What's Jimmie Johnson Doing With Legacy Motor Club?

Jimmie Johnson has been very aggressive since becoming co-owner of Legacy Motor Club. Only time will tell if the switch to Toyota will pay off in the long run!
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[@larrysnellings7992]

At this point in the season in 2022, Ty Dillon was 26th (180 points scored) in points. This year, Noah Gragson is 32nd (111 points).

[@atlfan48]

Video is selling Ty short. Early last year anyway. You can tell they are short on funding for this year.

[@swimrunmatt]

true, but isn't Gragson in his first year full time? whereas Dillon was in his 4th season or something? got to give some leeway to a guy with a lot less experience

[@michaelmuncy8136]

Gragson is in his first year in cup with a team that has zero support from Chevy. Ty should have been performing better. Gragson’s ceiling is much higher though.

[@codyC423]

Hats off to Petty, thank you for an amazing 74 years of competition.

[@cito1101]

"Uh Oh, That's one of my cars"!!- Jimmie Johnson 2023

[@existinginaspace8347]

Tony saying "Better get used to this bud." Is honestly team ownership in a nutshell

[@NASCARFAN93100]

As much as it is weird seeing Jimmie Johnson and Legacy Motor Club join the Toyota Family next season I feel that it's the best decision for them

[@stephenholloway6893]

Plus it was rumored for years going back to the Petty era that they were going to Toyota.

[@bostonwarrior4824]

Should’ve switched back to Ford

[@dylanmurphy2652]

​@@bostonwarrior4824with the exception of Harvick and Logano ford has been the most inconsistent of the manufacturers the last few years. Toyota has a smaller sample size of teams so they look like the better option

[@bostonwarrior4824]

@@dylanmurphy2652 I get what you are saying, but RFK and front Row have looked pretty decent this year.

[@idiotamerica6422]

@@bostonwarrior4824 RFK, SHR, and Penske are the main teams in the Ford stable. They’ll most likely get all the support, and the scraps would go to LMC if they were to switch to Ford

[@atlfan48]

I feel like Jimmie is going to be a failure as a car owner like Cale Yarbrough and Bobby Allison.

[@brucebailey407]

BINGo

[@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81]

Yep. Sad, but true.

[@unusuarionormal7838]

I think this year Erik Jones will steal a win, and he will be the "Darkest Horse" of the playoffs considering how much of a dumpster fire has been this season so far. I guess: -Gateway -Michigan -Watkins Glen -Pocono -Daytona (last race before the playoffs)

[@jham7411]

Here’s the way I see it: Jimmie Johnson did not betray Chevrolet. Chevrolet betrayed Jimmie Johnson. Jimmie Johnson gave Chevrolet 83 wins and 7 Cup Series Championships. No doubt he expected Chevrolet to support him as an owner. They haven’t. They only allow Legacy 20 minutes of sim time per week and share little to no information and tech because Legacy is a 4th tier team. With as much as Jimmie gave to Chevrolet, you’d expect Legacy to receive the same kind of manufacturer support they give to HMS and Trackhouse. Apparently not. I don’t blame him for leaving Chevy for Toyota.

[@johnvandeventer8668]

I mean, Kasey Kahne drove the 43 Toyota in the Nationwide race at Fall Charlotte in 2009

[@KR_Diecasts]

That is true!

[@TanDawg58]

That was a Braun entry, just with a Petty style 43.

[@mattygreen7463]

I feel it's kinda weird to see Jimmie drive anything but the Hendrick 48

[@NoahsHair69]

This will be a throwaway year next year will be the real test

[@BoxInThisLapVR46]

I can't be the only who was shocked when Jimmie raced honda power in IndyCar

[@WastdTrashPanda]

The only reason JJ has ever been relevant in top level racing is because of Chad Knaus. His track record both BEFORE and AFTER Knaus is trash.

[@sametozkan9175]

Jimmie Johnson and Kevin Harvick are the NR2003 cover athletes, they could be team owner rivalry in near future.

[@FenderGreg]

If Legacy was a stock, I wouldn't be buying.

[@brianproffitt7263]

Chevrolet all day, they’re gonna regret this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@M_Hall34]

Makes sense from a team perspective; They're currently Chevy's 4th/5th-tier team...they'll be treated more like a factory team, with Toyota. Think it'll be good, in the long run. Also, I expected Noah to struggle this season & go through the "rookie growing pains." Not worried about it, he'll improve over the years.

[@wordlesslfiddling]

Yeah it took gragson really 3 years in xfinity before he became a championship threat And seeing how jones performance has dipped significantly too

[@BlueJimmie48Fan]

I have a ton of mixed feelings about this whole ordeal. It sucks as a lifelong Jimmie fan that my hero will soon no longer be associated with Chevrolet. Jimmie has raced nothing but Chevys his entire career excluding the 2 years in IndyCar with Chip Ganassi and Honda, from the stadium truck series, to the ASA days, to the Busch series, and to the Cup Series. For many of us growing up, it was probably the only Jimmie Johnson we ever knew. To see him part of a manufacturer not named Chevy will feel like a cardinal sin. At the same time though, this I feel like is a move that had to be made. Legacy MC in their current state is already in a crowded Chevy lineup of entries, which is why they probably don't have the same resources compared to a top team like Hendrick, RCR, or Trackhouse. Since Legacy will become the third Toyota team, they could have better resources at their disposal, which in turn, could lead to better on-track performance. My only concern about this, however, is the longevity of the team itself. We've seen this story before with Furniture Row and Levaine Family Racing. Only time will tell if the results show or if Legacy will completely implode. What infuriates me is the reception people are making it out to be. Some are saying that Jimmie straight up "killed" the team with his aggressive changes with his ownership role, with some going as far as to no longer be Jimmie fans after many years of loyalty altogether just because he'll soon be associated with a foreign manufacturer. If that is your excuse, then you weren't a Jimmie fan to begin with. No matter what happens, i'm riding my horse with my hero until my last dying breath. 💙🤙

[@trevortuominen8233]

Technically LFR didn't shut down due to Toyota. They shut down due to the pandemic.

[@TreyFaust-cf4ei]

You are absolutely right about the cardinal sin thing, But hey that will not stop me from supporting Jimmie

[@JJA1987]

Selling Out is what he's doing

[@joshmuecke85]

At this point you might as well take the 43, and 42 of of the cars as well

[@spheredhawk67]

I can see it going 2 ways. 1. It ends up being a great move and LMC starts competing for wins and championships. Or 2. We end up having another Furniture Row or Levine Family Racing situation. Where they become a satellite team to JGR, win some races, only for the team to shut down because of Joe Gibbs being a piece of shit and raising the costs.

[@23lacross]

With Next Gen, NASCAR provides the chassis to every team. TRD provides the engines. All of Toyota would share information. Gibbs in my opinion won't have as much power as he used to. Legacy has its own pit crew already as well. They should be fine.

[@GatoradeCupSeriesX94]

And because Joe gives all the good equipment to silver spoon Ty

[@xavierjuno4572]

And plus from the sounds of the deal, it seems like there getting the equipment directly from TRD, and not through JGR

[@GreenHornet553]

I think we will actually see JGR starting to become the weaker team in the Toyota stable. In fact, I think JGR will start cutting down cars to the point where they are a two car outfit again. FedEx isn't renewing Hamlin's sponsorship, so I could see him getting his charter from JGR moved over to 23XI as the third car for that team. Also, with Martin Truex not having much time left in his career, will Bass Pro stick around to back that ride or jump ship to another ride? The iron grip Joe Gibbs once had on Toyota I think has begun to weaken.

[@radienmayakovsky3]

Unless somebody in Japan (particularly Toyota Gazoo Racing) is taking over a whole Toyota NASCAR Operations and removed Joe Gibbs from the Power, if he attempting to doing a same thing that he did to both Furniture Row & Leavine Family

[@MegaMr46]

Upcoming NASCAR Busts: Jimmie Johnson (LMC)

[@stephenfink4695]

Not unlike how Tony Stewart wound up with Ford. Changing what hasn’t worked can positively change what follows.

[@billsmith9737]

You can argue Stewart switching to ford has been a mistake… 2 championships Chevys .. fords zero … Jimmie should know better then anyone Chevys win championships… Gibbs has two with Toyota… Hendrick has 14

[@K9RacingAndStuff]

​@@billsmith9737SHR switched at the right time for Ford but failed to capitalize on an extremely strong 2018 and a near-dominant 2020 when being a Chevy team would've been a significant determent. Plus, going to Ford let SHR get more factory support then the little they got from Chevrolet for what was at worst a lateral move in performance. That and since Harvick, the only championships were a somewhat fluke Elliott in 20 and an admittedly deserving Larson in 21. While (pending broken bones) a Hendrick championship seems inevitable this year, I don't think it's quite right to pin it on the manufacturer as it is Hendrick doing Hendrick things. In the case of GMS though, it's basically only up with them in doing a manufacturer switch. The only teams that seem to be beneath them in terms of support are maybe Live Fast and Rick Ware, and truth be told, I'm uncertain about that given how LiveFast/BJM has Alfredo in the Xfinity car and Ware can pull Ford Performance drivers onto their cars semi-regularly.

[@billsmith9737]

@@K9RacingAndStuff I agree with your statement.. I’m just upset cause I’m die hard Chevy fan … and yes Hendrick is doing Hendrick things … but people forget Hendrick built there way into factory support … junior Johnson and rcr got most of factory support back in the day …I think Jimmie could have built his way into factory support too .., to me it always feels like Toyota has to steal something instead of building there own … nascar basically told Hendrick or Gibbs in 08 that one of them had to switch to Toyota

[@trevortuominen8233]

@@billsmith9737 Building into factory support doesn't mean anything anymore.

[@billsmith9737]

@@trevortuominen8233 ya you’re right … but you also can’t blame fans of his being upset .. that’s a fans right also

[@salty_flightdeck_cpo]

After the 2023 season, the team will be renamed Lethargy Motor Club.

[@chrismv9203]

I thought Jimmie had ties to HMS and Chevy? How can he make the switch to Toyota.

[@aldouscoroza]

Im just as a Confused as Everyone. Jimmie has been a Chevy Guy in NASCAR and GMS has been a Chevy Team, but then they move to Toyota ??

[@DYLANMATHEWS49]

I'm guessing it's because of TRD & The Cars @ Toyota

[@23lacross]

I'm guessing because Chevy doesn't prioritize Legacy at all. Toyota would provide TRD engines and all their information. Toyota is the better option.

[@TanDawg58]

@@23lacross Til they get priced out like FRR and LFR

[@23lacross]

@@TanDawg58 You're saying TRD would price them out? That was Gibbs because they were providing chassis.

[@johnhaas2523]

​@@TanDawg58 there's no alliance with JJR for lagacy and LFR shut down because covid affected the team owners construction business

[@dillonbuckingham3867]

Anyone mad about this move is just salty that Toyota is still in Nascar and can't understand how smart it is for Legacy.

[@armondealey3714]

This is going to take time.

[@tylerpuszczewicz2535]

LMC made the right decision because they weren't getting any support from Chevy. Toyota will do everything to make them successful and they've done that before with the teams they backed in Xfinity and Trucks.

[@Austin_Windric]

I personally think Toyota wanted this because Jones and Gragson used to be Toyota prospects. I think Toyota still likes them and wants them driving their cars, and they saw LMC struggling and thought it would be a good idea to get them with Toyota

[@clintjacops958]

Wow

[@ronniebockman5298]

I think switching the Toyota is a great move by Legacy and they can get more speed out of a Toyota I think as they can with a Chevy I'm hoping that Legacy is thriving next year

[@eric74zx12]

If legacy motor club goes to Toyota will gms in the truck series go to Toyota too?

[@DennyDeliversYT]

before Jimmie: _PETTY GMS WITH CHEVY._ 😤😮‍💨 now with Jimmie: _…legacy motor club with toyota…_ 🫥😶‍🌫️

[@KR_Diecasts]

Has anyone touched on why Focus Factor just left the 43?

[@johnhaas2523]

I don't think anyone really knows but I think was a 1 year deal

[@KR_Diecasts]

@@johnhaas2523 it’s just weird to me. It basically killed the funding on the 43, besides having Air Force on there obv.

[@atlfan48]

Nope radio silence. And it was a multi year deal at signing but the number of races it was to be primary was to be decided. Then poof they were gone.

[@johnhaas2523]

@@KR_Diecasts You're right it's weird that they just disappeared and killed the funding. I wonder if they just didn't get return on investment or wasn't paying what Murray Gallagher wanted. The deal was made before Murray bought RPM

[@KR_Diecasts]

@@johnhaas2523 hopefully someone discovers it at some point

[@channingchills]

I think the ideal scenario would be for Harvick to buy in to Legacy Motor Club, or he and Johnson to link up and and build a team from scratch. I think that duo would be ideal team co-owners. Two business savy California drivers who are both champions and 2 of the greatest of all time.

[@crocus9905]

Richard looks fantastic for his age lol

[@tstuff1213]

As far as the Toyota shift goes. We gotta remember Petty in the Nationwide series did use toyotas. So this is nothing strictly to do with Jimmie taking them away. Also both Jones and Noah were in the Toyota family previously. Also that organization has always shifted all over the place with manufacturers its only been a matter of time

[@atlfan48]

That was a George Gillette decision that Richard didn't have anything to do with. Toyota tried to get RPM for 2010 and were turned down. Maury and Jimmie made this decision.

[@randallellison6421]

Whatever people think about Jimmie Johnson and Legacy Motor Club going to Toyota, this is on Chevrolet, I'm sorry, but it is! You have Jimmie Freaking Johnson as a part time driver and, more importantly, as an OWNER, and Chevrolet can't find a way to help make the team competitive and keep him?! This just wreaks of the Joe Gibbs and Kyle Busch situation from a year ago, except this is a manufacturer letting an owner and multiple drivers walk! Also one thing of note is that the Petty cars being linked to Toyota actually goes back even farther than just 2017. There were stories linking Richard Petty Motorsports to Toyota going back as far as 2009, not long after the merger between Petty Enterprises and Gillette-Evernham Racing. There was even a story where then driver Kasey Kane, showed up to a photo shoot and his number 9 Budwiser car had a Toyota body on it, instead of a Dodge. Pretty interesting story!

[@atlfan48]

True fact. But it was Gillette trying to get the toyota deal. Petty was just along for the ride.

[@randallellison6421]

@atlfan48 very true, I'm honestly surprised it took them this long to finally switch to Toyota.

[@FMecha]

The Kahne story refers to an Nationwide race where Braun Racing ran a Petty liveried Toyota to get RPM to switch to Toyota in 2010.

[@atlfan48]

@@randallellison6421 I have had people with inside knowledge Richard was doing everything he could to stay in the Dodge camp after 2009 but Penske wouldn't play ball.

[@samtully6949]

definition of Cursed NASCAR images

[@5am892]

This reminds me of something my senior manager once told me: If you ever get brought on in a high-ranking position within a company, it better be because you plan on making noticeable changes within it. This is different, obviously, since he bought a stake of ownership instead of interviewing for a role, but I like that Jimmie wants to make changes that he feels the team needs, though my big worry now is that JGR will cannibalize them a few years down the road like they've done to every other Toyota team.

[@xavierjuno4572]

Honestly I hope Toyota steps in and stops that from happening because they need this 3rd team

[@DEIFAN]

​@@xavierjuno4572 they probably have a Big enough shop to Build their own engines, but staying at chevy would be bad for them since they would just be ignored by them.

[@louislepage5111]

They have too do something, never mind trying to compete with Hendrick , you got Trackhouse taking all the oxygen out of the room 😮

[@mustangmike4078]

I was thinking what does it matter what manufacturer he drives for and then I remember when Mark Martin was driving a Toyota and I just couldn't get behind him as much as when he drove domestic manufacturers. It wasn't the same.

[@justinpagano3699]

This seems weird and out of left field but it's really not. Chevy obviously doesn't really give 2 sheets about them and becoming the second Toyota team should put them on par with teams like RFK, Trackhouse, and SH. This is a big boy move that Richard was too scared/ set in his ways to make. IMO of course

[@johnhaas2523]

3rd Toyota team

[@23lacross]

Seeing their performance so far this season, it makes total sense for Legacy to move over to Toyota. Erik Jones can make the most in his equipment and can definitely make some noise with TRD engines.

[@Harry-fe9ec]

Well. Things can only get better. Petty has always been years behind with cars. They drove dodge when chevy was winning. Then they drove chevys when ford was winning. Stepping into toyota is not a bad move. Their winning cars. I love petty but whatever he has been doing for 20 years isnt really working. The 43 team should be an elite team. Look at what Petty has done over the years winning. That name should have been competitive every year but they have been in the wrong place for years. Hopefully this is a first move in getting that 43 in the winners circle 4-5 times a year. I hope petty lives long enough to hopefully see it happen. He deserves that for all he’s done.

[@toyotaecw]

Funny how Jimmie doesn’t mention Jeff Gordon when talking about switching manufacturers. Not that it affects Jeff, but seeing as Gordon was basically responsible for his career in the first place you’d think Jimmie would value his opinion.

[@zt5547]

Bill Davis was responsible for Jeff Gordon's early career. Gordon still stabbed him in the back. So I'm unsure why anyone would value Jeff's opinion.

[@TanDawg58]

BOOOOOOO. NO-YOTA

[@austinemms9772]

It’s gonna look really, really weird seeing the 43 as a Toyota next year.

[@bloodykills7509]

The 43 has raced for every manufacturer so it was inevitable lol

[@Just_a_beaver]

😂😂 How dumb

[@cwrides7164]

I wont be surprised if they change the number font down the road.

[@xdashx4962]

I’m not sure on this move. The second and third toyota teams never had long term success. Lavine and FRR folded under the Toyota

[@trevortuominen8233]

Gibbs is gonna decline, so...

[@philipkalin1928]

I love that in every interview nascar does, they can‘t get the mics working good. It aaallways sounds so bad. Idk how, after sooo many years, they still don‘t understand how to work with mics. 😂 Its not that hard

[@FenderGreg]

If Legacy was a stock, I wouldn't be buying. Immediately falling off the cliff from last season is significant.

[@Tommy23269]

It's safe to say that Legacy Motor Club has ruined their legacy in 2023

[@jackmiller-johnston8689]

Jimmie is clean-slating 2023, to have long term stability from next year. Moving to Toyota is a massive first step, as they'll be treated as more of a works outfit than a 5th tier satellite team

[@Kingofweasles]

So, while this feels like a shock to many people, to me it kind of makes sense. For one thing, Legacy Motor Club have ambitions to become something more than just a group renting out an old shop on Richard Childress Racing's property while also using second-hand equipment from them, since Trackhouse Racing could be getting the best stuff from RCR. Also considering that Carvanna is turning out to be a scam that's imploding and GM kind of have their hands full with HMS & RCR, Toyota probably offered the team a better deal that's more subsidized than what LMC have right now with Chevy. Plus, Toyota might be looking into finding a team that can build engines & chassis on level equal to what's going on at Joe Gibbs Racing, so...?

[@huntersmith6995]

As a major Jimmie fan, it will seem very weird to see him with a Toyota team, but I am in full support of what he is building towards the future. It has obviously been a tough year to this point for Legacy M.C., which is expected. Growing pains happen. Look at 23XI, RFK, Trackhouse, and even Hendrick when they first started. I am bummed to see him leave chevy for sure, but this creates opportunity for him, Maury Gallagher, and Jones and Gragson to build towards the future and I am hoping they can prove to be legitimate top 10 drivers and contend for wins every so often. We will just have to see what happens. Sky is the limit.

[@BeagleBageler]

Off topic but Richard Petty does not look 85

[@patrickracer43]

It feels extremely weird seeing both Jimmie Johnson and Richard Petty with Toyota, even though Richard Petty has been with almost every manufacturer that has provided OEM support and Jimmie Johnson has run Hondas in Indycar

[@chrisbaughman9860]

To improve changes have to take place glad to see Jimmie Johnson take on the day to day operations at the shop while Richard is the team ambassador I see big improvements coming next season and the switch to Toyota will give them more information I predict next season there chase contenders

[@jasonk.3278]

It's a good move, Chevy only seems to care about HMS and crackhouse, I mean trackhouse.

[@RogerBates7]

RCR

[@stoopid_roofer6447]

This whole ordeal was sketchy AF from day 2! On day one i was down with it! The more I thought about it... something is fishy

[@NicholasKamm-mn5fg]

Just like Danica, Gragson should've listened to Jr and waited move he obviously wasn't ready.

[@joshlampman8717]

I was at the 2022 Southern 500. The best race I ever went too

[@jamessenik5147]

The team has been crapy this year

[@omerbalikci3565]

I just love reading all the salty "fans" comments on instagram

[@noahmielke2148]

Both Gragson and Erik started their careers with Toyota. But Noah Gragson is a is a HMS Chevrolet affiliated driver. So unless he feels at home with Toyota. Chevrolet is probably going to look at every opportunity to get him back.

[@jasonwhigham335]

Considering how petty hopped around all kinds of different manufacturers throughout his career seeing the 43 on a Toyota doesn't feel weird to me at all. Pretty cool to get two more toyotas in the field instead of the usual six of jgr and 23xi also

[@xavierjuno4572]

I just hope JGR doesn't screw them over like they usually do

[@moparcorvette8056]

43 is a MoPar Number not Toyota @dodge

[@trevortuominen8233]

@@xavierjuno4572 They didn't mention any JGR alliance yet.

[@zt5547]

Probably the best move for them, they were getting nowhere with Chevy. Hendrick, Childress, Trackhouse, probably Kaulig too were getting all resources at Chevy. With Toyota there will be just Gibbs and 23XI ahead of them.

[@dmurphy1578]

Can’t be the 7th team for a manufacturer.

[@tstuff1213]

Noahs preformance I am not too surprised by he takes alot of time to settle. Jones idk man he has had some good moments. Jimmie has just been Junked by other people every time he goes out

[@arronnelson772]

I have a gut feeling that they will fold the team within the next couple of years I don’t see this paying off, I don’t trust Toyota the only team they care about truly is Gibbs, and had Hamlin not be a Gibbs driver and have a billionaire like Michael Jordan I don’t think 23 11 would be a solid competitor like they are

[@bloodykills7509]

If you truly love Jimmie Johnson, you will root for him instead of no longer supporting him because he is driving for those "damn Yoders"...that's boomer speak for Toyota lol

[@simoneghilardini5211]

A good move also because we will have a more balanced field in terms of numbers with 7 Toyota entries full time instead of 5. Bit more of a shame not having Petty in the team name and with a part of the ownership.

[@danieljohnson9351]

I would enjoy NASCAR more if there were 0 Toyoters.

[@simoneghilardini5211]

Would be better with Dodge and maybe Alfa Romeo with the Giulia Quadrifoglio (but I am italian and an Alfa fan so I could be pretty biased on a presence of Alfa Romeo in NASCAR😂. Plus they are both of Stellantis group so a presence of these 2 manufacturers could be seen as redundant). But apart from this, as an european fan who recently joined NASCAR instead of F1 I would like to know, but what's the problem with Toyota? I have always this feeling that they are always accused of being cheaters, they are not a manufacturer from the US and the drivers are mostly highly disliked. Just curious🤔 @@danieljohnson9351

[@danieljohnson9351]

@@simoneghilardini5211 This is just my personal opinion you understand but the fact that Toyota is Japanese (although you will always hear the argument that they are built in America-doesn't matter) is a major reason. NASCAR had always been a uniquely American sport. I don't like Toyota period because they have done such a good job of convincing so many gullible American car buyers that their horrible looking, gag inducing crap is somehow better than domestic brands that we have lost great brands like Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Plymouth and Mercury which have all competed in NASCAR. Toyota always will be a polarizing brand.

[@trevortuominen8233]

@@danieljohnson9351 Unless you count the Jaguar Al Keller won with in '54.

[@JmarcusKmart28]

So why I said yet hopefully I hope they can turn this team around and I do agree that the decisions he made really good Darien.

[@SGNbuff]

It starts with a stupid sounding name.

[@zachg9065]

I really had high hopes but this switch to Toyota really infuriates me considering Johnson has been with Chevy his whole career and thinking that they would be a sister team to Hendrick.

[@jham7411]

This is Chevy’s fault. JJ gave Chevy 83 wins and 7 Championships, yet Chevy only allows Legacy 20 mins of sim time in their simulator per week and they don’t share anything for information and tech like they do with HMS and Trackhouse. I don’t blame him for leaving Chevy for Toyota.

[@tyler2141]

I think it’s a really smart move, but My only question is that with with Toyota being a foreign company would Airforce back out as being a sponsor? I know they are only sponsoring 3 races this year but I’m sure that’s a lot of money. I assume they probably wouldn’t but it’s just something I’ve thought about.

[@walkerch]

Too bad he couldn't go with Dodge

[@moparcorvette8056]

Dodge NASCAR 2024

[@Trainlover1995]

Don't hold your breath on Dodge coming back. Talks between Dodge and NASCAR stalled last October, either because Dodge balked at the costs (from what Dodge said, if they went back to NASCAR, they would have to leave NHRA), the Charger and Challenger are being discontinued in 2024, thus leaving Dodge with no gas-powered sedans, or Dodge was concerned about the amount of concussions with the Next Gen car.

[@atlfan48]

@@Trainlover1995 I think they come back whe NASCAR finally goes electric.

[@Trainlover1995]

@@atlfan48 If they go electric, I can see them using the following cars: * Chevrolet Camaro (there's a new electric version coming out for the 2025 model year) * Ford Mustang Mach-E * Whatever Dodge plans to call their electric muscle car * Toyota will be tricky, because their new EV sedan, the bZ3, is exclusive to the Chinese market * If the Cup Series goes electric, I can also see Tesla throw their hat in the NASCAR ring

[@atlfan48]

@@Trainlover1995 Its a no brainer for an electric Dodge to eventually be called a Charger. Since all electric devices have chargers.

[@henrygrootenify]

Wouldnt is be wise for Legacy to ditch the car numbers 42 & 43 just to get their cars to have their on legacy?

[@johnhaas2523]

They are not going to do that

[@atlfan48]

I think it happens down the road.

[@rick6083]

I believe it was a good move they'll get more attention from the manufacturer because hendrick and RCR has Chevy wrapped up

[@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81]

I could care less if the #42 and #84 became Toyota's, but what bothers me is seeing the #43 and Jimmie Johnson go to Toyota. Somedays I wish BMW and NASCAR allowed the BMW M2 Coupe to come in.

[@crouchb15]

Probably would be the M4

[@VikingArelius]

It's not NASCAR not allowing cars to enter or not, it's the OEMs themselves needing to show interest.

[@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81]

​@@VikingAreliuswho are the O.E.M.'s?

[@VikingArelius]

@@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81 Toyota, Ford, and Chevrolet. OEMs being "Original Equipment Manufacturers", in this case, OEMs are the car companies that have their foot in the door of NASCAR. Honda, Hyundai, Dodge, all have shown *some* interest over the years but they've gone nowhere.

[@briangriffinfamilyguyfan81]

@@VikingArelius I'd love to see BMW show interest.

[@johnwalker6977]

This would be a damn good decision for Legacy. Being the 3rd team for Toyota, and Toyota would invest in this team with it having owners like Petty and Johnson. It brings a ton of history and two really good drivers to Toyota. Toyota needs this, and honestly I would like to see more Manufactors get in the sport. Give it a more F1 feel, more Manufactors means more money and more eyes on the sport. Chevy, Ford and Toyota aren't going anywhere but I would like to see them get competition. I would like to see Honda get a shot in the sport and Dodge make a comeback. That would give incentives to smaller but good teams to go to the manufactors that want to invest.

[@Trainlover1995]

I read somewhere that if Honda entered NASCAR, they would have to leave IndyCar because being in both would be too expensive. And if Dodge came back to NASCAR, they would have to leave NHRA because of the same reasons.

[@DEIFAN]

This will also cause alot of backmarker toyotas to spawn. I imagine a RWR type Toyota team will spawn. Remember why some many back marker teams use chevys, because teams sell the old bad equipment for a underfunded team to use

[@DEIFAN]

​@@Trainlover1995 I watched a Donut media video about the viper, and how they mentioned that one of the reasons Dodge left NASCAR was because the wanted to put more money into developing the viper, which later spawned the Hellcats we all love today.

[@bumstead1383]

I like NG#42 and EJ#43, really thought they were making big advancement’s last year. I also love the bowtie but whatever. I believe they are going to get the worst of Toyota equipment and JGR will still get the best. Seems like a lateral movement in my opinion which isn’t coming from knowledge of race teams dealings w manufacturers. I really liked this team but mostly that was bc Pettys name was on it. My support didn’t strengthen w this move but hope it makes winners out of the drivers.

[@JmarcusKmart28]

I don't know why but when you said it was his team Darien why couldn't a been like 7 Time Racing or some cool team name like that. Also I really respect people that are Jimmie Johnson Fans and the decisions he is pulling. Hopefully I hope Jimmie Johnson gets back and going on to win a race not like a championship. Because the last win he had was at Dover in 2017 and in the closest he's ever been to get a win was in 2020 and that was his retirement year.

[@maley2552]

I think this a bad for Erik Jones, Toyota axed him once and their going to want JH Nemechek & Sammy Smith in the Cup Series. If Rick Ware, Spire, Live Fast demand a high price for a charter then sombody's gotta go. Also clearly these morons complaining about the #43 being on a Toyota, forgot in 2009 when Richard Petty bought a Toyota Xfinity Car from Braun Racing and had Kasey Kahne drive it when Petty was looking for a new manufacturer for 2010.

[@zt5547]

Nemechek will most likely replace Truex in #19 next year and Joe Gibbs is probably saving Sammy for when Hamlin retires.

[@maley2552]

@@zt5547 Probably what will happen but with Toyota you never know especially if those Backmarkers I mentioned keep holding those Charters hostage and neither 23XI or Legacy can add a 3rd car with a charter

[@needsmetal]

Difference is another team could come in and because all 3 of teams are at the bottom of charter, one will probably lose it

[@maley2552]

@@needsmetal Nascar doesn't have the spine to take away a charter

[@johnhaas2523]

Toyota would have loved to have kept Erik But there wasn't enough seats to keep him and Bell at the time and they sure didn't want to lose Bell plus he had a contract with Jgr that required him to be in a jgr ride last year but the 95 shutting down moved that timeline up

[@larrylucas5731]

Damn Jimmie, Toyota?!? I guess all good things come to an end.

[@trevortuominen8233]

I do think Jimmie has made the right choice. Legacy was below Hendrick, RCR, Trackhouse, and even Kaulig in terms of Chevy priority. With Toyota, all teams get to share data, since Toyota treats all its cars as one team. Now let's see if the results pick up in 2024, or if Legacy MC gets a NASCAR Busts video.

[@lukepenguinmashups]

Plus now theres 8 toyotas in the field and not just 6

[@g_men2121]

Basically, they are the new furniture row motorsports. Give them 3 years, they will be gone due to jgr screwin them on unnecessary costs.

[@trevortuominen8233]

Gibbs' future is uncertain now that Coy's dead, and LMC may not have a JGR alliance.

[@YoursTrulyChris]

Better get used to this Bud. Oof

[@SESKE_5]

As much as I love trashing Toyota- I feel like it's the best thing to do

[@moparcorvette8056]

The Reason I'm not interested in NASCAR is because of Toyota come and Dodge left the sport 😭

[@MidsouthCupSeries]

Don’t get mad at me but I think Jimmie is the downfall of LMC. 1st, he booted Richard out of the team and 2nd, he’s switching to Toyota?!

[@johnhaas2523]

Jimmie did not boot Richard out of the team as Richard sold his ownership long before the Jimmie Johnson deal and Richard is still involved just as an ambassador

[@kalebdegroot7825]

Don’t spread misinformation. Jimmy didn’t force Petty out.

[@trevortuominen8233]

@@johnhaas2523 THIS. Also, Richard's 85, and he hadn't been involved much since 2008 (when Boston Ventures bought the majority of Petty Enterprises). He's still involved in Legacy as a brand ambassador, and licenses the Petty font and number, none of which would happen if JJ "kicked him out".

[@RussellTurman]

If you're Jimmy Johnson and you aren't getting the best from Chevy why not go to Toyota where they will treat you like a P1 team.

[@the_keen_edge]

Jimmie was my absolute favorite driver the whole time that he drove a NASCAR Cup Series Chevrolet. For him to ditch Chevrolet for Toyata is a huge stab in the back for us Chevy fan's. Sorry Jimmie, but you have lost my support, and respect!

[@zt5547]

Chevy was the one who stabbed Johnson in the back when they kicked him out of that #48

[@trevortuominen8233]

Chevy wasn't giving LMC much, if any, support whatsoever.

[@crystaljon]

Meanwhile, Johnson thinks back at his time in Indycar, driving Hondas.

[@needsmetal]

Real question is what is GMS going to do in trucks

[@johnhaas2523]

If Murray keeps the truck series team going it will have to switch. Sounds like he might start the Xfinity series team back up instead

[@jamessenik5147]

Is joe Gibbs going help them

[@johnhaas2523]

No

[@existinginaspace8347]

Not teaching the drivers, that's what.

[@bighand1530]

Ok?

[@kben24]

The disrespect shown towards Richard Petty is disappointing… Removed his name, moves to Toyota. They took Petty’s style & legacy, and turn it into something. And it hasn’t even been 2 years since the project started.

[@trevortuominen8233]

Petty no longer owns any stake in the team.

[@kben24]

@@trevortuominen8233 It’s still the 43 & 42 cars with the Petty style number font…

[@trevortuominen8233]

@@kben24 What do you think he thinks of it?

[@nedwhite2524]

Never thought of Jimmy Johnson as a sell out till now, NASCAR is dying !

[@trevortuominen8233]

What could he have done to improve the team due to Chevy not giving LMC any support?