What's the best offshore racing mini boat? - Ep134 - The Sailing Frenchman

Before I started sailing with Kiraucassis I had zero experience on a Mini 6.50. And if I understand the logic behind the different boat designs, it is really interesting to test them on the water.
This time I got to embark on Leo's boat, he is the leader of the 6.50 circuit this year, and he is sailing a a Pogo3, which are the direct competition of the Maxis. Then I got to deliver a prototype. I was by yself and pretty tired from the race just before so I haven't pushed the boat to it's limit but could clearly feel the potential of the design.
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[@markomarkomarko]

Thanks for making these videos in English (:

[@soulewh]

You weren't joking about that boat being wet, I,d almost want to say it was more swimming than sailing

[@papounet4842]

Never seen so much water splashing my face except of course when I'm having a shower ! I understand why the blue water racers modify their boats to seek some shelter. It makes sense to take care of the skipper, too. Your stable dry boat sure has a relevant design. Very interesting review.

[@mattn7415]

Pogo looks like fun on a day sail but being soaked constantly on a long race wouldn't be so great

[@garethbarker9498]

Love your sailing

[@esvarwyn]

Cool boat geek-out thanks Hugo. Maxi for the win

[@treborultime]

Hello Hugo and many thanks for this another beautiful video. Encore une belle video qui fait rever, merci bien.

[@adam8642]

Great recovery at 3:55. Great video too. I really love the minis though the prototypes seem a handful.

[@fbouf2000]

So nice, so interresting. Thanks

[@danknox9986]

That’s a very wet boat in 15-20. With a lot of weather helm. It’s a handful.

[@theyacht40]

Love the footage especially with the drone !! Great action

[@reloadncharge9907]

Like sailing an Imoca! Wet! Thx, Andrew

[@armypilot94]

It seems P3 is more submarine, then boat :D

[@voiliersagittaire]

Not sure if these are boats, or washing machine ! o.O as usual, amazing footage. This is sailing !

[@serafinflorendo340]

That look so fun🤗

[@mitfreundlichengrussen1234]

hard work - stay safe and healthy - thanks for sharing.

[@roadboat9216]

Love you vids. Thanks.

[@owenpotter2459]

Hmm. That prototype looks like it's another "wet" boat. You certainly seemed to be working harder on it too. These boats remind me of how people talked about the Contessa 26 and 32 boats. They were often described as "subnarines with sails". LOL

[@flroadie7885]

Heh, funny. C32 from what I've seen is bone dry compared to that thing.

[@stuartmaxwell5562]

It's amazing...❤

[@LEGOWENTV]

Awesome stuff…looks so fun. Thanks!

[@cesarmuttio506]

gracias por compartir , me gusta tu bote

[@WillemAsselbergs]

Thanks for sharing. Great overview and detail. Especially on the Proto. What a ride. You really make us realize just how hard, and challenging this will be on long, solo, trips. Curious to see how this will evolve when foils are added/applied. Thinking about more automation, electronics, to make this more "sustainable" and stable. A bit like the Imoca Occitane. Wide foils, with a very deep cut to give is lift with stability. Power and computer presence are required (and for now costly still). Obviously, the power should come from the sails, not just for speed, but also for the computers. Using the rig, stays, pressure on the foils, and movement of the boat as a way to generate electricity. The is still a great future for the Mini's. It takes people like you to drive the passion. Merci. Greetings from Port-la-Foret.

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Definitely things to consider, but keep in mind also that the class rule regulates the electronic you can have onboard. For example on the imoca class, foil trim (in french it's called "asservisement des appendices") can't be controled by a computer.

[@WillemAsselbergs]

@@TheSailingFrenchman Thanks. I wasn't aware of this. Just curious, do you have ambitions to participate in the Vendee Globe next time round? I know it is not the Caribbean Cruising we all love, but it seems to me you are pretty addicted to the competitive aspect, the Tech, and in sharing your adventures. Personally I think it is crazy not to spot anywhere though. There is just way too much to see, enjoy, and share along the way. Again thanks for sharing you insight, experience, and passion with us all. A+

[@darrinpearce9780]

As much fun as it looks, I think if I was crossing the Atlantic the Series is the boat for me ;)

[@lejardindekasper]

Voilà de bien beaux bateaux, rapides et bien agréables pour naviguer mais honnêtement je préfère ton maxi. Merci pour ces bons moments. Marc

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Moi aussi :)

[@leonlevstik]

I see that pogo 3 and prototype are super wet. For the race OK but have it also for fun with friends and family during summer, hm don't know, too wet for my taste. But who I am to judge. 😉

[@Opium1960]

Good choice to get a glider. You get less wet -;) My surfboard was a glider, a HiFly 444. When it came gliding (around 3 1/2 to 4 bft) it wa really fast. Problem was less then this.

[@rcpmac]

Impressive sailing but I prefer having the water stay in the ocean. My 24’ Martin 244 has a high freeboard and a shoebox hull to deck joint that creates a lip which helps keep the water off the deck. I’m not a racer but a recreational sailor on the Salish sea so I’m happier when dry.

[@GarryAP]

That prototype looks a lot like the last gen pre foiling IMOCA boats but a tiny version. Is your offshore racing career heading for a go at the Vendée Globe one day?

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Well it's a dream many have.... but let me finish the Mini Transat first :)

[@fabienh3943]

Passionnant

[@klemenprezelj]

That was some wet ride. Was tge companion way open,it looks like it. Did u get any water in the boat?

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Quite a bit yeah :)

[@martineyer5336]

Mate stick with your boat, way better design 😄👍 P3 is way less comfortable for longer sail.. I am all for comfort.

[@mosca3289]

Top

[@melee401]

Very interesting boat. LOTS of work though. Ballast tank, tilting keel, lee boards to drop and raise. It will broach a LOT. You have to come onto a half point of sail at best or something until the tanks, keel and lee boards (whatever) are proper before you take to your needed to point sale. So yeah, lot's to do on that one tacking. Lots of lines and other stuff in the cabin too to get in the way. Just wondering about how the ballast tanks dump and fill each other? How long does the pumping transfer take? Open tanks to the cabin" Now you're shitting me.

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Yep, all valid points. For ballasts you can fill more than half of it on the leeward side before changing tack, then it's about 10 minutes pumping to finish filling it. Then you can use gravity to switch from one to the other

[@sailingcitrinesunset4065]

Nice video

[@weiniesail]

CardiB made a song about it WAP (wet ass Pogo)

[@fabienh3943]

Bête question, mais sur un voilier aussi moderne, pourquoi s'amuse-t-on avec des bouts dehors orientables plus qu'avec un bout dehors amovible? Juste pour le spi symétrique?

[@inixio11]

Nice.

[@0100111011101]

Eh ben ça rince un P3 !!

[@DialedN_07]

Hey there Hugo. I'm much more familiar with catamarans than the monohulls. But on our racing cats, when the nose wants to dive downwind we try to add a little more mainsheet to pressurize the rear of the boat and turn more downwind. It seemed in the videos that the boat was rounding up into the wind under higher pressures. I was hoping you could provide some feedback on this.

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Well for me it's the other way round, I don't know much about cats (the racing ones, I've done a lot of charter on floating caravans, but that's not sailing). On the mini's, if you have to much main sheet when hauling downwind, in case of a dive or overpressure, the variation in apparent wind speed makes the wind push the mainsail that pushes the bow to windward, like a pivot point around the mast and keel

[@erikvictor]

Thanks for your videos! Question, we see you often hand steering. When you are racing, how much time do you hand steer, and how much on autopilot? The imocas are 99% of the time on autopilot they tell me. thanks and fair winds!

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Well it depends on the conditions, but when racing I would say 50/50

[@lambert5864]

Very interesting and wet! Do you think with more time on it you could sail a proto like that more stable over longer periods of time? Also, what would your ultimate mini be? Scow bow with balast tanks and swing keep? Or even with foils? The scow boat you currently use, how does it handle shorter and steeper waves? Can you keep the speed up? Best of luck with your campaign! Please keep making these videos, they are great!!

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Well the Maxi 650 is definitely the best mix for me, since it's fast, stable and reliable. I like the equivalent in the proto class, which is really similar design, just lighter (carbon fiber) and more powerful (bigger mast, bowsprit, quanting keel...etc), but I like to be in the production boats because you compete with others with the almost exact same boat. For now I have never been on a foiling boat... but maybe on day :)

[@diogonpbrito]

Rounded bows all day!😬

[@EnJoinSailing]

Could you describe and show how does water-ballast tanks work? What is the value inside of it. Super interesting comparing MAXI and P3! Go forward! ;)

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Well I'm not sure when I'll go back on a proto, but the idea behing it is to optimize boat balance. So you can add weight where you need it and when you need it (and not have weight when you don't need it, reducing drag in light air for example)

[@brucekratky7993]

Ufda!

[@karuenordburry1829]

Déjà qu'il n'y a pas beaucoup de place dans le proto j'imagine pas ceux qui ont des foils. Par contre les etraves rondes c'est quand même l'avenir du mini, en tout cas pour la transat où il y a énormément de portant.

[@theosphilusthistler712]

your boat - nice. Those boats - nasty.

[@PA-jh5vi]

C'est vrai qu'il a l'air très humide ce fameux Pogo-3; à la longue cela doit être usant... Il y a t'il un pogo-4 en préparation (avec une carène plus tendue et une étrave plus ronde)? Naviguer en proto est une autre philosophie; un budget bien supérieur, davantage de réglages, et moins de confort (le bruit et les ondes de chocs)...

[@jaumemarti6290]

So, which type of 6.5 will you choose for the next mini transat?

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

It's already choose, it's the Maxi 650 (the one on all my other videos but this one)

[@kevinskwirz9120]

The sailing submarine

[@mhensen1]

On a longer race, how tiring would a wet vs dry boat be, in terms of single handing for lets say the mini transat?

[@freefinancialadvice]

Go take a cold shower haha

[@mhensen1]

@@freefinancialadvice and then another...and another, I think dry is better...albeit maybe smelly

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Well I'll tell you this after the transat, but for me a dry boat can definitely be an advantage on the long term, especially if it happens that the trades are a bit stronger than average

[@mhensen1]

@@TheSailingFrenchman Hugo, you bored with the shutdowns? Never seen so many responses lol, so dude when does mini start and when do you get to really get training again. I personally can’t wait to see you become the next Boris Herrmann, well spoken, English speaking, funny with good sense of humor, I think sponsors could get behind that! Best wishes and get that damn Patreon working!

[@erikholmbom4276]

Whats the name of the prototype model? is it a Vector 650? Ofcet? Wevo?

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Vector, Ofcet, Wevo... all production boats :) Don't know the architect of this prototype

[@randomtraveler3363]

A drier boat is a better boat and less fatiguing to sail. I think you have the better of the 3 designs.

[@TheFlyingPlectrum]

It's a racing series. The fastest boat is a better boat. The results are what counts.

[@mhensen1]

@@TheFlyingPlectrum if a dryer boat has a less fatigued skipper, which is faster on a long race? Interesting.

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

yeah agreed, I think the rounded bow has the advantage on the long run on the P3 The prototype is a bit of a different class so not really comparing the racing to that one

[@voilemontagne]

quelqu'un aurait un avis sur les vector 650? leur prix pour un scow est très intéressant!

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Design intéressant mais pour l'instant ils n'ont pas réussi à se faire une place compétitive sur le circuit

[@jonshaw4344]

can foils be added to these boats ?

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Hardly, foils put a lot's of stress on structure and the whole boat should be designed to foil in the first place

[@dw4956]

Looks like a very diffficult boat to sail.

[@cranegantry868]

They are like submarines.

[@TheShorterboy]

wet boat means a lot of energy wasted moving water places it shouldn't go

[@daveamies5031]

Or just not enough freeboard for the waves/swell, my Hobie TI is a very wet ride too especially in anything over 0.5m swell.

[@TheShorterboy]

@@daveamies5031 well you should tell boat engineers putting those bulbs on the front to reduce bow waves are pointless they would love to know, just add freeboard.

[@daveamies5031]

@@TheShorterboy 🤣🤣🤣 There are many considerations that go into a boat's design, as they say every boat is a compromise, no design is "wrong" as long as it achieves what it set out to achieve. I suspect adding a bulb to the bow is a lot cheaper than adding more freeboard to the length of a ship.

[@mennomanschot9178]

the music is not reflecting the action! Holy Sh*t!!

[@sergetheol3992]

Tu parles français tu soutitre en anglais ou le contraire il faut choisir

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Les sous-titres sont disponibles en français et en anglais, il suffit de choisir en cliquant en bas a droite du lecteur sur CC. Bon visionnage dans la langue de votre choix

[@fergusferguson8536]

thats one wet boat..

[@tannerkelting-massaro4669]

You should make a tiktok account

[@TheSailingFrenchman]

Haha, should I? I already have a lot's of work, not sure I can handle another social media platform

[@Servant_of_Christ]

This is getting boring, you need to head out on a lap of the globe man...