What’s the Best (& Safest) Battery for your eBike?

[@davidlittlefield2483]

I disagree with your assertion that battery chemistry isn't important. It is very important, as well as cell amps and max discharge rate. Lithium iron phosphate batteries are much heavier and have low amps and low discharge rates compared to other lithium chemistries. They are not generally used for ebikes and are less desirable, because of these limiting factors. Due to their weight, they are best suited for stationary solar power stations. I suggest everyone learns about cell chemistry. The information is readily available on the internet, as well as the advantages and disadvantages of each battery chemistry.

[@ianmangham4570]

I had a 36v Chinese pack only 8ah , ,it was a great pack lasted nearly 4 years I couldn't believe it ,just shows you even the blue 18650 cells can work well

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

My girlfriend is currently using a cheap Chinese unbranded battery. Has been for 8 years now. Still has almost identical capacity as when it was new. Kinda shocked tbh.

[@ItsGamein]

​@@Veganarchy-Zeteticplease don't do this with lithium ion batteries, get a popular name brand, this is why ebikes are exploding and destroying homes

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

@@ItsGamein I will replace with Samsung cells when this battery finally fails but it will still be from China.

[@spiritfox6066]

From what I've heard from an ebike group, they said the UPP batteries have a high chance of catching on fire or exploding. I have never used the brand myself, so I can't speak from experience. Be safe everyone, and have fun!

[@michaelsprinzeles4022]

Good info. Knowing your BMS is also important. The BMS should be able to output at least the sustained amps the motor can draw & handle the speed of the charger. Many (of the few) fires are started when someone buys a new fast charger and the battery or BMS can't handle the charge rate.

[@scottleone9892]

No mention of em3ev unless I missed it. Was that by choice?

[@jonasmeier417]

Unit Pack Power (UPP) are banned in the UK - United Kingdom.

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

My girlfriend is currently using a cheap Chinese unbranded battery. Has been for 8 years now. Still has almost identical capacity as when it was new. Kinda shocked tbh.

[@EBikeBuilder_]

Ebike batteries should all have a BMS to protect against faults, over current, high temp etc. If the BMS is working properly it should be safe-ish. Where things go bad is poor quality craftsmanship welding the cells and nickel strips etc. Or not using a BMS whatsoever. At the of the day a battery is just a bunch of cells connected in different configurations to achieve the desired voltage and amp hours capacity. Same cells go into power tool batteries.

[@mankihonda983]

Battery if possible should be quickly detachable, so it doesn't consume the vehicle if it starts burning or worse burn down your house. Batteries should have their own fire protected enclosure for charging, preferably outside of your house to avoid smoke damage. Insurance companies should sponsor this for home owners some how, maybe via lowered payments.

[@devildogcody]

UPP sells affordable battery packs, but buy at your own risk. That is who I got my 72v battery pack from....5 months later, the pack decided to stop charging fully, and UPP does not stand behind their batteries with any kind of good warranty. Lucky for me, the issue seems to be a loose wire in the BMS and not bad cells, but if you get a faulty product, they will not replace it in any reasonable way.

[@ianmangham4570]

Lucky, if you short it out and it no longer charges! You open her up and pull the wire out the bms, then plug 🔌 the charger in and turn on ,then put bms plug back in ,this resets the bms ,I accidentally shorted mine with a BIG SPARK BANG 😅,It wouldn't charge /turn on ,I did this and got a beautiful red charging light on the charger, I was well happy

[@THEPAINOFITALL]

MOLICELL batteries?

[@banyanstudio]

Em3ev is also a reputable brand. They are well designed Evite batteries, and the company is very transparent about what type of cell is used.

[@Mash3OH3]

I’ve been using a battery from RisunMotor. At one point they used Panasonic “Tesla” cells. According to them. However they’ve told me they began using LG batteries instead now

[@SnarkyRattleTrap]

I live in the faroe islands, and im trying to get a battery and hub motor kit, but cant find anyone that ships here. Couldyou make a video where you go through websites that ship to remote places?

[@mickp10]

Thanks for your overview. It would be good to cover Chinese cell manufacturers such as BAK to start building up a database of other quality high grade manufacturers. From what I am seeing and reading, it is going to get harder for ebike battery builders to source batteries. I was reading "LG/Samsung/Panasonic only supply their cells directly to true manufacturers".

[@olgerkhan9331]

So far buyed and used three "noname" batterypacks, (2x 15,6ah, 1x20 ah) and yet nothing happened for three years. Only the very first pack is kinda damaged lately and has only 70% capacity left. Still rode around 20.000km with those "evil" products. Sure sometimes a pack might explode, but sometimes a car crashed, a aeroplane crashed or a waterpipe leaks... But we still drive cars, fly and use tapwater...

[@drewzian1724]

can you tell the brands of no name brands?

[@twinge2254]

I bought an outlet timer...had to do some math/trial and error to not charge the battery too long. Set timer,don't fuck or alter with operating parameters on purchased equipment. I use an UPP battery.

[@The_Privateer]

The other option: **LEARN** something and build your own battery packs. You get to control every single aspect, specification, and quality measure - not to mention that you've improved yourself and grown as a person by learning something and doing something new. It's one thing to be 'scared' of 'cheap and dangerous chinesium' in a magic box you know nothing about. Or... do it yourself to your own (presumably) elevated standards. You know why you see so many 'sketchy' chinese battery packs on the market? Because they are incredibly cheap and easy to build - and therefore a huge money maker with astronomical profit margins. It's easier than you think to build a battery pack that is FAR safer, has a much higher capacity, and is way cheaper than anything you can buy.

[@chevyssboy89]

Can u build? Where you located? Im in Jacksonville Florida im in need of 72v for my bomber asap

[@quattro5958]

Em3ev should be on the reputable seller list!

[@mikebenoit6648]

How about the charher getting warm when charging

[@mikebenoit6648]

I have a VIVI FOLDING E BIKE BATTERY goes in a poutch on the handle bars

[@chronicalist2705]

Why does amazon not do prime on e scooter batteries or enike battery.

[@stevencosby6708]

They have to ship Ground.

[@mass4552]

I would be terrified to buy the no name brand. I've always been nervous about the possibility of battery explosions since I saw the results of an airsoft gun battery which is tiny compared to any bike battery and the damage it caused to surrounding furniture and walls. I don't know many brands so if I don't recognize the name. No way. Name brand all the way.

[@devildogcody]

In general, an airsoft gun uses lipo packs, while most ebikes use lithium ion cells, which can vent, but the lipo packs can be quite a bit more violent when they do.....all lithium batteries should be treated with respect, but it isn't an apples to apples :)

[@mass4552]

@@devildogcody I've never had an explosion but the thought of one leaves me in terror. Like I said. Name brand, no matter the cost.

[@Pzrides]

Is chamrider good?

[@ДимаТерсков-ю1ц]

It is entirely up to the BMS that explode the battery or not

[@thecatat7]

A big problem with buying loose cells or batteries is, there are so many fakes these days. Not just cells, capacitors, etc etc ...

[@slim1641]

I brought a FoteGlewaBi battery off Amazon and can't find any info about it do ypu know anything bout the brand do you think I need to buy something better

[@MiniatureChickenChannel]

Good vid...exactly what I was wanting to know....does anyone know which battery type will hold up better for high vibration environments...Lithium polymer vs Lithium Iron Phosphate? I know the latter is heavier...but curious which hold up better over the long haul....TIA

[@julianfu9767]

As a battery manufacturer, I can answer your questions responsibly that Lithium Iron Phosphate has long cycle life, and it's way more safe and heavy, high temperature resistance while lithium polymer is way more lightweight, high charging effiency, high energy density, low temperature resistance, and of course costly.

[@MiniatureChickenChannel]

@@julianfu9767 thank you for responding! So lithium iron phosphate not as good at low temps?

[@julianfu9767]

​@@MiniatureChickenChannel You are right, the colder the worse the performance

[@mikebenoit6648]

Do you know any thing about VIVI E Bike Battery 🔋

[@moderngame2152]

What the best e-bike battery for my mukkpet

[@bobbybecker80]

AFAICT from their web sites, both companies make batteries for specific vehicles, not DIY.

[@Mash3OH3]

Can anyone enlighten me? Which cell brand name should I go for? Like Panasonic, Sony, Samsung or LG?

[@ronkrzyzewski8072]

I think the any battery pack can become dangerous when people run too high watt motors on a battery that can’t handle the output, or try to charge them with a “fast charger”. Fry battery components while riding, start a fire on the next recharge. Don’t be an idiot and your battery probably won’t grenade on you.

[@davidlittlefield2483]

One ebike KZbinr suggests bypassing the BMS discharge wire so that the maximum discharge is not limited when you switch to a more powerful controller. That is the fastest way to torch your ebike and your house. You have to be careful who you listen to on KZbin. There are a lot of idiots on here giving advice, who don't know what they are talking about.

[@stockey]

Yep, these are the main causes.

[@mikebenoit6648]

I have a 36 Volt Battery

[@manoz6194]

I would rather pay extra for Samsung or Sanyo cells. I have no trust whatsoever in Chinese Cells. I had a couple of UPP batteries which I used for 2 years which had Samsung cells, no problem with them. I sold them to a colleague

[@0e32]

Always charge the ebike battery outside your house not inside your house...!!

[@icyaan73]

What if you live in a flat how can you charge your battery outside that's impossible it's easier said than done

[@0e32]

@@icyaan73 Dont charge them then..

[@mikebenoit6648]

My name is Mike and have concerns about my battery

[@mikebenoit6648]

It's a Li-Ion Battery 🔋 for poutch front of handle bars

[@travispratt6327]

You can buy like 5 of the other brands batteries before even coming close to the price of the “reputable” brands here… batteries don’t cost that much to make correctly, the cells used are widely available and the prices are well known, it’s about $200 worth of cells give or take in an Ebike battery for the absolute best 18650s on the market. This is a classic case of luxury tax, where the “top end” products are no different than the mid-grade but you pay exorbitant amounts for someone’s name or reputation.

[@Mash3OH3]

So basically they spend next to nothing to produce said batteries and they shaft the consumers with enormous prices. Now I see why people say build your own batteries

[@travispratt6327]

@@Mash3OH3 I made my own, but I also bought a cheapo blue hard case one off eBay for not much more than it costs to make, (less if you factor in the tools and extra materials I had to buy) I’m perfectly happy with both. It is sort of a pain learning everything about making it, like assembling is a bit of a brain twister and the welding takes a bit of practice and skill, so honestly buying one isn’t that bad of an idea, but if you’re planning on making more its definitely worth it.

[@travispratt6327]

@@Mash3OH3 The biggest thing though is the cells are standard 18650’s and there’s only a handful of manufacturers that make high quality ones, and you can get those same exact cells in way cheaper batteries, there’s no reason I can think of to pay $1k for $200 worth of cells welded together.

[@Mash3OH3]

@@travispratt6327 Which cell manufacturer would be more best bang for your buck? Like Panasonic or Sanyo ?

[@craigshelhammer5683]

Agreed,I was watching this and thinking his hearts in the right place but basically he's saying be really well off or don't bother getting into ebikes lol,that's just simply not the case.

[@jcolt84]

The slower you charge your battery, the longer it will last.

[@unanimous_ytr4899]

It’s cheaper to make your own battery then to buy one

[@reeseprince8]

You could say that about just about anything

[@hank_Reardon]

i see they are selling lifepo4 batteries now for ebikes, but they are heavy. they also last much longer, tradeoffs abound. Anyone ever try them out?

[@Billybritt-s4t]

Garbage to much weight so yes no good for ebike get a pack made 21700 50e great batteries thank me later

[@ObiDanKinobi]

Aye +1 The Samsung 50e's seem to be pretty decent. Done about 350miles so far and no major issues. 13s4p. Bout £3-£4 a cell. Source them from a reputable dealership. I get 55-60 miles outta them, giving it some beans.

[@ObiDanKinobi]

If you do build yourself don't skimp on anything if you can help it. Get a decent battery case and BMS. Don't solder spot weld. Means getting your hands on a car battery, although the spot-welder was only about £16 for some basic Chinese Thing. Did the job though. Take time to practice on Nickel strips. If you can lift all the cells up from the metal strip and they don't fall off. Happy days your rocking ;)

[@ObiDanKinobi]

Daft as it sounds one of the biggest head f*cks is trying to get your head around the battery nickel strip configuration, especially when the battery case doesn't hold it in a conventional 4x13 block for example (which would be well easy to configure ;). Make sure your workspace is clear of any solder bits etc. Short circuits at 48v are a lot different than a 12v short ;) A lot more blue and zappy ;)

[@RealRayAl]

Ok good shii bro. Now i personally have been using UPP for almost a year and the battery is great. So great that i went ahead and bought another UPP battery rear rack type. I prefer to stick to companies from home! But these chinese batteries are good and much cheaper. Now a comment to the exploding batteries seen through out the internet. Yes batteries can explode due to poor use (usually) or they were built poorly. Some people dont even read the manual on how to maintain the performance of a battery because they think they know it all, Then go online and blame the company. No it was you! Lol so keep in mind people that not all “reviews” are legit reviews!

[@nathanielbrice8725]

Plot twist: everything is made in China!

[@knightofjustice5475]

It think with any small PEV it's unwise to leave them inside, if one does go off inside the chance of the house burning down is higher than what it's worth. Luckily I have a detached garage on my property.

[@vanthursday]

The main problem is not everyone lives in the US.

[@GuyHigginbotham-et1tx]

To not have one they are all dangerous. I've seen a surron bike caught on fire from battery exploding. My friend spent $5000 for that bike and it exploded on the first ride ridiculous

[@brandonl1843]

Great video if your needing sleep. Thanks bud

[@WesternIronwoks]

I bought my lithium Ion battery before i found out that Lithium Iron is a safe battery and regret it,oh well.

[@zamb0nio]

lithium iron phosphate is safer if something bad happens to the battery, ie. overcharging/overdischarging or physical damage. rather than violently exploding into flames like lithium ion would do, the lithium iron phosphate kinda just gets a little hot and lets off some smoke. lithium ion batteries are ok to use as long as the user understands the limits and keeps it safe. the best benefit of lithium ion is that they're almost twice as energy dense as lithium iron phosphate batteries, resulting in smaller and lighter batteries.

[@ghz24]

Well your odds are about 10 million to one for having a batery fire so relax and get a LiFePO next time.

[@WesternIronwoks]

@@ghz24 i know but there is still a chance haha. I am gonna buy another battery and make sure this one is a lifepo4 because I want alot more range on my bike.

[@WesternIronwoks]

@@zamb0nio my worry is the bms and charger i got causing the issue since I got the cheapest i could because I am disabled and cant afford anything better.

[@zamb0nio]

@@WesternIronwoks just don't push the amps and you should be fine.

[@jodymadoche]

Tesla batteries last on the list?! Who paid you to do that?

[@Gamer.brucelee.kungfu]

What I think? I am genius I can build non burnamble safest battery in the planet in 5 minutes or do for my self but who will pay me for that battery?

[@Taey774]

Sodium ion battery

[@kjm-ch7jc]

The best batteries are certified and not DIY home made packs by inexperienced people.

[@jcolt84]

You’re too young to know who Sanyo is. Obviously!

[@unanimous_ytr4899]

Why doesn’t everyone just use electric motorcycles instead? They are cheaper and have bigger batteries then electric bikes plus no pedaling and they look cool.

[@michaelsprinzeles4022]

I'm guessing you haven't really researched electric motorcycles. Entry for anything you'd want on the highway is over $10k & HEAVY. Between the range at highway speeds & charge times highway travel is almost unbearable for any distance. FYI you can have a throttle on an e-bike & treat the pedals as ornamental foot rests.

[@unanimous_ytr4899]

@@michaelsprinzeles4022 e bikes will never be able to go on the highway at least a e motorcycle and na bruh ain’t 10k for a electric motorcycle do your research dude

[@unanimous_ytr4899]

@@michaelsprinzeles4022 battery is still way smaller on a e bike then a e motorcycle

[@unanimous_ytr4899]

@@michaelsprinzeles4022 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6K7lpWtbLWZbMk

[@michaelsprinzeles4022]

@@unanimous_ytr4899 I'm not looking to get on the highway with an e-bike. I just answered your question about why everyone doesn't have an electric motorcyle. If you're looking at electric motorcycles under $10k (out the door not MSRP) you're looking at glorified urban commuters not (safe) brand name cycles that can do legit highway speeds.

[@itwasrightthereinfrontofyou]

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[@jayhouston1614]

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