What's Next for Native Instruments? Maschine VS MPC

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The beatmaking landscape is constantly shifting, with both Maschine and MPC vying for dominance. With recent updates to MPC software and the introduction of Maschine+, the competition is heating up! This video dives into the future of these platforms, analyzing their strengths, weaknesses, and how they're adapting to the evolving needs of producers.
Whether you're a seasoned creator or just starting out, this video will equip you with valuable insights into:
Software Integration & Ecosystem - We explore how each platform integrates with other production tools and virtual instruments. Who offers a more streamlined workflow in 2024?
Future-Proofing Your Workflow - We analyze upcoming trends in music creation and how Maschine and MPC are positioned to adapt and innovate.
The Future of Native Instruments - We discuss NI's recent developments and their ability to compete in the face of MPC's ongoing legacy and updates.
#maschine #mpc #beatmaking #musicproduction #nativeinstruments #akai #maschineplus #mpclive #mpcstudio #futureofmusic #workflow #innovation #producer #musictech #2024 #comparison maschinemk3
00:00 Intro
00:23 MPC STEMS Video Reaction
02:14 Maschine Producer's Reaction...
03:05: My Hope for Maschine
05:41 MK4 Can Wait...
07:19 Outro

[@CXtheproducer1]

No MP3 support, from the beginning and they’re more worried about making expansion packs😂

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Literally couldn’t agree more 😂 this comment wins 😂

[@Chuchosugar]

Sampling from .mp3 is for people without ears

[@Vivre-os3ht]

maschine serves as a sales funnel for NI to sell you drumkits. if you think you will have improvements you are dreaming

[@jefgibbons]

I'm with you!! Let's start with the software... and Komplete Kontrol MK3 support!!

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Dude I’m a huge fan!!! Seriously an honour!!!

[@creativedwill]

I agree!!

[@omegajackson]

Finally, a maschine owner with a realist point of view on maschine’s future. Im a MPC and NI head.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Love to hear it!!

[@DJSlaughter]

About the standalone topic. I beg to differ. I believe Maschine should double down the efforts for standalone for both the groovebox like they currently have and their keyboard line. The reason why I say this is because they have the library. And if they put the DAW That you mentioned in your video within that standalone device along with their library, they can wash Akai! Some people may say it's impossible, but the way technology has improved in the last 5 years alone, it is definitely possible

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That’s totally valid!!! What features do you feel would make the maschine + better? Cuz to me their is something super appealing about standalone honestly

[@DJSlaughter]

@BlackBeltTitus sorry this might be a long comment lol. But Maschine+ could be better if it was a full DAW within a standalone device. Sequencer, mixer, etc. I believe it should have access to all NI and izotope plug-ins. They shouldn’t automatically be installed, but the user should be able to download and install whatever plug-in they have available within their marketplace. I believe it should be powerful. No excuses. It needs an ARM chip, plenty of RAM and at least a TB of space. An artist or producer should be able to produce a whole album on this device without ever having to touch a computer. It should be able to connect to any mixer or interface like a computer would. Same for mixing control surfaces. Not only should the drum machines be standalone but the keyboards. I’ve been having ideas for a standalone device like this since 2015. I wanted it to be very familiar to anyone who uses a regular computer DAW. I was thinking of this because I got tired of lugging around my midi keyboard and my laptop. Admittedly at the time I did have a heavier laptop than I do now. But that’s not even factoring in the audio interface. So of course I was excited when Akai dropped the MPC Live. Fun fact, I was the one who leaked the original schematics of the first MPC live. Well kind of. I was in a MPC forum talking about the device that I wanted to create. And I said it would be nice if Akai or NI could do something like this. A lot of people in that group said it wasn’t possible. A few at Weeks later I was on google searching Akai standalone groovebox randomly. Don’t know why til this day, but there it was In the results, out in the open, the schematics to the first MPC live. And no one knew about it and no one was talking about it. So I took that link and posted it in that same forum. And people were mind blown. The next day my name was written in a whole bunch of articles about the leak of this potential new device. It was a crazy moment LOL. Sorry for the long comment. Honestly, I’m still trying to create that standalone machine. I just don’t have any design or engineering experience lol. Akai is 90% there but I want more

[@DJSlaughter]

@@BlackBeltTitus throw softube in there too

[@Dominant1mw]

You have a very good point,I was a Maschine user for 10years but the DAW is kinda limited but the MK3 controller is almost perfect to be honest,the software just needs face lift

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Totally agree. I think it would bring a lot of people back if the software got a facelift!!

[@nickgilday8946]

Agreed. I get that they built it so you can do everything in the box that you can do in the software, but I don’t want to bounce the files to a separate daw. They are soooo close just add a few features and your good to go. For gods sake tho let me chop from the AU.

[@creativedwill]

Just subscribed! Great video bro! Keep up the great work!!

[@BlackBeltTitus]

You’re literally my favourite KZbinr!!! This just made my day!!! Thanks so much, and keep dropping banger videos!!! This made my day!!!

[@whoadog8725]

The MPC workflow just cooks my brain for some reason. Maschine isn’t perfect, but I find it way faster use, which is what is most important.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I totally agree!!! I find the maschine workflow so much easier. Still have a way to go for sure, but I’m happy for now

[@SirMrMaster]

I love the hybrid system with Maschine MK3 but sometimes I just want to sit up in bed with the box and cook up vs having to grab my Mac and plug everything up.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That’s such a mood 😂😂

[@Bilpokat]

Ain’t nobody doing that

[@SirMrMaster]

@@Bilpokat you talking crazy I’ve beats literally everywhere in my house except the bathroom speak for yourself, Leroy 😂😆

[@Bilpokat]

@@SirMrMaster just gross I keep mine clean brodie

[@ramsey4630]

​@LeooPokat I never understand the stand alone only guts. My mpc stays in the work area. All that moving it around is nuts.

[@user-tm2jf2cj4w]

Love the commentary video!! More of these!!

[@BlackBeltTitus]

More to come! Thanks so much!!

[@SS-zs5ru]

Don’t know if any of y’all saw this, but I got an email from NI asking questions about what I would like to see in Maschine. A survey.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That’s fire!!! I heard someone else in the comments say that as well!! Must have missed the email 😂

[@morgan8937]

NI community update says a major, admittedly long overdue update to software​ will release later in the year. That survey was like a multiple choice for users to rank most requested features. Stem sep was among many of them. Great vid@BlackBeltTitus

[@djkeety1]

Just get Serato sample, it often goes on sale and works well with Maschine

[@BlackBeltTitus]

It’s true!!! I was just comparing maschine to MPC for the vid tho!!

[@djkeety1]

@@BlackBeltTitus big up, no criticism at all man🇬🇧

[@RazorReg]

FL studio and Maschine is dope if you patient.

[@patchistador]

Oh my god I wanted to do a video about that, thank you so much, you made all the work ! Hope Native will definitely watch your video Long live your channel ;)

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Thanks so much!! I hope they see the community is longing for some much needed updates!!!

[@park171]

Use platforms, the secret is that Maschine is a fantastic platform. Due to the NKS and how it can be adapted to eve 3rd party non supported plugins. Also the combination of the Kontrol MK2 and Maschine together are unbeatable. The Akai has some great things going for them, especially for the hardware options.

[@user-bw3uy2wn7u]

Love your vids!!! I’m a maschine user always!!

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Awesome! Thank you!!!! And same here!!

[@Chillbill777]

Love this vid!!

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Thanks so much!!! Appreciate it!!

[@sixx_xlr]

you make a great point when you say that the software should be the main focus and honestly i hope thats the direction that they go in. It seems like native instruments already has a great piece of hardware and the price is very competitive. To be able to work with maschine in FL like you can with Kontrol would be a game changer. I think if there is to be a mk4 it would be an upgraded stand alone variant with better/faster hardware and maybe a touch screen if your really into that. It probably wouldn't look very different ether, maybe a bigger screen.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah, honestly, the machine MK3 has such a good layout already. They couldn’t improve it that much in my opinion, but the Daw has such a way to improve. I feel like that’s what they should be focussing their time on and coming up with a way to get machine users excited about machine again.

[@certifiedbeatz]

I agree. Make it a plugin sound module. i only use the expansion, not the hardware. It's a great video

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Thanks so much!! Appreciate it!!!

[@creativedwill]

dope Video bro!! I AGREEEEEEE! Stick to the software and make it integrate better with other software!!! I have been saying this for a minute!

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Thanks so much!!! You’ve been a huge inspiration to me for making this channel so I appreciate this comment a lot!!! I agree they’re a software company and should stick to their strong suits!!!

[@katana2seppuku]

this was good dawg

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Thanks I appreciate!! Happy you like the new style of video!

[@s.gharavi1614]

When I moved from EMU samplers to the MPC 3 years ago, I really preferred the sounds of the Maschine. However, my 2 decades of negative experience with Steinberg with Cubase, made me feel that Akai would likely provide better support. And I'm so glad I made the decision to go to MPC. I'll never use a Steinberg product again.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah MPC seems to see where the ball is going for sure!!!

[@s.gharavi1614]

@@BlackBeltTitus That's the thing now a days, you really have to invest in the companies that provide support when these systems are all kinda closed. Steinberg is just far more expensive and provides far less support. They think they can get away with it for a slight sound advantage. But from my experience, that's not the most important part of music production.

[@indridcole7071]

Akai workflow and sequencing is to challenging for my workflow which is most impo😮when you’re creating. Plus they make their interface far more difficult than it has to be as well.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Totally agree!! I way prefer the maschine workflow!!!

[@ZETONEproductions]

If I need stems stretch etc I Just load serato sample in n machine and it’s a go .. but integrated in the machine software would be nice of course.. just sold all my gear except for my mk3 and a machine jam .. best choice of my life , gear wise jus as easy as

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah maschine is the best!!! Only peice of hardware I really use besides a midi keyboard!!! Finds it keeps me so creative!!

[@thahomie773]

I agree it doesn’t need the touchscreen but if they make another hardware drum machine it should have a battery so you don’t have too be plugged into a outlet all the time and I say ditch the Sd card slot or keep it but let us have another option of installing our own SSD for more storage like how you can do on the MPC LIVE and X

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I agree a battery would add so much!!! And we need SSD if they do plan to go the standalone route

[@thahomie773]

@@BlackBeltTitus yea and they possibly can take the crown from Akai on having the best standalone hardware if they add and fix a few things I already think they’re expansions are better than Akai expansion packs and they give you more Instruments for they’re plug-in then Akai

[@Sneakycat1971]

The separation technology is much better then it was a couple of years ago but it's still not perfect by a long shot. I did read an article yesterday that a company from England was looking to perfect this technology.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I agree!!! Still has a long way to go honestly!!!

[@user-fm3td9ih7n]

I completely agree!! You want native instrument staff some competition! They don’t have much of it so it’s good when they encounter some

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah competition is never a bad thing!!! Pushes companies farther in my opinion!!

[@XBASS247]

Love native instruments been mashine from the start But akai are killing it ,i got both but lately 🤔 im runing to mpc more ,the work flow is all most perfect and stems is big 👌 But you right on everything you said mashine plus does have sound which is Unique to any hardware sampler

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah MPC is killing it!!! I’m happy tho cuz it forces Native to respond with something!!! Hopefully something good 😂 but we’ll see!!

[@angalamusic6528]

You have a point bro

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Thanks!! They definitely need to amp up their maschine software

[@intensity7x705]

I like your take you were a 💯% right. A New Daw or being able to have more function inside other DAW like Studio One were MK,s recognizes in/out midi control,and more ..Just tell Ai to do it 😂😂😂 creat a perfect DAW it's 2024

[@MrScrooge1980]

In the NI forum a few months back, the CEO of development entered the chat and stated they were doing a full software overhaul, he didnt give details, but, something is on the way

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I didn’t know that. That’s super exciting!!!!

[@hvhvgitaar]

I wouldn’t quite say they announced a full software overhaul. what I read was more that they were focusing on some minor improvements but had no real plans to give the software a substantial update. There hasn’t been any substantial investment in Maschine for a few years now and the best they managed to in the latest version was a handful of bug fixes and making it compatible with last year’s MacOS version. Using the Maschine SW as a plugin is really clunky but as a DAW it has a massive potential because of the unique powerful way it integrates with the controller. There is a lot of low hanging fruit in the SW but for some reason NI doesn’t want to invest in it any more. Dropping Maschine support from the new keyboards was a telltale sign that Maschine is no longer a priority.

[@At.mos.fEarProduktionz]

Dope. NI needs to enter this type of track separation in their DAW

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I totally agree!!! They’d definitely be able to!! That would be a big improvement!!

[@jacobekker]

could this he integrated into the MK3 as a firmware update?

[@At.mos.fEarProduktionz]

@@jacobekker I’m sure it’s possible. 🤔 whether they do it or not…

[@jacobekker]

@@At.mos.fEarProduktionz I hope they see it as a "value-add retention" opportunity rather than a cash grab! Thanks for the great content!

[@ergkj]

I’d like to see Machine be able to run kontakt instruments like 70’s drums. I’d also love a multi-key after-touch keyboard, with ribbon pitch above like Hydrasynth, with 88 keys but smaller keys sized like the hydra-explorer.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah it’ll be interesting to see what NI does next with their hardware for sure!!

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Im not interested in a MPC or Machine to be honest however My chosen DAW is lacking in development Reason 12. I dont think We are going to get stems in Reason any time soon.

[@MarkYeeDaMajor]

I gave up on reason, not completely tho. I just use it as a vst now instead of my main daw.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

@@MarkYeeDaMajor Reason Studios spread them selfs to thin and cant be pro at everything because there business is not big enough to do so.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah probably not tbh. Reason started off ok but definitely dropped the ball

[@crazymoe8494]

I have an MPC live and a Maschine Mk3, and since I have had the Maschine Mk3 the Akai has been gathering dust, becasue I work with FL and Abelton, the Maschines strengths are it's intergrations with DAW's.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Couldn’t agree more. Machine has to basically start fresh if they want to create their own DAW. Or go hard on the integration.

[@jimbo121]

See I’m the other way around. I’ve been a long time Maschine user and recently got a Live2 and it’s freeing to make songs anywhere in the house and not be tied to the computer. I loaded up my 2tb ssd with 650gb of samples and converted all my maschine expansions to mpc expansions and it’s a powerhouse. I love both but the MPC Live2 is darn near perfect in my mind.

[@BrandonGreenShow]

@@jimbo121 what about the mpc workflow? I've only ever used maschine

[@AvidanSmith]

Maschine as a VST works actually VERY well in FL Studio. One of the main things is the ability to drag and drop sounds from Splice or any window you have open into Maschine. But I agree...Maschine in itself is lacking many things that can be frustrating. One of which is it not being compatible with the El Gato Stream Deck.

[@sanxulian7714]

I just use serato sample in Maschine 😂 so no worries about stem separation so far cause i have it already

[@CrisCozy]

I’m waiting for pads on the keyboard 🎹

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That would be fire!!!

[@hu1X10]

I do not like to record audio for ideas when MIDI notes are a clear memory saving option. You can edit, change tempo, change sounds, and many other things when you can record the MIDI notes. With MPC, the crap forces you to have part of the song in the VST DAW or convert and drag the Audio files into the song. I really hate that limitation. Also, with MPC, you can not use the audio inputs on the Key 61 or whatever you are using if you are using an audio interface. You have to use the Audio interface for audio input. It is such a dung show.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah I totally agree!!

[@Bilpokat]

💀 me and maschine broke up in 2020 very hard break up She never wanted new stuff (update)was to long I’m sorry I love you but not maschiina anymore 😢

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Sad we lost you!!! Would you come back if maschine got an update?

[@Bilpokat]

@@BlackBeltTitus Note repeat lags Piano roll improvements would make it considerable :)

[@scarthereddoninfinity6100]

It’s over for them to far behind and if they did upgrade it would just be in the specs on and mpc once the mpc live was introduced to the messes it was over for native instruments

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I think native instruments can make a comeback tbh!!

[@scarthereddoninfinity6100]

I think they have years to catch up to the mpc live 2 alone there’s too many specs to upgrade and add on to really make it a stand alone machine or get the full experience out of the unit

[@The1AndOnlyMichaelAngelo]

If NI comes up with their own Maschine + Keyboard Workstation (of course, STANDALONE), heck, even a 47 key ( I mean, why not), WITH more than 2GB RAM, same ability like the MPC Key 37 to handle up to 2TB's of SD Card (a bit overkill, but it sure is reassuring to have that ability), at least once more USB port, I'd get it in a heartbeat. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY MPC KEY 37, and although I'll get hate for this, I'm glad I sold my Machine + and Kontrol Keyboard and got the MPC Key 37. It really comes in clutch with a beat machine AND a keyboard. Again, as a keyboardist, I truly appreciate the integrated keyboard, and in a portable platform. I can't play melodies on the pads, when it comes to coming up with SONGS, on the spot.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah that’s totally fair!!! The pads do take some time to get used to!!!! I’m happy to hear you love the MPC key 37 tho!!! Honestly considering buying one so I can make videos with it!!

[@The1AndOnlyMichaelAngelo]

@@BlackBeltTitus YESSSS! Get one, explore with it and not only see, but experience the treasure it offers. Since you already have experience with the Maschine, it should be a breeze since the beat making process is similar. It shouldn't be a huge learning curve at all. You'll not only love it, you'll love making videos of it! Let's go!

[@StephenLynchdj]

Native instruments have the izotope rx stems code. It’s in the roadmap for Traktor 3.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah true!!

[@Lofilegacybeats]

Black Belt Titus you are right and wrong at the same time. A lot of people want stand alone Maschines. What NI should do is bring back their whole line of Maschine products like they had in the past this is why Akai is winning or is ahead of the game. NI should make a flag ship Maschine. Maschine studio Plus give it dual flip up touch screens (nice to have that option but still have all the buttons as usual) where you can flip up the screens individually or one long screen that flips up like on their S series controllers, 8 outs 2 xlr combo inputs with 48v phantom power for condenser mics 4 1/4 inch inputs, phono inputs, CV outs 8. Stem separation, full intergration of certain Komplete and Isotope instruments, with sound design capabilities, all the things the current Maschine has, MP3 support .SF2 support, time stretch, 10 audio tracks, vocal suite, internal HDD front SD card slot, 4 midi puts 2 midi inputs, 8gb Ram. Maschine Plus MK2 1XLR combo mic input, phono in, put 4 1/4 out puts, 2 1/4 inputs, HDD, Battery option, 8 audio tracks, 4GB Ram. 4CV gate outs , Flip up screen touch. 2midi ins 2midi outs. Maschine MK4 every output, and input of the Maschine Plus MK 2 1XLR combo mic input phono input 4CV gate outs, Unlimited audio tracks because it tethered to computer. SD card slot Maschine Mikro plus 2ins 2outs, mic input, 1 midi in 1 midi out, phono input, SD card slot (Just a thought) or just regular mikro with 2ins 2outs 1mic input phono input. Maschine Jam Plus Truely a live stand alone live performance instrument 2 XLR mic inputs 48v phantom power, 4 1/4 inputs 4 1/4 outputs HDD, Battery option, 8 audio tracks, 4gb Ram, phono input, cross fader that actually let you scratch incoming audio .wav .mp3 file.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah I personally think they should just lock in especially on the software side. don’t abandon standalone. I just don’t think it should be their main concern.

[@abdulrazakalshmali9577]

i fully agree with him

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Thanks!!!

[@realjravage2871]

Native instruments users shouldn’t be afraid of Akai when it comes to this MPC stems feature native instruments needs to get their stuff together and compete against them if they want to make profit and sales you can also do this on Cerrado sample as well and Cerrado sample is compatible with an every daw including the machine software

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I agree!!! Good point about Cerrado as well!!!

[@realjravage2871]

@@BlackBeltTitus my bad it’s Serato Sample lol

[@bestof467]

NI stopped caring a couple years ago when they discontinued Maschine Jam. Their Maschine software is outdated and gives problems EVERYTIME with folder instruments not being detected etc. Basically hate using it.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That’s totally fair! It’s hard not to feel abandoned ngl

[@jimbo121]

When they discontinued the Jam is when I was shopping for one. I was gutted as I don’t like to buy used gear.

[@bestof467]

@@jimbo121 Luckily AKAI APC64 has similar touchstrips and pads.

[@BOOMBAPXL]

Maschines last major software update was 8 years ago (2.5) Akai are winnin this race for the simple fact they have better update cycles

[@BlackBeltTitus]

It’s true. I’m holding out hope tho!!

[@mccoytv9866]

Your channel is amazing, and I enjoy watching, but I have to disagree with you. I think the Maschine Plus holds its own against any MPC. I believe that Maschine users are far more creative than the new MPC users because of the limitations. We most definitely have better sounds, and the workflow is faster. Therefore, NI doesn't need to scrap the M+; it just needs an update. When it comes to these drum machines, it's never been about built-in speakers and keys. While they are very convenient, the essence of the drum machine lifestyle is about sampling, and the M+ has absolutely no problem manipulating any sample that you feed into it.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I totally respect that take!! I should’ve been more clear, but I didn’t mean completely scrap the M+ I was more so saying focus on improving the software not the hardware!!! Sorry I should have explained that better!!! Thanks for your take!!

[@thyts1mystyle]

The Micro MK3 looks nice and the added drums sounds are good but it’s integration with DAW is crap and feel like selling the donkey, it’s just too stubborn.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah using it in your primary DAW is definitely not ideal!! Really hoping they make the integration better!! Or NI makes their own DAW

[@jhsmith1183]

Id take realtime time strech in the sampler over stems anyday. Most of the stems sound a phasey mess

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That’s fair honestly!!! Stems definitely has a way to go

[@dennieraw5867]

No, if they want to compete, you definitely need to worry about STANDALONE!! BUT yes definitely fix the daw as well, the mk4 need a new daw and better standalone

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I really hope they update the DAW!! Not saying they should totally disregard standalone! Just saying the software should be the main concern!

[@GuyVignati]

Let’s say it: Maschine software is old. We need updates.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

It’s true!!! We’ve been waiting wayyy too long!!!

[@88mokeyz8k]

I have Both! BUT for Me the Machine is still The God King, 1 Machine Expansions are Killing Akai Expanmsions, 2 Clips in Machine is Unbeatable. Now yes key 37,61 has the Komplete Kontrol, Beat and it is not even close. But NI wowrks with Cubase not Logic. Cubase, Ableton and Studio One is Killing Logic 12 IMOP. Now I love my MPC's too it just No 2 on my list!

[@davidscott2095]

Do you think NI will release an MK4?

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Honestly I’m not sure!! I’m sure at some point they will. But like I said for now I’m more concerned about the software

[@sonexcellencea]

Agree with you bro. Make machine a usable software in the other daws please machine is not a daw

[@CrisCozy]

I have a feeling there working on a DAW

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I hope so!!! That would be insane!!!

[@alexW36912]

More compatible woth other DAWs. !! +

[@melomajestro9679]

Maschine have no daw its just the Maschine software but its not a daw- i feel Limited too I wish i could integrate it better with fl or other daws I lost my Workflow in Maschine a bit because i use the Maschine Studio and sold the mk3 but there was a update after this update i was unmotivated because its was even worst than bevor i think them only look for the newest products Whats not nice If i know this before than i sold the studio white one and hold the mk3 Now for mi its just for hihat rolls Or use it more like drum Maschine But it waste time to be honest because the Integration flow is not there

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That's fair. Maybe an update will bring you back!!!

[@scarthereddoninfinity6100]

Why don’t you just get an mpc of your choice and be caught up and making endless music I appreciate having the live 2 and I have added all the stock plugins and I’m already having the time of my life learning sonics and music theory let’s get it I’m working on a full fledged album for 2024 releases Hiphop The Genocidal Genre Volume 1 stay tuned

[@BlackBeltTitus]

I’ve been thinking about getting an MPC honestly!!!

[@scarthereddoninfinity6100]

I’m pretty sure once you feel and see the specs also build quality then get past learning you way around the machine ain’t no turning back especially when you can mix and master everything in the Daw and stand alone machine combined together and from what I can tell you would instantly become top tier

[@s.gharavi1614]

​@@BlackBeltTitusit's a completely different workflow than the Maschine, and the sounds aren't better, but Akai does what it does, as limited as it is, very well while Steinberg has never been great and always tried to do too much.

[@psboocam6330]

Maschine mk4 coming...

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Hope so!!!

[@Allogettingmoney]

NI sent me a survey that’s asked what I’d like to see moving foward. Stem separation was one of the questions

[@BlackBeltTitus]

That's awesome!!! what did you say?

[@pwho405]

Its never been a DAW c'mon guys .....

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Fair enough 😂 but I use it and love it. But definitely has its limitations

[@pwho405]

@@BlackBeltTitus no doubt and I’m pretty sure we have the same complaints as far as Maschine goes…

[@iTrensharo]

Maschine+ is an MPC One that runs Maschine firmware. It competes, its just overpriced because it lives in the wrong price bracket, buy they didn't have a choice because the MK3 is already $500+. If MK3 was $399, the Plus could be $700 and compete directly against the product it already does, practically speaking. Right now, it costs too much more than an MPC One and doesn't offer any advantages, and the price disparity is so high that even preferences becomes borderline indefensible. NI is doing terribly. They have been quite bad at updating their software to keep pace. I do agree that the MK3 is fine. But the Plus needs an update with an updated CPU (ARM) an NVMe slot and more RAM (and compatibility with Play Series Libraries and Reaktor Ensembles from Komplete) if they want to keep it at a $1K+ price point.

[@Sneakycat1971]

With AI generated music getting much better, Maschine and other companies better be looking very close at integrating this technology. If they don't, they will become obsolete. People who don't use AI will be left in the dust by people that do use it.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

It think there’s gonna be a even bigger need for music hardware in the future. Since people will want something real rather than just staring at a computer screen generating AI

[@nickwatland3565]

Doubt it . Gonna be lots of issues with it , when stuff gets too fake or not human it tends to go the other way , look at this crazy rise in rock music right now . Goes back and forth . Hopefully they do some legal stuff with ai to a extent . If not , won’t last forever .

[@Sneakycat1971]

@@nickwatland3565 have you heard about Google music Sandbox or the upcoming Suno V4 update. I'm telling you , musicians or beat makers will not be able to compete especially for music used in TV, films and other ways musicians make money besides selling songs. Rock musicians won't be able to compete either. They will end up having to cover AI generated songs and only play live.

[@Sneakycat1971]

@@nickwatland3565 you need to watch the video on Google music Sandbox and the new Suno v4 update.

[@Sneakycat1971]

@@nickwatland3565 You must have not heard the latest AI music

[@katyg3873]

Native Instruments are a complete shambles of a company since they got bought out and fired/lost half their staff. The whole Kontakt version update issue is just ridiculous for a start, for users of older (and brand new) macs, you have to have exactly the right version of Kontakt or it just won’t load anything you’ve already made. It’s shite. 7.8 is still 7. Therefore everything prior to 7.8 should still work with it. It’s utterly ridiculous that it doesn’t. Then there’s the whole non integration of the new komplete kontrol keyboard with machine. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. Then there’s the issue with maschine. No updates forever. It’s a fantastic bit of kit yet they just seem to not give a shit. Make the new one actually stand alone like the mpc, By the way. It’s pronounced mark 3 not m k 3.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah they definitely have slowed down. But I have hope for the future of maschine honestly!!

[@melomajestro9679]

Yea i agree there is no Company where iam so scary about every little Update - there was a lot of Bad experience in the past only with native Instruments Not client friendly at tall

[@ervd.o.a9269]

Maschine doesn't need anything to me it is what I make beat in and then just exported to studio one I use nothing else for my beats butt machine MK three I don't need it to be a DAW, I don't make beats in DAW so I hope they don't change anything

[@dcmadness]

Sigh....I wish a new mv would drop.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Agree!!

[@MrMrtsmith72]

Machine is effed the machine plus is azz keeps crashing

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Native instruments needs to catch up for sure

[@liothomasart]

Maschine is preparing a massive come back...just watch this summer

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Bro I hope so!!! That would be legendary!!

[@dreymorneau]

NI always do their hardware releases in October, so if we see anything this year it will probably be then

[@Ntegritty]

I think they doing something later this year. They lowered the price $200 off on all hardware 👀

[@mjrisinsd6836]

NI just tipped their hand. A $50/month subscription service which basically ensures we will never get anything standalone without being locked into recurring charges. Absolute joke. I recommend everyone preserve their current setup and hope NI doesn’t revoke access or require some authorization procedure for current perpetual license owners.

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah I hate the new subscription model a lot of DAW’s and software companies are proposing

[@StreamHottieSuperSimp]

Great rant dude. My hope is that Maschine+2 comes out somewhere with some worthy upgrades, I really want to be working standalone, so no DAW. Got my plus just two weeks ago, brand new and for a steal, and although I am still figuring things out, I like the workflow better than that of my MPC. The controlling of external hardware synths with the MPC is out of this world, though, so good. I hope NI will work on that

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah Native has a long way to go but I have a lot of hope for the future!!! Hyped to see what they have planned next!!! Whatever it is!!

[@ghostakablackpanther]

Lalal aI lol

[@porchamoorehead4611]

maschine next move is:NEW EXPANSION PACKS🤣

[@DanielIvan707]

Maschine is better. MPC’s are not powerful enough to do stems stand-alone. They need to get this worked out and stop worrying about expansions.

[@this.is.shashwat]

Maschine+ is equally underpowered on the hardware side stand-alone, its running an intel atom processor and 4 gigs of RAM, equivalent if not a downgrade from a mpc one+ hardware specs

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah but I feel like their strength is in their software. They are a software company after all. But yes I agree they could chill on the expansions 😂

[@N8oRMusic]

STEMS aka shitty mp3 sounding tracks. Not cool if you're spending a ton of money in great sounding audio interfaces and quality plugins if you're just gonna be using stems taken from fully produced samples. Learn to play actual instruments. You're productions and songwriting in general will become so much better.

[@s.gharavi1614]

Akai is a better company than Ni. That's why I use the MPC.

[@FlowFrescoHipHop]

Your trippin’ akai screwed over the guy that made mpc then didnt know what to do with it till native instruments listened to what mpc owners wanted and made machine now akai chases what native has done…… - stem separation….. but i mean if you really bout it you prolly got serato sample which has stem separation anyway… the dude in this video is trippen i use maschine studio and can make a beat without ever looking at my pc screen, i wouldnt want built in speakers bc they prolly suck compared to my mains… we got the mpc one its harder to make beats on then Maschine…. Like from start to finished beat maschine crushes mpc

[@FlowFrescoHipHop]

If you want an mpc do yourself a favor and save up for the 3000 or the 60 (one of the roger linn models) then youll have something special

[@s.gharavi1614]

FlowFrescoHipHop - I've literally been working with Akai, EMU, Ni, etc.... both as a customer and in business for over 40 years. You have no idea what you're talking about. I was there and I've been there this while time. Ni was a software only company when Akai was almost entirely hardware. Linn created the MPC for Akai and was happy to do it and it took off. The best sampler company at the time was EMU and their systems were just too complicated and costly, so they were eventually purchased by Creative Labs in the 2000s and dismantled and that made Akai the top sampler company. Then Ni wanted to make more money and got into samplers. They were last to market and their products are good, but so expensive that they basically rip off their customers. Ni has always been all about money over customers. That's the entire reason I use Akai and avoid Ni like the plague. Because I know both companies well. Stop spreading your BS.

[@FlowFrescoHipHop]

@@s.gharavi1614 my experience with “inmusic” brands has been less than pleasurable….

[@FlowFrescoHipHop]

As a customer…..

[@kingcutzz]

Yeah..maschine software is falling behing!😢😢😢

[@HitzdropBeats]

The MPC is gas we had that shit a year already not impressed serato sample sounds exactly the same it’s all in the quality of the sample anyways and it’s all on the computer anyways . I have MPC and MK3 even in the MPC software I use serato

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Yeah Serato is great too!!! all those are useful tools, it's up to everyone workflow and what they prefer!!!

[@melomajestro9679]

Serato 🔥🔥🔥 native not my Style anymore my Maschine studio white just look cool but for mi its the integration problem with other daws

[@HitzdropBeats]

@@melomajestro9679 what are you having issues with ?

[@melomajestro9679]

I dont can see the Pattern i Play in the Moment when i recording and the editing is different than i learn it just changed . It was really easier! I dont feel like learning the whole process again and again after updating- maybe it because i use the Maschine Studio.

[@Allogettingmoney]

I disagree, I’d take a maschine plus over a mpc

[@BlackBeltTitus]

Totally fair!!! is it cuz of the layout on the drum machine?