What's the Best Gateway Game in 2019?

[@davedogge2280]

Warhammer Underwords, Kill Team, Warcry and Frostgrave. Gaslands is coming up on the inside, easy and cheap to get into.

[@mikebaker6804]

Love Kill Team!

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

It's a tad different, but can also consider Gaslands into it. All you need is a 20 dollar rulebook, any matchbox cars you have kicking around, and any old D6s or scatter dice you have sitting around minimum. There is online providers for plastic templates, kitbashing parts and more, but those aren't required for getting started.

[@GrimmJD]

Can go even cheaper and buy the previous edition of the book. Can snag one for under 5 bucks. Still does just fine to play the game and costs less.

[@whatsit50]

I started painting DND minis in preparation for my 1st campaign. I got a little bored of the quality and ended up picking up the easy to build death watch and space marine models at my local game store.... now i have 1500 pts of ultramarines and i still haven't played a game of either DND or W40k yet.... haha. whoops.

[@Donpipio]

Same here. Only difference is that I began with some Pathfinder minis, not DnD.

[@Fat-Gnome]

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one recommending Gaslands. It is dirt cheap to get into, can be played with only a little terrain, and can be played in different ways, such as racing, deathmatch, capture the flag, and others. It also fuels the imagination better than quite a few wargames with the kit-bashing of the toy cars.

[@超粒方]

I would also recommend Godtear by SFG, clean ruleset, but has immense amount of depth, although it's still dice chucking, positioning and the timing of activating each unit is highly tactical and strategic. Although you don't build decks like Underworlds, you choose which 3 Warbands to bring in the the fight

[@animeninjayaya]

I was a board gamer. Normally just paint board game miniatures but you got me. Just got my first start collecting for 40K and having a great time painting them.

[@tabletopminions]

I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying it. Thanks for watching!

[@SigfridSWE]

I came back to the hobby 3 years ago. I've been trying to get my childhud friends (that I played with back in the day to get back in). It took me 2 years and the help of WH Underworlds to get them into/back to the hobby! ☺ Now we play every other week and all of us have at least two different teams eatch 😊👌🏻 Its definatly the best gateway game out there 👍🏻

[@Lilrockerdude13]

I freakin love the new shirt and the ad at the end is the perfect cherry on top. Totally agree for Underworlds being the best item right now.

[@cassman83]

This channel and Warhammer Underworlds Shadespire are responsible for me finally joining the hobby after 20 years of window watching from my local comic book shops. The small scale, cheap entry point and great game play are a perfect jumping in point. I also have used it to bring others into the hobby. So thanks for this video and to your channel for taking me from a spectator to a participant. Also thank you for the growing collection of miniatures in my basement haha

[@JakeTheSasquatch_]

Thanks to you I have built 3 kill teams and I am currently working on expanding one of those into a full blown Tyranid army. YOU are the best gateway to wargames.

[@lauphingman4699]

Great video as always. For me, I did a painting competition at a local wargaming shop and saw the first kill team box. And it slowly but surely drew me in, like you said it had everything I needed in the box and was able to start playing right away. Now on top of competition painting for Gundam model kits I am also an avid wargamer as well now.

[@DaiMongar]

I see that new shirt design, and I can't help but sing it in my head to the tune of "I Want To Break Free".

[@TheDeliciousMystery]

Underworlds. Absolutely no question. Its gotten people i know that have only ever played card games to pick up minatures, its gotten people who have only played videogames to pick up minatures. Its cheap, simple to get into with depth and competitiveness if you want it, low model count to get people over the worry of that and maybe to even try painting and a few people have even shown up when we hang out asking me to help put their AoS start collecting boxes or even moved into trying stuff like Malifaux and Bushido. Its like everything i see people find off putting about jumping into stuff like Kill Team being swept off the table entirely or dramatically lessened. Its gotten little kids into minatures, its gotten people in their 50's who were always too put off to make the plunge into them. Love or hate GW in general there is just nothing better for the price, variety and ease of entry.

[@jayceeni]

Warcry, so easy to play, and u can have a warband without breaking the bank, also, it’s models as underworlds cross over each other and AOS

[@Amity45]

One of my favorite things about Underworlds is that it's pitched as a competitive game. So I can build my deck to win, play my hardest and I don't have to worry about getting hit with "Your army's no fun" or "You're a power gamer."

[@TheCimbrianBull]

Some time ago I was introduced to the board game "Axis and Allies 1942". Great game and I was hooked immediately. However, there were a lot of small plastic pieces to keep track of. A few days ago I discovered that it's also available as a computer game on Steam. My comment isn't strictly speaking related to the topic of this video but I just thought I'd share it with anyone interested.

[@jeffwmoore]

I would recommend, "Rangers of Shadowdeep" this is just a book on DriveThru RPG which, yes doesn't have any components. But, speaking as a role-player who isn't yet into miniature gaming: this game makes me WANT to get into the hobby.

[@robsevendaysaweek]

HeroQuest past, present, future and forever

[@jeffersonjjohnson]

HeroQuest is the best game ever made, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong! -The Bard

[@PurpleAngel8261]

Why is Uncle Atoms voice so soothing :D Great video as always

[@maahesghulainn9480]

Have you tried Root? I've heard it described as a Wargame, and I'm curious how close it really is to one. I'm tempted to get either that or one version of Zombicide as a gateway into the genre

[@maxey1977]

Agree 100% huge 40k player 20 years ago, then switched to board games, just picked up underworlds to paint, and now played a few games, really like it.

[@christoler6547]

Soooo much effin bass in your voice haha. You're mic setup is almost too good. My sub just shakes everything in my computer room when I watch your vids. Great content as always tho.

[@sebastiantrost6409]

Gaslands is a great: Easy rules (especially the "rule of carnage"), cheap (your friends need 1-5 hotwheels) and a lot of fun. Grab your friends after the first game, get some (small) old electronics parts, some wire and superglue and you can customize your cars together. Talking board games: CMON's Bloodrage and Rising Sun are great games and farmiliarize people with miniatures, while also using simple mechanics (like model stats, ability and modifiers) to transition into wargiming.

[@meditationsanddimensions542]

Good question. Gateway games are really what turns a board gamer into an hobbyist. My gateway game was Space Crusade, many many many years ago. :D

[@tomg7913]

Not technically a gateway game but Bolt Action Firefight is good to get mates into. Especially the Saving Private Ryan scenarios because everyone loves those films and they require minimum models to get started and can be played quickly.

[@luuidz1966]

I started with it myself and so far have gotten 4 other pals into it, quick and easy with amazing models and playstyle diversity

[@beathitus]

Approved. WU is the standard gateway right now.Easy to learn yet quite difficult to master, great value straight out of the box. And the Beastgrave sculpts are so nice.

[@Tom-yg7ij]

I think Mantics Walking dead and hellboy are the two best gateway games, might also be worth mentioning that some of these gateway games have an opposite effect I know a lot of my hobby group have given up on all out war games and mainly play skirmish/ “gateway games”

[@VJMorph]

Oh we know that Aussie GW sticker shock feeling well!

[@joshuaclark3406]

I'm pouring one out for my Aussie homies right now (oodles of cash into GW's back pocket that is)

[@skrypthobbies]

We are paying WAY over the odds in OZ for GW stuff. I've ordered items from Poland of all places and paid less including postage ...

[@VJMorph]

I would also say Warcry is a great gateway

[@CharlieO_]

Holy Crap! The UFO point thing! - with brass horns "Waaaaaaa!" Now my kids are all looking over my shoulder to see why I'm lol-ing and pointing at my phone. You make it difficult to be a closet subscriber. :(

[@CharlieO_]

...also, you should have a t-shirt with the TTM logo that says only this: do do do-do du doo-du doo-du doo do do do-do du DO! DO! DO!

[@khadorstrong]

The thing I dont dig about Shadespire is that the OLDEST stuff gets retired after the newer set comes out. So those original gangs, you can still play but you can't play any of the neutral cards

[@danielhoffman4741]

Jay Tick it’s only the universal cards that get retired. The warbands and their specific cards are still fully legal.

[@khadorstrong]

@@danielhoffman4741 For me that's bad enough.

[@matthewf20]

Completely agree Underworlds is a great gateway system.

[@SciFiPorkChop28]

going to be EVEN better going forward as each "Season 3 Expansion" comes with a two useable decks... the worst part of S1 & S2 was someone said "oh, I really want those Goblins... but then still needs to dismantle or source out basic cards to build a deck"... much better in theory now!

[@BrianLovasz]

For me it is Kill Team, that got me back into 40k after a 9 year hiatus. Now I have 2 new large armies painted in less than a year. :)

[@jessel3621]

A Song of Ice and Fire. For someone who likes miniature gaming I feel it has slipped under your radar.

[@gaborboth3602]

The Dreadfane box could've gotten a mention. It's a sort of standalone game with different warbands and simplified decks/rules, but also some new systems, like an event deck.

[@jordanbeard6687]

That's where I was going to go for this, Dreadfane is specifically aimed at new players and at boardgame enthusiasts even more specifically. And as a bonus, the warbands from it slot into AOS really well and *drumroll* they don't suck in AOS.

[@recursivecoin359]

Frostgrave! Will be 2020s best gateway game

[@Grimmlocked]

Warhammer underworlds deck building and competitive side got my competitive magic friend to look at gw products and now we are all playing and painting warcry together

[@tabletopminions]

Glad to hear it, that’s the idea. Thanks for watching!

[@MrTotalybadical]

I am in the middle of designing a true model agnostic skirmish game. No name yet. It uses a tabled D6 combat system with interesting character creation rules. That allows for any model to be used (within reason) even lego minifigs. The setting has been done in a way that allows you to use books or dishes as terrain. Without feeling like you need to pretend there something else. Alot of boardgame players now have all of these games full of miniatures just sitting in boxes. I know I do, So I came up with a way to use them.

[@firefly128]

It depends on where the player is coming from. If it’s RPGs, I think Kill Team is a better gateway game because it has customizable gear on named infantry characters that gain experience. WarCry lacks the gear customization so that’s a harder sell. If it’s MTG or other deck building games they’re coming from, then Underworlds. If they’ve never played any kind of tabletop wargame, then Blitz Bowl is probably the answer. Sadly I think WarCry lacks the choice of aesthetics that the other systems mentioned above do. I can’t really recommend it to anyone.

[@tabletopminions]

Honestly, I don’t really see Kill Team as a ‘gateway’ game - it doesn’t really bridge the gap between board games and tabletop wargames; it IS a wargame, albeit a smaller-scale skirmish one. It’s a great entry to miniature wargames, but it’s not the ‘gateway’ that games like Underworlds are in my mind. Thanks for watching!

[@j.p.brichta5344]

I really liked the music that played during the "I Want To Pa-Chow" T-shirt bit. It reminded me of X-Files.

[@tabletopminions]

That was the idea. I got it from the Creators’ Library on KZbin. Thanks for watching!

[@charlesrowan1978]

Atom enjoyed your painting tips along with Sam but could you do a video on how to paint historicals Ancients/ Renaissance or Napoleonics. Like what is base coating a Napoleonic British? Do I paint each area first all 10-15 colors and then use washes then highlight or dry brush each area? Help !!!

[@king0vitrial]

One page rules needs more attention, it's a great easy way in.

[@thebignut5571]

I know one game that is good is zombicide, the main box is about 70$ but has close to 60 individual miniatures, a bunch of times for the table to play on, dice, easy instructions and is a cooperative game for friends

[@johnashley-smith4987]

Or myself, the best gateway game going is Gaslands. The low barrier to entry is unbeatable. The rules are relatively simple,and the cars needed to play are widely available. As an example, I got my brother-in-law and his best freind into Gaslands. Neither had played any tabletop miniature games. Ever. Within two weeks, both had completed several teams and we have been playing every Friday since! Thanks for the video Atom.

[@tabletopminions]

Gaslands is a pretty great game, I agree. Thanks for watching!

[@MatthewBester]

The little bit of string on the new design. 😂👌

[@schemesof40k]

Kill Team plays like a boardgame with meeples. You play on a board and you move your miniatures around just like board game pieces. Just how many boardgames with miniatures has GW put out?

[@janbrandt9780]

I feel that Battletech is now in position that it could be called a good gateway game. Two boxes, one with 2 miniatures&quick start version of rules and second with 8 miniatures&full rules, are IMHO good for people getting from boardgames into wargaming as miniature are preassembled.

[@archane77]

Blackstone fortress has been good for me to get a couple of people into it :) I love it, great expansions

[@mariomariolemieux982]

Gloomhaven has friends asking me to teach them painting basics and it's a very similar game, but I think both technically are 2018 games. I own both, and if I had to pick one BF edges out GH.

[@refreshdaemon]

I'm primarily a board/CCG/RPGer that dabbles in light skirmish games, but the main reason that I can't really get into wargames is the "hobby" aspect of it. I don't enjoy assembling or painting miniatures at all and I don't want to pay to have it done either. Consequently, the "wargames" that I end up playing the most are the ones where the hobby aspect is minimized. The first game that got me in was X-Wing because I like Star Wars, the minis came painted and assembled, and it was easy to understand. I thought the Funkoverse system was pretty fun and it seems like it fits the intro skirmish game as well. I also think that Wildlands (or Judge Dredd Helter Skelter if that's the theme you prefer) is a board game that also has some decent wargame adjacent vibes while being easy to grok. I've played Underworld, Age of Sigmar, and Warmachine with a friend who wanted to get me into the games with his delightfully painted minis and didn't like any of them. Maybe there is a wargame (beyond X-Wing) for me out there somewhere, but the expected hobby component (and a lot of times, the themes) largely keeps me away. The reason I watch this channel at times is because, as much as I don't enjoy painting, I do like how it improves how my board game and RPG miniatures look, so I suffer painting for my favorite games, but only for those.

[@urbexmedium1878]

great info! great vid! I really enjoy your talks Thank you

[@AnorexicShark]

star wars legion is good, its cheap fun. A song of ice and fire is also pretty nice they are pre built, the rules are simple and the starter sets come with plenty of minis. I keep people away from games with large rule sets and I think familiar ip's are good for new gamers

[@alcovitch]

I'll agree that Underworlds is a great board game, but i had to chuckle at the comment games like Zombicide are expensive. Compared to GW's insane mark up, C'mon's stuff is actually pretty reasonable. Isn't Beastgrave more expensive now than previous starter boxes while including the exact same amount of stuff?

[@mouseketeery]

No, it's the same price as before - £45 for the season starter set.

[@jeremyherndon2974]

mouseketeery no actually it’s 10$ more expensive here in the US and the Dice and Sleeves are more expensive as well.

[@alcovitch]

@@jeremyherndon2974 Exactly. They jacked the price on everything Underworlds for Season 3 and it's the same "content"

[@samuelsanfratello4617]

I really like Underworlds miniatures. Check out WarGamerGirl's painting Sepulchral Guard videos!

[@jaysimpson1689]

The new Warlord Game, Black Seas is a great gateway game. New game, very few models

[@glenndean6]

Completely agree with Underworlds. It is at this weird intersection of minis skirmish game, board game, and living card game, and works great both casually (try multi-player or the Gargant scenario) or competitively. I love that the warbands are self-contained and have a lot of variety -- it's fun and reasonably quick to paint one up and have a sense of accomplishment and some new shinies on the shelf! Plus the game is fun, balanced, and quick to play ... my observation about many other minis games is "pick any two". Now Underworlds was my "gateway" to full hobby (build/modify/paint) but not to minis -- I went X-wing => Imperial Assault (started painting) => Underworlds => Star Wars Legion & WarCry. But as soon as a new warband comes out the other stuff goes on the back burner. For RPG gamers wanting to bridge to minis I think I'd recommend son-of-Frostgrave, Rangers of Shadow Deep, though (I think it's 2019?) -- it does have RPG elements Underworlds lacks, though I think you can build an RPG-like campaign out of Underworlds without too much effort.

[@MrNyerk]

As a retired RPG gamer, I think Warcry is more appealing to me. It looks like a game in which one can imagine (or tell) a story. Plus I dislike having to build a deck (card game) for a board game (even if I also am a retired MTG ranked player). Building a warband, choosing items and traits, that's coherent with my roleplaying view of a game; but adding deck of cards is not. So, I guess which game is the "best" gateway game is related to the gamer's personal tastes and background.

[@tabletopminions]

True: as a player of RPGs, I can see the campaign system of Warcry being a lot more interesting. Thanks for watching!

[@christopher3226]

Also, have you ever tried playing Aristeia! by Corvus Belli? It is a really cool mix of war game/ board game

[@robertmeade5562]

depends on the person and what kind of games they already play if any. I'd only recommend underworlds if i knew the person had a competitive personality. They games can be very brutal sometimes. But because is so complete... providing great miniatures that are world class, tight ruleset, a hope of finding a competitive community, and everything comes in one box to get started. But i always tell people that in order to play the game competitively you should expect to have to get every starter set, but they are starting to use rotation like MTG runners up.. xwing, gaslands, zombicide. nearly every company has a boiled down version of their game these days to be a gateway game.

[@Samanar]

For people who are into Lord of the Rings there's also Battle Companies. BC is to Middle Earth Strategy Battle Games as Kill Team is to WH40k.

[@Oberkaptain]

I would say SW Legion would be a good option. There are 4 factions, you can paint your stuff how you want, and you don't need to buy rule books every couple of years as all unit stuff is on cards.

[@Nick2000AD]

Another great video mate.

[@PickleTheHutt]

I gave in to the Underworlds hype somewhat recently and bought a lot. I love the models, but hate, absolutely hate, the game. I don't find the gameplay interesting at all and I loathe the deck construction aspect. On the other hand, I love Warcry. It plays fast and fun, unlike my experiences with Underworlds (which is also fast but not fun imo), and you can play without deck or list construction. It feels much more thematic than relying on 50% chance attacks (but frequent one-shot kills) and without the garbage of relying on drawing the right cards on top of the extreme dice randomness.

[@jenslorbeer5307]

You Made many Good Points about why underworlds is the best Option. I petsonally just dont like the asthtics... It is too gorey for me. I picked up kill Team and frostgrave when i returned to the Hobby.

[@YaknSnak82]

What about Godtear?

[@kcaudle52]

I still think Kill Team is the best intro game because it is science fiction and has such a case array of factions.

[@TenkaiHimura]

I really like Ariseia! if you consider it a gateway game,

[@cindymelton9775]

I just want lizardmen

[@thewizardsclassroom6909]

Song of Blades and Hero’s. ‘Nuff said

[@arron.barnett]

Underworlds tipped the scales for me when it came to rejoining the hobby after an 8 year break. For £45 you have everything you need for 2 people to play. Also easy to drag in your mates when they just need to pay £17.50 for their own team. Now looking at building an AoS army, but it definitely requires more of an initial investment which I think long-term players forget about a little.

[@timandshannon03]

I play D&D and I found Frostgrave.............and it itched a scratch I didn't know I had. So I'd definitely consider it a Gateway game.

[@TheOuterlynx]

I agree Underworlds is a good gateway. It’s what got me with season one. I also think the new aviation game from GW would be a good one

[@Phsstpok]

While I agree, I would like to throw in some names which lead my from "nah, not my thing" to the currently intermediate "hey, i might give it a try with warcry": - Space Hulk - I think you already mentioned it as THE gateway game of games workshop which they mysteriously decided to ignore. - Dungeon Saga - which is an asymmetrical game in the style of HeroQuest.. but actually not a very good one. I doesn't seem to know what it would like to be... it is neither a HQ clone nor a real competiative strategic game. But it certainly builds a bridge from cooperative/roleplaying dungeon crawl to competative game with miniatures, different abilities, ranges, movement, etc. But mostly I think AVP would have served the purpose of a gateway game for tabletop best. AVP is more or less a child of Space Hulk and the Alien-Predator-Franchise. In its base boxed set it is competative board game, where 2 to 3 players take charge of predators, aliens and colonial marines/yutani forces to complete mission objectives. Each faction feature vastly different abilities, restrictions and style of play. There were (and still are) a lot of specific models to buy as add on in push forces. They feature a point system to balance out customized forces. AND - and that is I think what it makes the obvious gateway game. They offer(ed) a slim book to buy in which they detailed the tabletop rules for use with the boardgame content. Unfortunately, Prodos lost the license from Disney and had to stop the support. But you can still find the core boxes, and various expansions at ebay or local stores. Even the APC unit. Although the dropship is not available as it was custom-made for each order.

[@WillSpengler]

I'd say Space Hulk was trying to be Aliens, but I digress 😅 The reissues they did over the past 5-10 years for Space Hulk are nice, always seemed to sell out fairly quickly, so surprised they didn't keep it as a more regular release.

[@MrParcivous]

I am confused... what is this... "too many models" you speak of ?

[@naramoro]

"Relicblade" got me started lol. Probably the most indie option out there (1 man enterprise)

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

Personally, I think that Kill Team is the best, as it is a true wargame, but it costs a lot less than a full army would cost. The models are the same as 40k, and the armies are variable and interesting.

[@christopher3226]

Have you tried Zombicide: Invader? It is so good! I will one day paint the whole box and kickstarter exclusive

[@aliginnit90501]

If you haven't looked at aristeia I think you should. The game is similar to underworlds in some ways but I think the aesthetic is more appealing to people as it is more light hearted and despite being easy to play it is far deeper than underworlds

[@nodermark8922]

I really wish GW would make a 40k version of underworlds. I love AOS but 40k holds a special place in my heart.

[@geronimo8159]

Isn't Necromunda more or less just that?

[@nodermark8922]

@@geronimo8159 probably but i wanna play with orks, eldar, space marines, choas, etc. (gangs are not for me)

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

Kill Team

[@nodermark8922]

@@isaiahfurrow7414 kill team still has too many models combinations and weapon options for a beginner like me. Underworlds just has the same models for every team. I just have to decide on the painting scheme

[@DMNKLR_official]

I just wish that the AoS warscrolls for Underworlds factions didn't suck so much. :/

[@LXGoat]

If they would be better, a lot of ppl would complain, about "have to buy" miniatures from another game.

[@SciFiPorkChop28]

TBH, AOS and GW players are already buying plenty... would one more thing really set them off? lol...

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

Alexander When players are buying 10 Witch Elves for $60, not a single player is going to bat an eye getting a solid army piece, 4-5 models, for $25-30, and oh hey, they now have a force for WU. The WU pieces can also stand in as alternate sculpts for AoS models (The Stormcast from Nightvault are where you get the other 2 Evocators for Soul Wars)

[@DMNKLR_official]

@@LXGoat Lmao, not even close to correct. There are tons of people in the hobby, that complain about how they want better rules for these factions. Literally nobody anywhere has said anything to indicate any truth to what you said. It makes no sense whatsoever. Better rules = better sales, period. GW intentionally gimped the AoS rules for Underworlds factions, in order to prevent people from buying them for AoS and not playing Underworlds. Rather than making them great for both, they made them great for one and terrible for the other, in order to keep Underworlds sales up.

[@TheDeliciousMystery]

Its forge world rules, make them competitive and then you get accused of pay to win mechanics.

[@frostyz_1166]

Warcry is good its simple and comes from one of the best wargaming brands and is easy to learn

[@Bassmunchkin1]

Excellent thoughts, opinions and I totally agree with you as always

[@entredeuxbouchees]

Wow, would you share what kind of mic you use? Your voice is so commercial! :D

[@tabletopminions]

I use a shotgun mic on an overhead boom connected to a digital audio recorder via XLR. I record the audio separately and then sync it with the video in post. Thanks for watching!

[@entredeuxbouchees]

@@tabletopminions A NTG or something else?

[@sodaaddict2225]

I just got Underworlds: Beastgrave in the mail this week - though I'm not sure it counts as gateway for me, I'm been doing Kill Team for awhile now

[@wellhungindung]

Frostgrave, about 20 minis per side at the most plus some npc's. Relatively cheap rules and a fun game.

[@tabletopminions]

Frostgrave is a great minis game, but I wouldn’t say it’s a ‘gateway’ game, but it’s a great minis game with some RPG elements. Thanks for watching!

[@SPACENOMADMALEV]

Something something Relicblade. :D

[@tabletopminions]

Relicblade is pretty awesome (great models and artwork, and the models of theirs I’ve seen painted on the website are straight fire ;) my man) but I would say it’s an actual entry to miniatures wargaming, and not a gateway TO wargaming. It’s more of a destination, and good for beginners and veterans alike. Thanks for watching!

[@SPACENOMADMALEV]

@@tabletopminions ;) Cheers my man !! Good points, and fair observation. Certainly true for people that are already well versed in our realms. But I've found that Relicblade is perfect for adapting young minds to miniature wargaming better than nearly any game I've encountered. Since the core rules straightforward, it allows teaching very young kids how to play miniature wargames pretty simply and several parent-players in our Relicblade group have used the games mechanics to introduce their kids to playing with models, measuring in inches in addition to simple arithmetic. (relicblade rarely goes above the 12).

[@arielsanchez465]

Underworlds hands down. It is what got me into wargaming.

[@vincentlopata7061]

Underworlds may loon like a gateway game, but if you are looking for a good deck yiu have to buy more and more team. Quite discouraging

[@Dje1025]

Just bought my blood for the blood God shirt 😈😈😈😈

[@blazejbch]

I love WH:U, but I'd suggest Blitz Bowl as an entry game.

[@ryanswartout7311]

I have a question for everyone. I am looking for a . . . anti-Gateway game. So, a sub section of my friends and I play board games, I have tried a number of time to introduce them to table top games and the concept of spending any time 'assembling' their force is not their thing. The length of most of the tabletop games also does not appeal to them. However I greatly enjoy 40k on Friday nights with my other friends. Is there a game out there that will give me the feel of a miniature game, while at the same time being a board game for my friends. Conditions would be self contained and game play 30-90 mins. While at the same time giving me my miniature fix.

[@warpseer]

Blackstone Fortress can be very self contained as a board game. It is kinda a campaign but you can also just play a couple rounds quickly

[@Caratacus1]

Gaslands. No contest.

[@wileydutkiewicz3569]

Battletech. Best gateway drug ever. It has everything, and it can be cheap to get into but expensive to REALLY get into. Even has a card game if you can find them! (Super cheap if you buy the old Clix.)

[@MediOgrePainter]

errr..... dreadfane? its the gateway game to the gateway game

[@joaocaldinhas]

I disagree on Underworlds mostly because it's a card game with minis and not a miniature game with some cards. There is no list building, 3 dimensional terrain rules, tactical movement, LOS, etc. The fact you have only 12 activation in the whole game makes what you do with the models alone a very small part of the game. I think Warcry (for example) is a better gateway wargame from GW.

[@andrewjones8453]

Im just getting into the idea of warhammer and im on a budget but would like something the wife can play with me what will i get my money out of just the normal 40k or age of sigmar, kill zone ,warcry ,apocalypse ect they all seem pleaseing

[@thecoolerrats7144]

X-wing or Armada.

[@MoragTong_]

Excited for Infinity Defiance! Rangers of Shadow Deep is a good one, Frostgrave is old news. No surprise the topic of conversation is ANOTHER GW game. You should get them to kick you down some money, you push their stuff like you're a shareholder.

[@nickdidlick9138]

Another great video, I’d love to see you do a video on how to manage impulse buying with new models. I think all of us have stacks of models unpainted but if you could teach some tips on how to exercise restraint I think a lot of people would benefit. Keep up the good work!!

[@jeffersonjjohnson]

If Deadzone were more accessible, I'd throw their hat in the ring.

[@Daemonish]

JeffersonJohnson I am interested what makes it inaccessible?

[@jeffersonjjohnson]

@@Daemonish physical availability, half baked assembly instructions. I don't think their models are too friendly to people new to the hobby. Mostly physical availability. 90% of my stuff came from Ebay. P.S. put a Mazon/Mercs list online to get more mileage from Star Saga...make a Mazon. It takes significantly more work to get into Mantic stuff than GW. And I say this as a Mantic fan