What REALLY happened in Manchester Marathon?

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[@MBellis1710]

Edit (Watched the full video now!) Saw you when I was doing the Newport Marathon (my first marathon - 2:59:59!) Glad you felt better during that race! It was awesome to see you there, gave me a boost!

[@pintspiesandpbs3198]

Hi Matt, This is an excellent assessment and very refreshing to hear. I think you knew going into Manchester that you were undercooked, and sensibly adjusted your pace plan on the day. Also, glad to hear you address the obsession that some sub elite athletes have with carb loading on the day! Several gels, along with the drinks is going to upset the stomach and personally i think may only have a placebo effect. Good luck for Chicago!

[@gokiwi2642]

Good recap of both marathons Matt, yeah triathlon is you, haha that will be fun to watch, I’ve never done a triathlon because my swimming is ridiculously ridiculous but like to give one a go, good luck with Chicago 🏃🏽‍♂️👊🏼✌️🌞👣🥳✅

[@karlbratby4349]

Great honest breakdown of your race ❤ a focus on s+c is a huge huge benefit, something I personally have done, not at home but at the gym as it is more focused. I’m early 50’s so even more important to us oldies but the elites advocate gym work makes the difference, the great Mo F did a lot of gym work. Earlier in the year forgot my race gels like a twit, oddly got a PB and was awesome not faffing about, legs maybe felt more tired day after but made me realise something 🎉

[@bobkrogh1670]

Great vid! Easy to listen to and nice to hear about how others deal with the challenges of training. I wonder about these lactate monitors - seems like possibly your heart rate monitor might give you more reliable data. I love numbers but...

[@davidsheartisrunning]

I think what you and other YTers have demonstrated is that for club runner standard a 2:20 marathon is a tough ask and sometimes it’s luck on the day. I’ve commented previously that I think many of you who log all their training on-line you over think it all. Running seemed so much simpler 30-40 years ago. Yes, we thought about training etc but turned up and ran ! I do think then depth of competition was better then. It’s funny to think back then there were no gels or super shoes yet we still ran decently- ummm !

[@willrocks4985]

Out of interest, did you take any sort of energy during a long race like a marathon? Like dried apricots or juice?

[@davidsheartisrunning]

@@willrocks4985 No, I was commenting on this when the LM was on. Mostly runners took nothing apart from the odd ‘cup’ of water. Half marathons/10 miles , nothing except a water splash ! There was an early electrolyte drink XL1 which was disgusting 🤮. I know so many very good runners who never ate any special, before, during or after a race. Bag of crisps after a race 😂 I ran 2:19 and a 66 half and 30:07 10k so not too shabby

[@davidsheartisrunning]

@tarawright5286 you’re right, data for data sake - makes little or no difference in reality . The content makers seem nice guys, just not the ability to match their ambitions.

[@jonathanwatkins447]

Wow. What an awesome story. So cool you did Newport and have a better feeling chicago. Well done

[@lloydheritage3590]

Do you think the Coca-Cola on the morning of Manchester may have also contributed to the GI issues? Glad it went well for you in Newport

[@TheRunsPod]

Chicago is perfect for PB attempt - Flat fast quality field! 🚀

[@English.runner.en.Espana]

Have you just said your running Chicago? Cannot wait for blosck build up! and cheers for all your work and vids you put up!

[@toomuchpaving]

Far too many runners today place too much emphasis on carb/gel loading and have ‘upset’ stomachs. Fact - in the 80s there were no gels (nor carbon shoes) yet many more Brits running sub 2.30 marathons each year than there is today. Keep it simple. Complication drives failure.

[@StangspringDK]

The emphasis on simple carbs, not only in the loading phase, is detrimental for your health and insulin levels. It will increase HBA1c and keep your insulin elevated. Elevated insulin inhibits your bodys ability to use fat as fuel. Even on low carb diets, is the liver and muscles filled with glycogen (gluconeogenesis, converting fat to glucose). If you have carbs, have them during training or post training (immediately after your training runs), where the muscles are looking to replenish glycogen. This requires less insulin, and might retain your bodys ability to use fat as fuel, as well as glucose.

[@softrun1000]

Where’d you get the sub 2.30 stat?

[@SimoFromOhio]

Curious if you’ve done multi-day carb loading for marathons in the past? How was your fueling / carb-loading for Manchester / Newport compared to your PB marathon? You have me super nervous for my upcoming race now haha

[@toddboucher3302]

Wow that great what a turn around. 2 super fast marathons. As a low-carb runner, I see some of these really high carbs people can take and My gut would rip apart. Great job,

[@mikes5764]

I'm curious about you saying you were in that nice pack talking to the other runners. Why didn't you run a bit faster then, just to the level that it still feels comfortable but just not that comfortable that you feel like talking? I think that is the ideal intensity for running the marathon. But I'm not so experienced as you are, so really interested in your view on this.

[@jamesmarshallp7415]

Do you not think having rice pudding and coke for breakfast contributed to bloating and sickness? Made me feel sick just to watch it 🤣

[@davidleonard37]

I think Lydiard said something like that about carb loading. If I'm right you dont eat a lot of carbs the days leading up and then load the day before. You get more benefit from it then. You can only store so much for so long anyway.

[@timtrenholm3698]

If you don't have bottle service at Chicago, what are your plans? I'm also running Chicago, but I normally wear a vest with soft flasks, and get 2 fresh ones at the half from my spouse. But it seems like hydration packs are not allowed, only belts and handhelds. So while I could try and carry two 600ml (80g carbs each) soft flasks in my running belt with a few gels and try and use aid stations for the last 10km or less....it would be weird relearning my hydration/fueling strategy which has worked for 4 marathons already. Maybe I just take the summer to learn to cup drink effectively and switch to gel/chews since Boston (crosses fingers my BQ -8:36mins doesn't get me cut for 2025) will require me to do the samething. Glad you were able to quickly recycle the fitness and get the race you wanted on the 2nd marathon, hindsight is a cruel beast right about now I'm assuming. :(

[@matthanna1980]

On Dan Nash's Strava, he theorises that his legs felt OK the day after the marathon due to taking on 90g+ of carbs per hour. Maybe he has a tougher gut than average!

[@markcameron3]

With a 2.5 hr marathon I'm surprised you need 100g carbs per hour, you'll already have 1.5 hrs of stored carbs from the loading. Great comeback at Newport though 💪

[@patricksmit8887]

Amount of carbs is individual, muscle and fibertype dependent. So if soleus is sall and full of red fibers it may be depleted earlier than a very well trained person with more white fibers (with more glycogen storage). Additionally the body noticing intake of carbs will be reducing signs of fatigue, simply because it senses the uptake.

[@pintspiesandpbs3198]

Completely agree Mark. I think a few sub elite athletes have been over fueling on carbs in the vlogs I'm seeing recently, but nice to see Matt recognise this post race.

[@patricksmit8887]

​​@tarawright5286i think from half marathon race and longer it will be beneficially mentally to take a form of additional energy in. Even if you would have sufficient energy for the distsnce, the positive feedback (or reduction of negative geeback) from energy being taken in will reduce fatigue. Gels are the easiest to deal with you take a chjnk and swallow it a Maurten 160 gel is 3 to 4 chunks, without interfering too much with breathing or running

[@NeillyVille]

Barely no running Matt lately, you ok 😅

[@TheWelshRunner]

Watch to the end and I explain all 🤪

[@saljablo2767]

In layman’s terms. You ingested too much and had to take a massive poo. Big deal.