What’s the Best Minivan for 2021? - Cars.com

[@Utbr88]

So many haters and whiners here. Just test drive them all and buy whatever you feel the best. These guys just provide review based on their own experience. It is all subjective.

[@rustynail7866]

Except they aren't available, anyway, so love what you are driving, LOL.

[@Bernie398]

Couldn’t have said it better!

[@rohitk8498]

Yea good luck test driving these cars during the supply chain issues.

[@kasemaker1119]

I love minivans because with these types of cars it seems like the manufacturers actually care based on the little things, like a vacuum ,the power sliding doors, multi directional rear seats, and the amenities all make minivans worth the money.

[@yungdolphin9130]

U make a good case

[@melissamybubbles6139]

This was a nice, practical review. Thank you. The only major thing missing was reliability.

[@hansdoreen]

And it's actually my #2 most important point. #1 being safety.

[@MatthewSemones]

if they added reliability KIA would not have placed 1st... leaving that MAJOR catagory out seriously skews this review.

[@AB-nv7bz]

@@MatthewSemones IDK. They make really solid cars now. The Pacifica on the other hand, lol. I read a motor trend long term test and it was a disaster.

[@RobAcker2]

Practical, please! They worry about cup holders and USB ports but ignore reliability and resale. Value seems to equal gadgets.

[@hollywoodthedj1673]

@@RobAcker2 .. I’m definitely all about reliability as well wich of them are the most reliable is all I care about

[@jimdeboer84]

I have a 2018 Pacifica and LOVE it! With 287 hp, seamless tranny, and excellent handling, it’s a blast to drive. Stow and go seats make for a cavernous cargo area big enough to haul 4x8 sheets of plywood lying flat on the floor without removing any sheets. For me, the ride is just right. Very comfortable but not so soft as to ruin the handling but not so firm as to wear you out on a long drive and the turning radius is so tight you could practically run into yourself. The only problem I’ve had was a failed spark plug, but that’s not the van’s fault and it was quickly diagnosed and replaced at an independent garage. Anyway, please at least test drive a Pacifica. I think you might really like it.

[@doThatGWalk]

How else do you like it? Would you get the Hybrid version?

[@sportturismo_4s]

@@doThatGWalk I actually thought the Pacifica drove the worst. Handling was too light and acceleration was god awful. I do like the accessibility of the stow n go seats but thats about it. I have a 2019 Odyssey EX and it's been great so far. Great acceleration (that's why it is the "quickest" minivan in its class lol) and pretty good handling. Again, any of these options are fine, it all depends on what you're looking for.

[@normt430]

@@doThatGWalk there is $7,500 tax credit on Pacifica Hybrid none on Sienna Hybrid. Plus the 30 miles before using gasoline will cover most hauling to and from the school. Stow n go is only lost on 2nd row which actually have thicker padding as they are not folding into floor.

[@sarsonsar0]

@@normt430 I think stow n go lost on 2n row because of batteries positioned there in the hybrid.

[@normt430]

@@sarsonsar0 yes, the 3rd row is still stowable. But the fixed 2nd row became better cushioned now in the PacHy.

[@erichernandez7553]

After 10 years, only two of these will outlive the others still running at peak performance.... and my Sienna and Odyssey family can relate to this! He he he he =D

[@bull6950]

Exactly that's what I was thinking. They number them backwards. 1# Sienna 2# Odyssey 3# Pacifica 4# Carnevale

[@kenardoevans6735]

I was thinking the same thing, that was completely backwards.

[@advancespark]

Kia has upped is reliability game quite a bit, and Odysseys have always been plagued with transmission issues. So, yes and no.

[@ozarkliving7263]

@@bull6950 truth

[@alicat825]

Yeah this review video is a total joke. This couple is just a couple of entitled rich brats reviewing the luxury aspects of sub-par vehicles. “How Pretty Should It Be” should be the title.

[@triguywon9938]

The best mini van in 2021 is anyone you can actually find on the dealer lot. The MSRP is a joke, add $10,000, cause that's what you are going to pay.

[@jjchockey]

I’d try to find an honest dealer. My dealership isn’t selling anything over MSRP even special edition 392 wranglers. We are still selling everything UNDER MSRP.

[@chudson4500]

Exactly its going on nationwide! unfortunately because there are people out there still buying over sticker why would they stop? I dont blame them

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Blame the dealer and gullible buyers, not the vehicle.

[@TheNondiscriminatory]

10k+ is unrealistic. I paid about 4k over sticker for my carnival, but that did include window tint, ceramic coating, and other crap.

[@TheNondiscriminatory]

@@JohnLee-db9zt no. It's a sellers market. You WILL NOT be paying MSRP for the carnival or other high demand vehicles.

[@dentn4676]

Hi, just wanted to give a reminder that the Toyota Sienna has 2 pilot seats and there is a pathway between the seats which allows passengers to move into the third row seat. You do not need to make any adjustment of the center seat to go into the third row seats.

[@poppyneese1811]

My CompanyVan is a 2020, Voyger, Pacifica’s cheaper sister, just drove it from Southerb West Virginia to Salt Lake City Utah, 27 hour trip, averaged 30 mpg, very comfortable, across Wyoming with wind never felt any blowing. Only complaint sometime shifting out of over drive into a lower gear, felt and heard it. Would definitely buy this van!

[@ben_clifford]

We're you driving the whole time? I just rode around for 10 days in a voyager and I found it SUPER uncomfortable... but the difference could be that the passenger seat doesn't adjust AT ALL. I was surprised and annoyed because I've never seen a van that DIDN'T have adjustable seats for the passenger... so it felt like something had been taken away. Lol

[@Gengar4x4]

If the van has Sienna’s AWD reliability with Kia’s Exterior design = My Perfect Minivan (IMO)

[@vinhmao9895]

for real...:">

[@KristiLEvans1]

Agreed.

[@rollofffrank2008]

Good review but I think reliability and resale value are more important than a vacuum, not in the consideration. Also I know they are not given a choice of trim levels but you can't base the value fairly like that. A base Toyota Sienna is close to $23,000 less than the top of the line with the same drivetrain and body!

[@Natethegreat200c]

The Chrysler minivan is reliable as well.

[@putitherepls]

It's already a given. Toyota and Honda will be more reliable. With Toyota having the better resale value. Do keep in mind, when I say that, I'm talking about the company overall. Kia and Chrysler/dodge were/are known to not be reliable. But they have gotten a bit better throughout the years. At the end of the day, choose one you like,and as long as you take care of it. It should last a long time. Unless you get unlucky.

[@tcjha6250]

putitherepls true. I own sienna 2011 234k miles. Still running great.

[@TheTrev4477]

Anybody that that thinks KIA/Hyundia have poor reliability hasn't done research since the early to mid 2000's. I do own a 2000 Tacoma with 250k and a 2012 Honda Odyssey that just rolled 125k relatively low maintenance miles. I would never consider a new Tacoma based on their quickly falling reliability ratings and user reported issues but I would still consider the Sienna when it comes time to replace my Odyssey, but most likely I will be going with the KIA for the bang-for-the-buck and their reliability.

[@millerfamadventuresandsports]

@@tcjha6250 I drive a 2011 also. 213,000 miles & running great! We replaced the alternator once but nothing else.

[@dawinestrella191]

-Now we are going to test them on snow roads. Sienna: Hold my beer.

[@bigpoppa1992]

The chrysler Pacifica is also awd.

[@dawinestrella191]

@@bigpoppa1992 Yes, you're right. But is like the Pacifica just got into the bar. 😆 And the others can hold it's beer too. 😃 The AWD Pacifica is a nice option too for those with snowy winters.

[@dryananderson]

AWD only helps when starting to drive from a stop in snowy conditions. Once you are moving, AWD doesn’t add any safety or handling. Snow tires are WAY more effective. If you actually care, just get snow tires for the winter.

[@dawinestrella191]

@@dryananderson AWD plus good snow tires is better. There is review of the sienna and the guy took if off road. And it performed really well.

[@vityok3000]

I have Sienna XLE and front seats adjust up and down just fine. You can sit as low as in sport car. Bottom seat button presses not only forward backward but up and down as well if you dont know

[@PaulHo]

Stow-N-Go is cool, if you only want to sit on glorified beach chairs with seat belts. The Carnival runs away with all the features, but I'm assuming most families will really have peace of mind with reliability in the Sienna. That hybrid system is bulletproof.

[@mumwifeteacher]

no one buys a mini van to sit in the middle seats. They buy them for the space and flexibility and Stow-N-Go is the game changer dodge wins every time. I can't believe no other mini van offers folding middle seats.

[@PaulHo]

@@mumwifeteacher parents are just throwing kids in the trunk again? Are you trying to paint vans as more capable of hauling than trucks?

[@normt430]

Toyota has been recalling Prius hybrid system for decades and sometimes to replace the same thing like inverters, multiple times. It is far from bulletproof.

[@PaulHo]

@@normt430 that's an interesting statistic, and sounds great, only because Toyota has been producing hybrids for decades to have recalls for decades. Most recalls have been software related or for things like the spare tires. Toyota hybrids aren't spontaneously combusting or rolling over on themselves.

[@stefantakacs]

@@mumwifeteacher the reason is Dodge has the patent for folding your seats in the floor. Like toyota has the patent for full rear window up and down in their trucks.

[@martykong7026]

Kind of surprised that Sienna and Honda were bottomers.. BUT the Kia and Chrysler were just that much better :) THANKS MUCH!

[@americanreality2462]

Dear lord... so much complaining, criticizing, and ripping apart these vans, which really are fine overall. I've had a Sienna and an Odyssey and thought they were both fine. Neither was perfect and each had minor issues, but they are both good in their own right. I test drove the Carnival as well and was very impressed with it! On another note, does anyone else remember the days when we were happy with a decent car that got us from one place to another? And that was the point of having a car! I have hdmi in my car and have absolutely no idea what it even does!! We don't even use it!

[@regalgs51]

I think you’re missing the entire point of this comparison video. It’s a comparison video for a reason: they’re here to point out the good and bad of each van. To me, they’re not complaining as much as they’re observing. If all they did was say positive things about every van and nothing negative, then this wouldn’t be a comparison review at all and it would serve absolutely no purpose to minivan buyers.

[@americanreality2462]

@@regalgs51 I get the point. There's still a lot of criticizing. You can compare and contrast without so much criticism.

[@oneopinion6806]

I think being critical is fine at the price point of modern cars. if you're going to back-in-my-day this I'd say if you told me even 10 years ago $42k was going to be seen as the affordable choice I'd be responding that I didn't know Lexus made a minivan. That these vehicles can blow past $50k is nuts. They darn well should be nitpicked at that cost.

[@kasemaker1119]

@@americanreality2462 how are they being critical, they are just telling it like it is… The only reason people accepted old car interiors because they were the top of the line of their day and making a car that sells was way simpler back in the 90s than in 2021. Especially since the minivan market is one of the most competitive in the car manufacturing game period…

[@WesselsReaper]

Bought my 2021 Sienna XSE in January and I love it!

[@markgrabowski1192]

We purchased a Pacifica in 2022. We liked the Kia and Honda. Both were asking for a premium in addition to full list price and the Kia dealer was asking for a $10,000 premium and would only order the top configuration, Which we didn’t want … who needs reclining rear seats.? The top Kia configuration plus the up charge meant about $25,000 more than the Pacifica. it was easy to walk away from the Kia And As an older couple, my back really loves the stow go seats in the Pacifica.

[@lancemarie17]

Got my 2021 Sienna LE two weeks ago. Averaging 37 mpg. Drive is very smooth and quiet. Just going uphill you will hear engine work

[@normt430]

Car & Driver and Edmund's are only getting 31.9 in their Sienna!

[@lancemarie17]

@@normt430 i used to get 18-19mpg on my 2017 Sienna. Now I get 37-38. Same stlye of driving. I live in LA. It works best on traffic. Just full EV mode on 20 mins of traffic

[@normt430]

@@lancemarie17 not everyone lives in traffic or can use hills to regen.

[@lancemarie17]

@@normt430 thats true. Breaking regen will be you best bet when driving in flats

[@ericb5273]

@@normt430 They put it on sport mode and drive it like a scalded dog. Driving like that and still getting over 30 is an accomplisment. If you put it in ECO, it turns on EV mode by default and frankly, why would anyone not drive it in EV mode, which can be enabled in all driving modes? EV mode enables the electric motor to run on its own if it's able to propel the vehicle without the need of the gas engine. I'd be interested in the last time you saw any professional tester of an enthusiast rag get anywhere close to the EPA MPG.

[@blakaxe]

Reliability and resale value should be part of the review

[@cderry]

They very clearly didn't want the Sienna or Odyssey to win. This was a contrarian review to many, many other reviews out there that all put the Sienna and Odyssey way ahead. It's funny because they said the Carnival looked quality, but then mentioned it wasn't leather and then said how bad the switches were. My family watched a ton of reviews and what won in the end for us was long term reliability and MPG. So the Sienna was a verrrrry easy choice. Especially after 10 years of Odyssey ownership.

[@kasemaker1119]

I mean, these models literally just rolled out so you can’t really discuss reliability on a basically brand new car

[@lmc333]

Kia cars are very reliable... I have one Sedona very and never visited the shop in 8 years... Very proud of my Kia

[@davidr9876]

I like that you were not afraid to offend the manufacturer and pointed out shortcomings

[@isaac198428]

KIA has been making great vehicles lately and rivaling the old big dogs in the park. Stinger GT, Telluride, K5 and now Carnival all go head to head and even beat the rivals. Took a few mistakes to perfect the art but KIA/Hyundai brand have caught up. Better late than never!

[@waynecartwright9478]

absolutely not ! I am an automotive engineer for 18+ years and every car you mention is highly problematic......

[@isaac198428]

@@waynecartwright9478 “Look at me, I’m an automotive engineer so everyone should listen to me and discredit everyone else’s opinion because I’m the truth” 😂🤣😂 Sir these vehicles are flying off the lot even when folks like you hate on them. Your resume hasn’t impressed anyone neither has your opinion, it’s like if I said I’m a professional driver so know everything about driving and what others say is irrelevant unless they drive professionally like me. lol

[@waynecartwright9478]

@@isaac198428 you deserve a Kia , keep hovering in those double digits......

[@Crest686]

This comment did not age well. So many recalls on these models.

[@gamingwitharlen2267]

@@Crest686 recalls fix the issue though plus only 4 recalls for that model they tested

[@steimystein4368]

I rarely carry people, and I don't need car seats. I carry equipment, but I like my luxury while driving from gig to gig. The big draw is the stow and go. Plus I like all the features. That's why I chose the Pacifica Limited S model.

[@savagejoego]

I would think that parents/families care about safety and yet this review overlooked safety and only cared about the features/technology. Interesting.

[@TheGomezIndustries]

I’d rather have superior protection for my love ones in the second row with advance seat airbags in the Sienna. Plus, it’s the most durable of all the minivans. Those two screens in the Pacifica are laggy and you should instead get your kids iPads. Who still watches DVDs anyway when you have Netflix, Disney, and KZbin?!?! Sienna is the only hybrid that has AWD.

[@andresamson8859]

Agree with you, why bother with second row not being removable... (which they are if you really need to... 4 bolt...) you buy a minivan to move people with cargo, not to use as a pick-up truck or a Panel. If i need that much room for 4x8 plywood, i'll take my trailer with me, that's all. Hybrid + AWD with 35 MPG is the deciding factor for me, which is for me a lot more important than smooth material that serves no purpose at all. I also hate that they always compare the top model, which very few people buy anyway, I'd rather see a most popular model comparaison, which is normally the mid trim level. If you need two children screen, buy a set of Amazon tablets at 250$ and let them play with it, they dont reach the front seat with their tiny arms anyway... Also, misleading info from her, saying that there's anoying noise from the CVT... there no ''CVT'' in the Sienna, no belt, no clutch, no slipage whatsoever. It's a single planetary gear set with 2 electric motor... what you hear is simply the engine reving up.

[@TheGomezIndustries]

@@andresamson8859 I agree with you, the Sienna is by far the smarter choice. The planetary gear set coupled with an electric motor is what Toyota called an eCVT that is very different and significantly more durable than a normal CVT that uses belts or chains and pulleys like what you can find Nissans and Subarus. But you’re right CVTs doesn’t make noises, it is the engine that makes all that noise. Those two so called car journalists should be reviewing potatoes instead of cars.

[@andresamson8859]

@@TheGomezIndustries cup holders and USB port seems a lot more important than safety, cost of ownership and reliability. Have you heard them talk about braking distance or avoidance aid system ? No… they talk about tune button’s feel

[@normt430]

Most don't need AWD and the Pacifica Hhbrid gets +80 mpge and 30 miles before gas is used. Toyota cannot match that! Plus that $7,500 fed tax credit makes it the smartest choice.

[@andresamson8859]

@@normt430 it depends on what’s your situation. 30 mile becomes 20ish in winter, and is estimated to 23 miles on highway during summer. On a 200 mile route, tester has end up with 31 MPG (including the 20ish first free miles provided by the PHEV). So doing the math, it did about 29MPG once the gaz engine kicked in, compared to 36MPG for the Sienna. In my case, i live in Quebec, so AWD is definitly a must, and i do 60 miles everyday to go to work, plus very often longer than that on weekend. So again doing the math, I get about the same total fuel consumption during the week, better during weekend, i dont have to bother plugin it in everyday and i’ve got awd. But again, it all depends on your situation, both are great product, but for different applications

[@justintheory7417]

0:34 is a great look at the styling from a birds perspective. Rare to see them all at once to decide which you like best.

[@ozarkliving7263]

Pacifica? Tons of reliability and longevity issues? Chrysler/Fiat/Dodge are horrific, ask any mechanic.

[@polievets1]

Love my Pacifica I think this is the most convenient car ever

[@CharlotteSoccerHighlights]

Unfortunately also the most unreliable of the 4

[@Natethegreat200c]

@@CharlotteSoccerHighlights it’s not

[@normt430]

@@CharlotteSoccerHighlights Pacifica is one of the highest ranking and most reliable according to Consumer Reports.

[@ciannacoleman5125]

As someone who grew up in a 2000? Chevy van with probably first gen single tiny scree entertainment system I found the negative comments on usb ports and entertainment systems highly amusing lol. Stow & go is definitely a must for cargo purposes

[@classikz]

While I might have preferred the Kia, I ultimately chose the Odyssey because it was Available, will have better resale value than the Kia, adjustable armrest that are attached to the seat (big comfort feature for me), the big space in the front for storage, and just overall seemed very well put together. I checked out a XLE Sienna and everything seemed poorly fitted and didn't feel nearly as nice as the Kia or Honda. Another important factor is the Dealer support. I've owned a few Kia vehicles in the past 5 years and the dealers are just not great for service or issues. They sold me a vehicle which had a year's worth of free oil changes and when I mentioned how much to upgrade to synthetic oil, the service manager said you don't need it, only if you drive a high performance vehicle like a corvette.

[@hassankhan]

I own a Pilot and Camry, and I'm not a big fan of Honda at all .... Drive quality of Toyota us phenomenal, while the maintenance cost is far cheaper too! O would not spend $50,000 on these gas guzzlers but rather put $20,000 more and get a Tesla Model Y.

[@depecheddurand]

Honda`s have transmission problems get a toyota.

[@ptflyboy87]

I've got the Honda Odessey and I am very happy with everything except the transmission. It is incredibly slow to react to throttle input.

[@ahbrian]

Kia Carnival will be like Telluride in the minivan market.

[@UnitedDestinyEntertainment]

The New Toyota Sienna for a family of 7 or 8 is the best option. All of the complaints in this video are really dumb in my opinion. If you get good MPG, nice features and it performs well. What is there to complain about? You are 2 parents with 2 or 3 kids. Try 5 or 6

[@ruggv6217]

Thanks for not glazing over the deficiencies of Toyota and giving it an automatic win because it's a Toyota.

[@normt430]

Sienna gets the pass right now as No. 1 in Consumer Reports rankings but the KIA Carnival will be stealing that spot soon. With Honda Odyssey not even recommended by CR, the Pacifica Hybrid and $7,500 fed tax credit is the real winner here. The 30 miles on battery and no gas needed will cover most daily kiddo hauling. Make mine the Lexus Sienna, or Pacifica Pinnacle!

[@lifesucks3835]

I'd pick the carnival or Pacifica personally

[@normt430]

@@lifesucks3835 I just checked Consumer Reports and the carnival is number one now

[@waynecartwright9478]

@@normt430 consumer reports lost all credibility more than 14 years ago and is only for fools that don't know this....

[@normt430]

@@waynecartwright9478 no single surveyor is perfect and neither is subscrjber based CR. But CR has Korean's on top of Toyota in many segmenrs.

[@NT-to6dy]

I have a 2020 Pacifica plug in hybrid and it’s by far the best. I test drove new sienna and the interior quality and noise were a turn off. Honda was loaded with cheap and hard plastics. Kia wasn’t out. Got limited with all the bells and whistles including pano, Napa leather, deep mocha interior color, and 20 speaker system ($51k-plug in), $45,500 after dealer discounts, rebates, and nys taxes (8%). Bought $2k Mopar warranty, additional 2yrs, equivalent to manufacture warranty for 5 yrs 75 k bumper to bumper overall warranty. Then I got another $7500 federal tax credit. Total after everything, $40k. My entire family, extended as well, are impressed. Great ride, handling, power, refinement, interior quality, and attractive exterior if get right edition. Fuel economy, 32-35 miles pure electric and average 80-100 mpge (No joke, 80-100 repeatedly). In winter, drops to 45-60 mpge due to heater being on and battery performance in cold. When battery runs out, 30-40mpg bc works as hybrid. Due to my commute to work being 10-15 miles, I’m all electric and fill up once a month or two. When I do put gas in, I only fill 1/2 tank bc don’t want to haul around and use old gas. I’ve owned 3-vans, by far the best. After 5 yes, can trade in or keep. Battery and charging/electrical warranties upto 10-yes 150k.

[@djkenny1202]

What model and options?

[@NT-to6dy]

2020 pacifica hybrid limited, pano, 20 speaker system, back seat entertainment, safety sense with adaptive cruise, and everything that comes standard with limited

[@chynacash3138]

@@NT-to6dy Love my '17 Limited non-hybrid because I knew my husband would use stow-n-go often... His father tried to talk us out of buying it and buy a Toyota or Honda which I felt like both had zero style. I'm at almost 80k miles and never a hiccup. Love my pretty 'Cifica.

[@ChrisH421]

Really cool glad to hear you are enjoying it you don't have to worry about old gas the van will kick on the engine and use the gas if it sences its been sitting in the tank to long. I've had a similar experience with mine I have a 3 mile commute to work and daycare and school are both about a mile away from home most of our day to day trips are within about a 10 mile range so rarely use gas day to day

[@jeffc1347]

I would never ever buy a Chrysler product no matter how many bells and whistles and whatever price. Got better things to be doing than going to the garage to get things fixed constantly.

[@medea6300]

I love minivans! I have an Odyssey and is awesome. I bought it when it was topdog. But now I would be hard pressed to choose between it and the Pacifica or Carnival. The Sienna definitely took a step back. Especially with amenities. Very disappointed with the Sienna. The hate minivans get is stupid and very much superficial.

[@marcorsxwhite]

of all the minivans out there, I still like the Odyssey better.

[@medea6300]

@@marcorsxwhite if they could just update the infotainment and screens in the back, it would be a no brainier. I mean it is still better than the Sienna, even after it's update. Love my Odyssey.

[@normt430]

Make it Pachy with $7,500 fed tax credit and Sienna Hybrid doubling +80 mpge!

[@backwoodsbully9841]

Agreed! I think we should look into A Kia for sure. I love the look!!

[@wakawaka8736]

I agree. Had sienna prius camry avalon and toyota in general took a step back.

[@rayl7225]

Thank you both for a great review. There is a buyer for each model, based on personal values, needs and wants.

[@SVSky]

I love our van and we have no kids, we go everywhere with it.

[@Bear10785]

Went on road trips with all the vans except for the carnival, and I’ll say our favorite by far was the odyssey. The back captain chairs on the Pacifica aren’t very comfortable. The sienna gets amazing gas mileage but sometimes the engine really struggles getting on the highway when you have pass people on the road. The odyssey feels purpose built, family hauler with interior materials that are made for longevity.

[@davidcataldo8049]

The Toyota Sienna wins in MPG, build quality and the fact that it's simply a Toyota - the highest quality car maker right now. It's pretty laughable to not buy it for some of the reasons they highlighted on here.

[@joea1018]

Everyone that I know that owns a Kia regret the purchase after 5 years because they break down less than 80k miles ( new engine, transmission etc.)

[@jreinel1966]

Hybrid is the way to go,I'm an uber driver and I'm currently driving the 21 toyota sienna,36 milles per gallon makes me to forget about any other mini van,it's worth it,I just put 22.000 milles in 4 months on the mini van so I know what I'm taking about...!

[@antimon40]

Until you need to go to a mechanic and see the bill

[@Abesta83]

@@antimon40 not really, Toyota has nailed their hybrid setups. Good for an easy 200-300k. Their CVT is the best in the business, as long as you perform regular fluid changes. The engine is a basic 4 cylinder Toyota unit. What bill are we worrying about here? I've bought and sold toyota hybrids for almost 2 decades. now own and operate an import shop specializing in Toyotas. I'd take the toyota based on the powertrain and name alone. you couldn't give me a chrysler product. We had 4 shuttle vans a couple of years ago, Absolute disasters.

[@antimon40]

@@Abesta83 Really? How about Prius from 2008? I hear that the battery is bad after around 150k miles. And how about Toyota sealing up their transmission, removing the trans fluid dipstick, and calling the trans fluid a lifetime fluid? That is a backward move from Toyota. Also what's up with the unremovable second-row seat? That eliminates the utilitarian aspect of a minivan, and that's a dealbreaker for me.

[@hollywoodthedj1673]

@@antimon40 .. wow that’s crazy!

[@MrRussian2023]

@Sebastian Nugroho my sister inlaw has a 2007 prius with 211k miles when the hybrid battery light lit up went to get it checked out and they said 4 cell batteries went bad still driving with the light on no issues.

[@ethangonzalez5205]

I'm a 17 yr old highschooler who drives a manual Mazda 3... This is still entertaining 🤣

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Don’t worry. You’ll get one of these when you have 4 kids.

[@ethangonzalez5205]

@@JohnLee-db9zt hahaha it's inevitable

[@new_nonsense]

The Sienna gives amazing gas mileage and in todays market that is what matters the most to most consumers. I test drove the Pacifica Hybrid as well and liked the vehicle and drive quality but the Chrysler badge makes me nervous in terms of long term reliability.

[@Nasirsfoodandtravel]

Yeah don't mess with Fiat chrysler's the reliability is sooooo bad with those stupid fiat transmissions engines and the rest of the actual car

[@dcman4902]

@@Nasirsfoodandtravelfalse, the Chrysler fan still has an old school 3.6 tried an true v6 that’s actually been around for awhile, and the transmission never had any issues… Chrysler has been making vans longer than them all an they make them well… mine has 350k on the original engine and transmission. I take care an service it like you should any car. Plus the stow and go seats are a game changer… can literally camp an sleep in the car you have so much room

[@sdk1991zzang]

What is the point of having a hybrid to save money on gas when the price of the vehicle itself is >$10k more expensive than the lowest priced competing vehicle?

[@CL-nj3zs]

Everything has its price. In this case, the added price is to get 35mpg and overall reliability.

[@dragonx1159]

it is the top trim, you can go lower trim xle, xse for around 43k

[@JoseFernandez-wu8pj]

@@dragonx1159 not bad but TOYOTA DEALERSHIPS ALWAYS SEEM TO ASK FOR A HIGHER MSRP PRICE. BELIEVE ME I HAVE ASKED.

[@peacefultorture]

In this test they used terrible comparison of trims. The Sienna Platinum is over $10k more than the XSE with similar features. You could actually get the LE for cheaper than any of the other vans if you want to deprive yourself of features.

[@simonstevenson6686]

I guess to save in the long run.

[@jillianj310]

One huge factor that people don’t consider when comparing these vans is that the Pacifica has a really hard time FITTING forward facing car seats correctly. The headrest tilt forward and aren’t removable and cause interference in both the second and third row seats with MANY car seats and high back boosters. That is a HUGE loss for me with a van made for families.

[@normt430]

Which row? Go to 8:00 or so: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2e9lJ6IgL6nbLM

[@jasono2139]

I have two kids in car seats sitting in the middle row of our Pacifica and have virtually no issue with the headrests. Granted, it's a hybrid, so the seats are slightly different. I will have to try them in the back to see for myself, because I really doubt the child seat can't be positioned correctly... nor the headrest removed (I already removed the 2nd row headrests once - easy as pie)

[@jillianj310]

@@jasono2139 the hybrid is different and the headrests can be removed. On the stow and go versions it is absolutely an issue. There's an entire Facebook group for troubleshooting for a proper install and seata that work.

[@jasono2139]

@@jillianj310 send a link. I'd like to check this Facebook group out, especially if there's pictures.

[@jamespenner1412]

I would rank honda #4 due to the toyota having Awd and pacifica #1 due to its awd as well. The child seat anchor dosen't bother us much cus once you put the car seats in they usually stay for along time. We bought a 2020 chrysler pacifaca AWD in November and we love it. Very impressed with the fuel economy, anywhere from 8-9L/100kms highway and 10.8-11.2 L/100kms in mixed short distance driving. Got 16,000k on the odometer as of now and its been trouble free.

[@JoseFernandez-wu8pj]

Fuck no

[@Natethegreat200c]

@@JoseFernandez-wu8pj best minivan in the world

[@patrickblahosky8641]

Only one of these can do a burn out and it's not the Kia honda or the Toyota

[@MondayNightRAWsRKO2024-xk9ew]

We got a Pacifica and it's the Touring Limited S AWD and it's in triple black, loaded with everything and it's cool van sporty and gets the looks. Had a guy in a newer Challenger try to race us no joke. Kept up with him definitely a dudes van over the other soccer mom ones hahaha

[@raidersamson3356]

How do you give the win to a minivan with practically no storage?!?! Isn’t the one of the top reasons you buy a minivan is storage.

[@airpromaxultra]

Well then pay more to get pacifica

[@Kasey1208]

Older Chrysler vans had stow and go with forward/backward seats. They definitely need to bring that back

[@kevinmlafleche]

Of course, need to put the most reliable and efficient minivan last.

[@siualino]

I think the Pacifica Is the reliable van now, the sienna just came out the model hasn’t even lasted 2 years lol and the carnival is already on recall 🤦🏽‍♂️ I really like the odyssey tho

[@DevPack]

but its not lol

[@miguelircontar]

Toyota’s have boring interiors yet they hold and of course are reliable

[@watchandjewelryloft4713]

I've noticed that. Reviewers knocking it for hybrid noise and acceleration..like Wut? Meanwhile, I can't find a Sienna to save my life. They're selling before they're even hitting the ground around here.

[@connordurham8216]

@@siualino that powertrain wad in the highlander when that got redesigned in 2020 and it’s just a glorified Prius same basic design powertrain wise just with a bigger engine and more electric motors

[@xvrickhchips]

My McHenry County peeps! Love the local videos while I hunt for my future minivan. Thanks for the review!

[@bigpoppa1992]

Love the chrysler Pacifica.

[@erichhartmann9856]

My Sienna, is a 100% hopeless POS full of rattle&squeak from all parts. It started ratting from 200 miles and dealer says it’s normal! I will buy my next Sienna ONLY if Toyota allow me to assembly it by myself in their factory!!

[@noypiinmississauga5177]

next question is who needs repair often ?

[@pnwtreehugger806]

I'm Don, father of none, and there's no vehicle I've owned that I love more than my 2008 Toyota Sienna. Even the 1956 Thunderbird I owned in my youth delighted me as much. Post-viewing edit: This was an excellent presentation. The reviewers/testers were thorough and concise. First rate review.

[@juanokiller]

I think we have to flip this list around

[@EK4U]

Kia is the new king and people who bought the Sienna did it to save on gas. Some people don’t want to sacrifice everything just to save on gas.

[@Snoopymk37]

I have so say that I bought my 2021 Sienna for a few reasons other than saving gas. 1) The known Toyota reliability and longevity that Chrysler and Kia lack. 2) The engine has a timing chain instead of a belt. This saves maintenance and money. The Honda has a belt. 3) I did not have to buy a charger and have it installed. Everyone knows that Chryslers are made to buy and sell within a few years before the frame/body rusts out and before you have replaced the transmission for the third time. They are fine short-term, and that is it. They are just more "Big Three" junk. As for Kias. They are getting better but have yet to prove themselves like the Japanese automakers.

[@EK4U]

@@Snoopymk37 you basically bought the ugliest slowest minivan that’ll save you slightly more gas but will last 20 years. That’s not for everyone. To each their own.

[@gdineshgov]

@@EK4U 22mpg vs 36mpg, yeah slightly more gas 😂🤦🏼‍♂️

[@watchandjewelryloft4713]

@@gdineshgov For someone like me putting 20,000 miles or more a year easy......it's a big difference.

[@gdineshgov]

@@watchandjewelryloft4713 I agree with you, i was telling sarcastically in my previous comment 😊

[@ramilramazanov9887]

Sienna is best mini van in the world

[@CarringtonHollister]

Dear Nissan, Bring the Quest back

[@christianstylezinc9224]

They suck at designing just like mazdas van the Nissan was the ugliest

[@doreenjohnston7672]

i have that van 2021 and it sure doesn’t sound that you know what your talking about from my experience and the one i drive but thank you for your input

[@CdotForbes13]

except all GM products last half as long as the others, you are focusing on features other than reliability which I believe matters also

[@chynacash3138]

How? I have 2 older GM products in my driveway as I type, '14 Cadillac ATS and my husband's '11 Chevy Silverado, both have been great cars for us as far as reliability. Bought my car new and he's had his truck maybe 3 years, both have 100,000+ miles. I think some may be worse than others, but I wouldn't make a blanket statement saying all are unreliable.

[@remyd8767]

Stop repeating hearsay

[@CdotForbes13]

@@remyd8767 except when you see it first hand it tends to leave a bad taste in your mouth. Every import I've owned has far outlasted the GM products. Now of course I don't know what the future holds but history shows more dependability from my viewpoint.

[@Robert-lu3rz]

Yeah, there’s no GM products in this test. 👍

[@jaithegoat5983]

4:03 I like that better than the two tablet things because if kids in the back row they can’t play with those so the big screen is better.

[@8artphotography970]

Also since this comparison is recent. I would love to see included the voyager against the rest.

[@remyd8767]

The rental minivan

[@AnsrMax]

No AWD or plug-in option. No stowngo. But with the safety and cold weather packages, comes in at under 34 G. Problem is they are hard to find.

[@VaxxedStories]

The 2020 Pacifica also has the UConnect system.

[@mmhh9550]

Any normal person can immediately tell the Pacifica drives like a luxury car, super smooth suspension, rattle/squeak free Interior. I am a Sienna owner and I just rented a Pacifica for a week to test it out...this is how a car should ride! I smile every time I drive the Pacific! Sienna’s ride is a POS compare with Pacifica and the Sienna is full of squeak and rattles from the 1st week I own it.

[@mmhh9550]

Sienna rattle seats started from model year 2011, still happening on the 2021, what a joke: kzbin.infokIjeqjGh4Pk?feature=share

[@La-yt1wr]

It’s a big upgrade from the Town & country and Grand Caravan

[@crosswire]

Can you comment on the cabin noise for the pacifica? is it loud from the road noise as i had the palisade and kia one were noisy in cabin.

[@liquorpool9436]

I just watched 5 or 6 videos Before this ... And I surprised that u guys Summarised all the information in Just one video... Love that..👍

[@georgiaguardian4696]

I just bought 2021 Honda Odyssey after comparing all of these models. I love Odyssey’s engine, handling, and quality built and more. Toyota tried too hard to go hybrid. The last thing I need is low power and high noise when I hull the entire of five and stuff uphills.

[@apt62]

Odyssey has the best engine/transmission combo out there.

[@normt430]

@@apt62 not recommended to buy according to Consumer Reports.

[@remyd8767]

@@normt430 why is that?

[@normt430]

@@remyd8767 like most newer Honda's today, they are not reliable. While it’s shapely and powerful, the redesigned TLX doesn’t match up to the competition. Its standard 272-hp, 2.0-liter turbo four-cylinder engine and 10-speed automatic make for an energetic pairing, but fuel economy of 23 mpg overall is unimpressive. The ride is comfortable and handling is nimble, but an abundance of road and engine noise undermine the TLX’s premium pretense. While it’s a bit larger than its competition, it isn’t any roomier. The front seats are comfortable and supportive, but the rear seat is tight, and the car’s low stance hurts access. The touchpad-based infotainment system is very distracting and unintuitive to use while driving. Forward collision warning and automatic emergency braking with pedestrian detection are standard, but blind spot warning (BSW) comes only with the Technology package.

[@normt430]

@@remyd8767 This shorter, five-seat version of the Honda Pilot uses the same smooth, refined 3.5-liter V6 engine and nine-speed automatic transmission. We measured 21 mpg overall. In our tests we found the Passport’s ride to be rather stiff but without a marked improvement in handling agility. The infotainment system is slow to respond, and the push-button gear selector is tricky to use without looking down at it. The interior is roomy and full of handy storage places. While FCW and AEB are standard on all Passports, BSW is not standard on the base trim level. Finally, the Passport has a below-average predicted reliability rating.

[@xxosonxx5439]

I feel like that vernier console does look better and avoids clutter and it’s not stupid.

[@chrisw4562]

Well, I wouldn't buy any of them. Our 15+ year old Sienna has everything we need, runs great, and appears like it could go another 15 years.

[@Natethegreat200c]

Same with our 12 plus year old Chrysler town and country. My dad won’t be replacing that thing anytime soon.

[@Delvin_nivled]

What’s your favorite cookie flavor?

[@majist0]

That’s the big thing, I’ll never own another Chrysler product ever. The quality control is absolutely garbage. Some are fine but when they are bad, they are bad.

[@Natethegreat200c]

@@majist0 that’s not true

[@majist0]

@@Natethegreat200c Oh sure, your one anecdotal evidence goes against every single reliability study, mechanic forum opinions across the country. I said their QA is crap so you sometimes get a decent one, but on the whole they are some of the worst built vehicles on the road.

[@ip5494]

Evaluated all 4, and bought the Pacifica AWD. Nothing comes close. It's the Maybach of minivans

[@jacobmatton7588]

The amount of complaining in this video.. wow

[@AlexanderY18]

In general I found Honda being more responsive on the gas paddle then Toyota which you need to literally push in order to get it rolling which makes really hard to drive especially in traffic.

[@MrMeoow91]

From Australia and I bought the Kia and it is good.

[@keithrunk8489]

Thats weird. My 2013 chrystler town and country stow n go the middle seats move forward and backward about 8 inches and still folds town into the floor.

[@SamiullahWeesa]

You ranked them from the opposite side, actually Sienna is number 1, and Honda 2

[@jinglin657]

totally agree with that

[@thomasblazevic2867]

Honda/Toyota toss up at #1, Chrysler #3, Kia #4.

[@Saiyentarble]

Agreed chrysler and kia is dogshit

[@astronomical13]

Yeah they left off the category of “engine explodes at 150k miles”.

[@taMeska]

Wait till the warranty is up and the list flips

[@WaheedKhan-mm3pw]

Did your Pacifica tester have stow n go?

[@colin-nekritz]

Drove all of these and was biased towards the Sienna as we've owned nothing but Toyota/Lexus products as a family. We loved the Pacifica and even rented some at locations while flying around the county, which were far nicer than our Sienna in every way, especially styling and ride, but we awaited the redesigned Sienna and, when it was announced with seats that don't fold or come out we said big nope. We sometimes uses our minivan for projects and events where we need the capacity for plywood and lumber and basically a van to create things. We still test drove a Sienna from our usual Toyota dealer who let us have one for the weekend and meh, it’s slow, boring, busy interior or kinda ugly if not dated looking from the start, it’s uninspiring. Despite figuring the Sienna may be more reliable we gladly went with the Pacifica in sport trim and have been overjoyed, no regrets. It’s an AMAZING loaded minivan, it looks waaaayyy better than the Sienna, can good gas mileage, and is much faster and able to cruise down the highway at high speeds and zippy when you need to merge. They put a billion into developing a the Pacifica/Voyager platform and it shows, tight, quiet, roomy, versatile. By far the best all-rounder of all minivans. Yes, the Carnival is cheaper but it’s meh.

[@1andyou2]

Loved you video. It's so honest and practical!

[@WHR0306]

The Pacifica wasn't the top trim level. Also, those seats do move back and forth. The top one is the Pinnacle.

[@petegalindez9961]

First time viewer; great review! Agree with you on a bunch of stuff you covered as I’ve owned Honda Odysseys and a Pacifica. Loved our Pacifica…not sure about where you guys are, but here, you can’t negotiate on Toyotas, Hondas, or Kias at the moment…but Chrysler always puts a lot of money on the hood; so not sure your value comparison reflects reality…we got our Pacifica for 10k less than sticker…no way you can get anything like that off any of the others….Recently sat in the Sienna and was wholly disappointed how cheap it all felt inside…Drove the Carnival recently and loved it as well…We’re getting rid of our SUV and going back to a mini-van…we don’t tow and don’t need AWD that often, so would rather have the extra interior space of the minivan….and, if you want to save gas, there’s no beating the Pacifica PHEV. So much better than the Sienna with a 4cylinder hybrid v a 6cyl hybrid in the Pacifica (but you lose the stow and go…but get more comfy seats).

[@bmacrc46]

It is amazing to me that a minivan test would be mostly comprised of top trim level models rather than the best selling version of each. Real world comparisons of the vehicle most folks would choose would provide far more value to those considering one. The fact that the Sienna gets far better fuel mileage than all the others may sway many folks along with predicted reliability and resale value. More attention to these details rather than how luxurious the minivan is would be appreciated. I bought a 2022 Sienna about a month ago and it is averaging over 41MPG. The Sienna is selling extremely well for a vehicle that supposedly doesn't stack up to the competition. We looked at the Pacifica but it was no contest, at least for us.

[@gamingwitharlen2267]

Honestly tbh siennas are selling to fast so dealers are marking them up. Honestly I would just get a Chrysle Phev and take home the federal tax credit

[@medranochav]

I loved my lil kia sedona and I miss it so much

[@AB-nv7bz]

I think the issue with these comparisons is how they weight the categories and no way to see reliability. With the honda and toyota, you know they will last for a decade with oil changes and minimal preventative maintenance. Also their interiors never have a fake upscale feel, but are going to hold up well with kids. Realistically none of us hear are about to drop north of $45k on a minivan and sell it in 3 years, we are gonna keep it 6-7 years. I know the sienna got last in their test, but the odyssey doesn't have AWD, and 50% better fuel economy is no joke. I simply don't have enough faith in the kia product at this price point (to their credit, they have been doing well, remember when Hyundai was a joke?). And know full well the Pacifica will fall apart within the first 2 years.

[@jaydubau8755]

The Honda and Toyota will hold their value and give you more years. These reviewers are only judging the surface, not the bones.

[@eyalschnider]

i would take the pacifica,amazing,but can you trust it for a long run?

[@normt430]

Probably the most reliable of all minivans as the new redesigned ones are not and Honda Odyssey, while being oldest, is not recommended by Consumer Reports.

[@jakey20022]

The Chrysler V6 engine is solid.

[@clarencewilliams6671]

Toyota sienna number 1

[@normt430]

@@clarencewilliams6671 Not by Consumer Reports ranking, not in annual sales...and a Chevy Tahoe 3.0T diesel that can see +35 mpg highway.

[@realnapster1522]

Don’t buy Chrysler. Go with Honda or Toyota. This test doesn’t look at long term reliability or resale value.

[@Prettymeac]

Pacifica Odyssey Sienna Carnival

[@Untensuru.]

Drove 3 Carnivals and the Honda before buying a Sienna. The Carnival felt cheap, and drove terrible. The Honda just felt older, as it hasn't had a real design change in a long time, and was laking lane assist. Also, I'm 6'1" and I'm confused about the "lack of head room" they mentioned? If you're really considering buying a new van, do yourself a favor and test drive all of them.

[@EK4U]

You realize every single review/comparison video of the Sienna on KZbin complains about the horrible drivability and lack of power compared to all other minivans. It consistently scores at the bottom. Let’s just admit that some people went with the Sienna to save on gas.

[@Untensuru.]

@@EK4U yes I have noticed that, but it really isn't slow by any means either.

[@PriestsandParamedics]

@@EK4U KZbin car reviewers have an obsession about power and 0-60 times. That’s great for a sports car but it really doesn’t matter as much for a family car. I’ve owned sports cars and yes I expect them to accelerate fast and be fun to drive. However I don’t buy a family car looking to crush red light drag races. The Sienna has ample power as long as you’re not trying to floor it everywhere you go.

[@EK4U]

@@Untensuru. I’m getting the impression you didn’t see the SX Prestige trim on the Carnival. Cheap and terrible driving are not what people are commenting.

[@EK4U]

@@PriestsandParamedics speed and power is just one aspect where the Carnival excels over the Sienna. Interior, design, quality, tech, size, the list goes on. Honestly there’s nothing the Sienna can tout over the Carnival other than AWD and 10 more miles per gallon.

[@elizabethtannerziera3067]

This was really interesting! Thanks a lot! 😯

[@K-SD-DAD]

Toyota is way overpriced cause they know they can get away with it. Well done Kia.

[@KT_One]

Went to look at a new Sienna. I was excited about the AWD and MPGs. Didn’t get out of the parking spot. Wife hated the dash, center console, armrests, reach to the infotainment, no where to stash the purse once seated, rear seat comfort, etc, etc.

[@ericb5273]

@@KT_One She couldn't find that big wide open pan right below the console? That's where my wife sticks her purse and she carries what I consider a backpack.

[@waynecartwright9478]

it will retain it's value much longer than any of these, and for a reason....

[@KT_One]

@@ericb5273 key word here is once seated. She’s short so it was a stretch to reach that cubby before getting in, and inaccessible to her once seated.

[@maxwish9471]

I think it’s 1st Place: Toyota Sienna 2nd Place: Honda Odyssey 3rd Place: Chrysler Pacifica 4th Place: Kia Carnival

[@maxwish9471]

I also think 1st Place: Chrysler Pacifica 2nd Place: Toyota Sienna 3rd Place: Honda Odyssey 4th Place: Kia Carnival

[@maxwish9471]

2010 and older 1st Place: Toyota Sienna 2nd Place: Honda Odyssey 3rd Place: Chrysler Town & Country 4th Place: Nissan Quest 5th Place: Kia Sedona 6th Place: Dodge Grand Caravan Passenger

[@maxwish9471]

2011-16 1st Place: Toyota Sienna 2nd Place: Honda Odyssey 3rd Place: Chrysler Town & Country 4th Place: Nissan Quest 5th Place: Kia Sedona 6th Place: Dodge Grand Caravan

[@maxwish9471]

2017-20 Minivans 1st Place: Chrysler Pacifica 2nd Place: Toyota Sienna 3rd Place: Honda Odyssey 4th Place: Kia Sedona 5th Place: Dodge Grand Caravan

[@maxwish9471]

2021 and 2022 Minivans 1st Place: Chrysler Pacifica 2nd Place: Toyota Sienna 3rd Place: Honda Odyssey 4th Place: Kia Carnival 5th Place: Chrysler Voyager

[@bac3phi]

I traded in a 2018 Honda Odyssey touring for a 2021 sienna XLE and can't be happier. Can't beat the AWD, MPG and most importantly, Toyota reliability!

[@Matthew-ip6xl]

Just be sure not to overload it unless you like merging on the highway as slow as a semi truck. Blows my mind how shitty the Toyota drivetrain is for a large vehicle.

[@N8TURES]

I want a new Chrysler Pacifica so bad in that blue but I guess 4 now I’ll keep my 2017

[@stephendavis8880]

I'm going with the Chrysler

[@Natethegreat200c]

BY A LONG SHOT. ❤️

[@normt430]

Easy win here! The PacHy is the icing on the cake!

[@wakawaka8736]

Wow Kia carnival doesn't even look like a minivan but close to looking like a smaller version of chevy suburban. I am sold.

[@JOHNch4.v.v.7to10]

A minivan without removable 2nd row seats. Sorry, but that's stupid. I'm out. With Toyota's access to top notch engineers, you cannot tell me that they couldn't have figured out how to have the 2nd row seat air bags that would have an adapter/plug, with which the owner could easily disconnect (disengage) and reconnect (engage) so as to easily remove/install the seats. SIMPLY INEXCUSABLE.

[@realnapster1522]

It can be removed it’s just more work. Search on KZbin.

[@anthonywilson9268]

Have a 2015 odyssey I hate it. Can't wait to trade it in for a pacifica.

[@kickerbeat]

The most fuel efficient and reliable to own minivan comes in 4th place? Got it.

[@afzalshaikh2128]

Toyota is most reliable yes, but they use 3rd grade materials for interior and that turns off a lot of buyers.

[@jasono2139]

I guess I missed the part where they pulled out their crystal ball to predict the future reliability of these cars. ...oh ...that's right, they didn't because only morons think you can judge new cars based on old cars.

[@nathanparr2285]

Wish some day a manufacturer would make a nicer van not just random sunroofs or a vacuum but things people actually use

[@paulb3862]

Outstanding review by this talented team. Only one item missed but it is pretty big. MPG. Why did they ignore it?

[@afuriousblackman]

3:37

[@GuyverQ30]

I will echo the need for realiability and resale value as well. I, for one, would never buy another Kia becuase of the resale value problems I've had in the past. I feel getting the most bang-for-your-buck comes at a possible steep price.

[@swanblake]

Fantastic job on this! Really appreciate the details covered for each vehicle. I just shopped for a minivan and ranked them the exact same way. The Toyota was awful. Very unrefined and needs further tuning. Honda felt really old and dated. Pacifica was great but very expensive and I was not impressed with the build quality. The Carnival looked and drove great. Inside gives off a very high end vibe. Love the extra long warranty as well. Couldn't be happier with my purchase. Definetly can understand someone else going Pacifica though. Really the experience just shocked me how poor the Japanese entities were.