Watching “The Last Jedi” again after seven years: Will I feel any different?

[@adamjanos2]

The thing I always remember is this comparison: When walking out of Rogue One, it was a festival atmosphere. Everyone was talking excitedly to one another- even strangers were coming up and making comments and laughing with my group of friends while we stood in the parking lot breaking down everything we'd seen. Walking out of TLJ, it was deathly silent. Like walking out of a funeral.

[@ArtooDetour]

It was! 💀

[@DavidWalker1987]

What I remember most from watching TLJ, was the train ride home. The spectacle of the CGI etc had faded and my friend and I were nitpicking already... It was at that point that I realised that my mixed feelings about Lukes arc... were a *really* bad sign. The result of it all, was that I never went to see TROS, that my friend and I watched a pirated version and laughed at it, glad that we hadnt paid to see it.

[@leonardoespino9780]

AMEN! It felt like a funeral march… especially me after buying the collectible popcorn tin… I felt cheated!

[@colorin81colorado]

​​@@DavidWalker1987I actually paid (discount day) to see the raise of Palpatine at my local cinema on the 3rd week. There was a family of four and me in a 500 seats cinema... Half way through the movie I started to laugh and I had to move away from the poor family because I did not wanted to ruin their movie but it was sooo bad I was close to tears of laughter. JJ Abrams obviously had totally lost the plot at that stage and the movie was truely unwatchable! There was a moment when Finn "knows" where the new signal controlling all the Star destroyers is coming from and he is asked how he just knew and he said "it's a feeling!". However, I had answered the question outloud seconds before he said it because it was the stupidity of it all that lead to that answer... That was the moment I lost it and could not stop laughing! It was sad but it felt like it no longer mattered anymore, Kathelene Kennedy (under Disney's approval) had had her go at ruining the franchise and had fallen flat on her face... It was the end of a good run, there was nothing else to say!

[@jamesprumos7775]

"What I remember about walking out of The Last Jedi is... is how quiet it was."

[@dereklopez9060]

Darth Vader: ( Murdered many innocent people and tortured Han Solo and Leia ). Luke: There is still good in him. Kylo Ren: ( Had a bad dream ). Luke: Oh, Hell No! He must die!

[@zshah3107]

👎Luke hated his Nephew!

[@greghoward1197]

If they had SHOWN the vision instead of TOLD us, and in that vision had Kylo maliciously killing Leia, it could have actually worked. Because it's been established that that is the one line that makes Luke lose it. See when Vader mentions his sister and he goes to town. It's the ONLY way they could have made that failure make any sense at all. They failed to do that. As such it completely breaks the character

[@saltyk9869]

@@greghoward1197 The problem is that even after that Luke comes to his senses and refuses to kill his father. Luke gave into his rage and beat Vader, but never went over the edge and would logically learn from this moment of weakness.

[@uncannydanny5682]

Blame this on lousy writing, apparently. >:T

[@HandofOmega]

What the ST doesn't understand is that one of the major points of the OT is that Luke is breaking the cycle of the PT; he successfully becomes the Jedi that both Anakin and Obi-Wan SHOULD have been. By having him repeat their mistakes and story, you just destroy THE ENTIRE POINT of the last six films! Even if you feel you need a Fallen Jedi character, and you want to mine the drama of having that be Luke's nephew and Han and Leia's kid...his fall to darkness CANNOT be Luke's direct fault, or the cycle just starts up again! If only there were some books or something that could have shown them how to do that story RIGHT...

[@Thee_Sinner]

I have easily spent 20x more time watching critiques of the mouse’s Star Wars than I have actually watching the movies and shows themselves.

[@stevindiesel]

Ditto. On the walk back from the cinema I liked how different it felt but have never (before or after) felt so conflicted about a movie. It never crossed my mind I’d end up disliking it because I was trying SO HARD to find ways to justify what I saw. Eventually I realised I had, in fact, just been let down, by what previously felt like my own religion.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

Yep. I even sat through all of Maulers videos about them.

[@Thee_Sinner]

@ …I have watched them more than twice…

[@shinndig1293]

What a miserable existence you must be living.

[@lefthooklarry1348]

Let me save you some time. The emperor is back and Luke dies in a zoom call.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Lol

[@purefoldnz3070]

exactly, he dies alone and from a long distance zoom call. Epic lol

[@noobist85]

You put more effort in this summarization than Disney did in making a compelling series of movies.

[@t.s.adrian8785]

Perfect summery.

[@karekarenohay4432]

And the mysterious Snoke is... nothing important.

[@kalzium8857]

Seven years after the last jedi. The fans have told Lucasfilm that Star wars was on the wrong path. But instead of listening to the audience, Lucasfilm has decided to start a crusade against their audience.

[@AnthologyOfDave]

they really did. How far its fallen because of that too

[@hamiltoncox7651]

The "fans" and the "audience" are not interchangeable. A small part of the audience are "fans". The studios that own these IP's intend to capture the largest audience possible, and if the "fans" object then their objection is weighed against the vast majority of the audience that does not identify as such. TLJ generated hundreds of millions of dollars in profit for Disney so they regard it as a success by their metrics - fandom be damned.

[@silvussol8966]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@hamiltoncox7651 - TLJ only did well because we didn’t know better yet. After TLJ things all those numbers trended downwards. It might have made $ in the short term, but it mortally wounded the franchise as a whole. Disney’s ego blinding them, and their inability to admit their failures and learn from their mistakes is exactly why we are here now. And literally everyone I know either dislikes Disney’s sequels (TLJ in particular) or is just entirely apathetic about modern Star Wars. So I’m really wondering what “vast majority” you are talking about.

[@flyawayq5115]

@@hamiltoncox7651Yeah you’re lying out of your ass!

[@OGStarWars247]

When I walked out of the theater, it was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. It was like a funeral. I never went to the theater to see a Disney Wars film again.

[@terryrocks2j]

If felt that way for TFA as well. You could see how people had this look where it, was like, wth did I just watch? When it came to this film, people seemed to rush out and leave. One person did clap. I had to get a cup of coffee and remind myself that I will never listen to critics ever again. I never did since.

[@indalot8315]

Same. The only parts I've seen from Rise of Skywalker are clips tearing it apart. The knife being the locating device from the crashed death star is especially egregious

[@Aetoski]

People talk about how certain movies defined their childhood such as the OT and the PT for me... well this movie ruined my adulthood

[@stevedenis8292]

One of those things that was supposed to be a constant joy in life Star Wars. Grew up on this raised my daughter on this was hoping to be sharing this with grandchildren but well nothing last forever and all good things must end.

[@Tank721]

@@Aetoski 💯💯💯💯💯

[@John_Locke_108]

PT ruined pissed all over my childhood. I hated that trilogy so much.

[@zshah3107]

Dogshit!

[@A_Certain_Point_of_View]

⁠@@stevedenis8292the best and worst things in life is that exact thing, nothing last forever. This too will pass and hopefully one day, we will have a trilogy that does George and all of us justice. One like the OT and PT that we can share for generations like you said

[@megazman-y6j]

The day the Last Jedi came out was the day Star Wars fans woke up and realized Disney wasn't going to respect Lucas's original vision of the franchise. Edit: To clarify, i mean that the Last Jedi made Star Wars fans become aware that Disney was ruining Star Wars. Obviously, Star Wars was being ruined long before Last Jedi started production.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Stares in Skeleton Crew.

[@dankan9448]

It was the last time I would watch any new Star Wars movie

[@Nightc1tyronin]

@@stevebreedlove9760still sucks. Disney has destroyed the franchise.

[@erickpuma1202]

​@@stevebreedlove9760 so that's where we have got to? Goonies in space, thus people should return to the franchise?

[@incognit01233]

Bro, real fans were saying "this is going to be bad" 20 minutes into the force awakens and days after it was obvious disney was putting the screw to every critic alive and every search engine and youtube was being manipulated. It was a disaster. You just don't know it.

[@darthcaedus9130]

Lol. I refused to watch it again. Once was enough.

[@Deuteromis]

I feel alseep the 2nd time I watched the movie.

[@HyraxusPrimus]

Yep. I watched 7 multiple times and I even watched 9 twice, every time I even thought about watching this one again I can always think of something else I'd rather spend 2.5 hours doing. I just can't do it.

[@LuckyDogProductions]

I went and saw it again, just to make sure the reason it sucked WAS NOT ME....

[@thaIllYankee]

👍🏾👌🏾💯

[@feanol22]

Yep. Even thinking about it is like scratching nails on a chalkboard

[@A_Certain_Point_of_View]

I fear Disney’s sequel trilogy is unintentionally forcing us to learn one of life’s hardest lessons. A lesson from master yoda himself. “You must train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose”

[@AnthologyOfDave]

thats definitely a certain point of view.

[@A_Certain_Point_of_View]

@ I see what you did there and approve tenfold 👍

[@MrWord283]

I remember exactly how i felt after lukes death ... i will never forgive this movie, i dont care how ´deep´ it is

[@JRRob3wn]

When Luke throws away his lightsaber and then milks space lizard nipples. 🤬

[@blakefriel704]

Same here. It has been the only movie that left me disturbed for days after. It almost felt like I watched someone I loved killed on screen.

[@AnthologyOfDave]

It's not "deep" at all. Nothing is open to interpretation. It's just a bad SW film that broke the franchise.

[@JRRob3wn]

@ You mean “yo momma” jokes aren’t deep? How dare you! Rian is clearly an auteur ahead of his time!

[@dbungart3044]

“That’s it?” It reminded me of Last of Us 2.

[@LuckyDogProductions]

TLJ killed me, as my kids looked on to see the look on my face when they saw a PLOT point or Story line segment My Children KNEW was crap. They knew then that the DISNEY Rich kids and Executives had no clue and did not care if they destroyed SW as long as they got to put their STAMP on it.

[@stevedenis8292]

My Daughter warned me about his one and it was the first Star Wars film i was critiquing first time viewing.

[@craigmoffitt2374]

Probably reacting towards your unhinged reaction. Ever thought of that?

[@AnthologyOfDave]

@@craigmoffitt2374 you're a bad person.

[@silvussol8966]

@@craigmoffitt2374 - Unhinged? Lol.

[@neveser]

I watched it once and not only could I never watch it again, I couldn't bear the thought of watching the last one. Funny thing... sitting here I can't even recall the title of the last one. Wow, that's a good thing!!! :D

[@Thee_Sinner]

I remember people in my theater heckling the movie when it came out. I got more enjoyment laughing and joking at it than actually watching it…

[@GRT666]

Same. I've never seen Solo either. The last time Star Wars got any money out of me was the one time I saw TLJ.

[@noobist85]

Why would anyone, right? It be like asking someone to walk down a barren desert for several hours, knowing that at the end you just fall off a cliff.

[@RaikenXion]

I'm pretty sure it was called - "The victory of palpatine" or palpatine's rise or something 🤔

[@dbungart3044]

I guess the Last Jedi at least has a memorable name. Not Star Wars: 3-5 Star Warsy words

[@JayMil365]

December 15, 2017 the single worst day in Star wars history.

[@zshah3107]

🔥The Hell with The Last Jedi Movie Anyway!

[@megazman-y6j]

A couple of other days I consider contenders are October 30th,2012(the day Disney bought Lucasfilm, nuff said), and April 25th, 2014(the Day the Star Wars expanded universe got decanonized, giving a middle finger to the most dedicated fans as well as to many writers who helped keep Star Wars alive between trilogies)

[@tikiman52]

June 4th - July 16th 2024 were pretty bad too

[@saberiandream316]

Nope, that was April 25, 2014.

[@noobist85]

In our real and in-universe star wars history.

[@johnpoulton9446]

George Lucas: takes inspiration from Joseph Campbell-A hero of a thousand faces/ Kurosawa/ the hero’s journey/ King Arthur / and countless timeless tails. Rian Johnson: takes inspiration from…… OJs slow bronco chase.

[@saberiandream316]

LMAO

[@phuctifyno1]

You haven’t read any King Arthur have you? lmao TLJ’s portrayal of Luke is almost ripped directly from its pages. After his heroing days, he hermits himself away to die and also has to fight his nephew. Lots of people didn’t like seeing Luke that way, but it’s really the most Arthurian way to have written him.

[@John-fk2ky]

@@phuctifyno1 not really. That depends SOLELY on which version of Arthur you’re reading. Plus, King Arthur was never a major influence. I can’t think of a single person who has ever made that comparison until now.

[@phuctifyno1]

@@John-fk2ky most versions, and the most well-known of them. Idunno man, claiming Arthurian legend wasn’t a major influence on Star Wars seems pretty dense. If it’s not glaringly obvious to you by the countless overlapping plot elements, there are tons of comparisons online and they’re easy to find, including interviews in which Mark Hamill and George Lucas both refer to Anakin’s light saber as Excalibur. 🤷‍♂️

[@-AtomsPhere-]

My body physically rejected this movie in the theater haha. Worst theater experience of my life. I remember feeling absolutely crazy too, because it was getting such universal praise when it came out. I remember half faking that I liked it with the Star Wars fans I went to go see it with, and then that night I texted them all “I’ve searched my feelings, I know it to be true..I HATED the Last Jedi” That was such a weird year…I didn’t think it was possible for a movie to hurt me so bad. It was good though, in the years since I’ve matured and moved on from Star Wars. The past is gone. Kill it if you have to. I will ALWAYS feel sad seeing my childhood hero be so bitter and pathetic. It hurt. It had some pretty visuals though, the best cinematography of the sequel movies by a long shot.

[@77Pictures]

This is about my experience.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Agreed my mind even my instinct screaming to me "Hell no this movie is completely trash".

[@JRRob3wn]

Same. I got physically nauseous during the movie. I didn’t get over it for months.

[@AtomicApolo]

That movie gave me kidney stones.

[@AnthologyOfDave]

I also had a similar experience when a couple friends didn't see it as the crap it was, and it kinda broke the way I saw those friends and people in general. It broke more than the franchise.

[@strikeflyer]

I only watched this movie 3 times. Once in theatres on Christmas eve, one with a best friend 4 years later and most recently last month. I have two friends who have never seen the Sequel trilogy. So we put together a Discord watch along marathon of the sequels. Simply put, this movie has never changed my mind. Having the two people who've never seen the movie and seeing their same reactions as I did when I was younger, and who mind you aren't really super big Star wars fans, honestly says something.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

You couldn't pay me to watch that movie again.

[@TobermoryIscarabaidX]

Poor Finn. The most wasted character in Star Wars. Him leading a storm trooper rebellion sounds really cool. Also, the obvious, being a force user.

[@djsugarbear6715]

most wasted? Phasma

[@TobermoryIscarabaidX]

@ I mean, yes. She was wasted, but at least she got to be killed off in the second film. 😂. They dragged Finn through the mud, and even after the character was wholly demolished, they kept dragging him. Haha. 🤦‍♂️ 🪦

[@popesuavecitoxii2379]

All because Disney is racist and didn't want to put a mixed couple (Rey/Finn) in their canon, so they put Rey with Kylo, a psychopathic mass murderer

[@Axterix13]

@@TobermoryIscarabaidX Finn is one of the few things I like in TLJ. The idea of him finding someone other than Rey, of stepping up to be a hero, rather than doing stuff out of puppy dog love... it's a good arc. Of course, like the other times TLJ has a good idea, it executes it horribly. Oh so horribly. As far as Phasma being wasted, that's tied to Finn's potential being wasted. He should have been her aide, now doing a mandatory front-line tour. This way, personal connection between him and Phasma to play on and the First Order would have a reason to want him dead/captured, because he'd be someone who had access to sensitive information for real-real, and not because "space janitor".

[@TyroneLT]

The thing that bugs me is the explanation of Luke's exhile is there's no attempt on his part to talk to any of the force ghosts that mentored him before confronting Ben. Or even after seeing the vision. He's older, and should be wiser now. But instead they make him less wise than he was in Empire Strikes Back. There's way too much context missing for that whole thing to work at all. No counsel from his redeemed father! People would have lost their *&!#@&! If they had the chance to see that interaction. It would have been one of the greatest moments in Star Wars history. To me that was a massive fumble by Disney.

[@JRRob3wn]

The entire movie is a fumble for Disney. No, actually it’s an abortion.

[@dylanlonsdale6769]

In the books anakin visited Luke often while he was on the island. So the whole makes even less sense. Just Disney garbage

[@Wulfyr]

I came up with better storylines playing with my Star Wars figures in the 70s/80s.

[@JRRob3wn]

@@Wulfyr Yep. Grab any random group of 5 OT fans, give them some beer and two hours and they would come up with a dozen stories 100x more interesting and exciting than the dreck that is Disney Wars.

[@RaikenXion]

I agree totally, which doesn't bode well now when we see how Anakin has Ahsoka's back all the way, makes you question where was he for Luke, when Luke had his low moment after the confrontation with Ben.

[@panthrax555]

Subverted my expectation of enjoyment. Thanks for bringing back this painful memory for me.

[@beardofnursing8602]

The idea of "subverting expectations" just seems so childish. Rian should've just inserted himself into the movie, and every time someone does something unexpected, his face just appears on screen and makes little comments "Woah, you didn't see that coming!" "Look at that, Luke's drinking -seme- nasty milk! Aren't I wild for doing that!" "Hehehe I made your childhood hero nearly murder a kid because he felt some darkness in him!!" "Oh you think Snoke is the main bad guy? Check this out!"

[@noobist85]

That guy single handedly ruined star wars for an entire generation.

[@excalibur2024guy]

That subverting thing doesn't just apply to Star Wars. It's all over the place.

[@Ben-m9n7p]

It almost feels like JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson were playing grudge wars on a galactic scale. JJ: I want Luke's lightsaber, Snoke and Finn's journey as key points. Rian: OK, I'll make it so Luke hates his lightsaber, Snoke gets killed, and Finn becomes a comedy character! JJ: Then I'll just take all the stuff you want and shatter it against my film with Palpatine, Snoke as a clone and a galactic alliance at the end!

[@happyjonn9242]

@@noobist85 with a lot of help from Jar Jar Abrams

[@beardofnursing8602]

@@excalibur2024guy That may be true, but I don't think I've seen it done in such an overt way before, where it felt like it was done just for the sake of pulling the rug out from under you. You can argue about JJ and his mystery boxes being kind of stupid, but I think it's an interesting way of setting up the first movie in a series. Rian just seemed deadset on destroying everything JJ set up, which is such a stupid thing to do when you're directing a movie that's part of a trilogy.

[@jerryrehard7711]

This was the first time that I ever found myself fidgeting in my seat and wondering when will this be over while watching a Star Wars film. I also couldn't help but notice that most of the other people in the audience who were so excited before it started looked shell shocked and bewildered as the credits rolled.

[@jtm0311]

me too. First time I was bored watching Starwars.

[@ArtooDetour]

Rian Johnson’s Episode 8 was the beginning of the end of StarWars D+ content. He Mad-Libbed the script, like a 7 year-old given the keys to mom’s Porsche.

[@JRRob3wn]

And then tried to act like he made a piece of high art that was too intellectual for the mouth breathing fans. Um, you put in yo momma jokes and had Luke milk space lizard nipples bro. Citizen Kane it wasn’t.

[@ArtooDetour]

@ his goal to “subvert expectations” was fulfilled. …since we all expected a quality Star Wars film.

[@SISU_LIFE]

Rian Johnson is awful. An intern from USC Film School would have probably done better. 😳

[@slicerneons3300]

You cannot get me to ever watch the Last Jedi again. I'd rather have the cluster migraine I was suffering with when I watched JW: Fallen Kingdom. Didn't go away for a month. Would still experience that again. Never watched Rise of Palpatine, and no olans to see that either.

[@Jedishill680]

Headaches suck.

[@JRRob3wn]

My wife watched Rise with my daughter on home video. I watched an old western in bed. I will NEVER watch any of those abominations again.

[@diyapia]

I’m still heartbroken, crushed, and deflated from my one viewing of TLJ on December 14, 2017….

[@av7610]

Once, and never again. Literally the last Star Wars movie I watched. I’ve got better things I can do with my money.

[@roadhouse2476]

Cool story bro, bye 😂

[@av7610]

@ sure thing chief

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Haven't watched anything Gisnep the Mouse has made since TLJ, never touched TroS aside from people dunking on it online.

[@DaftDrunk24]

Before watching the video, I'm pretty sure I can guess what you'll say "Now, the Last Jedi still sucks".

[@seanmurphy7011]

Luke tossing his lightsaber over his shoulder exemplifies the deep unseriousness permeating the trilogy.

[@JRRob3wn]

Yes. And space lizard nipples.

[@createdforthemoment6740]

Luke tossing the kiddyslayer300 over his shoulder was a bad thing?

[@derpymoose9948]

The last Jed broke me. Such disrespectful treatment of Luke and the story. When Luke tossed the light saber over his shoulder I couldn’t believe it. Bad juju

[@tohrazul]

Not going to talk about the Holdo Maneuver in this episode? I get not wanting to relive that particular pain, but it is literally the thing that breaks the Star Wars universe. Every single space battle, the need to actually have fighter pilots on either side, the need to build the Death Star for planetary subjugation, have all been rendered completely pointless by the Holdo Maneuver. All anyone needs is to attach a hyperdrive and a targeting computer to any sufficiently large object, like an asteroid or a freighter with mass, and you could take out any target you wanted, without massive costs in materials or manpower. The surface of Alderaan, or more specifically, the cities that stood in rebellion to the Empire, could have been sufficiently glassed without destroying its obvious value in resources by a few dozen such "hyperdrive missiles." Taking out the now unnecessary Death Star didn't require a squadron of fighters sacrificing themselves to hit a small target, it required a shipping container filled with dirt and equipped with a hyperdrive and targeting computer. All space battles are completely useless, and the entire franchise is now worse for having them because across every trilogy and show that exists or will exist, the most effective and efficient weapon is a big rock you can throw with a hyperdrive.

[@actorguychapman]

I thought the exact same thing, but more macabre with a ship piloted by droids and... there you go. Crazier is that I remember in some other story that's not the first time Holdo pulled a similar stunt before. She's apparently an expert in crashing ships. She's the Launchpad McQuack of the Star Wars universe. The whole thing broke Star Wars logic.

[@abdizur8765]

I've seen Last Jedi once and I never want to see it again.

[@xenotron1138]

Dude... the Stormtrooper rebellion concept is amazing. Like a reverse "Order 66." That is poetry.

[@richardsylvester4518]

I tried it. It's worse. Believe me ... don't do it to yourself.

[@Mr.PepeSilvia]

I got hammered drunk and tried a couple weeks ago. Still couldn't do it lol

[@richardsylvester4518]

I remember leaving the theatre after the last jedi. Just had a confused look on my face trying to work out whati just watched. Didn't even realise how bad it was until later.

[@ArtooDetour]

Me too! I thought, “am I missing something? Was this brilliance?!” In hindsight Ep8 was a lobotomy. I just didn’t realize it at the time.

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

Exactly how I felt as well. Part of me wanted to like it because Star Wars, but I just felt off the minute I saw Luke toss the lightsaber. Like he didn't even recognize it.

[@matthagen4958]

I remember people partying before the movie, some even came in cosplay. When we left, the whole theater was silent. I watched it once more, only because I could not believe what I had witnessed and it was too early to talk to other people about it not to spoiler anything. But that was the last time I spent money for anything Disney StarWars ever. Maybe, just maybe I will have to think about heading to the cinema for that Mandalorian movie again, but only if I hear relevant others praising it beforehand and only to set its success in stark contrast to anything Kathleen Kennedy has planned for her new Rey movie or god beware trilogy. The only thing Star Wars I am currently really looking forward to is Andor season 2, but that sentiment in itself is dangerous sadly.

[@RaikenXion]

Same, and that's when I went back a second time a few days later to watch it again to understand how I really felt bout the movie. This is what practically EVERY other starwars fan did who had seen it that first time; and it's what led to the movie making a Billion at box-office, but confused Disney execs who saw the profit it made, but couldn't understand the backlash that ensued.

[@GoldenValleyPictures]

The Last Jedi was painful. Like having a kidney stone, and I've never had a kidney stone.

[@rumblehat4357]

I’ve had kidney stones. TLJ is worse.

[@TophDaGreat]

Long time Star Wars book reader. SW played a big part of my childhood and teen years, but I sorta grew out of it in my early 20s. I knew Disney had purchased it and was doing their own thing but wasn't actively paying attention to what they were doing. Saw the TLJ with a group of friends from college completely blind. I was very busy at that time and was not clued in to what was going on and the negative reaction it had online. We watched it together from beginning to end. After we finished watching we left the theater and went to an Applebee's across the street. While eating, we had a roundtable discussion on what we thought about the movie. When it was my turn to speak, I said "I don't know what I just watched, but it wasn't Star Wars". This offended two of the people in this group I was with. One of them called me a racist for not enjoying a more diverse cast in SW. Never in my life had I been called a racist for simply not liking a movie. That's when I knew the SW I grew up with was dead. Calmly left and thanked my friends for the food and the good time. Haven't looked back since.

[@butcherpete2286]

That's almost depressing. But I feel like that was a perfect summation of how almost every star wars fan felt going into this movie. Most of them had AT BEST kept up with the movies and announcements. Some of them would have kept up with the cartoons. And even fewer (such as myself) had kept up with star wars with FULL ATTENTION and were going backwards in the releases to check out older material. Anyone that wasn't at least keeping up with the cartoons would have walked into this move blond as a bat as to what was happening with star wars.

[@HandofOmega]

Yeah, been there, a good friend who I thought would have known better actually asked if I was getting misogynistic just because I didn't like the movie! Took me a bit to even *respond* to that nonsense! Funnily enough, he later got the same treatment for disliking the era of the 13th (female) Doctor Who...had a good time ribbing him with that!

[@michaellane5381]

Always crazy to me people called anyone racist for not liking this movie.... I wanted the Black guy to do more and never felt this movie was as diverse as some of the prequels... The problem is the story treats the SW narrative worse than the "bad guy of the week" of the lone Ranger.

[@butcherpete2286]

@michaellane5381 yeah the sequels really did not help the "you're an -ist or -phobe if you don't like this movie trilogy" people did they?

[@mitch-TO]

@@HandofOmegaSo crazy that people thought we were sexist for not liking this movie when a year earlier Rogue One came out, with an amazing female lead, and we all loved it. Maybe we weren’t the problem 🤷‍♂️

[@MarceloCamela]

I haven’t watched this movie since the day I saw it in theaters. That was an experience I do not want to repeat.

[@mrnobody4125]

This movie was so bizzare. I got to the end and I thought, "Oh, Star Wars is over." The people with me had no idea what I meant by that. I said that was the core meaning of the movie. To end what Star Wars was. As far as I could tell, the story was over and there was no more to be told or that would be told. My brain partially broke during that sea cow milking scene. I saw how even Hamill was serving it up as a parody of Star Wars, an absurdist apeing parading a caricature of Luke Skywalker. I laughed and shook my head. It was obvious that Luke Skywalker was already dead. This was just his hilarious funeral.

[@mercianthane2503]

TLJ: Great visuals, good CGI, great sound design, wonderful production design, and that's it. I have nothing else to say.

[@JRRob3wn]

Decent CGI. Still not nearly as good as the SFX from the OT.

[@mercianthane2503]

@@JRRob3wn From decent to good; not outstanding, obviously.

[@JRRob3wn]

@@mercianthane2503 l’ll give it that. I hate CGI, so I still think it looks awful, but on the sliding scale of modern CGI laden trash, it’s in the upper quintile.

[@Kilgore6549]

The CGI on Canto Bite is atrocious.

[@JRRob3wn]

@ Truth.

[@Alex-vp4ky]

The Mary poppins scene is just beyond ridiculous for the record

[@jamedmurphy4468]

I keep forgetting about that.....thankfully.....and then people keep reminding me!

[@WiseSnake]

Has it really been 7 years? 😭

[@thorskywalker]

Somehow, it has.

[@trevorcroft5214]

And somehow, Palpat... Nevermind I won't do it

[@SiriuslyBlack7]

The trope of the old,broken "master"/sensei,who is reluctant to train a young prodigy because of past trauma isn't new,and yes,it DOES work and has worked in the past (looking at you Karate Kid).But the problem is,we DO know about Luke Skywalker,and everything that he has been through,and the "traumatic event" that he went through was a complete 180° of his character that was limited to a small exposition dump that came out of nowhere. So what he did didn't even make sense to who the character was and because of it,the story began to fall apart.

[@RaikenXion]

And it's why George's own treatment idea of the "Student" who actually helps restore the wise, old disgruntled Master's Faith in the Force, bringing him out of his self-imposed exile and depression, made absolute sense and would have made that trope satisfying, IF they had just gone with that.

[@paulemge9156]

Your sacrifice is appreciated

[@jor89088]

I watched Solo A Star Wars story for the 4th time since its release, and you know what? It gets better with every viewing lol

[@GGBlaster]

That one, I actually enjoyed. Haven’t heard people’s complaints on that one, tho

[@Iceman19852003]

I cannot nor will I EVER watch this movie again!

[@raiderlove5923]

One thing I didn't like about The Last Jedi is the Rose and Finn's side quest to find the code breaker. It seemed like just that scene took up most of the move's run time. But that's just my opinion.

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

I hated the whole movie but Finn and Rose were a waste of time. Especially since they wasted Finn's character development potential. That and they gave Kelly Marie Tran a lousy character. I've seen movies where she was great in so I fully believe Rose Tico being a crap character isn't on her.

[@uncle-bin1750]

This side story could have been cut without changing the main plot at all. Such a waste of time, budget, potential etc.

[@Axterix13]

I find TLJ combines the worst flaws of each prequel. It has the bad humor of The Phantom Menace. It has action scenes that don't emotionally invest you, like the opening part of Revenge of the Sith. And it has the middle part that drags on and bores you like Attack of the Clones. I really like the idea of Rose, of Finn finding someone of his own, of stepping up, rather than puppy dog love of Rey being his entire motivation for doing anything other than wanting to run away. But yeah, it was done so poorly.

[@MonkeyKingsformerroomate]

@@Axterix13 That is an excellent description.

[@jaarneal]

My impression of the film was probably decided in the first 10 minutes by 1. "the first order reigns" (literally the first words in the opening crawl) which contradicts the ending of the previous movie 2. the your mom joke 3. Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder The problem with 1 is that the previous movie ends with Starkiller Base, which was indicated throughout the film to be the key to the First Order's power, being destroyed. And it is destroyed after it is used to destroy multiple planets, which would make the First Order the enemy of almost any civilization in the galaxy. This set up the next movie to be a fight between a weakened but well-led and mysterious First Order against a dominant but slow Republic. There is no explanation given about how, after committing multiple planetary massacres and then losing their key weapon, the First Order manages to "reign" by the events of The Last Jedi. It's a major continuity problem. The problem with 2 is that it makes a key villain look like a doofus and pulls the audience away from the tension being created for the scene. Of the 3, this is the least important. The problem with 3 is twofold. The first issue is that the previous movie sets the lightsaber up to be a plot device. The second issue is deeper: that lightsaber was first given to him by Obi-Wan in the key scene when Obi-Wan explains to him that his father was a Jedi Knight, not a freighter pilot.... and the last time Luke saw that lightsaber was in literally the most iconic scene in Star Wars history, when Darth Vader tells Luke that he is his father. You can't resurrect a symbol like that and then literally just throw it off a cliff for laughs. The problem here is fundamental: if you cannot commit to giving the audience a meaningful payoff regarding one of the franchise's key symbols, the audience will not be able to invest themselves in anything you try to set up. This is the worst thing in the movie. Unfortunately, the backstory that was provided for Luke, which attempts to explain post-hoc why Luke is no longer invested in the Jedi, falls flat. First, it doesn't really answer the question of why he tossed the lightsaber, because for Luke, that lightsaber isn't just about the Jedi. It's about his personal relationship with Obi-Wan and his father. And second, that backstory leaves us asking a similar question: why is the person who saw good in Darth Vader considering killing his own nephew in his sleep?

[@shawnbeilfuss123]

You explain it well - just so many layers of bad. I wish it could be explained away as a force vision, of something that could have been, from the World Between Worlds. This was a really bad ‘Finish the Story’ game that went JJ-Rian-JJ…

[@adrthrawn3013]

This is like wondering its been a few years since my hemorrhoids flared up, I wonder if they will be as painful this time around.

[@onliwankannoli]

The more I watched and thought about the prequels the more I liked them. It’s just the opposite with the sequels.

[@popeluigi]

The amount of potential that this movie wasted, not just within itself but also the potential it wasted for other potential future projects, is almost immeasurable

[@joelpierce1453]

I tried this like 3 years ago and didn't even make it 10 minutes in. I thought to myself: "I don't hate myself enough to force myself to endure this again."

[@FreemanCanada]

I watched it ONCE and that was enough. Never again

[@charliekelland7564]

It really doesn't feel like seven years since I watched The Last Jedi, but it sure felt like seven years went by sitting through it. Far and away the worst film I have ever seen in my life. I'd rather let Jabba The Hutt sit on my face than have to go through that again. I salute you sir, you are a better man than I.

[@hariman7727]

The Last Jedi is a sequel to seven movies that only exist in Rian Johnson's head.

[@agentjohn4313]

I could'nt have put it better

[@paulj5336]

The damage this movie has done for my enthusiasm for any new Star Wars is unrepairable. It ends at Return of the Jedi for me.

[@leonardoespino9780]

Can’t believe that it’s 7 years since i went to the movie theatre in December to see TLJ. I went with my older brother and we were kinda excited and even bought the popcorn tin of TLJ they were selling. The whole movie had me wondering… what the actual f am I watching?. When it was over the excitment that I intially felt died and kept wondering “what did I watch” and it clicked on me 3 days later that the whole movie theatre also exited silently and that i wasn’t alone with my shock. It felt as if we all had literally exited a AA meeting: no fun, traumatized for what we have just heard, and feeling anxiety. Later, like a year after or so, I was pist because then it dawned on me that star wars was broken by all the stuff RJ decided to do (I was like “wtf did they just do” when admiral holdo used hyperspace as a weapon in theatres) and the more I discusses it with some acquaintances of mine , the more stupid I realized this movie was and is

[@Mark_Williams.]

11:08 - I get your point but looking at the footage you're showing consider the chase footage as under a constantly moving frame of reference. If all ships involved are under constant acceleration, one of them suddenly running out of fuel would to everyone else involved, "appear" to have stopped, as they all continue to accelerate away. So in that sense, it actually seems quite accurate.

[@jasonsomers8224]

Whether you ignore physics or apply them accurately, running out of fuel would be a problem.

[@jdstudios1912]

Rewatching tlj is a form of self harm

[@the.bloodless.one1312]

I was SO unbelievably hyped for this movie. Really thought it would be great. I’ll never forget the feeling I had walking out of the theatre. I felt empty and emotionally stilted. I was in denial for like a week. One of the biggest disappointments of my entire life.

[@tracyburnham604]

When a Japanese cartoon from 40 years ago has a more exciting space battle than a $200 million Hollywood film from 8 years ago… That’s a huge problem!

[@saberiandream316]

What anime are you thinking of?

[@samuelohare6884]

@@saberiandream316most likely gundam or yamato

[@saberiandream316]

@@samuelohare6884 Let's not forget Macross.

[@jamedmurphy4468]

Charge the Wave Motion Gun!

[@finrodbrs]

Your point about Luke's "fall into despair" being a story we needed to see rather than having a few clips of a flashback is spot on. Comparison: in the show Babylon 5, the characters of Londo Mollari and G'kar of Narn start out the series hating each other. So much so, that Londo actually tries to murder G'kar in the first episode. But (spoilers) by the end of the show, the two have become close friends. That would be an extremely jarring change of heart, if not for the 5 seasons/years of extremely excellent character development we witnessed.

[@ternel]

I've seen a lot of accounts on Twitter trying to say how they liked it. Then getting ratioed by comments saying it was awful

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

TLJ could have been the Film that *Defined* a WHOLE New Star Wars Generation but it Failed Horribly were it should have Succeded... The Rest is History

[@aricaj.3006]

I still maintain that the only way Luke running off to the island to die (his words) would've made sense is if he'd lost a child, or at the very least believed he had - especially if he blamed himself for what happened. Despite the fact that he was clearly traumatized in the OT by everything that happened to him and his friends, he had an incredible knack for bouncing back and maintaining some level of hope even in the bleakest of circumstances. Losing a child is literally the only thing I think that would break him strongly enough for him to choose exile, even to the point where he'd cut himself off from both the Force and his family. The thing about Luke is that he's obsessed with fixing things and saving people. As long as there's a chance that can be done, however far-fetched, it's well-established in the OT and many EU novels that he won't give up. Losing a child would be the one thing where he could neither fix the situation nor save the person who needed saving. A completely broken Luke with that as the back story would have been devastating but would have made actual sense and been consistent with what we know of his character. And if they'd still gone with the "Rey is a nobody" plot as opposed to being a long-lost child, that could've made for a tearjerker of a story where Luke is finally able to heal from that loss after taking Rey under his wing as sort of a daughter figure. He can't save his real child but he can still save her sort of thing. I kind of feel emotional resonance was the last thing on Rian Johnson's mind, though

[@Tyranidus7]

Making Luke out to be “The John Sue that saved the universe and needed to be humanized” is just from people who didn’t watch the original trilogy. Luke gets his butt handed to him throughout the originals with only pure win being the first movie destroying the Death Star. The second movie Vader nearly kills him, and the Emperor was going to kill Luke without Anakin’s intervention, his only victory in Return of the Jedi that was his was a personal one, his refusal to continue falling to the Dark Side (he dabbles in it a bit to get the win on Vader). So Luke in my opinion didn’t need to be “brought down to human level” he was already there. And they never bothered really explaining his fall adequately anyway. The Luke I know would chase his nephew to the ends of the universe to try and correct his mistakes, not run and hide to let the galaxy suffer while his other friends and family fought on.

[@doubleupload5620]

Don’t need to rewatch still hate it I’ll still hate it on my death bed you know what they say never forgive never forget

[@toddkurzbard]

Luke had such faith in the ways of the Jedi, that he even saw the good in his seemingly irredeemable father, and was the ONLY one with that faith. Years later, he's a grumpy old man who tosses the lightsaber he threw off before the Emperor, to save his father, and prove to the Emperor that his faith could not be broken, into the sea. What is wrong with this picture? And, does Luke even REMEMBER that Yoda didn't want to train him, that he had too much of Anakin's "dark Side" in him? Yet, he convinced Yoda to relent. Now, Rey comes before him, like he once did, and the same Luke who persuaded a reluctant Yoda to train him, is now a dogmatic, pre-training Yoda "he is too old"...etc., etc.?

[@CJets901]

I have only watched this movie all the way through once, and I knew the audience was in trouble when it opened with a Your Mom joke.

[@TheSaladKing]

Seeing footage from this movie gives me an inexplicable feeling of discomfort and unease. It's been long enough since TLJ came out for me to completely wipe my mind of the fact that it was a real thing that actually happened. (and I only saw it 1 time in the theater) Being reminded that this movie is even real feels like being reminded of a secret family from a long forgotten past decades ago that you had to leave behind after faking your death, entering witness protection, and starting a new life in a different country.

[@NubcakeVII]

I still remember seeing people walk out of the theater before I saw it. I didn't understand why everyone was so quiet and a few were arguing that it wasn't THAT bad. I should've taken that as a sign as to what I was getting into

[@GGBlaster]

Yeah, the context “was it THAT bad” is a terrible starting point for an argument

[@partyofsome]

My wife decided to watch the series with me for the first time in her life after the sequels came out. We got to this film and she could not finish it and I do not blame her.

[@HighHeelKnight]

I have often said... Watching Episode 6 and then Episode 8 would be like watching Rocky 4 and then Creed 2 and wondering why the once triumphant hero became so tragic, bitter, lonely, and detached grumpy old man. The boxing franchise has three movies clearly explaining Balboa's downfall and despair. 🤔 Star Wars (more specifically Rian Johnson) offers Cliff Notes of Luke's downfall and just expects the audience to accept the information. 🤷 PS: Luke doesn't appear in EP 7 until the literal last minute of screen time, so we might as well not even count it, as far as his development.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

In his autobiography, Ade Edmondson who has a career writing and acting on stage and television dating back to the early eighties, (seen on the right at the 10.13 mark) was led into a blank room manned by security, alone with fragments of the script with everything that wasn't his line blacked out. He said he had no idea what he was saying, and neither did anyone else.

[@A1Cynic70]

I came out of the theatre stunned and in shock. I saw all the positive reviews and thought "Maybe I missed something, maybe I just didn't get it" So I went back and watched it again. I was right the first time. The people that made this movie hate Star Wars and the fans even more so. This movie broke my heart. F you Ryan Johnson and F you Kathleen Kennedy. I bought the DVD and then promptly destroyed it. It achieved nothing other than making me feel a little bit better.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

I watched the movie in the theater, and after the movie I left feeling numb. I got the DVD to watch it again, and just remembered many flaws in it which I had forgotten about while watching it in the theater. At least four years later I watched it a third time, and this time I really hated it. I haven't watched it a fourth time. I haven't watched any of the new "content" for the Star Wars universe since "The Last Jedi" was released. From the reviews I've seen of some of that "content", I think that has been the right move.

[@playalot86]

Rogue One was awesome. I just watch 1 through 6. I pretend 7, 8, and 9, don’t exist. 😂

[@TodayIFoundOut]

Also in the space chase why not just jump to hyperspace in front of the rebel ships? .... Or as you said or a million other options. I tried my own rewatch recently and it is unequivocally the worst Star wars movie by a long shot. The only thing good about it was when Luke came at the end and that whole part... Except then he didn't really come, he somehow projected himself and then died because, sure, why not? That whole sequence would have been much better had he actually showed up in the flesh and even if he died that way. What a badass way to go- one Jedi against the entire forces arrayed out there and sacrificing himself for the rebels. Saving the rebellion again. And contrast nicely to the last time he faced off against a bunch AT-AT walkers in Empire Strikes Back and his growth in power and all that since. Last Jedi was so awful that it almost made me think the final in that trilogy, which even has a lifelong diehard Star Wars fan I can't remember the name of now 🙃, wasn't that bad when I watched it. Because I was expecting every bit as much of a dumpster fire. And that it was only a regular dumpster of trash was a pleasant surprise in comparison. My daughters are now about to enter their teens, and LOVE star wars every bit as much as me as a kid... BUT I've still successfully shielded them from even the existence of that trilogy. :-) It's not just that it was bad. It was that it ruined so much of what came before in the process. I think fans can take a bad movie. Nobody bats a thousand. But when you very deliberately crap all over the great that came before, in this case not just the story but the characters themselves too... That crosses the line to unforgivable. And The Last Jedi seems to flaunt that that's exactly what they were trying to do. -Daven

[@br9809]

Rian doesn't understand space in SW at all. He treats it as a land chase, or a submarine situation. That's why the progression of the chase is shaped like a narrowing cone/funnel, ending at Crait. The bunker is the narrowest tip of the cone. Pure claustrophobia. He thinks it makes sense for the resistance to be "cornered", so he cornered them.. in SPACE. I bet he's great at costume dramas in mansions etc.

[@HighHeelKnight]

It is bad enough that I have grown to hate this movie as time progressed. It is worse that two scenes that I actually would have enjoyed were not in the theatrical film, only in the DVD extras. I hate this movie so much... Flames! Flames! Flames on the sides of my face... 🔥🔥🤬🔥🔥

[@butcherpete2286]

8:00 how dare you try to give Fin a story and character arch. The blasphemy. The audacity

[@andrewtitus6839]

They had to dumb down his character so the women around him would seem more competent.

[@GlassBoxHero]

I don't even care if he was your favorite character, that was probably the stupidest role in Star Wars history. His arch made absolutely no sense, and he wasn't even a necessary character to the plot. He was only out in the movie to be another black hero. Diversity hire. #DisneyRuinsEverything

[@butcherpete2286]

@GlassBoxHero yeah but he could have had a great character and character arch. If they had done literally anything with him.

[@GlassBoxHero]

@butcherpete2286 well, yeah... IF they had actually done something... Anything...

[@butcherpete2286]

@@GlassBoxHero I don't think it's fair to call it a diversity hire just because JJ Abrams was too timid to actually do anything, and Ryan Johnson was too up his own arse to use the character. John Boyega has even said he wished that they would have done something and that he was promised a pretty significant role.

[@raevn11]

Hi, Thor, thanks for covering this and doing the due diligence. Being honest and giving it another go, seeing how you've changed, if it would change with you, and filling us all in on the experience. Star Wars is precious. I love PJ's LotR. Recently rewatched all of the OG Star Trek and their films: Kirk, Spock, and McCoy 👌. Full Metal Alchemist (none brotherhood) is so powerful a memory, I haven't brought myself to rewatch it in over a decade and still the music makes me tear up if I happen to run across it on YT. The Dune books are awesome, the new movies fantastic. But Star Wars... Is not like any other universe. The timing was perfect. I grew up with the OT on VHS, read all the books, then finally, a new film at 13 and our Dad took the whole family -- while it was still whole -- to see them all in theaters together. By the time the sequels had released, I had long left SW behind and our family was broken, my father pulling the equivalent of Anakin falling to the dark side. This film, I'll never forget it. I had to watch it twice in theaters for both sides. The first time was like others on here have said: a silent theater, a deep, quiet ache. By the second viewing I knew what had caused it: it was Luke, throwing away his father's lightsaber. It shattered me. It felt personal. Like someone who used to make fun of SW at me as a kid had made this film. I know now that I was not the only one, far from it, who felt offended and hurt by what Luke had been forced to become. Shortly after the RoS, my father, who had spent the last seven years of his life doing bad, came back to the light, then passed away. He didn't at all care about these movies. That's all they are, movies... If you made it this far, thanks for reading. And thank you for your channel. May the Force be with you... Always.

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

I wouldn’t watch this movie again for $10,000 and I’m poor. It was just garbage

[@squozenfrozen1645]

If they kept Luke alive at the end after the force projection. Leaving Kylo with the line "see you around kid" setting up for the final confrontation, then Leia and the crew went to pick him up in the falcon, the reaction to this film would've been completely different. Sure it would've felt like a waste of time ultimately with nothing significant happening over 2.5 hrs, but having Luke alive ready to face Kylo properly in the final installment would've been worth it's weight in gold.

[@ryckless1]

Would I watch this movie again? Let me see -I'd rather put out a campfire with my face, lol

[@ArtooDetour]

I would rather clip my toenails with gardening shears!

[@matthewgarrity9405]

I spent the "anniversary" of TLJ, in Belgium at a historical reenactment event for the battle of the bulge. I almost died of hypothermia the first night and I'd still rather repeat that than watch TLJ again.

[@hadzhere]

the toss of the lightsaber broke disney star wars forever for me (and severely tainted the rest of star wars). i still watch and enjoy occasional things like mando and skeleton crew for what they are, but star wars will never be the same for me after the last jedi sacrilege.

[@JoshMcSwain]

The Last Jedi would work better as a parody of Star Wars than an actual Star Wars movie

[@GrievousReborn]

I've only ever watched the sequel Trilogy movies one time and that's enough I'm never going to watch them again. I barely rewatch The prequels and the original trilogy and I think they're better

[@bryanblackburn6928]

The Last Jedi was the first star wars movie that I only saw once in the theater....and the last star wars movie I watched in the theater at all. It was the first Star wars movie that I did not buy on dvd/bluray and I never bought a star wars dvd/bluray after it.

[@brandenmanuel2037]

It’s still bad. The last 2 sequels could’ve been as epic as Infinity War and Endgame (Or at least close), but instead we got 2 movies just as bad as Bayformers 4 and 5 or Minions. All because some idiot thought that screwing with the audience/“subverting expectations” was more important than telling a good story.

[@happyron]

If it had been EP11 and after the original characters were gone and not able to be destroyed it might have been "okay".

[@JT-295]

My second favorite movie ever! Right after Madame Web! You think I’m joking? I just have bad taste✨

[@ChaoticMartian]

Some people have kinks I can't understand.

[@ArtooDetour]

Yes…. you do! 😂

[@andresgallardo5225]

That's not bad... That's THE WORST 😂😂😂

[@Padtedesco]

I fear to hear about your third favorite

[@GGBlaster]

Honestly, I’m glad you enjoy it! Just wish I could too… 😔

[@martindoyle2446]

At the end of Empire and Clones, both Anakin and Luke are left with burdens that threaten to ruin their goals in their 3rd respective movies. At the end of TLJ Rey is liberated. From everything! Liberated from needing a master, liberated from her temptation from Kylo Ren, liberated from the lie she was telling herself about her parents (that was already challenged by Maz in TFA). And this was all accomplished in spite of Luke, (who actually didn't really teach her very much) not because of him. That clearly shows where the writers/producers goals were when telling this story. Poor JJ struggles in her third film to finally give her a problem to over come... and it was still extremely weak.

[@Scottthebassplayer98]

Prediction: No.

[@Scorkey333]

Agree with everything you said. But you also forgot one of the more appalling directotal choices during the last fight, where Rose literally teleports (not only is she shown turning away, she's also soon on Finn left before reappearing on his rigjt) to stop Finn from sacrificing himself (a sacrifice that might have worked), only to leave them in a position where the realistically should have died anyway, then kisses him without consent. Just terrible nonsense.

[@humanbass]

The Rise is plain bad. The Last feels very weird to me, there is a quirky ambition to it that doesnt fully work.

[@svendhooghe6725]

Heck I can't even bring myself to watch this video and I usually agree with you.

[@Kowkarot]

Despite everything, there is something that I appreciate about the film: Walking out of TLJ was super surreal to me. It was the first time I felt angry (?) after watching a SW movie. And that made me start questioning why that was happening, so I started to delve deep into many many many TLJ critiques in KZbin, both defending it and attacking it, in a quest to find out I was feeling so conflicted about the movie. Did I hate it? Did I like it? Did I not understand it? Did I miss something? Etc. In the process of finding this answer, I started to learn how other people consume media, how they enjoy it, and what they see in it. This eventually made me change the way I myself consume media. Now I can't just turn off my brain while watching a film. Instead, it has now become easier for me to notice details that make a piece of media great, or the flaws that make it bad. It basically made me a more annoying person to interact with when it comes to media critique, because I'll constantly go telling people how much and why a piece of media sucks even when it's a hot take to say so. But it also made me enjoy the process of dissecting media, because while I end up finding more flaws in things people enjoy, I've also become capable of finding more depth and praiseworthy details in things that are genuinely good. For example, I think I wouldn't have been able to enjoy something as legitimately great as Andor as much as I do now, if I hadn't first had TLJ to demonstrate me how an incompetent script looks like. In that sense, I am a bit thankful to TLJ. Not only it made me change my perspective on things for the better, but it also killed this trilogy that, in retrospect, didn't really have much future anyways because, let's face it, TFA did a ton of dumb crap and undid a ton of important aspects from the OT. It may have become a fun decent trilogy, sure, but I still can't imagine it becoming something fitting to stand beside the previous 6 films.

[@jeremypiteo2341]

Leia: "They've (the FO) tracked us through light speed." Finn: "That's impossible." Also Finn a bit later when talking to Rose: "I used to mop the room on Snoke's ship where they keep the active hyperspace tracking power breaker."

[@InspectorWhoReacts]

This is sadly one of those, when you stop and think about it, when you dive deeper. It just crumbles under so much pressure and the base was already fragile.