What Really Went Wrong With The Dark Tower

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[@truecrimewithglenclark9098]

Looper I knew this would be a flop from the moment I seen the trailer. It just didn't excite me at all.

[@c.k99]

Looper Two words, four syllables, Sony pictures

[@Mthammere2010]

Rolland is white in the books, why cast him different in the movie? Inaccuracies like that do drive people away. They should have made a movie on the song of Susana if they wanted Idris in the show, he would have done well as Eddie.

[@JustPablo5000]

Looper look what your vid started down there....

[@adriancuthbertson9213]

Mthammere2010 Stephen King the author of the book chose him for that role... Is there something terrible wrong with picking someone who's best suited to the job regardless of skin colour? FYI its never specifically mentioned that he's white or black. The best description we have is "a Clint Eastwood like personality" notice the word personality?

[@GONZOMAF]

It felt super rushed. Roland gets poisoned, he's cured. The kids parents die, he's over it. The man in black shows up, he's dead. Whoever made this has forgotten the face of his father

[@undertaker9991]

The Dishonored Wolf?

[@mikejones379]

😂😂😂

[@MattWesss]

Feels like season 8 of GOT.

[@jaunearc2114]

XD bruh that joke got big time

[@raptortamerdx5900]

The creators of this film killed it with their gun

[@SimonBergeron1977]

Screw "sequel" to The Dark Tower, screw "prequel" in the form of a TV series. I want to see The. Dark. Tower. Saga. Based. On. The. Books!

[@mkocel]

AMEN

[@alnu8355]

I actually would'nt mind an anthology series that details the exploits of Gunslingers throughout the centuries provided Stephen King wrote some of them (if not, all of them). Kind of like "Love, Death, and Robots" but way less up it's own ass and with a more unified theame and direction. Could be either live action or animated (though I would prefer animated). 1 part Canteberry Tales, 1 Part Various Arthurian myths and Legends, and 3 parts Short Stories in the The Dark Tower universe. Hell, I wish Stephen King would write an Anthology Book of Gunslinger Tales. This would only work as a spinoff. If they were to do a TV series of the actual Dark Tower story they need to either follow the books (exactly as they are written) or follow the Comic Adaptation (Exactly as it's written).

[@darkstarunderground]

Supposed to be currently in the works. 5 seasons on a streaming service and 2 full length movies to end it.

[@Skyrideby]

That's what HBO is going to do with Harry Potter. Turn it into 7 seasons of TV show base off the books

[@TorTor323]

It's like the opposite of the the hobbit. Instead of stretching out a good story they condensed the gunslingers great tale into a shitsshow

[@brianogilby7220]

TorTorTalks exactly.

[@jonanderson5137]

You think they did well with The Honnit?! No, they did not do well.

[@brianogilby7220]

For all its faults The Hobbit is way better then The Dark Tower. Its always better to make a too long (over 3 hours) version of a masterpiece book series rather then a too short (under 2 hours) version. It may be bloated (very bloated even) but it wont miss anything important in the story and will take the time to really focus on the characters and lore.

[@Beatsbyvinyl]

I was surprised the movie was so damn short. I think it could've easily been 30-60 minutes longer

[@rouskeycarpel8652]

TorTorTalks FACTS!! I liked the dark tower but I hated that it was too short.

[@cewe2003]

I actually liked this movie, but I had no idea it was seven books! As an avid reader, I would be LIVID if I knew my beloved books were cut down into one movie.

[@HappyDude1]

Iliked it also I think when read the books first the movies always going to disappoint

[@thanossnap4170]

yeah me and my friends walked in to this, all of us being big fans of the books. I don't think we spoke to eachother for 10 min. after the movie ended. We were just blown away by how horribly they treated the source material. I have since reread the books again (my favourite book series), and i still can't get over how bad the movie is.

[@darkstarunderground]

This was a sequel to the books. Ka is a wheel. Roland had been on this quest many times and it always starts over when he finally reaches the top of the tower. This was definitely a super condensed version.

[@Vakkitah]

In my opinion they should have made a mini series... it would have been so much more successful...

[@brianogilby7220]

Fiona.B agreed.

[@ceboshembe]

yes Fiona.B

[@NeroLeMorte]

they are making a dark tower tv series next

[@MrHunterd81]

Exactly. An HBO miniseries would have been awesome. One episode for each book. Why does Hollywood always fuck everything up?

[@joe_razor]

Franklin the Skateboarding Bulldog One episode per book? Sounds rushed like hell. I would like to see a season per book. That would almost be an anthology series with those different moods and themes.

[@stevebrewster5341]

The film makers forgot the faces of their fathers.

[@mohamedABBAS-po6yl]

Sony should've just combined powers and made The Emoji Tower.

[@c.k99]

mohamed ABBAS Don't give them any ideas, Sony might actually do it.

[@LaloRomeroRCOVER]

Sony considered a He Man vs Barbie movie and a 22 Jump Street - Men In Black crossover... an "Emoji Tower" doesn't sound too far fetched for them.

[@Fiver565]

mohamed ABBAS that's either genius or absolute insanity

[@Supersweetguy]

The reason why The Dark Tower sucked was because if you are going to adapt a novel into a movie, the rule is do not adapt so many books into one movie. That is a recipe for disaster.

[@Egiovanni2003]

La Estación de Larry that he man vs barbie thing is hilariously ridiculous. Sony needs to stick with games

[@bsmith363]

What happens with many Steven King movies? Gross neglect and misinterpretation of source material. I mean, fuck a screenwriter has most of the work already done for them. Is it really that hard?

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

B Smith Yes it is actually King's stories don't allways work well changing mediums. Look at the film and Miniseries versions of The Shining. The film is pretty terrifying but leaves a good but out, where as the miniseries is laughable but faithful. Books and film are very different mediums. Books require the reader to use their imagination, films actually have to show everything that happens.

[@LazyCreepypasta]

B Smith biggest example is the live action avatar movie. How can you get that wrong with 20 episodes of references in book 1? Lol

[@preretconbeyonder1372]

B Smith well the movie It thats coming out is being wrriten closely to the book

[@Only1Orinthal]

B Smith Of course, everyone wants to get their jizz into it.

[@AlucardsQuest]

Wasn't the screenwriter also famous for Batman and Robin?

[@misteryman526]

Should have gone with a mini-series on cable instead

[@cjsmama95]

Should have treated it like GOT with each book per season. Would have made more sense.

[@bk8mom]

Finally!!! A Stephen King book series can never get justice with a two hour movie. Dont.Matter.Who.Are.The.Actors.

[@cjsmama95]

They didn't even bother giving it 2 hours - a measly 95 minutes.

[@pan-semitistcommunist4181]

I feel like a series like this would work better in streaming form as i see a sort of direct "Book = Season" approach being the best idea. Probably best enjoyed binged or in bursts of 3 or 4 episodes.

[@jarkoer]

I haven't seen the movie, but am I correct to say that they tried to adapt a series of books over TWICE as huge as Lord of the Rings into one 90 minute movie? And you don't think you're going to disappoint fans of the books? That's pretty f'n stupid on an epic level. (How all these Hollywood types got into the business and became millionaires by being so epically stupid is mind-blowing.) Should have just made it into a 7-season TV series.

[@MrJoking4fun]

The dark tower: A disappointing failure to make what could have been a great series of movies similar to the scope and affect of Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter.

[@LaloRomeroRCOVER]

Matt McPherson - LOTR sure had a cultural impact, regardless of what you think about it.

[@MrJoking4fun]

I think they were epic, yes. That's my opinion. It's not a controversial opinion, either. I grew up watching LOTR on VHS and in theaters, so it is a part of my childhood too. Regardless of whether you think LOTR was epic or not, you must agree that it was a successful series (BTW I am not talking about The Hobbit series) and that was my main point. I think The Dark Tower could have been a successful movie series that could have lasted nearly a decade or more worth of movies.

[@MrJoking4fun]

I don't know what your problem is, man.

[@htimsnedaj4839]

+Matt McPherson en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_The_Lord_of_the_Rings_film_series

[@theartacunoxtreme6885]

MrJoking4fun Not just yours. 99% of the people who have seen the movies loved them. Not sure if this idiot is serious or just trolling.

[@natedogs212]

There was a lot more wrong with the film than said

[@iansmith8132]

Blame should also be put on Akiva Goldsman. Sure, he's credited for A Beautiful Mind and Cinderella Man but he's also the writer for Batman & Robin, Rings, Transformers 5, A Winter's Tale, and Lost In Space. Also, some of his "slightly better film credits" like the Da Vinci Code, Angels & Demons, I Robot, I Am Legend and A Time To Kill should've been huge smashes but they all just fail to become classics--like those films, The Dark Tower should've been EASY to turn into a great film, but he didn't possess the talent to do so... such a shame.

[@brianogilby7220]

Ian Smith true.

[@bahstudd9662]

A big part of me is glad that it hasn't done well. I hope it's left alone and will just be added to King's shit list of failed adaptations. Then in some time in the future someone can come along and adapt it correctly. And yes, with a Roland that's tall, skinny and blue eyed as he is from the books. Long days and pleasant nights.

[@xAntoIRL]

Bah Studd ka is a wheel . Hopefully rolands next journey will be better . (Yknow having the horn now).

[@BugZap98]

Either they stick with the books or give it up, those are their two options.

[@cindyasters]

The books were way complicated so it would be really hard to adapt. It should of been made into Netflix series.

[@DOYLERULES69X]

I hope the TV series doesn't get picked up. The people involved in this "sequel" shouldn't get another crack at it. They Should wait a few years and then start again with The Gunslinger, this time with a talented director, producer and casting director.

[@kimberly8695]

Del Toro would have been a good director pick.

[@BeeBumper]

What makes this source material great is character development and by doing what they did they screwed themselves. How did King let this happen, he's seen it play out many times?

[@TheDazzRat]

King has depreciated into a deranged, sellout, liberal nutjob. Honestly, even reading the Dark Tower books you can see the spiral decline after book 4. Book 5 was entertaining even if blatantly derivative and clumsy. Books 6 and 7 were like reading something from a different author than the one who wrote The Gunslinger. So many of his other books after, say around the late 90's, were beneath contempt and unworthy of the time to read through to the last chapter.

[@BeeBumper]

Dazz Rat I haven't gotten there yet. I read the first 3 when released but haven't read any King since in those first 3 books, one of his own statements in the book was "I'm not sure I'll even finish the series". That pissed me off to no end and I stopped reading him because I felt why would I commit to something he has yet to commit to himself. It turned me off all his writing after that statement. I only recently picked up the first 4 again to read through and so far they don't disappoint as I knew the first 3 didn't, sad to hear it loses something as it goes on but I will commit to the last 4 and see what happens after that, I cut him slack on the Hollywood adaptations a little because this isn't the first time he wanted one thing and they did another.

[@chadeddie]

Who actually looks at the critic rating on rottentomatoes? If anything you should use the audience rating as a better indication of the movie.

[@ceboshembe]

its opening soon in SA, will most definitely watch it the night it opens

[@kevtb874]

Me. Rottentomatoes is an average taken from many sources indicating whether a movie works or not. Simple as that. It works in most cases, of course there will be a few you, me and everyone disagrees with. That's how averages work. If the genre is something you have a soft spot for or if you love the source material then fair enough, don't let the reviews stop you. But don't ignore be surprised at the genral consensus. Usually people who say they disagree with critics all the time are the same people with questionable taste.

[@brandonpick1486]

Rottentomatos is a horrible site like 90% of the ratings on there are just completely wrong. Like the fact that iron fist got like a 0% or some shit and that show was amazing. And same with dark tower I've read the books and I thought they did a great job on the movie. Granted it's a lot different from the books but not by any means a bad different.b

[@brandonpick1486]

I dont listen to critics or people's opinions on movies, games, or music. Because I've had people tell me so many times that a movie was horrible and I watched it any ways and it turned out to be the best movie ever. Or just really fucking good. And then I have people tell me a movie is great and then I watch it and its horrible. So my point is never listen to critics or your friends when it comes to movie the only way to make sure is to just go watch it your self and then judge it your self

[@kevtb874]

Brandon Pick but it is a weak movie. By any standards. Like a 6 or 7/10 at the VERY most. More like a 5. And 2 of those points are for Idris Elba and the fact it had some decent production values. The rest is just weak storytelling. The movie seems like it was cut up and thrown together messing up the pacing and losing half the plot and tension in the process (because that's EXACTLY what happened). If you like it fair enough but like I say if you find yourself disagreeing with the general consensus (made up of all sorts from respected film critics, newspapers, magazines and public opinion) more often than you agree with it PERHAPS the problem isn't Rottentomatoes but the fact that you like formulaic standard fair that is rightfully seen for what it is. Maybe when you grow up a little more and watch more films and appreciate what truly good films are, then maybe you'll see the difference. Maybe then you'll recognise regurgitated cookie cutter mediocrity for what it is. That's what this film was. Not good. Not bad. Just middling which is disappointing considering the source material and the names involved. It could most definitely have been better. As a well adapted TV show it could have become the new fantasy show to replace GOT. It could have been a juggernaut. It could have had everyone talking. It could have been fucking great. As it stands it's a forgettable super short bog standard chosen one story. Maybe you really do think this is a good-great film. That just tells me you haven't watched enough good films to make a solid comparison. Otherwise it does not compute. otherwise. Of course this might seem OK if your diet of films consists of superhero movies and tween fiction.

[@jorydahungrychubs9325]

What went wrong: The main villain shopped at Hot Topic, and was played by Matthew McConaughey.

[@blaqblack2233]

Matthew Mcconaughey & Idris Alba did great work. The film is highly under appreciated. Loved it.

[@lovegod84jesus80]

Blaq Black I agree with you! I enjoyed it and was looking forward to a sequel and how Elba raises the young boy to become a gunslinger

[@veeardy4635]

Why it failed? When a movie tries to follow a hit book series, it has to be as true to the book as is possible. When arrogance prevails, expect the pocket of the stakeholders to feel the pain.

[@charliethmpsn15]

The thing is, I feel like Idris Elba and Mattie Hehe are really good performers who could do great things with these roles.

[@j.t.1280]

I might have not read the books but I loved every bit of the movie!

[@lovegod84jesus80]

SirRavenBat agreed

[@TH31NF1D3L]

Attempting to cram elements from all 7 books, into one movie, is what made it shit. They tried to do too much, without any of the world-building required for those elements. This movie and the DCEU have the same problem. They didn't put in the work that is required to tell a massive story.

[@TheKillaMethod]

The real problem is horrible director

[@michaelmartin8337]

The REAL problem was "liberal" producers and director Okaying this masterP.O.S

[@ting280]

maybe Netflix should step in like hold my beer and fix it

[@JCtheGeek2187]

I personally enjoyed the movie very much and find it very odd that people dislike it. I will say that I have never read any of the novels. I will also say that I think the reason a lot of people have problems with certain movies is it seems more and more these days that people are unable to suspend disbelief long enough to immerse themselves in a cinematic presentation of a story. I am a die hard Tolkien fan, and I know many felt that the LotR and Hobbit movies were terrible (from the standpoint of comparing them with the novels), but I enjoyed them immensely. Maybe I'm just weird, but there are a lot of movies that people hate that I love.

[@noesepulveda5789]

No, you're not weird (but, in the inside, aren't we all weird?).

[@rufioshaw5441]

Read the books...... This is not a criticism that you havent, this is not me being "well you havent read the books so you cant talk" deal. This is just me saying, do yourself a favor, read the books. You will be blown away. It will instantly be one of your favorite reads ever, up there with lotr. I say this being a hardcore lotr fan. Trust me, you wont regret it.

[@mariasmith2198]

What really went wrong is casting a black man for Roland. I would be equally offended if Odetta Walker was played by a white woman. He is described over and over in the book as white, by other characters, and by narrative. Odetta calls him white bread, and ahinkey, and he is described as looking like Clint Eastwood with piercing blue eyes. Discrimination is wrong, no matter who it falls on. If this was their pilot test for Idris as James Bond, this is the answer. NO.

[@macbrebonicks8668]

Because is the Dark Tower next to the deluxe apartment in sky.

[@GunRecon]

Yeah, sorry, the race complaint doesn't get to exist anymore. Not for me anyways. Remember the Hunger Games movie? Rue was described as a dark-skinned character in the book. When she got cast as a dark-skinned girl the world lost its shit, sent death and rape threats to a fucking 12 year old, and made bountiful use of racial epithets. After that, I can never take this complaint seriously again.

[@iflyte]

@@GunRecon that literally never happened to the degree youre describing, youre reaching super hard.

[@the-engneer]

@@GunRecon you obviously have never read the books. Racism is literally a plot point in the series, because a major BLACK character is pushed in front of a subway train and has no legs for the rest of the series, and not to mention she gets hit in the head with a brick from a racist white guy

[@justinhuskey335]

He WAS white in the books. That matters to real fans. You change what they see in their minds.

[@micheltaillefer22]

Elba wasn't bad, Jake was good, the man in black was mediocre. The script was horrible and the editing a mess. I'm just sad that we won't get a good Dark tower adaptation. Its such a great series of novel....too bad. in my opinion Ed Harris would of made an awesome Gunslinger! They should of adapted the first book and the beginning of the 2nd with the 3 doors on the beach. Make it a 2:30hrs movie and continue from there. Fuck! the material is all writing down.

[@EvilDead24]

Logan Ironkutter if Harris was cast, essentially he would just have been reprising his role from West World!

[@BessieRiggs]

grammar nazi lol...good times.

[@brianogilby7220]

Logan Ironkutter agreed.

[@breezyveezy1]

Logan Ironkutter Ed Harris! That's exactly who I was thinking

[@DarkflameAxel]

I thought about Harris being Roland so much while watching Westword, he has the perfect behaviour on, he's only a bit too old. (although Roland does age quite a bit at the end of the Gunslinger).

[@cswor]

Why not just make the Gunslinger? If you do a good job with it, you are set up to make book 2-7 or whatever. I guess if this guys does a remake of Lord of the Rings, it will be all three books rolled into a 90 minute movie.

[@jimbronaugh]

The trailers and the buzz on social media make it sound like they took the amazing concept of the dark tower and turned it into a weekly CBS drama. It is sad that they view Wizards and Glass as a prequel rather than starting with a young Roland and show what the world was leading to. The ending could have been the death of Roland's mother and Roland chasing the dark man across the wasteland. How will they justify a fifty year old black man and Susan Delgado. It is sad when people who only understand money get their hands on other worlds.

[@ImaginationStudios123]

Always follow the books. Never make your own story.

[@DagothDaddy]

What I have noticed this summer is that if the studio plans sequals before the first one is done it's gonna bomb cause immediately that tells me the story of the first one isn't gonna be complete

[@AllThingsFilm1]

The director's idea of keeping The Dark Tower short because he thought of the film as a setup for future Dark Tower stories doesn't understand storytelling. As mentioned in this video, and in my own viewing experience, the film felt incomplete because it incorporated too many ideas that were incomplete in themselves. Telling an incomplete story with incomplete ideas is a recipe for disaster. The approach to creating a feature film experience of the Dark Tower series should've started with the first film focusing on backstory. Maybe recreations of early Dark Tower books, or at least a story that setup the core elements of the Dark Tower series. Who were the Gunslingers? Where did they come from? How were the "portals" created? How was the Dark Tower itself created? I wanted to like the movie. But, by the end of the movie, I had more questions than answers. One last thing. Fuck Rotten Tomatoes. I don't know why anyone quotes that source. Most of the critics on RT wouldn't know a good movie if it fell on them. I don't listen to film critics anymore. Do yourself a favor. Avoid reading any reviews before seeing a film. Just see it for yourself. If you're so anal about what movies you pay for, stick to Netflix, it's cheaper.

[@claytonbyram7549]

Honestly, I don't care about reviews. I am still going to watch it.

[@BlazinNSoul]

What do you expect they tried to cram 8 books into a 90-minute film lol. There was no way they were going to pull this off. Here's a word of advice to Hollywood. If you're going to take on a project like this. Get somebody in there that knows the hell what they're doing. Take your time to build up the story. To create a world in which the Dark Tower deserves to be. Not some one-off hack which no one will remember.

[@SusansHappyHomestead]

I'm SO glad I made the decision not to go see it... it would have ruined 40 years of SK's works for me.

[@GavinJ37]

First Sony ruined Ghostbusters...and now Dark tower. Get rid of Tom rothman immediately

[@jubilexmusic]

I just finished the first book of the series and when I'm reading, I picture an anime. Just the fluidity of the gunslinger and how he moves and everything. Idk. An anime would be dope, they could go bananas with the blood and all that jazz

[@ProsperousHobo]

Elba is an amazing actor, sucks they under utilized him with a short script.

[@brianogilby7220]

Kevyn J short and badly written. Yes, a huge shame.

[@HarPlayer]

saw it 2 day the best part was when Matthew McConaughey was in the kitchen and took off his cooking apron LOOKS SO COOL WHEN He does it

[@lovegod84jesus80]

James G him and Elba played great roles! I enjoyed the movie

[@muskokamike127]

I've seen enough of the movie to say: they missed the point and made it just another BS special effects movie. What made the dark tower books, and all of king's books great, is the story. Not the special effects, not the wow look at that, the story....the characters.....and failing at getting actors who FIT the description of the characters correct, doomed this project right from the very start. If they'd stuck by the books, and what made them great, they would have had a hit....instead? corporate movie making took over and ruined it.....again.

[@trevorriches2498]

They really missed an opportunity with the video title. They should've put "What Toppled 'The Dark Tower'"

[@halfdemonprince]

Did they ever consider working with Stephen King on how to properly execute the movie since he wrote the book?

[@N7Tigger]

"Well, we pissed everyone off with how unfaithful an adaptation it was. So then we called it a sequel and now everyone is pissed off that we didn't just adapt the books. So what are we going to do with the TV series? Start with book 4 of course." There aren't enough facepalms in the world.

[@anunimportantcomment1983]

Saw the movie with no knowledge of any of the books beforehand. I dont think the movie was in any way bad it was pretty run of the mill. Action was allright, story was allright, everything was just allright. Movie was short and if this movie was given 2-2:30 hour run time i think the movie couldve delved a bit deeper into these characters and do a bit more world building to try and make the action(which was actually pretty well done) feel like it meant something. I liked the casting its just a shame because it appears that there's a great story to be told from what im seeing in the comments and these actors couldve given us something more worth our while emotionally. All in all not a "bad" movie it was fun while it lasted just ultimately very forgettable. 5.5/10

[@suchaguf8974]

I've read the books many times and always envisioned Clint from the very first book (as Stephen intended) only option now is to wait 20 or so years for him to age and remake it with his son Scott. Hollywood should remake the bad movies, not the good ones.

[@jackieviolet3375]

I myself enjoyed the movie,Stephen Kings books do, by far over succeed the movies. I have been a fan of Mr.King for over 35yrs now,and have read every book he came out with,currently I am reading his new book,"End of Watch".....this is my opinion......Have a great Day!!!!🤠 BTW it's a movie folks relax!!!!!!!

[@niallreid7664]

Hello Jackie. Is it worth reading do you think? Interested to hear your thoughts on it.

[@jackieviolet3375]

Absolutely, the books are well done!!!

[@WarlockInTraining]

Agreed. Read the books, graphic novels from Marvel which kick ass btw, and still enjoyed the movie. My son who fell asleep during Avengers stayed awake here and said he liked the film. Cant be all that bad lol.

[@jackieviolet3375]

I loved all his books ,except "Tears of a Dragon".........Insomnia is a really great read!!

[@Sarmatae1]

JackieViolet - It's called "Eyes of The Dragon" Miss I've-been-a-fan-for-over-35-years. And if you enjoyed this movie, it's clear as day that you never even read the Dark Tower series.

[@davidbuswa9425]

"The Dark Tower" was too immense to tell on film. It should've been a t.v. mini-series on Netflix or HBO

[@bigscarybaldguy1429]

Lol, leave it to Hollywood to make a 95 minute movie about a world developed over 7 1,000+ page novels.

[@Andrewmarkkirk1976]

So want to see this done right! So much potential for a quality TV & film series ! Get it together guys!!

[@maxpalombella11]

Sony needs to stop making films. Enough said.

[@lShishkaBerryl]

They made 8 Harry Potter movies, this needed 8 movies as well. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much plot to slam into 2 hours.

[@srdjanvitorovic5795]

Viggo Mortensen would still be the perfect for the main role...

[@rufioshaw5441]

Srdjan Vitorovic couldn't agree more, always pictured Roland as a aragorn but in cowboy attire.

[@sweetnightmare1191]

I've read the dark tower books and I gotta say when I watched the movie it wasn't that bad not saying it was good but it kept me entertain. Hopefully they make a part 2.

[@Fiver565]

Sony should have just based the film on the first book... if it's too confusing for some people than they can read the material it's based off of... libraries are a thing and King is a popular author. film studios should not be touching book adaptations for just a quick buck if the gunslinger was in the hands of a studio that honestly cared for the material things would have turned out better :/

[@lunarcat632]

Glad that they're going forward with the tv series, it seems like it might be better in that medium rather than a film. They can dwell on world building more easily.

[@Drew791]

Too bad that fell apart too :(

[@rynothealbinoryno]

It was visually stunning and Idris did a great job. I really wanted to like it but it strayed way too far from the source material, should have been rated R, would have been better as a series, and made Walter too campy. Oh well, at least we still have the books.

[@brianogilby7220]

Electrichead 65 agreed.

[@Menaceblue3]

Just saw the dark tower earlier this afternoon. It was entertaining in my eyes and the audience seemed satisfied. Never read the novel series from Mr. King though my opinions are my own.

[@lovegod84jesus80]

Menaceblue3 I enjoyed the movie and was looking forward Tj a sequel with edris Elba! Showed a young man without a father figure and he is introduced to an amazing black gunslinger who basically at the end becomes like his dad and will teach him how to on be a gunslinger all the while keeping us powers. I don’t know if I’ll like it without elba....he played a fantastic role and I’m curious how it would be as he trains the boy to become a gunslinger

[@mkocel]

You must've LOVED the transformers movies. YAY MOVIES FOR DUM DUMS

[@beatjunkybg]

How about an asian woman for the role of Roland in the Tv series?

[@staticraichu7329]

The movie is actually half-decent if you've read the books. I loved the movie

[@mattgrundy27]

Harry potter is now a black girl, jesus is a polar bear, batman is transgender, and luke skywalker is now a gender fluid a sexual. You think people would be mad? Get it yet?

[@random_duck1]

I just dont understand why King made us imagine Roland looking something like Clint Eastwood for decates to change him so drastically. I cant see Idris and imagine him as Roland, I am not used to his image as Roland.

[@JTsavage7577]

If theyre white, stay white. If theyre male, stay male. STOP DOING THIS TO OUR FILMS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!

[@GunRecon]

Yeah, sorry, the race complaint doesn't get to exist anymore. Not for me anyways. Remember the Hunger Games movie? Rue was described as a dark-skinned character in the book. When she got cast as a dark-skinned girl the world lost its shit, sent death and rape threats to a fucking 12 year old, and made bountiful use of racial epithets. After that, I can never take this complaint seriously again.

[@vegan417]

There's not much of a difference

[@Chipwhitley274]

The television series, with the intent to tell the story in the timeline of the books, and to be more faithful to the novels... will fail due to the decision to have Idris Elba reprise the role.

[@jackstraw732]

Can we just start with the gunslinger n work from there

[@ryandeffley7652]

I haven't seen TDT yet. But I was surprised to see that it's only 95 minutes. With that much source material, you'd think that it'd be a longer movie.

[@leighfoulkes7297]

Wow, I keep reading "everyone is just too PC and they going over the top with this PC crap." Yet, I read the comments in this section and I'm just shocked at how raciest everyone sounds. Roland being white wouldn't have saved this movie, Roland being black wouldn't hurt the story from the books that much(specially if they are not even doing a movie for each book) and placing one black guy in a movie isn't being PC (specially given that Idris Elba is such a great actor). People need to just take it easy and relax.

[@andrewdornan492]

Also Idris Elba is a terrible actor

[@jewsdontwanttobegassed7226]

If they made a WW2 movie and made Hitler black, and this provoked a backlash, would you find that racist? Sometimes, the race of a character actually matters. It would be different if they took a character from a story where race isn't a factor and changed the race.

[@Skynetexe]

a WW2 movie would be based on actual history which is fact. so yes race would matter. This movie is based in a FICTIONAL book. so no race does not matter. the ppl who are getting butthurt about the gunslinger being black, yes i do believe has some racist undertones. otherwise it would not be a big deal . but to go outright and say casting a black guy as the gunslinger ruined the movie where clearly there were more important factors that didnt make the movie a huge success is pretty racist to me.

[@jewsdontwanttobegassed7226]

They are pushing for diversity in Japan, but the Japanese are smart enough to reject it.

[@mesmer3780]

True, but black-facing him didn't do it any favors (especially with Elba, the man has 5 facial expressions and 3 of them are a confused, slightly cross-eyed stare). Most people don't like the race, gender, age, or sexual orientation of their favorite characters changed, and that's just how it is. Respect a character as they were created. Changing them just makes it look like you think poc characters can't achieve fame on their own.

[@abc64pan]

My, my, all these "highly anticipated" movies that I didn't know about, based on novels which I didn't know about. Guess I should step out of my cave some times.

[@AIKIDOJRA]

It started with the terrible casting, and nobody will say shit because of fear of being tagged as a racist! Roland was created with the likeness of a rugged Clint Eastwood in mind ( ask Stephen King ), Idris Elba is a great actor but he is not Roland, and as much as I like Matthew Mcconaughey he is also a bad choice for the man in black, heck he might have been better as the Gunslinger himself

[@estell3]

Did anyone else watch just to see Idris Elba in it? My friend and I saw it today..... That was the only reason I watched it tbh

[@lovegod84jesus80]

Estelle Loraine me too! He was fantastic and a great gunslinger! The young boy really played a good role and I would have loved to see him grow up under Elba and become a gunslinger too. He adopted the kid and it really made me smile..... 👍

[@kjvail]

A movie based on a Stephen King book sucked? Who would've guessed....

[@Aprilfool3333]

Said nobody ever! LMAO

[@skendrix7]

Shawshank Redemption, Stand by Me, The Shining, Misery.....all great films. IT looks very promising as well.

[@noesepulveda5789]

Except that Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of "The Shining" took many liberties from the source material. So many in fact, that Stephen King took the horse by his reins and went to make a full mini series that was more faithful to the book.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

From the trailers, it felt like a plain Blade sequel

[@TheOutlawHatfield]

I loved the way you avoided the single biggest reason this movie and any TV series based off this movie will fail... Roland isnt supposed to be a black guy.. Changing that one aspect of the characters in the movie totally screwed up some of the biggest plot points of the three books following the first book.. They need to scratch the whole damn project and start over with someone that will actually make the movie and or series the true fans want.. The story is there, the plot is there. All that's left is finding someone with enough guts to make the movie and do its right.

[@Princess2Warrior]

+cad80 24 *Dude...give it a rest - you know he's right.*

[@GrimmWarrior19]

Cad, you're pissing in the wind saying we're racist. The Dark Tower series is supposed to have racist elements, it is part of the story and something that gets dealt with by the characters. Hell, an interracial couple is even born from all that hate, so dry your snowflake tears already! By painting Roland black, they've completely killed off the TRUE strong black character of the story and set the stage for a guaranteed blockbuster FLOP in the future. THAT is what we're mad about, the story not being told as it was written, this isn't some minor change like with the Jurassic Park and Lost World books by Michael Crichton.

[@Chipwhitley274]

"cad80 24" Two wrongs make a right? I am white, and I object when movies are white-washed... I believe it is completely understandable for people to complain that a movie is white-washed. And I will equally object to black-washing... I am consistent. But everyone who get's up in arms about white-washing, but then defends black-washing... are hypocrites.

[@geeleeggan]

I knew nothing about the story and was entertained by the movie, maybe having no bloated expectations was a good thing

[@DeltaVTango]

I knew it was gonna suck

[@jasonwilliams3128]

Years I've waited for this... The only King series I enjoyed, and your telling me they botched it? /sigh Should have done it on HBO like GoT.

[@tmac6936]

Movie looked like shit, didnt even have the slightest of interest going to watch that in theater.

[@FeralSoulSociety]

BULLCRAP. THE MOVIE was GREAT. Loved every moment of it. It wasn't lack luster. Great story.

[@Conan0Brady]

But but but but Idris Elba. White washing bad, black washing good? We're not racist, we love Idris Elba. LMAO

[@Sykohsis]

Hollywood pushes for diversity, but only when that diversity means the exclusion of whites.

[@darkashtar]

Sykohsis I guess you forgot about Tom Hardy playing Bane in Dark Knight Rises, or Emma Stone in Aloha, Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow, the white guy in Dragon Ball Evolution, Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffanys, Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra, many others

[@socalsp3]

Is that why most oscar nominated movies and tv shows are white

[@thulsadoom3658]

"Exclusion of whites" 99% of the film's cast were white...

[@johngotti4286]

socalsp3 that's because they are actually good actors

[@Valnoten]

Getting an ad for The Dark Tower before this clip! :D

[@PlanetXerox]

I would love the movie if JJ Abrams directed this instead of Star Trek or Star Wars.

[@jonanderson5137]

Smart enough to know he couldn't pull it off.

[@magneto9210]

As someone who loved the Force Awakens, he should stay far, *far* away from the Dark Tower.

[@braveintofuture]

Howto make a novel adaptation movie: -Get all the books. -Leaf through the books to get the names of some characters and locations. -Ignore the books. This is now your story! -Make up a story you like and include the characters and locations. -Add some references to movies you enjoyed which have nothing to do with the novels just because it's cool. -Find some actors to play the characters. The books are not general knowledge? Then use some well known actors so the general audience can get connected to the movie. -Now hire the original author to be included in production to please the fans. -Don't let him screw up your story. Remember: This is your story!

[@TheBatman2022DC]

Funny how people say they like Idrees Elba but they just aren't willing to pay to watch him, he was in Pacific Rim and that film didn't do all that well sony would be crazy to give him Bond after this flop.

[@TC-st9nt]

Batman Superman Well he was great in The Wire. But you cant cast him in a role meant for Clint Eastwood, thats just stupid.

[@Nugz89]

Batman Superman that's 2 movies of his you named lol there's so many more than those bud

[@kung-fu-kevin]

His performance was good . You cant always blame the actor for the movie failure

[@kingmerck1538]

How did Pacific rim did not do well? The movie had a budget of 180 mill, and made 411 mill in the box office, and it has mostly positive reviews

[@greatnatebolton8805]

Batman Superman yeah, dudes been highly regarded in numerous other shows & movies. Stop it. Instead of focusing on who should be Bond, Sony needs to concentrate on actually making good Bond films again. Poor Daniel Craig got the shit end of the stick.

[@shinflagg]

Put all ths what was mentioned in the video aside and that I still think, that Idris Elba was a bad cast for Roland, the absolutly worst thing they have done in this movie was putting Jake in the position of the main character and Roland into the position of a next character. The script righter of this film has either never read the books or he have read them and he hates them and all of their fans.

[@Blade_Runner152]

Mathew McConaughey was offered a Marvel role but turned it down for this flop house.

[@tiaaaron3278]

Because he's an idiot.

[@Butane9000]

I didn't even realize it'd actually released to theaters. I thought we had months to go.

[@marcinswiatko4205]

What went wrong? Black Roland!!!!! What about white Luke Cage or better white Luther King, make Channing Tatum play him.

[@timewarriorsaga]

Tatum sucked, and nothing wrong with a black Roland, Especially if it is Idris Elba, man has a great presence, like Roland. Problem was the story telling

[@jabotjab6239]

johnjohnson no Idris Elba suck. Idris Elba play in a movie and you can be sur that this movie will flop

[@RumrunnerAdventures]

Not to take anything away from Idris Elba, but the books clearly state, several times, Roland's pale skin and cold blue eyes

[@OG_Fernando]

Completely effing agree. Looper lost my subscription...not that it cares. Yet by skipping over the #1 reason...the damm elephant in the room...Looper lost it's balls.

[@OG_Fernando]

@@timewarriorsaga So nothing wrong with a white guy taking over Wesley Snipes role in the Blade Films? Nothing wrong with a Asian playing Black Panther? Smfh.

[@normgillespie4201]

I started reading the dark tower series many years ago. The back story of Stephen King finishing the series after his near fatal accident is fascinating. The stories of people pleading with him ti finish the series before they literally died is what encouraged King to finish the story as only he could. Yes, this movie left a lot to be desired. I still enjoyed it to a degree. That said, the ring series saw uts share of attempts before Peter Jackson gave us a tremendous accomplishment. I have hope somehow,someway a group come along that can do justice to this tremendous saga. This trip is far from over

[@gallegal1971]

I liked the Dark Tower.

[@lovegod84jesus80]

Allen Gallegos me too! I didn’t read the books but the movie was excellent

[@hexkwondo]

Despite my low expectations for this movie, I actually liked it.

[@TheCelticTiger32]

I was so in to watch this and then the trailer showed the gunslinger go to New York. It felt more like a wacky adventure then a serious fantasy. I mean that's basically the exact same plot as the animated/live action film enchanted. If they had have kept the setting in that weird wasteland and never have shown earth, I would have been all in. It could have been the next Lord of the rings. Fucking dumbass producers, trying to please everyone end up pleasing no one

[@Tylerl128]

Netflix should make a tv version 7 seasons at least. lol the books were amazing and someone need to give it tv justice!

[@TheSpanishzombie]

So many big movies are bad these last years, valerian, this one, bat v supes, suicide squad, the mummy, it seems just great directors make great movies, like baby driver or dunkirk, hollywoon need to wake up

[@zjakhaaniaaskew4037]

I still loved it...

[@DoubleGoon]

Idris Elba made Roland look *fucking badass!* I was really looking forward to this movie. It is too bad the script couldn't deliver.

[@WarlockInTraining]

I agree. Roland was totally BAMF in the action scenes, and Elba really capture that obsessed Gunslinger attitude and swag.

[@storiesreadaloud5635]

>Idris Elba >Badass No.

[@DoubleGoon]

+SRA Haters going to hate.

[@jrex3]

Roland didn't need the help of a two bit actor to make himself look badass. If they had actually read the books that is.

[@DoubleGoon]

+JG Sorry, but Elba is no "two bit actor" and obviously an improper casting can ruin any character. Though that wasn't the problem here, despite the very vocal minority seem to believe.

[@BOBOLAMA]

Love the book series, should have started with book 1. The Gunslinger.