What's holding "Skeleton Crew" back? | What would get the Sequels retconned? | And more questions

[@abdizur8765]

Apathy is Death... that's why... We just don't care anymore and Disney only has themselves to blame.

[@achaudhari101]

Your apathy means nothing Kennedy Acolyte. Your master isn’t going to stay at LucasFilm forever.

[@goufr3540]

So true there, became apathetic to Disney Star Wars years ago and I just now sit back and watch Disney make an ever growing dumpster fire. Might have to grab some marshmallows.

[@abdizur8765]

@@goufr3540 Yup and that's the sad thing too because I've heard SC is pretty good, but that would entail subscribing to D+ and I'm not doing that. Make it more accessible and I might give a damn disney but don't count on it.

[@achaudhari101]

@ Except that doesn’t make sense since it’s not a corpse.

[@goufr3540]

@@achaudhari101 Its well on its way to dying, especially with how apathetic the public has become to Disney Star Wars.

[@Xanman64-p6q]

Disney shows are held back because they are on Disney+. People just aren't gonna give the Mouse a dime after killing SW.

[@Needler13]

Also a huge reason. If my brother literally didn't hit me up and went "my girl made me get disney, heres the account if you want to use it", i wouldn't even bother.

[@achaudhari101]

Except for one thing: The franchise isn’t dead.

[@goufr3540]

@@achaudhari101 Yet.

[@captainDJ87]

​@@achaudhari101 it's certainly on life support

[@dadetomric]

When over 60% of the people polled said that they aren’t interested in even watching the show. Then that tells you that Star Wars is definitely in a bad place.

[@theprodigalknight7156]

Disney is paying the price for their lack of vision.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

😂😂😂😂

[@MMZERO9]

Literally.

[@Mouse_Metal]

I think you spelled cultural vandalism wrong.

[@TheMoneypresident]

Yeah stock prices are ten to twenty times higher than the nineties.

[@Shinyolo]

Yeah it's not hard to understand. Disney means shit in my head nowadays, so why bother watching shit ? It's pretty simple. Unless they release a masterpiece of a movie (which won't happen), or sell the IP to HBO, Star Wars is dead to me.

[@captainDJ87]

All roads lead to the sequels. Its a dead end SW fans don't want to commit to. Leave it to Lucasfilm to remain tone deaf

[@winterpull]

Well said

[@rangerone8813]

Thor, people will forget what you've done but they'll never forget how you made them feel. Disney destroyed the spirit of Star Wars through their treatment of the entire cast of characters and all of the major story elements of the OT and to every appearance they did it gleefully, with malice, happily blaming US for everything. I haven't heard one Disney exec admit they did anything wrong or that they intend to change course. Skeleton Crew is one of Disney's best offerings, but frankly it's a mid piece of work compared to the OT and Prequels. The classic novel Treasure Island, Harry Potter and Stranger Things could stand on their own because their young protagonists faced real mortal danger. Not so much in Skeleton Crew. If mainstream Star Wars had been handled correctly, it would be an interesting side dish around the same level as the Ewok / Droids Adventure Hour. It's not enough to bring Star Wars fans back in, and I don't think anything will be until they undo what they've done in the Sequels.

[@Christofer_tTt]

💯

[@DannsProductions]

What's holding "Skeleton Crew" back? It's a kid show that is was released at the wrong time. A time where Star Wars is not in a good state.

[@samuelwallace2782]

Its kind of a kids show, but it's really more for fans of both star wars and 80s style coming of age adventure movies. It's Goonies in space.

[@DannsProductions]

@@samuelwallace2782 And that's the problem.

[@samuelwallace2782]

@DannsProductions I mean, it depends. I like it. A lot of people do. If the Acolyte hadn't bombed so spectacularly, Skeleton Crew could be like many other Star Wars shows. Fun, but not mandatory viewing. But it's been poisoned by the deserved negativity towards Disney

[@onlyonestarwarsfan5337]

“It’s a kid show” then what in the hot holy hell was Star Wars originally? Good lord.

[@DannsProductions]

@@onlyonestarwarsfan5337 That's not what I meant.

[@stevehaney344]

I fall into the "this just doesn't interest me" camp. It might be a good show it's just not what I'm interested in. I'm certainly not restarting my D+ subscription for it.

[@thomaslacornette1282]

It not interest me at all same, but i have lot of time, so i watched it and the episodes are better and better (the two first were pretty lame but was decent). In the end its definitely good enough and consistent to be entertaining and to want to look the next episode. It is way better than Book of Bobba Fett. As exemple i never gave a chance at the Acolyte. It's a good show (especially compare to what we get before) but still it's not crazy good either. And indeed i didn't pay for this ^^😉 Let's say it's the minimum acceptable quality we should accept from Disney for SW.

[@stevehaney344]

@@thomaslacornette1282 I'm glad it's good and I've seen enough good reviews to believe there's something there. It's just not my thing.

[@paulemge9156]

I will likely watch when I resubscribe for Andor. Nothing but Andor is getting me interested in subscribing to D+

[@donfarang]

I feel the same. I was interested in Andor because of all the buzz but I waited until it came out on DVD and got it from the library. Not gonna subscribe to D+ just for one show. I've heard good things about the latest Bad Batch and I'll probably get a library loan for that too.

[@thomaslacornette1282]

@@donfarang bad batch is very ok, many episodes are fillers but the overall story is interesting.

[@irishtank42]

In the end all roads lead to 7-9. That's always a hard pill to swallow for many.

[@achaudhari101]

Or you can pretend it doesn’t exist those three movies.

[@jip5889]

@@achaudhari101and solo, and obi wan, and boba fett, and acolyte, and ashoka. Thats a long run of shit shows.

[@Shinyolo]

@@achaudhari101 But you can't as long as they are canon, everything that Disney makes that is before ep 7-9 has no consequences to the main plot of that age. They need to say it's not canon anymore, so people can dream of a better ep 7-9 era with another main plot which is good.

[@winterpull]

100%

[@achaudhari101]

@@Shinyolo In your mind you can.

[@DarthEvilicus]

The cycle of Disney Wars: Disney makes shit> fans are blamed and leave> Disney actually makes something good> people don’t care> Disney makes shit

[@trevorrogers95]

The ouroboros. Snake eating its own tail.

[@Shinyolo]

What a shame. If only they could stop being so arrogant and let people who cares about Star Wars make good movies/shows. It's obvious why Andor, Mandalorian (first 2 seasons) and Skeleton Crew are good shows, Disney didn't believe it would be a massive hit, so they didn't care and let the people in charge do what they wanted with it. Every massive Star Wars project failed though, that's not a coincidence.

[@hansallen2708]

While a Disney SW show might be good on its own, the problem is that it is part of the Disney canon and therefore has all the baggage of crap that cones with being part of the Disney canon.

[@trevorrogers95]

I don’t even want to give one cent to Iger and Kennedy.

[@crossfire34]

Disney will never retcon the Sequel Trilogy. They would sooner burn the whole company down than admit defeat.

[@MMZERO9]

Even if retconning the sequel trilogy would help their bottom line?

[@crossfire34]

@MMZERO9 They proved they don't care about the bottom line several shows ago by doubling down on them.

[@petriew2018]

@@crossfire34 yeah, whether they care about it or not doesn't matter, because in the end no money means no job. You can only piss away 300 million dollars a show so many times before nobody's willing to give you another 300 million... Even if Iger and Kennedy are willing to let this company burn for their foolish pride, it's the shareholders that get to decide if they'll let them.

[@trevorrogers95]

@@petriew2018 BlackRock will make up for their lost profits with ESG.

[@petriew2018]

@@trevorrogers95 why would they, though, when it's clearly done nothing but cause immense backlash against the things they believe in? i know people want to overly simplify this, because it's the internet where any smooth brain can feel like they've actually got something to add.... but no, this literally cannot go on forever because nobody benefits from it going on forever.

[@Lilac-and-Gooseberries]

Hey Thor, I know the popular theory for Jod is that he’s a survivor of Order 66 but what if he’s actually the son of a former Jedi? Given his age I’m not sure if the parent would be an Order 66 survivor but perhaps someone who left the order during the Clone Wars. He seems older than Luke & Leia, though not sure how long after RotJ this takes place. Being raised by a former Jedi could be why he has basic force training and knew the saying about attachments, though in his own twisted way. Perhaps the parent was hunted down by Inquisitors or Vader while Jod was still young, so he had to learn to survive on his own. There was a casting leak for a character called Nina Na Nawood, who was also listed as a Jedi. She could be Jod’s mother or possibly his sister. Though it could also be a false leak, I just thought it would be a more interesting idea than yet another Order 66 survivor.

[@Shrike1988]

No one cares

[@IrishNigerian]

@@Shrike1988 Because Thor’s channel is full of apathetic old guys who likely have hated Star Wars since the prequels and wonder why George left after relentlessly bullying him over them.

[@MCsCreations]

The issue, Thor, is that Disney wants to make money with Star Wars. That's why they bought Lucasfilm. And they won't be able to do that while the sequels are still there. And I'd say more: they know this and that's why we don't have a Rey movie in production. The only thing they don't know yet is how to do it.

[@trevorrogers95]

I’m convinced Bob Iger bought all these properties to destroy them. He cannot create, only destroy. He is a destructive man, of a destructive lot.

[@50043211]

Ahh yes, George Lucas, the man who invented "full merchandise commercial rights" was only in for the good of humanity! The profit motive per se is not the problem, its how it is implemented! And as it turn out The Holy Spreadsheet only creates garbage.

[@Shinyolo]

Selling the IP is the only move they can do, if they want for people to care about Star Wars again. Problem is, it's not in their interest, so they won't. Let's enjoy our casual 1 out of 10 okish/decent show from them, cause that's all we'll ever gonna have until they sell the IP.

[@semperterra3235]

I suspect the problem is that making money from the Star Wars brand is not as easy as Disney assumed, but I actually think they would struggle to optimize even if Kathleen Kennedy had got the boot when Lucas got his billions. A big problem is that creators are severely limited by the the overarching mythology, which they must adhere to. It is similar to Tolkien's work, people want more, and will pay for it, but it's just not possible to deliver what they demand.

[@dragonmaster1360]

It's Disney. After what they did to SW, I won't watch anything from them. They could release all the unedited originals and prequels in theaters for FREE and I wouldn't go see them. Even if I could watch Skeleton Crew for free, which, let's face it, I can, easily, I wouldn't watch it. It's crap. It's not SW. It will never be SW.

[@colziecolz6414]

[@shaoronmd]

Disney made me not care about Star Wars. that's all there is to it. I still love the old star wars, even the prequels despite their shortcomings. Disney's "Star Wars"? they killed every little bit of good will there is.

[@jdstudios1912]

It's the solo effect. Make consistent awful content, turn you're fanbase into a toxic cesspool and insult anyone who dares criticise you. Nobody is gna stick around for that.

[@MKempICI]

Watch-time just feeds the Disney beast. The only way to get Disney to retcon the sequel trilogy or to sell the franchise is to convince them they cannot make money from Star Wars.

[@tgtgtgtgtgtg4354]

For me it's just that voting with my view has been the most effective method in showing disney my unhappiness so far. All of the critique from the Fandom has been ignored, just the views matter. I don't want to watch family friendly star wars content. All I ever wanted from Disney sw was revan/old republic related and that in a mature tone. They aren't listening to feedback,they are just listening to numbers. If not watching a good sw show brings me closer to what I wanna actually see I will just not watch it.

[@achaudhari101]

You want anything Old Republic while Kennedy is still there?

[@michaellane5381]

You really aren't getting any closer to seeing that, just closer to not seeing anything more.

[@user45563]

Star wars the name itself is to big to die. If disney "kills" it the second its sold again people will be hyped to see what a new studio can do ​@@michaellane5381

[@kamotrof]

You understand that IF Disney does KOTOR…it will not and cannot be like the KOTOR you know because Disney will NOT pay royalties, and they are not going to set themselves up for a lawsuit. So, it is going to be different from KOTOR and the likelihood of it being any good at all, in that case, is about zero.

[@achaudhari101]

@@kamotrof Not if there is better management.

[@morgansheppy1584]

I’m trying to send a message by ignoring disneywars. Still gonna steal the heck out of Andor 🎉

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Ahoy matey! Not feeding the slop machine either are we?

[@trevorrogers95]

Who in their right mind wants to give Iger and Kennedy a single red cent? Not I, Matey, gyarg!

[@jkdbuck7670]

What's holding it back? I absolutely am FINISHED with Disney Star Wars. if watching The Last Jedi didn't convince you that Disney LucasFILTH no longer cares, I don't know what would.

[@achaudhari101]

That’s a you problem if you’re still here to bitch about it while saying it’s dead.

[@trevorrogers95]

Bob Iger is intentionally destroying our heros and cultural mythos. Very specific people with hidden agendas do this.

[@jeffreyroedel9804]

I cancelled Disney Plus several months ago, just to shed some subscripions. I do want to see Skeleton Crew, but I'm going to wait till all the episodes are out so I can get DisneyPlus for just one month and binge the show all in 2 days.

[@tomradcliff6859]

Smart move, really. Disney for a month would be equivalent to about one movie ticket that provides 2-3 hours of entertainment? If the current quality holds, you are talking 5-6 hours of solid entertainment for an entire family for the same price. A good deal.

[@sivad1025]

I just don't have the enthusiasm to watch more Disney Star Wars. I only paid attention to the Acolyte because it was so comically bad

[@achaudhari101]

You will eventually.

[@trevorrogers95]

@@achaudhari101 Go swim in the Ganges we don’t want to smell you

[@accesscrimea]

No one hates star wars more than star wars fans

[@sivad1025]

@@accesscrimea I don't have Star Wars, I just don't have any interest. Which is how non-fans already feel

[@Oscar-mh7ez]

@@accesscrimeapassionate fans will critique things because they love them and want to succeed but when you eat at a restaurant you wouldn’t praise the kitchen if they kept messing up your favorite dish. Eventually you wont come back even if they fix some of the problems.

[@kaleiohulee6693]

I think the lack of "Big Moments" is more about a lack of creativity and enough familiarity with the franchise to even know how to craft big moments. I would say arguably the biggest moment of Disney's SW was something done in reshoots, the Vader Hallway scene.

[@liljenborg2517]

Big Moments are CHARACTER moments, but Disney’s Star Wars stories have focused much more on the PLOT. This is why the characters in shows like ObiWan, Asokha, and Acolyte do such stupid things is because the plot needs them to to get where it’s trying to go.

[@Ryder_OMEGA]

Disney should've put this show in the cable shows for kids along with Hannah Montana and high school musical. Putting it on Disney plus is wasting time,money, and resources from the good stuff like Andor or the Mandalorian Movie.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

When it comes to Disney “Star Wars” and D- I say… Let it die let it die, let it shrivel up and…who’s with me?

[@trevorrogers95]

Aye

[@darthmop1]

No

[@kalzium8857]

Maybe Disney+ subscriber have lost interest in star wars.

[@fjm9898]

This isent exactly the start wars i want to watch but i am watching it for 2 reasons. One is that is really not bad and second, because its not bad, i want to support it even if its not really my thing. I want to show Disney and support good Start Wars content with my viewing hours. I re-watch Mando S1, S2 and Andor S1 not only because i like them but again show Disney the viewing hours rack up for actually good content.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

I think it's pretty clear that most people aren't watching becasue of previous poor shows. TBoBF, Obi-Wan, Mando S3, Ahsoka & The Acolyte are generally all considered to be bad. People are just over bad content from the Disney era. It will be very interesting to see the Neilson numbers for it and what happens with Andor. Even the Mando movie is probably in danger of flopping at this point.

[@GrievousReborn]

That first guy is not incorrect in his question a Discord server I'm on somebody is refusing to watch it because they see it as a kid show

[@Aetoski]

yep... a lot of people on my server that are lifelong star wars fans know exactly what this is and have no desire at all to watch it

[@BSWVI]

And yet when ANH came out, I was razzed for paying to watch a kiddie show - I was 23 😂

[@dynamicphotography_]

Disney has treated me like garbage over and over again. I don't like to be treated like garbage. I'm not getting behind anything they do. Even if it's considered to be good. --- (Edit: I read the spoiled kid counterargument in the replies, and I have no interest in lowering myself to his childish standards. He needs some self reflection. I stand by my original comment). Peace out.

[@achaudhari101]

Abused becomes the abuser. Pathetic.

[@ChaoticYak1]

@@achaudhari101 How is not watching a show being an abuser? They're not engaging at all. That's their choice. People are not obligated to watch things. This is entertainment, i.e. not necessary. It's supposed to be enjoyable. If they don't enjoy it, then, why should they force themselves to watch?

[@achaudhari101]

@@ChaoticYak1 Abuser in the sense they would hope the franchise dies and makes sure that it does regardless of quality.

[@TheMoneypresident]

😂😂😂😂

[@ChaoticYak1]

@@achaudhari101 That makes no sense. They're not doing anything to Star Wars by what they think. Star Wars is not entitled to their money or their attention. It is not abuse to disengage.

[@davemac9563]

Disney Plus is what’s holding it back. Ironic how a big empire like Disney can’t generate buzz around their shows.

[@NunyaBiznezz-q2v]

D+ needs to fold, there's no reason for it. License the Slop Wars streaming rights to one of the successful, or almost successful streaming platforms.

[@istari0]

@@NunyaBiznezz-q2v Not likely since it is finally profitable.

[@NunyaBiznezz-q2v]

@@istari0 False. The only profitable streaming service is Netflix and that has only been a recent development. Everything else is losing money in hopes of becoming profitable down the road.

[@petriew2018]

@@istari0 no it isn't. Disney itself keeps admitting that it isn't every shareholder meeting by 'projecting' profits instead of reporting them.

[@adion24]

I don't even bother borrowing a Disney+ password

[@CadillacDeMille]

Hey Thor, thank you addressing my question!

[@lonebattledroid4474]

I think the main problem with retconing the ST is that it would confuse general audiences. Best case scenario I can see is Disney quietly recons them (either in a comic or book event where they undo the films with time travel, or in all future stories they simply treat the Sequels like they don't exist), then all future stories would be set either so far in the past or future that it doesn't matter if the Sequels happened or not.

[@amarcellus1714]

Yea I agree. As much as I want them to decanonize the sequels I think they would just cause confusion with casuals and alienate the sequel lovers. Its like a no win scenario. But going to the far future could work. They could jump 150-200 years after ROS and just start with an already established New Jedi Order. Dont mention anything about Rey being the founder. Just let it flow as its own thing and focus on new stories

[@chasethecolors]

Screw general audiences, please the Star Wars fans Nah I do get what you’re saying though

[@EnragedTofu]

All I’m gonna say is, as an extremely bitter 80s Star Wars kid, I haven’t liked much the last 30 years except for Rogue One, Andor and the first two seasons of Mandalorian, but I am really enjoying s Skeleton Crew and it brings me back to being 8 yrs old back in 1983 high off Return of the Jedi and the sheer amount of alien races in Jarvis Palace. It even had me searching for a copy of Captain Eo which I found a remastered version on KZbin.

[@LoveDoctorNL]

Same!

[@arcanoime]

For me, the Ads are killing the expirience for sure

[@citadelli]

It’s actually a good show. The reason viewership is down because Disney spat in the fans face and people have moved on.

[@TheSlackrguy]

Hey Thor! I miss Carrie Fisher. She would always make me feel excited for Star Wars & she would even crack jokes about Star Wars. She seemed to be the most in touch with and supportive of the fans. Looking back, my Star Wars excitement really ended with her death. There hasn’t been anyone in Star Wars to take her place in my heart since her passing. I think Gina Carano filled that hole for some, but then she was unceremoniously let go. I would have had Legends to keep me familiar, but they changed Legend’s SW universe consistency, imo. Is there anyone, currently, who consistently gets you excited for Star Wars? A Star Wars goodwill ambassador if you will.

[@jdstudios1912]

I miss carrie too, she was the best and always put a smile on people's faces

[@reznik232]

Hey Thor, Not sure if you might have already done it, but I was thinking it might be interesting to do a poll asking when your viewers became Star Wars fans. Are they og fans? Prequel fans? Did they get on board in the Disney era? I've often suspected that this greatly affects the way people look at Star Wars. I'm an original "lined-up-in-1977" fan and of course have friends who did the same, and literally all of us have walked away from the Disney era. The complete disaster of the sequel trilogy and Kennedy's subsequent comments that she has absolutely zero interest or intention of making anything for "50 year old men" and similar remarks did the damage for us. We all still love the original films and the preguels (to varying degrees) but we've accepted that Star Wars is no longer for us. And I think this might be at least partially why two thirds of your viewers just don't care enough to watch Star Wars anymore.

[@klaushenna6778]

I feel like this is becoming a common issue for the Star Wars shows. Shows like Andor and Skeleton Crew are incredibly good but fail to interest a wider audience due to their concepts. Whereas shows like Obi-Wan and Boba Fett have that large audience appeal but are just mediocre/terrible.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

I’ve lost a lot of respect for most of my fellow SW who keep coming back for obvious trash like Kenobi, Ahsoka, and The Acolyte, and then refuse to watch Andor because they’re mad at all those other shows being garbage. Then there’s the people who claim to have watched it but hate it because it doesn’t have Filoni’s constantly jingling keys.

[@trevorrogers95]

@@donkeysaurusrex7881 Have fun wading through 9/10ths trash to find the 1/10th of salvaged goods.

[@jonisilk]

If Disney produces good SW content, then it's nothing other than an fortunate accident, resulting from a lack of "proper" oversight.

[@PixelKatana]

You can be a fan of Star Wars and root for it but if you keep giving your money to Disney or making their slop profitable by consuming it how do you expect to see change? As you yourself said, at the very top they only care about money. The word of mouth for SC is great but I just can’t watch until we see meaningful change like KK fired. Yes, broken record but it is still the root cause. She’s gotta be the only one that keeps pushing Rey.

[@toneymitchell1032]

I'll watch Andor Season 2. The last few shows however, burned me, and I'm very disappointed by episodes 7-9. They really did Lucas characters dirty.

[@cj3xps]

My thoughts are, if it's good it will still be good in 4 months when Andor Season 2 comes out. I'll give it a watch then. But I'm not going to resubscribe to Disney Plus for this.

[@hotspur1974]

If the Sequel trilogy gets retconned and KK gets fired, You will instantly get most of the fans back.

[@monsieurcommissaire1628]

Agreed. It's so simple and elementary.

[@Olker8]

I just don’t care about any new Star Wars anymore and it could be episode 3 all over again. But they have to earn me back. A decent kids show won’t pull me back in

[@JonathanNation]

Hey Thor. Bad Star Wars has caused me to hold back on random new series like the Skelleton Crew. The Good press from you and others in the Star Wars Circles caused me to Bing the first 5 episodes of The Skelleton Crew, promote it to others, and will be watching it with my family soon. The biggest issue Dinsey Star Wars has is first inconsistant quality of shows, and second bad marketing of shows that are good (looking at Skelleton Crew & Andor), but the bad shows cuased people less likely to give the good shows a chance.

[@DRivi93]

Just watched it with my family since you said it was looking good! Enjoyed it so far

[@DanzMcAbra]

Like others, it seems, I took your recommendation and watched the 5 currently available episodes. I really enjoy it, definitely a welcome surprise.

[@bruhicusmomentus3060]

Imma be real: I don't care about Skeleton Crew. I don't hate it, and if it's genuinely good then more power to the people who are enjoying it, but I won't be watching it or any other star wars project as of recent. Disney evaporated what good will and investment I had in the franchise and to be blunt I'm not coming back until I see something genuinely new and different, not the same movies recycled into consumer-friendly broad-appealing slop or lazily reused and implemented Legends content appropriated for Disney canon.

[@achaudhari101]

This show IS trying something new.

[@adriandenton6637]

@@achaudhari101 ? Only if you have never seen any 80s childrens adventure films or even stranger things.

[@taunttitan1714]

It's a mediocre show at best people only "Praise" it because Disney feeds us shit so of course when a mediocre show comes out people will think it's "Good"

[@jasonreynolds6643]

They will never retcon the Disney Trilogy. Dead franchise is still dead.

[@justinparker7712]

Hey Thor, when you discuss, and when viewers ask about it, "retconning the sequels", what exactly do you mean? How would a company even go about doing that? To retcon some of its own movies but not others? Would they be the same title but with "Special Edition" attached to the names and just be totally different? How would that not confuse non-fans (the majority of people these days)? Nobody dislikes the sequels more than me, but I think the best we could hope for would be for Disney to ignore them and move on to the time after them once they're finished filling in every little minute between them and the OT.

[@Habu12]

Hey Thor, Disney has no business making Star Wars anymore. They've lost that privilege. Point blank. Done, no matter how good one show or movie it is. If they never sell the IP, that's fine, then the only hope is for a complete regime change at Disney. And that's an even bigger impossibility.

[@ALDO_GOODENS]

Facts. My thoughts exactly.

[@achaudhari101]

@Habu12 Are you drunk? New Year’s is tomorrow.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

@@achaudhari101ooh look, it’s our favorite keyboard warrior. Please tell how many people you have attacked in this comment section already.

[@achaudhari101]

@ How many people still stay despite saying “it’s dead Jim”?

[@rybuds47]

The same people that called us racist for valid criticism? Ya im good dude, id honestly rather just listen to you talk about it. Your opinions are interesting.

[@DustinRea]

Soon it'll be "Thor Skywalker, why some just won't watch" and the answer will be, because Disney killed Star Wars and the fella has to start talking about things like SW fan fiction, vintage EU book stories... Anything but Disneys bullsh!t

[@achaudhari101]

Tourists would say that crap.

[@trevorrogers95]

@@achaudhari101 stay in india

[@achaudhari101]

@@trevorrogers95 Except I’m American. Go on, use a slur towards me.

[@DustinRea]

@@achaudhari101 See? Listen to you two... The fuck does any of what you 2 are arguing about have to do with Star Wars? You both are what Disney has done. You're both here fighting about nothing. Wake up

[@kingrubbatiti1285]

@@achaudhari101 And constantly calling people braindead on here isn't using slurs? I think you need to book yourself onto a self awarness course.

[@skodengaming2477]

The simple point is I am done with Disney star wars, period. They have wilfully destroyed what GL made, with intent. For this I refuse to support, in any way, anything Disney does until/ unless they finally retcon the bs movies and shows they made, which I know will never happen. So, I'll just stay with the legacy books and original movies/ shows pre Disney star wars

[@hankscorpion9939]

Retconning the sequels would make business sense, as it would free up that period of the timeline again, that most of the fans don't want them to go near. it is becoming a gigantic problem in their ability to tell stories. Just get rid of the damn things! They probably won't, but they really should

[@tomradcliff6859]

I would submit the idea that the timeline is still freed up for other action. The first two movies of the sequel took place in the span of a couple days. It's a very big universe out there. Coruscant is still there. Ezra, Ahsoka, Grogu could all be busy in other parts of the galaxy when General Hux starts shooting his big gun and at best return to take part in the final battle on Exegol....or just return a few days later and say "What did I miss?'

[@hankscorpion9939]

@@tomradcliff6859 Well, I suppose technically yes haha. But only if they steer away from the sequels, and don't even include the OT characters in any way. But the sequels would still be the elephant in the room that everybody has to avoid and pretend isnt there

[@DallasSoundGuys]

I appreciate your kindness but also wish you didn’t have to devote half of an answer to ‘and if this isn’t for you then that’s ok too’. Don’t change that at all, I guess it’s just our world today that a message has to include everyone and overly-reassure everyone that I’m not trying to offend by stating an opinion that you may disagree with or feel doesn’t include you and your view. Imagine an un-offendable heart.

[@warborn_inc.]

I agree...its unfortunate that Thor has to essentially give a disclaimer simply for having an opinon that might not be in line with other people's opinions BUT...that is the world we live in currently. People have become such over sensitive babies about everything...they will pitch a fit and try to have peoples reputations ruined if they don't agree with every single thing. I understand why Thor does what he does...but it sucks that he even needs to leave a disclaimer in the first place...but as I stated it's because of the hypersensitive fans" who will go on the attack if he doesn't.

[@OnlyOneKenobi]

The Sequel Trilogy. Or as I call it, _the mortal wound_ 😏 God help this franchise going forward... it shall *never* fully recover. 😏

[@smintili]

Hey Thor, I recently had a thought about a sort-of throwaway line from Qui-Gon where he mentions he's seen pod racing on Malastare and that got me thinking, how did Qui-Gon see a pod race? What Jedi Order assignment or even will of the Force would have brought him to what's essentially Star Wars' Formula 1/NASCAR? And from there I went, what do the Jedi do in their spare time when not on assignment? I know there's sometimes mention in novels etc. of their shall we say hobbies when it pertains to their temple duties, like gardeners or librarians, and we've seen in AotC and ANH that Obi-Wan is no stranger to bars (especially in Clones he looks quite comfortable going for that drink at the bar, I doubt it was the will of the Force that he'd do that :D), so I was wondering if you'd care to speculate a little on what people like Yoda, Windu, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan or Anakin and later Luke do in their non-Jedi duty, non-meditating hours. While typing this I was picturing quiet, calm "Listen to the Will of the Living Force" Qui-Gon being a fan of daredevil sports like racing and in his off hours he's watching stuff like the SW equivalent to MMA fights, stunt pilot shows, pod racing etc. and it'd even kinda make sense in a way for him to have personal interests that, to put it almost obtusely, keep him balanced with his calm Jedi demeanor while being an adrenalin junkie after work hours :D Would love to hear some speculation from you on this, just for a bit of fun really, with your insight into Star Wars I'm sure you could come up with some funny hobbies for these characters. Also on that note, Yoda had to have something to do besides learning how to become a Force ghost between Episodes III and IV... and it obviously wasn't cooking. Love the channel, happy new year and all that!

[@pitafish]

After the last Jedi I just have such little interest

[@svendhooghe6725]

As much as I love the canyon run scene it's Yoda training Luke that's my fav moment. You don't need action every 5 min ! ( waves at new Trek ) In the Dirty Dozen they tell you they are criminals, but show their training so you're still cheering for them. Don't write like the adults are kids, write so kids can learn to adult. Skeleton is sometimes dark, but in a Disney way

[@tomito8896]

I canceled disney+. Too many times disappointed. I will only watch this show if the whole season is finished and it gets good critiques by people I trust.

[@SuicV]

About the big moments, the thing is: they are hard to write. When you have to balance complex plots and emotions, when you have to steer the course of the story in an interesting, satisfying and also logical direction, it takes talent and competence to do so. Perhaps the ones in charge of the wrinting simply realize they don't know how to do it when they're faced with it, and kindda skip over it so they can finish something. Or they are just too incompetent to realize those pontencially big moments are even there to begin with

[@FFS-Vert]

I think the world-building in Skeleton Crew has been good so far, which is more than you can say for most Disney SW. It’s just little mentions of things going on in the galaxy outside of the show’s plot or showing things like a New Republic x-wing that can help. Of course it’s not entirely that simple, but it seems like we don’t get a ton of info on what’s going on in the galaxy post-OT. At least I’ve felt it’s lacking compared to pre-Disney SW. Don’t think they really understand why people like fantasy worlds

[@Wulfyr]

RIP Star Wars,Star Trek and Dr Who. It hasn't been a good year for classic sci-fi. I'm not really interested. Smaller independent studios are bubbling with much more creativity than the major entertainment corporations and they'll who I'll be giving my time and money to.

[@dillonroberts9945]

I wasnt too excited about the show before it came out either, it was more of my gf has her brothers disney/hulu account so I'll throw it on and give it a chance. I ended up really liking it so far, its much better than most of the shows/movies that have came out in the past. Its definitely one to watch if you have kids and its worth a shot if you already have the subscription. It does have its flaws but its a good show, not just a "not bad" show

[@ericl2473]

Stranger Things became a hit because of “Word of Mouth” But it also helps that the show was actually very good. Unfortunately for Skeleton Crew, the show is only average to mildly entertaining. That’s not enough to generate WOM or to over come the drag and antagonism that Disney/Kennedy waged against loyal Star Wars fans. This is a just me speculating, if Andor wasn’t guaranteed a second season, the WOM it generated would have earned them a second season.

[@nikodimus86]

Haven't watched Skeleton Crew, my opinion is that what's holding Skeleton Crew is a franchise or even industry spanning perception, by the customer, of being easily forgettable. These past few weeks I intended to perhaps watch SC if the show turns out to have good word of mouth, but I forgot to even pay attention. Neither has it been the main talking point of shows that cover new shows. The "going on" behind the camera is more interesting than what's in front of the camera. Right now, SW has nothing that can grab the viewers attention. Sure, people said Andor was good. Perhaps, I didn't watch it. Nor do I intend to give it a chance. I don't intend to give SW a chance ever again. Mandalorian was good, initially, but we all know how that ended and with KK still in charge, I don't have any expectations of the next Mando season or movie, whatever it is.

[@pablocasas5906]

I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan, I've only seen all of the movies, the Obi Wan show, the Vision anthology series and even the original Clone Wars miniseries back in the day on Cartoon Network. It's not like I don't like Star Wars, but I'm not interested in the Expanded Universe. The thing about Skeleton Crew is that nobody seems to be talking about this show, apart from some Star Wars KZbinrs like you, but even The Acolyte seemed to have more awareness, even if it was negative attention. Here in Argentina, Skeleton Crew is not even in the Disney+ Top 10 most watched movies/series

[@ralphengland8559]

We have D+ because my wife wants the ESPN sports. I watched the first 2 episodes and promptly forgot the show existed. Its not that I have no interest in the show, its that I have no interest in Star Wars at all. The IP is done for me.

[@caselleknoxiv589]

I’m just done with Disney as a whole.

[@cylonmode]

I feel like you keep doing this same video over and over

[@ianmccombs5624]

The only reason why I'm tempted to watch it is because of you and Sailor Naboo. My sister (a SW super fan who loves _almost_ everything) told me how much I'd love it because we love The Explorers, ET, etc from the 80/90s, but I was still suspicious.

[@LoveDoctorNL]

It’s a real fun watch for me and I had turned away from Disney SW, but this just hits the mark for me

[@Phillibetrus]

they could very easily trial run retconning the sequels by simply making some of the EU books into movies. If they faithfully adapt the Thrawn trilogy, they could test how well it would do. They could even say it is a "Legends" movie and non-cannon in marketing, while in practice they are starting over.

[@Scotty_AU]

To your point about it not being long enough, if its aimed at kids they dont have the attention span or ability to read into more complex themes... That might not have been intentional by Disney cos theyre clowns but to make a show for kids that at least makes sense

[@marajade9879]

I'm watching"Skeleton Crew" and I think it's kind of okay. I'm interested to hear about Jod's Jedi backstory, but not all that intrigued about the At Attin mystery. But this is not what I want Star Wars to be, this is not what I consider "real" Star Wars. This is just a kind of weird crossover fanfiction of Star Wars and Stranger Things. What I want from Lucasfilm is Star Wars that takes itself serious. Why can we not have real "Tales of the Jedi"? So not some tales about Dave Filoni's favourite Mary Sues, but stories about new Jedi characters before the Clone Wars going on missions, solving conflicts, struggling with attachments, whatever. There is so much potential. Why do I have to watch some 80s kids run about in the suburbs instead? I don't get it.

[@ookammi]

disney has spent a decade telling me they dont want me as an audience member or fan, itd be like turning the titanic for me to come back at this point

[@Viper8962]

Even if Disney retcons the sequels. They could make 10 More remakes of the sequel trilogy it wouldn’t matter, until Star Wars is out if the control of Disney and under the guise of people who actually care, nobody will care about it.

[@pherai]

First comment got it. 10 years ago Lucasfilm had a lot of potential stories with bankable characters that people wanted to watch. Now that they’ve burned through all those and mostly left everyone disappointed, why would people give new characters a chance on a show that is seemingly a huge tonal shift from usual SW, if they couldn’t even get Boba Fett right

[@zaros1781]

They Thor, I think what makes it work is that they first made a story for kids and then put it into SW, which really works. It was similar with the CW that was made for kids but had a high entertaining value for adults as well (although you did had to get through the first seasons - which really were just for kids). What is most likely holding justified attention for this show back is just how badly Disney has managed SW: it was fitted in a roster with shows like Ahsoka and The Mandalorian 3, which were all disappointing. The general attitude on YT channels was: 'who's going to bother watching this?', and I was in that crowd as well (I'm one of the people who voted in your polls 'not watching it'). But after seeing plenty of positive reviews I decided to give it a chance and I'm glad I did because I also enjoy it. It would explain why Disney has commented that they see the numbers going up: at first, not that many people bothered with it but with an increase of people talking positively about it more people are giving this show a chance.

[@Kindasortamaybe]

I didn't want to watch Skeleton Crew, but I gave it a chance and I'm really enjoying it.

[@waveman0]

I've been burned too many times and while ever Kennedy is in charge and steering the way Star Wars is headed I refuse to participate. She has no interest in showing me how Star Wars is supposed to be and modern Wars is NOTHING like Wars of yesteryear.

[@wardensworld6308]

I watch with my friend. He has a D+ account because of his daughter, but he loves SW, too, so when she is out of the house, he says he will unsub. Unless Disney really comes with a WOW factor, I will not sub and always watch with caution. So far, I do like Skeleton Crew. It isn't going to make me believe SW is back, but I am enjoying it.

[@QuestionMan]

Maybe if Gunn's Superman makes all of the money everywhere, I can't imagine that retconning won't start smelling sweeter and sweeter to all those money people at Disney.

[@jimbob8840]

They marketed it as The Goonies in space. That's perfectly fine for kids; if I were twelve, I'd be all in. But I'm not a kid, so I'll dip back in when they air Andor season 2. Other than that, I'm out on Star Wars until we get changes at the top and a full reboot/timeline retcon

[@shoyahaaruni]

Its pretty obvious rennod is a weequay. not only is the throne a giant weequay head, but you can even make out the horns on his jaw

[@photonarbiter]

I've been seeing the positive discourse around Skeleton Crew which is encouraging but I already canceled my D+ after all of the ridiculous price hikes and parabolic performance of what they've been putting out over the years. This is the first time in my life where I avoided engaging with the latest SW content, I think I just need a break. I'll get around to it eventually...

[@TheMatatheus]

Hi Thor, knowing the Star War fandom and knowing what really generates money with the fans, we all know that Baby Yoda was a success in its own right, but the charm is already diminished by the meocrity of the script. a company can only lose money up to a certain point and stipulating that kk has at least one more film to intervene do you think maybe they will look for someone like Jon Favreau to take over since he is someone who really understands how to make money if he has control without interference?

[@dbass9544]

The biggest issue I think is D+ subscriptions. Most people who aren't watching skeleton crew dont have the service, so viewership polls on this channel are skewed (I only have it because I'm bumming it off a relative). I only watched two episodes of Acolyte but Skeleton crew on the other hand I'm actually enjoying and plan to finish it.

[@stinker4033]

I’m more interested in Skeleton Crew based on the reviews and responses, but I canceled D+ after the consistent garbage and disappointment - I didn’t want to witness the end of an epic franchise. I’m not renewing unless they can produce quality shows with consistency. We will see…

[@KMort]

In my case, why I'm not watching anything Disney makes, is that unless they stop f***ing up the big stuff with the big characters like the ST, Kenobi, Ahsoka I won't care to watch anything else. But that's just a spiteful and sick-and-tired-of-it reason, I don't really care about SW w/o the Jedi (Andor, though I'm glad everyone who does watch it loves it), Acolyte looked abysmal since it was announced, SC doesn't look at all visually or tone wise like my vibe, but I'll be open to seeing your thoughts on the season as a whole.

[@achaudhari101]

Well Ahsoka isn’t done story wise yet.

[@KMort]

@achaudhari101 no but i sure am done w it😂

[@achaudhari101]

@@KMort That can change.

[@paulmatts2015]

Staples of Star Wars always include: Modern dialogue! Stupid Kids! Ipads! Suburbs! Eye Glasses! Yo ho ho pirates! Backpacks, bus stops, flashlights and Lunch money! Playing with figurines! Babar! The King of the Elephants! Instant Classic!

[@vasheroo]

I'm surprised at the solo disrespect around here. There was some fun stuff in that movie and they included the maw and whatnot. They actually pulled some things from legends. Outside of the droid inserting current day shit into it, I found it more fun than the a lot of Disney sw.

[@qwefg3]

The answer is three fold. 1) Too many bad star wars shows. A lot of people would rather wait for the full series to be over and get a short review rather than watch it all and get burned like most Disney Star Wars live action shows. 2) It is average star wars. Not 'great' or 'bad' star wars... And 'meh' star wars isn't enough to get people back. 3) It is mostly made with the mindset that it is mostly for kids. That sounds bad, but the original Star Wars was made for kids, but it didn't talk down to them. The Ewak adventures didn't do well and it did talk down to children. (old show with live action kids and those bears for episode 6). 4) Its made for kids... Which sort of implies that Lucas Film would rather treat us like children rather than give us a good product. Which we know they can do due to Mandalorian season 1&2 along with the Bad Batch seasons 1-3. And just to be clear... The Bad Batch was made for kids. Being made for kids doesn't mean it has to be made badly. After all Walt himself claimed if you made a show just for kids then your missing half the audience.

[@achaudhari101]

Does it depend on the child, champ?

[@Iamnotspecialandneitherareyou]

Are you seriously asking this question? Ok i will calmly break it down. 1. Things were directed at an audience that didnt care and would never care. 2. The fans and holders of money were insulted and told they were the problem. 3. The stories were bad. Focusing on virtue signalling and an agenda. People can only take so much. We asked for change and were disregarded. We gave up asking and we kept our wallets shut.

[@gildor8866]

Given the different lengths of the episodes (between 25 and 42 minutes) I am not sure that there is a mandated ~30 minutes runtime. They certainly could have added another 10 minutes to the 4th episode if they wanted (also the episode lengths for both Andor and Ahsoka vary between 32 and 50 minutes). That gives me the impression that the writers didn't add more because they are constricted by the runtime but because they did not have anything else they wanted to tell.

[@rawnchydeard4669]

I just don’t care. I have Disney+ for my kids, and could watch. But Star Wars just doesn’t interest me anymore. Weird how I used to go to midnight premieres, buy all the games, and all kinds of other merch. And now I just don’t care anymore. It’s very strange seeing Star Wars and not feeling anything.

[@achaudhari101]

It shouldn’t.

[@QuinlanVoss.]

Dude literally word for word of what you just said I feel. I literally feel nothing towards Star Wars now. These shows are so bad man. I don’t get how people like this show but hey whatever

[@achaudhari101]

@@QuinlanVoss. Or you can try and not be petty about it.

[@QuinlanVoss.]

@@achaudhari101 okay buddy