WHAT PEOPLE DON'T TELL YOU BEFORE MOVING TO ITALY

[@stefano8470]

Buongiorno, non condivido alcune cose dette in questo video. 1) la consegna delle auto avviene in alcune settimane causa crisi dei chip e dell'importazione di tecnologia dall'oriente. Le case automobilistiche europee per abbassare i costi acquistano determinati componenti dall'oriente solo quando vi sono commesse di una certa entita'. Non c'entra niente la dolce vita. 2) in molti ipermercati o centri commerciali per contenere i costi il personale e' stato ridotto al minimo.Per questo alcune volte le consegna e l'installazione di determinati prodotti possono richiedere settimane. Non c'entra niente la dolce vita ma la politica di contenimento dei costi. 3) Anche in Italia esistono le prenotazioni e gli appuntamenti dal dottore. Anche qui dipende se uno studio e' grande in una grande citta' o se lo studio e' piccolo in un paese. Non e' un discorso di dolce vita ma sempre di costi da contenere. 4) se l'Italia e' la settima potenza industriale del mondo forse vuol dire che anche in Italia si lavora e si produce. Grazie,cordiali saluti

[@gearbox3773]

In Italy, a lot of of old buildings are under "Belle Arti" coverage. This is the reason youn can't modify the facade but just rebuild as it is. Also you can't tear down a wall without a project with all details about static safety of the building. The old houses have stone walls.

[@nicolettastrada5976]

The buildings here are REALLY REALLY too old for Americans!😂😂😂😂

[@Cultured_Barbarian]

❤Thank you both for objectively analyzing the differences between American Living and life in Italy. That is what I expected from the title and thumbnail. What I didn't expect is the amount of people in the comments who failed to understand the intention. We spent a month there in March and are/were considering a more permanent move there. Some of our experiences were great. Some of them mirrored the emotional maturity shown by some in this comment section. Not sure if allowing the comments to stay was intentional to support this point, or not, but thanks for leaving them up, since it is a huge indicator of what one must consider with such a move.

[@360cynandscott]

Thank you for understanding the purpose and intention of the video. We've been here for almost 3 years. This is the second country that we are trying out, the first one was Mexico. The actual purpose of our channel is to inform in a realistic way without being negative or romanticizing things/places. That's why people leave comments like that, because they want to keep the romance and not address reality. It is crazy how people react but we are not surprised. Thank you for your support.

[@Cultured_Barbarian]

@@360cynandscott Interestingly, we also tried Mexico. Wasn't good. Lot's of anti American behaviors. Very different than 20-15 years ago when I spent 1-2 months there every year. In Italy, we found that the farther south we went, the nicer the people were. As you live your lives in Italy, how often do you find interactions like those in these comments, as opposed to normal-ish behavior towards Americans?

[@360cynandscott]

@ these comments are tame compared to what we received in instagram. To the point that we deleted the page because it wasn’t worth it. We would say that in person we didn’t encounter bad interactions, however we were really shocked with the feelings expressed in comment sections in social media towards Americans. Definitely it is known that in the south people are friendlies and warmer. It’s funny because our last video was about Schengen countries for Americans and Italy ranked 21 🤣. Anyway thank you for your comment and watching the video. 😊

[@Cultured_Barbarian]

@@360cynandscott Wow. People are definitely braver on social media. Especially cowardly types. We had a couple of passive aggressive interactions, but much more were purely passive. We really appreciate you both for sharing your honest experiences here. We will check out the video you mentioned. I told my wife that Italy is 21st. She's like "How many countries are in the Schengen Area?!" I said "Probably 22". Haha. We will find out tomorrow. Hope you two have a great day together 🤗

[@360cynandscott]

@ thank you. We are in the process of leaving Italy and moving to Belgium. We will document the move to show our experience. There are more opportunities in northern countries. Thank you again 😊

[@ThePlomplomplom]

Hi guys, thks for the video. My wife and I live in La Spezia, not far from u, and buying a washing machine from time of purchase to delivery, was 2 days and the guy installed it and took the old one out, in all about 30 minutes. On the medical records, yes this is what I found, that they hand u your x-rays or records and up to u to take to your doctor. It saves not having all the middlemen(like the US) calling and making appointments for u. This is one reason why it's cheaper here. Think it has to do with privacy laws here? And the wait times at our family doctor is really not bad . Even without a appointment, if u walk in , no one is there, the doctor will see u. And they speak pretty good English. Even the dentist here speak good English. Of course we have to better our Italian . Take care

[@360cynandscott]

Hi, Thank you for your comment. Yes we don't know why it took so long but it was frustrating when we tried to talk to the store and they turned us away because we bought it online from them. It was Media World. Then the delivery guys tried to charged us 20 euros for the connection. The medical system has been excellent for us. We use the public system and we managed with my struggling Italian. But I really like a lot of the things they do here and how they manage the medical files. Thank you for watching. ☺

[@lorraineperron4840]

In Sulmona , they delivered TV or washing machine in three days and set everything up , they had the tools.

[@trip241267]

Bel video, bravi!!! Siete aperti mentalmente e siete oggettivi nel dire il più e il meno nel voler vivere stabilmente in Italia.

[@360cynandscott]

Grazie

[@MarilynLoveYou]

As for the garbage 0:03 disposals, most Italian cities have regulations on what day you have to throw out the garbage and as for the clothes drier you can find them in shops if you want

[@360cynandscott]

Hi thank you for your comment. The garbage disposal we referred to is a device attached to the sink that grinds food waste. It is common in the US in the kitchen sinks.

[@gearbox3773]

About the washing machine, it can be delivered on walkway near main door, in front of your house or direct inside your house. All as per what you ask (and pay) for. About AC, open two opposite windows and you will get free ventilation. And SSN (Sistema Sanitario Nazionale) will not ask you a credit card for medical assistance.

[@M.C.K.111]

I sold my car and bought my one in a day...seller and buyer go to any " ufficio pratiche auto", having called your car insurance and having given them the plate number of the new one..15 minutes to sign the documents, send by email to the insurance the document that proves you are the owner. Finished..

[@pf1740]

the fact about medical tests is partially true. if tests are performed in hospitals of the national health system the results are entered directly into the medical circuit and your family doctor has them immediately available and if there is something serious he is alerted immediately. and yes, there is a file with all the medical records in the archive and the doctor can see everything! (at least this is how it works with Italian resident citizens...then I don't know in other cases) if tests are performed at a private clinic, then they give you the results and it will be your responsibility

[@Kayak-fz6mj]

I am in the US and interested in Italy. I just started taking Italian language class and at 65 yo, it seems more difficult than when I was in high school...LOL. It is, however, a beautiful language. It just might take me a bit more time to be able to speak, write, and listen or translate in my head. I also noticed that many of the homes/apartments, as you say that are old, require quite a bit of renovation, at least the affordable ones. I wonder how difficult it is to find a reputable contractor who will not take advantage of a foreigner. Is this something you might be able to arrange through the real estate agency? I enjoy your videos!

[@davidchang8468]

Yes, Italians are very candid! When I asked for a cup of espresso, I tried to say per favore. No very clear and weak though, but I could feel that they appreciated my effort.

[@jeboccuzzi10]

Great video. Thanks

[@litolito1893]

I am new to your channel and loving it!!! I live in NYC so I’m used to getting things done quickly, time is of the essence but it would be nice to slow down a bit and live longer 🤙🏻 Sto imparando italiano da solo anche parlo spagnolo (sono Puerto Rican) nato e cresciuto in NYC. Inglese è la mia prima lingua.

[@360cynandscott]

Thank you for joining our channel. We moved to Italy over 2 years ago. We are trying to share our experience and any useful information. Let us know if you have any questions that maybe we can answer. Yo soy argentina y mi esposo es de Texas. También estamos aprendiendo italiano. ❤

[@MarilynLoveYou]

You need the article " sto imparando l' italiano" and it's better to say " e parlo anche spagnolo"

[@angelosenteio]

That was really good information. Thank you!

[@k.k.2157]

Around here when I went to a store called Orizzonte to buy a washing machine they scheduled the delivery for four business days later. The price included installation and removal of the old machine (if there was already one in the house), luckily. However, I remember being annoyed about waiting four days but, honestly, after hearing how things went for you guys I think I got lucky haha.

[@360cynandscott]

Yes the whole delivery issue was an ordeal for us. 😀

[@WeAreItalyBound]

We want to retire in Italy and we can’t wait!! Hopefully we’ll be able to soon. 😊

[@gigisummer109]

There is nothing wrong with using fans and clothes racks, it is more civilised to be environmentally friendly and not use dryers and air con.

[@360cynandscott]

I agree that drying clothes on a cloth rack or cloth line is better for the clothes because they don't get damage like when using the dryer. However, the air conditioner is a must in the summer. We have 5 fans going right now and all the shutters down and it is very hot inside the apartment. This is our third and last summer in this particular place. Thank you for your comment

[@gigisummer109]

I disagree with you about AC as I manage fine without it as do other people I know. However I understand that people have different tolerance levels when it comes to heat.

[@1whitecottagelife770]

Nah... I love having a dryer and AC. I grew up in Eastern Europe with neither

[@ag71131]

We do not trash anything in the sink since we differentiate garbage. Also, we use less dryer machines if we can do without. Same for AC... It's a havit of using less energy having better results.

[@360cynandscott]

The sink garbage disposal is not about differentiated trash is just for food residue. When you wash dishes the food residue goes in the pipes and could clog. The sink garbage disposal is to make sure that doesn’t happens. I agree that in the 1800s and even 1900s the use of AC was probably not needed but summers are getting hotter and Italy is not doing well with it. There are too many heat related deaths. www.preventionweb.net/news/heat-caused-over-47000-deaths-europe-2023-second-highest-burden-last-decade#:~:text=When%20accounting%20for%20the%20population,and%20Portugal%20(136%20deaths%20per

[@ag71131]

Understood, I lived in Houston, but the point is we do not trash any food by the sink in Italy. The AC is fine when needed, in US is simply too much used.

[@NyreeAlana]

The thing I didn't know was about keeping your own medical files, that's very interesting!

[@Leonardo-cq4zd]

Good stuff guys. Very interesting. I think the heavy bureaucracy might present a challenge. Life without A/C, clothes dryers, or garbage disposals could be somewhat difficult. Is Italy a bidet country, ie no toilet paper? Individually any of these is surmountable, but collectively it makes me pause. (Yeah, I've probably live in America too long.) Been thinking about exploring Italian citizenship by descent but I understand it can a tedious, extremely time-consuming process probably best managed for you by an attorney or other professional. Well, maybe I wasn't destined to live in Italy....

[@360cynandscott]

Hi, yes Italy is a bidet country but still with toilet paper on the side. Bidets are actually pretty good 😃. The bureaucracy is extremely annoying and add the bad attitude by government employees makes it even more annoying. The other little things you get used to it. Definitely we suggest buying or renting with A/C or adding a unit afterwards. We made another short video on that subject. Now the citizenship process is best done in Italy than in the US. In Italy could take about 6 months but you have to collect all the paperwork and do the due diligence beforehand. In Italy you would have to be residing through the whole process. That means renting a place. So don't give up on the Italian citizenship because it's possible just takes time. Thank you for your comment. ☺

[@alessandrom7181]

Ahahaah No toilet paper?? Where do you live?? Murican?? We use both toilet papers and bidet, toilet papers before bidet..my gosh..always who tells you that you can't use clothes dryers or A\C?? 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂ Take my advice stay there we don't need people who don't know jacks@it of Italy ..

[@360cynandscott]

@alessandrom7181 Who said there's no toilet paper? I clearly replied that Italy is a bidet country but also has toilet paper. No one said you can't use dryers or A/C either.

[@SharonRepici]

@@alessandrom7181be honest. Unless you go to a lavendaria most Italians still hang their laundry because electricity can be quite expensive.

[@edsteadham4085]

I wouldn't expect someone from Italy to show up in the US and find banks stores offices etc that could handle transactions not would expect Italy to do the same for me.

[@HiddenItalyTravel]

I'm curious about where you're living because my experience in Friuli Venezia Giulia is not at all like you describe. I did live in Sicily in the past and it was much different than how things work up here so I wonder if you're living down South. Even the doctor experience you're describing is much different. Our doctors have secretaries, they remind us of appointments, and we have never really had to wait long to get seen. It's a pretty efficient system up here and better than what I had in Boston.

[@360cynandscott]

Hi. Thank you for your comment. We are in Lucca in the Tuscan region. Let me first start by saying we are not complaining just pointing out differences. The wait times we talked about were for delivery of things we bought. The car purchase, for example, was a used car and the wait time was the paperwork bureaucracy. We use the public health system so they do not have secretaries, only receptionists. These receptionists are for 6 or 7 doctors in the same office. Again this is the public system. The private doctors have secretaries. We use private dentist and they do remind of appointments but is because is private. When it comes to wait times for doctors in the public system, we had a good experience. We see a doctor right away when we need it. But for procedures Usually wait times about 6 weeks. Hope this answer your questions.

[@HiddenItalyTravel]

@@360cynandscott For sure, I didn't think you were complaining. The only reason I pointed out that there are differences is for others so they don't think this is typical for every region or province in Italy. Although, it is true that patience is necessary wherever they land if they plan to live here.

[@satkinson1989]

The thing is in Italy there is zero consistency. What happens in Tuscany doesn't happen in Veneto... Especially with the healthcare as they are different systems! I remember researching how to get my permesso di soggiorno and finding totally conflicting accounts online, then my experience was something a little different. Nobody knows and nobody can know 😂

[@HiddenItalyTravel]

@@satkinson1989 Yeah you really have to be ready for anything, really.

[@stefano8470]

@@HiddenItalyTravel as in Us when is normal that person have gun and students kill other students in the school.Think about Us before insulting Italians

[@tammyfitzgerald5336]

I am learning my grandparents came from Palermo to USA 🇺🇸 he fought two wars and got citizenship so I am allowed dual citizenship is this true ❤

[@360cynandscott]

Hello. The best source of information would be the Italian emabssy that has jurisdiction in your city. You should be able to get citizenship but I know the law changed recently where they might present an issue if your Italian ancestors naturalized in another country.

[@francescofilippi2824]

It is now possible to have the medical report or blood test report sent to your doctor through your Fascicolo medico, because everything about you is online there

[@ellmiller2013]

We plan on making the move in a couple of years. Will they tax me if i ship my car and or belongings over?

[@360cynandscott]

The car situation is tricky. First there are always taxes, second there’s the issue of EU compliance to see if your car is even allowed on the road in Italy. Third, and this is the most important one, you can only drive for 1 year with your US driver license. You will have to take a test in Italian that is nothing like the theory tests from the states. Most expats we know don’t drive a car because of this issue. A ticket can be 5000 euros. We have a video about the driver license process in our channel in case you want to check it out. We went to Italy with just 4 suitcases and bought things that we needed in Italy. We sold everything before leaving the states. Let us know if you have more questions. Thank you 😊

[@AD12396]

My question is why did you move there so unprepared? I am Italian born and therefore speak the language. I also have a home there but have not gone back in 15 years. Once you live in the US, there is no way to readjust to that dolce vita lifestyle. I have the means to live there part of the year but yet refuse to do that. Italy has definitely changed and not for the better although the US has as well. I wonder if you will stay there but have to give you credit for the move. Buona fortuna amici.

[@peterjermey7235]

I could speculate that in general Americans have less understanding of diversity of culture than Europeans because the US is so big and so dominant. Many Americans don't seem to really understand that other countries exist and have their own laws (this is especially true with Canada and Mexico!).

[@tammyfitzgerald5336]

I learned a broken scicillian and my aunts all gone 🙏🙏✊🏾✊🏾🙌🙌

[@nic6208]

Great information and love,y couple

[@andreadimatteo1036]

how can you claim to live in a country and don't speak the language? of course you must speak the local language. I don't understand why you want find people that speak english in Italy, it is a non sense, if you want english speakers go to a anglosaxon country, if you come to Italy you will find italian speakers. Where must be itslian speakers in your opinion? in India maybe? the gouverment offices must speak italian to avoid any mistake and any confusion. Why gouvernment offices must speak english in Italy? There is no need and no reason. Stop to think that your language is in some way superior to other languages. Learn italian and enjoy the country.

[@360cynandscott]

I think you misinterpreted the entire video. NOBODY SAID that people MUST SPEAK ENGLISH IN ITALY. we are providing information for the people who are moving to be aware that they will either have to learn the language or find someone to help them. Sto imparando italiano come la mia terza lingua.

[@andreadimatteo1036]

@@360cynandscott If somebody is moving to another country, it is normal he must learn the language too and this is valid for any country. Anyway be informed that in Italy the english language is mandatory in all middle schools. So you can find easy somebody that speak english in Italy, mostly in younger population.

[@Cultured_Barbarian]

​@@360cynandscott🤯The irony, amiright? 😂😅 Great video. Very helpful.

[@Barbara_M.]

​@@andreadimatteo1036 surely the situation is improved and the youngaters are more proficient with their english but people born in the 70s or 60s like me, which are the majority in certain public offices, don't speak english since what was taught us in middle school was so little that we were unable to speak or understand. I have been working my whole life in international enviroment and I couldn't manage a decent english until at my own expense and during my free time I dedicated myself to study the language and went au pair abroad. I cannot tell you how many summer I spent "helping" my male friends as a translator during their attempt to pick up girls since they couldn't speak any english.

[@preparados1917]

I learned Italian just to visit Italy. I spoke Italian as much as I could, about 95% of the time and people were nice to me. I am still learning the language because I love it's musicality.

[@mrripley6815]

We that are italians dream about america and being an american i ve been living in england for the last 2 decades when iam on holiday from work i often travel to US to enjoy it even thought the cities i visited resemble a lot british cities DC philadelphia chicago.

[@nicolettastrada5976]

YOU dream about it

[@tammyfitzgerald5336]

Is driving like in Germany I took that test ❤❤❤

[@360cynandscott]

If you have a German license you would not need to do a test in Italy. Hope it helps.

[@loredanamattio1002]

Anche se sei italiano e cambi domicilio viene un poliziotto a controllare che tu abiti davvero dove hai detto

[@Giovis968]

😂😂

[@amilcareschettini5881]

When in Rome do as the Romans do

[@roblindsay101]

I think her mic's off

[@andreadimatteo1036]

this "dolce vita" mention is very offensive. I feel really offended as italian. Try to measure better your words. It's not nice nice to come to Italy and to complain about the italian things. If you like, stay here and enjoy, if you don't like, who is forcing you to stay here? go back to home. Don't expect all the world must be a copy of usa. Each country is different. Anyway your "dolce vita" is just a offensive stereotype.A totally non sense. Italy is the 7th or the 8th economic and industrial power in the world, how do you think this is possible having a "dolce vita" style? totally wrong ...

[@andreadimatteo1036]

@@360cynandscott Io credo che un ospite sia molto maleducato a offendere il padrone di casa, soprattutto quando costui sta semplicemente adottando le sue normali procedure senza discriminare nessuno. Gli italiani si lamentano della burocrazia, ma non sono sicuramente tutti esperti di burocrazia, probabilmente qualcosa si può migliorare. Il punto è un altro: la dolce vita non c'entra per niente. E' una grande caduta di stile ed è una grande maleducazione da parte vostra attribuire la causa di un malfunzionamento alla "dolce vita". Le cause potrebbero essere economiche, organizzative o qualsiasi altre ma parlando di "dolce vita" ci state accusando di pigrizia o anche forse di stupidità. Vi sentite furbi voi? Vi sentite capaci voi? e di cosa? avete un paese che sta sull'orlo di una guerra civile, un sistema sanitario che fa morire 100.000 persone all'anno per mancanza di cure, il 20% della popolazione che soffre di depressione e si cura con psicofarmaci, la più alta percentuale di drogati di tutto l'occidente. E vi fissate a criticare la "dolce vita" degli italiani? che in realtà non esiste perchè noi lavoriamo come voi e più di voi. Siate più educati e rispettosi, se ne siete capaci.

[@andreadimatteo1036]

@@360cynandscott se gli italiano lasciano il loro paese per motivi di lavoro, non è certo compito vostro analizzarlo o spiegarlo, ci sono sociologi e politici che devono farlo, non certo voi. La nostra economia va male anche per come funziona il sistema Unione Europea, che è così anche per ingerenze di paesi che si dicono amici e si comportano come nemici. Comunque il fatto che molti italiani emigrano all'estero non vi dà nessun diritto di attribuirlo alla "dolce vita", che non esiste e non è mai esistita, è solo il titolo di un film.

[@andreadimatteo1036]

@@360cynandscott gli italiani non fanno nulla per cambiare come funzionano le cose? e gli americani cosa fanno per migliorare le loro cose? ammazzano i candidati presidenti? o scatenano qualche guerra? insegnateci a migliorare il nostro paese dopo che voi avete migliorato il vostro.

[@andreadimatteo1036]

@@360cynandscott mi devi anche spiegare perchè "potenza mondiale" è tra virgolette. Ricordati che il debito americano sta crescendo e che gli usa non hanno più manifattura. Ricorda che esiste il "rust belt" nel vostro paese con milioni di disoccupati.

[@ZsuzsannaCsizmadia-ho5ve]

I don't think they meant to be offensive or hurt anyone. If they had any feeling of superiority, they would not be interested in living in a country in another continent. Simply there are a number of things that go very differently from what they are used to. In Hungary, no delivery man would ever connect your new washing machine either, some areas of bureaucracy have been improved, while others haven't. So, I'd be shocked to wait 4 months for an appointment to pick up a residence permit that's sitting ready in an office (true story). And about the language: like it or not, English is the most frequently used language for international communication. Plus, they emphasize that learning Italian is important if you have long-term plans. And one more thing, they generate GDP for your country, so be a little more accepting :) .

[@gohb29]

Piano piano eh!

[@nicolettastrada5976]

Instead of the rack you can easily buy a dryer (asciugatrice if you don’t know Italian ). A loooot of doctors have secretaries… and che p&@@lle con sta dolce vita !

[@360cynandscott]

Easily buy a dryer?? I'm guessing you are not familiar with how things work in Italy. Yes many doctors have secretaries, at least the private ones. We use the public system and they do not have secretaries, just receptionists. The point was that they don't call you to remind you of appointments. I'm using the expression "la dolce vita" for not saying something else. Got it?

[@nicolettastrada5976]

@@360cynandscottyes, maybe I’m not familiar with how things work in Italy as I happen to have been living here since I was born 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@360cynandscott]

@@nicolettastrada5976 then you know very well that dryers are not a common appliance and that many apartments are not even set up to hook up a dryer. Also if you pay attention you’ve noticed we said doctors have receptionists.

[@alessandrom7181]

Yeah, you have to learn language..guess what?? We are not your colony in Italy-

[@360cynandscott]

@alessandrom7181 I'm visiting Belgium and the Netherlands right now. Their languages are Dutch (Belgium and Netherlands) and also French for Belgium. They also speak English without a problem. The video is intended to make foreigners aware that they must learn Italian in Italy because, unlike other countries, English will not be spoken like in the northern European countries, who are also NOT colonies of anyone.

[@tammyfitzgerald5336]

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