered at all. So what about Big Boss? As players, we are to believe Big Boss has his identity change, but in reality he only shaved his face, and his eye replaced with a prosthetic fake one (since he lost one back in Snake Eater). He joined Foxhound under a different name (possibly Venom’s real name) and later purposely calls himself Big Boss so Solid Snake would immediately recognize the fake Big Boss. The reality of Big Boss’s purpose was that he knew Snake was an inferior clone developed by the Patriots and the mission would prove too difficult for him to pass. Unbeknownst to Big Boss, Solid Snake actually destroyed Outer Heaven Uprising with Venom and former Diamond Dog soldiers among the casualty, which forced Big Boss into hiding to Zanzibar. And you knew what happened after. Also here is an interesting theory: the conversation between Ocelot and Kaz about Big Boss’s plans happened when Kaz was rescued. During the game, while they were contacting, you can also witness their disagreements and arguments. Afterwards, Kaz eventually left them before being recruited by Foxhound after “Big Boss’s death”. He knew full well Big Boss is alive and would train Solid like he promised himself before so he can destroy Big Boss once and for all. Which is rich since Kaz had betrayed Big Boss’s trust back then. Big Boss had enough with traitors left and right. His true pals were Eva, Ocelot, Dr. Madner, Naomi, and Frank. Speaking of Dr. Madner, there is another theory that I would like to discuss another time which involves his rival: Dr. Clark.

[@SaintedPIacebo]

@@KaitouKaiju Possibly because GZ was played through the memory of a person that had their memories already manipulated. its a prologue to the game but chronologically we experienced the memory of it after the body double had already had therapy and changed/implanted the memory of GZ.

[@WoundedSnake]

Keeping MGS community alive till delta comes up, love your videos

[@ForeverDansky]

Great job! Love these analysis videos! 😎

[@PythonSelkan]

Thank you so much! 😊🙏 - P&S

[@Duckie-pn6uq]

Not sure if im ready for the emotional trauma of #2 again. Got teary just watching this video.

[@NFLJose05]

Awesome analysis as usual @pythonselkan some of these theories I didn’t even think of or didn’t see what you see so great angles of what can be the story. I noticed you didn’t mention in the kaz theory of working with skull face as his voice is heard saying “give her the shot already!!” In ground zeroes paz torture tape. I knew miller was a traitorous slimebag since peace walker so it makes perfect sense him working with skull face since before the original mother base goes down in ground zeroes

[@BigCheeZe209]

Mannnnn I love this channel. You are amazing at catching the details sir.

[@thatvideogamesshow]

Always love a new Python video!

[@allenplant1702]

The title is right in my case! I totally missed most of those details, great observations!

[@shaunnathanson6905]

This is amazing this channel thank you I like the fact about the diamond dogs logo on the xfo base what the hell were they doing there?

[@YmirFritz47]

Love this video since I watched this years ago when I was not able to play MGS Ground Zero & MGSV.

[@Rebel101]

That theory could also explain why Kiefer Sutherland was chosen instead of David

[@snakev1082]

I just want to add that the mission selection in ground zeroes looks like a slideshow It's like you're selecting a memory :)

[@warrenblair8746]

Great channel. MGS fan since 1998. New subbed ❤

[@PythonSelkan]

Thank you so much! 😊🙏 - P&S

[@user-rx3uq9fs2m]

the more i watch these videos the more i get confused

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

Kojima is a mad genius I love his games

[@Nostalgic_Gaming_]

If the boss has his snake stitch then I would believe it ,canon or not I would like to believe he did get the scar resemblance of his mentor. Venom doesn’t have the same scar just tears everywhere else from the explosion.

[@ExplosivePowder]

Regarding number 7 (17:18) What if there is another layer to the revelation that we are not the real Big Boss, what if due to Venom's shrapnel/horn, he physically sees himself as Big Boss (As he believes he is), but everyone else still sees him as the Medic but just acts like he is Big Boss. It would also explain the shadows, since in the real world, his appearence was always the Medic's appearence, and not Big Boss. So basically, during the whole game our true appearence was that of the Medic, but due to hallucination, we see Big Boss instead. Great video as always!

[@KaitouKaiju]

That would contradict Metal Gear 1 where Solid Snake and the rest of Foxhound most definitely know and recognize Big Boss since the real one is their leader

[@MartynJamieson9]

I think the flaws are intentional as Kojima think's unlike any other game developer so he would have noticed them if they weren't intentional

[@fundane2646]

For the one about the hospital and the automatic doors, I feel like venom was placed in the military hospital in Cyprus while big boss was taken to a safer secret hospital (such as the one run by the patriots). If you think about it why would they risk the best soldier in the world getting killed in some random hospital, and to further add on to that if something did end up happening at that hospital (like XOF raiding the military hospital) it’d make sense to have his body double there to make it seem like he escaped (to take the heat off the real big boss). With Ishmael possibly being a hallucination in the entire hospital scene it’d make even more sense, having venom think big boss was there guiding him to even further cover up his tracks of not even being at the hospital, which seems a bit extra but do keep in mind that they pretty much gaslit tf out of a former medic and everyone around him that he was big boss. That’s just my personal theory of the entire hospital thing

[@SummerCroc]

Here's another inconstistency: I was playing the side-op where you have to extract the AI pod from Huey's lab and I headed to the building where we find him in Hellbound. To my surprise the pod was not there and at first I thought it was a glitch. I was on my way to leave the area and come back when I decided to check the other building you can enter in(the one at the center of the base,it has the same doors as the one from the Hellbound mission) and I was shocked to find Emmerich's lab and the AI pod in this second building at the center of the base. Also, I interrogated some soldiers upon entering the base and none of them pointed the location of the pod which is weird since in all of the missions (both main and side-ops) the enemies will always tell you where your objective/target is unless you already have it marked using the Int-scope or by a buddy. I don't think it was the soviets who moved the lab from one building to another while bothering to keep almost the same exact placements of the objects,furniture etc. what would be the point? This made me think this was intentionally done to mess with the player since I don't think the devs never noticed Huey's lab being in a different location during this side op. In all of my years playing this game I never noticed this and I believe it is also due to the fact that you cannot replay story side ops (like visit Quiet etc.). Edit: grammar

[@LateralTwitlerLT]

Gave me something to think about. And 'till next time, Boss👍

[@mightybeard5123]

I mentioned this a few times before to other people but I feel like I'm the only one who also points out the 2 other earliest signs of telling people you're a different man. 1) No snake/s scar on your torso that is prominent in peace walker as a symbol of Big Boss's attachment and unwillingness to let go of the Boss until the he felt abandoned by her mammal pod. 2) That his right eye is still in his head. Big Boss's eye burst from the muzzle flash of Ocelot's revolver, which even in the best case scenario, would leave horrible and very visible scarring. Whereas Venom Snake's eye stalk got severed by the shrapnel horn, which caused the faded but intact eye. I originally thought it was just overlooked things, but after beating the game, these things were just more subtle hints at the truth

[@SaintedPIacebo]

the popped eye thing makes so much sense. i completely forgot about that. his eye was literally shot, it wouldnt just be white like that.

[@marce.nohaycaminoalandar]

Another thing I never understood was, whose jet plane was it that attacked the helicopter in which Venom was traveling with Quiet? Pay attention to the jet plane and it doesn't have any logo anywhere on its body. And it seems very strange to me that someone has discovered the location of Mother Base and only sent a single attack to shoot down the helicopter. sorry my english

[@breezygloom2525]

in the cassette tape recording of zero visiting venom and bb, there's this sound that you can hear on both sides like the sound psycho mantis makes in mgsv in cutscenes, you can hear the same sound at the start of the cassette tape of zero and paz, which doesn't make any sense.

[@covert-bird]

You sound like the doctor from the prologue... 👀 Is my entire life one big Kojima easter egg?

[@washingtonh2088]

i think the reason Miller always talk about how he was betrayed by Paz, is because the concept of Peace walker. in Peace Walkers there is a say that outer heaven is the 3° chance, the freedom of the past, the freedom of heaven or hell. so when he talk after the fight of Peace walker to brig Paz with them, it was to give a second chance, a new road for her to follow. that's why he stay confused about the escapes of galvez, of how he keeps escaping after the fight and the compliance of paz

[@swthero]

It would have been a great twist if venom snake was decoy octopus in MGS5

[@jaycos3]

This games story was obviously ment to have much more to it.This game certainly does leave you feeling the Phantom Pain.

[@VenomSnakeBigBoss]

Kojima dont make mistakes everything has a reason

[@Chud_Bud]

brb gonna go guard my own body double for nine years

[@solidkwon]

The clues were there all along! 😮

[@valueinvestor8555]

What do you think, during which time MGS VI would be set if Kojima could do it? What would the story be about? What would be revealed?

[@bluPotato1234]

Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is technically MGS VI

[@jamrockdoom]

​@@bluPotato1234 not really, it's considered a spinoff than a main series game

[@bluPotato1234]

@@jamrockdoom yes, I know. Just technically speaking

[@thegamingprozone1941]

would there ever be an MGS VI?

[@gman2570]

to number 5 and 6 point he actually does shoot the guy on the right infact he shoots both you just got to wait a long time. The reason he doesnt do the sync shot is story and meta reasons meta the game is getting you used to aiming and shooting. Story ishmeal(big boss) is trying to not give away who he truely is so he does things that make him seem like a random guy or hallucination. (jumping on quiets back and not engaging in cqc and not firing at the second guy) he trying to make him self super unrememberable or weird so venom doesnt think about him to hard or writes him off as a figment of his imagination caused by the "horn". and the time discrepancy is just big boss waiting for the heat to die down in a safe location and get some rest while ocelot gets venom to safely and then tries figure out how much of the hypno therapy worked on venom and catch venom up on things that have happened

[@jonmurphy4889]

I will admit playing the MGS5 intro for the first time was Fuckin awesome It really was great

[@OKIGorgon]

Shadows are misleading. Good example is the spinning black silhouette, where it's impossible to tell which way it's spinning. So it's entirely possible that patient actually started looking at assailant, then turned away and finally got shot.

[@BigBossYounus]

Thanks BOSS 🔥

[@PythonSelkan]

🙏

[@hussymercedes8513]

I played Metal Gear Solid 3 again 1 day ago played on the hardest difficulty Extreme and finished it in a day. Truly awesome.

[@anlkucuk6756]

I have a question; apart from those we know, does everyone knows what Big Boss look like? Details like he's missing an eye and wears an eye patch or he used to wear a bandana or something?

[@superkalio]

Astonishing as usual!🔥🔥🔥

[@PythonSelkan]

🙏🙏

[@thesimpsoan7946]

I feel like that one clip from ground zeroes is in most of your videos lol, the one where miller says about the "rain coming down just as hard..." it's a cool detail but cmon man 😭😭😭

[@PythonSelkan]

We totally understand! But we treat our videos both for our longtime viewers and also for newcomers.. We felt it would have been missing if we skipped this for this video since this one is especially focusing on possible "flaws/mistakes". 🙂 - P&S

[@thesimpsoan7946]

@@PythonSelkan i understand your reasoning lol but I do hear it often, it's not a stab at you or anything but I'm just pointing it out

[@PythonSelkan]

No worries at all, and we took note of the concern (unless it's truly required for the topic). Thanks for the feedback! 🙂 - P&S

[@BioAlpha5]

PT IS A NIGHTMARE V HAS LIKE BIG BOSS IN MGS3 IT JUST CLICKED AT 2:31 bro i have chills and im only at number 2 holy crap Something is coming this year. Did you see hideo and his twitter? he keeps retweeting a LOT of MGS V stuff. 9 years later.... as if... V has come to

[@stevecraigslist5685]

So if everything has a purpose, I have one for you to analyze. I noticed if you fly to the “Quarantine” platform and look at the name written on the wall there, “Quarantine” is misspelt.

[@james1393]

I honestly think 95% of what you speculate is probably true and accurate. Considering it took us 10+ years to fully understand every Metal Gear game, particularly MGS2, I don’t see why it would be any different for the finale of the series. Kojima truly is brilliant when it comes to video games. In short… MGSV has aged like a magnificent wine.

[@squidgybuffalo]

Good video, I like bits of what you've picked out The ground zeros shadow must just be an error as that is big boss. Maybe, just maybe, some of these are issues Kojima and team couldn't fix with Konami over his shoulder all of the time

[@MegaManXegesis]

The Eric Andre Show: INVESTIGATE 3/11 PythonSelkan: 15:54

[@FROST_DEV2]

5:40 the writing is * from fox two phantoms were born

[@Bosston62]

Damn I kinda of want to restart MGSV Haven’t played it in years

[@jessecommins4499]

What about the times in the game where you a called Ahab? The chopper pilot calls you that when you rescue miller.

[@cFull_Rtrd]

that's weird i was like on the other side of the room in that scene where XOF shoots the guy in bed then he falls through the curtain and Ismael crawls under the bed. 1:06 is this like a glitch that venom ended up next to him doing his exact movements in the cutscene? it doesn't look natural.