What's the Best Winchester Model 70?

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Today I share the most popular bolt action rifle -- the Winchester Model 70! There are three different versions of the Model 70 and I'll show you all three of them. The Pre-64 Model 70, the Post-64 Model 70, and the Reintroducled Model 70 known as the Classic are all here for you to see. Join me as we compare these Winchesters and examine the differences. Which do you like best? I'll share my opinion with you as we take a very close look at these popular Winchesters -- probably closer than you have ever seen! If you like this video, please subscribe and check out the links below for ways to support my channel. Thanks for watching and take care out there.
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[@paulstuart5982]

My dad was a pre 64 model 70 and model 12 collector. Talk about spoiled at an early age to the best rifles and shotguns. It's hard for me to find anything I like better. I currently hunt with my dads old favorite rifle. A 1946 standard grade chambered in .270 win. Anyone that shots it says it's the best shooting rifle they've ever shot

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Thanks for showing the new folks and younger generation the various model 70 rifles. Theres hardly anything closer to "livin the dream" than to hunt with an vintage Winchester bolt or levergun in wild places.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're right. In a field or forest of snow with a M70 or M94 - that's something.

[@edwardabrams4972]

So true my friend! To be able to hunt with history as the pre64 is just makes the hunt just that more interesting knowing you have in your hands a gun made back when quality mattered and it shows on every part of the gun!

[@neilis2405]

Only one I have was literally made in 1964 right after they changed. I know they get a bad rep but honestly that rifle has always shot fine for me.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Yes indeed - I've not seen one that doesn't shoot - the rare .225 Winchester M70 can be incredible.

[@turtlewolfpack6061]

The Model 70 Classic you have there is the second generation. The first generation of the classics still had the original Model 70 trigger which, in my opinion, is one of the best in any hunting rifle.

[@brandondavis5249]

I have had two modern model 70's and absolutely love then. Thank you for the video.

[@Tony-om5kr]

I have a pre-war Model 70 Standard Grade and a early 90's Model 70 Super Grade with controlled round feed. Both are excellent rifles. By the way, the ejector is a spring loaded blade that sits in a cut in the rear left side of the receiver. It is forced to pivot down into its slot until the slotted part of the bolt allows it to rise and kick out the cartridge.

[@beppinocimarolli4976]

Perche non si parla mai del mod 70 in 270 weat mag accopiata ottima grazie

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

The pre-64 Model 70 holds a special place in the hearts of gun owners and gun fans everywhere for all the right reasons. But it isn't the end all be all of the Model 70 story, and to ignore the post-64 rifles a person would be ignoring some very pretty and well made firearms. I enjoyed seeing the differences between the guns, but to the best of my knowledge the New Haven made Winchester Model 70 Classics had the older style trigger as found on the post-64 and pre-64 rifles as shown in your video. The MOA trigger system that is currently found on the Model 70 made its debut in 2008 according to the Winchester catalog. Both the New Haven made Model 70 Classics and the non New Haven made Model 70 feature the coned breech according to the Winchester manuals. Therefore, the New Haven made Model 70 Classic is the closest that Winchester has come to manufacturing the pre-64 Model 70 without actually doing so. As to which Model 70 I like the best I am biased towards the ones I have used or own because for me I place value on the memories I have with them. One is a Featherweight Classic in 7mm-08 that I borrowed from my father on my first deer hunt, and on the day I graduated hunters education I got my deer with that rifle. The other is my pre-64 Model 70 Super Grade in 375 H&H and words don't do her justice. One of these days when I send you pictures of it I'll tell you the story behind that rifle. Anyway, thank you and all those behind the scenes for another wonderful video.

[@1911acolt1]

My favorite rifle is a 2006 new haven model 70. It’s a featherweight classic action chambered in 7mm08.A guy came up to me at the range asked about my rifle…Then tried to tell me that the new model 70 was better that my 2006 new haven due to “quality slipping”I told him to look it over. The finish is flawless.Accurate.Great trigger…He handed it back and said”well it’s just what I heard”I have many bolt actions.But that 7mm08 is without a doubt my favorite

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

@@1911acolt1 The thing I find interesting is how he said one was better than the other based on "well it's just what I heard." In my view gun owners and enthusiasts would do better judging guns based on their own actual experiences instead of what they heard through the grapevine. Anyway, I am glad to hear that your favorite is that 2006 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Classic. In my estimation they are beautiful rifles that are presently underappreciated by firearms enthusiasts.

[@fedup3582]

@@1911acolt1 i finally found the rifle that I wanted all my life. It was a classic sporter model 70. I was so happy taking it home but when I got home and started playing with it, I started noticing that the fit and finish wasn't quite up to my first impression. It took some of the "gleam" of that rifle. In 2008, I ended up getting first, a model 70 sporter, and shortly after, a model 70 supergrade. These two rifles are the rifle I always wanted, good fit and finish, accurate, everything I dreamed of. The classic is gone.

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

I have a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight chambered in.280 Remington ( manufactured in 2016 which is a very limited production run of that caliber ) and it is a beautiful rifle , fit and finished exquisitely, smooth functioning accurate and well balanced . Trigger is exceptional ! I love it

[@robbieandbeckie]

Or a better question is "What is better than a Winchester Model 70?" Great video, and you conveyed the message very well that all Model 70's are great rifles. My model 70 in 30-06 was manufactured in 1968 and is so much better quality than almost any rifle you can pick off the rack. Its looks nearly new even after half a century, shoots well and has character you can see and feel. Try and buy that for $500 nowadays and you have a real bargain to be proud of.

[@whiteyfisk9769]

Tikka is better

[@beppinocimarolli4976]

Beppe11555

[@Lucysdad66]

My sako rifles are better then my model 70 so there you go what's better..

[@Lucysdad66]

I think in the not to distant future the 325 will be for hand loading its getting harder to find and it cost alot..

[@NELLY-jg2rx]

I'm a young lad, 33, and I completely love this guy. We have the same energy for unique cartridges and appreciate all types of rifles

[@williamfeldner9356]

I now have 3 Model 70 French Walnut Supergrades of current manufacture.. They are absolutely outstanding.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Excellent rifles for use or investment as you know. One of these days they may stop making them again.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

I appreciate the really new "cheap" bolt action hunting rifles for their utility and they tend to shoot really well in accuracy. My issue is that some of these so called cheap rifles demand a pretty steep price for what your getting. So really its not cheap in the end. It saddens me that folks don't see the point in owning these Winchester classic rifles and also the beautiful Winchester leverguns. We really have lost so much in our legacy in the shooting sports of what constituted great arms and material quality. I can remember in the late 80's when I was in high school there were lots of old Mausers, Savage 99, Remington 81 and various leverguns. They simply didn't cost that much for your dollar back then. A new winchester 1894 was around $250 and most other bolt rifles were $400-$500. Man things have changed. Now that I'm in my late 40's I can't get around like I did when I was young but I understand and appreciated these classic rifles all the more. Im afraid that very soon there will only be cheaply made production rifles made mostly by robots and prefab parts and the supply of classic firearms will be gone into history. Some of this is market forces and some of it is also the destructive management of these once large and well know arms makers.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Good post! They started out okay - the bargain rifles - and then once people got used to buying such things the prices went up. Now a Ruger American is not really cheap - none of them are - especially considering what you get. I still think one should buy once and buy well - or keep buying the same thing over and over.

[@hammerheadms]

@rusty nuts I think a lot of these new budget rifles have way more quality issues that leave their factories these days too. They might have better barrels, and crisper triggers, but the amount of shear nonsense that gets overlooked in inspection from some gun makers is ridiculous. I tend to agree with USOG's opinion about the simplicity of older engineering. A prime example is the debacles that Remington went through with their triggers, and safeties. Newer definitely doesn't mean better.

[@BumblingBushcraft]

Since july I have picked up a post 64 Winchester 94, a BRNO model 2, and a Winchester 1300 Turkey all for less than 250$ and in good to excelent condition. Also got a almost not fired Weatherby Vanguard s2 withba scope, for around 350US$. I love that people dont appreciate older and cheaper guns. :-D Loking for a Winchester 70 in 6.5x55 now to have a trifecta of Winchester bolt action, lever action and pump action guns.

[@joelodjick230]

Every time I buy a cheap rifle, reminding myself its just a tool and they work, I just can't *like* the thing. Some of them were excellent performers but are they not hard to warm up to?

[@interman7715]

Americans seem to want everything cheap and the manufacturers accommodate them.If you want quality you have to pay for it.

[@efmiii8896]

Excellent video, Mike. I’m late to see it, obviously, but just in case you read these old comments…My favorite model 70 is my pre-war standard grade .30-06. I love-love!-the stripper clip feed. I too am first a hunter, then a collector, then a casual target shooter. I hunt iron sights, and have come to really appreciate the utility of a clip-fed bolt action. My three favorites now are, in order, all stripper clip fed, a 1939 “MADE IN GERMANY” MS 1903 in 6.5X54, a Remington Model 30 Express in .30-06, and a 1937 Winchester Model 70 in .30-06. All are minute of deer, with iron sights, at 250 yards (about a 3” group for me, half that size for my sons, who can still see the bullseye at that range). I also have New Haven Classic Stainless models in 6.5x55 and .30-06, and maybe they shoot better…but they don’t have the same fit and finish as that pre-war, with the rust blue and the backward 3-position safety. When it’s raining (which it usually is) I hunt with my stainless steel, synthetic stocked Ruger M77 (which on my worst day outshoots them all, about 1/2 MOA), but that feels like a well made tool. The pre-war rifles handle and shoot like icons of industrial design, like art. Which they are. God Bless you up there in Canada.

[@efmiii8896]

Sorry…new comments on old videos.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Glad you found the video! Your choices are excellent - there is something about the MS that keeps it high on hunting and collector lists. Thanks for the note!

[@mikek8089]

Being a Jack O'Connor fan, (I know, I'm dating myself lol) I've always wanted a "70" chambered in .270. Problem is, that I'm left handed. So when Winchester came out with the "classic series", I snapped up a left handed model 70. The rifle shoots great, and I'm a very happy camper to have this firearm in my collection! Now the bad....Some years ago (mid 70's) a good friend bought a post 64, chambered in .243. I'm sure it was a very early post 64, because the rifle looked terrible! The metal had machine marks, and the stock was ugly as sin, with pressed checkering. Although I'll say, for as ugly as that rifle was, it did shoot well. I think the handle on my push broom has nicer wood than that rifle had lol.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Mike - I know what you mean - some of the early post-64s had air rifle quality wood and delightful pressed checkering with complimentary brown burn marks in the wood included. Probably not burn marks but most people thought they were. : ) How far Winchester has come! A new Super Grade is about as good as a rifle gets. Thanks for the note.

[@mikek8089]

"Delightful pressed checkering, and complimentary wood burns"😂👍 What an elegant way to word it Mike!

[@billysilva6388]

I bought a stainless classic in 270 to go along with my 300 m70 stainless, but hate the cheap plastic stocks,so I re stocked both guns. I put a bell Carlson on the 300 and HS Precision on the 270. Then got mcarbo spring for the trigger. Both of these gun shoot better than it's owner. Been thinking about a featherweight in 6.8 western.

[@avocado9763]

I keep watching this to pick up all the little details. Extroadinary amount of knowledge. Thank you.

[@ronh8717]

Thank you! I’ve had the itch to buy a model 70 for a couple of years now. Such a classic rifle.

[@doubleedge7250]

Great video. I have 2 post 64 model 70s . While I would love to have a pre 64 at some point both of my posts have been flawless and shoot absolutely wonderful. Beautiful rifles as well

[@rickbattle5706]

Great video. All three Model 70's at one time. Most excellent. Perfectly understandable explanation of the differences between the models. I have thought for a while the Class Model 70 is the one to get.

[@u.p.woodtick3296]

Thanks for the great videos. I had a 1982 mod 70 XTR in 30-06 that was a super shooter. My 1952, 30-06 mod 70 is my favorite as that is my birth year.

[@avocado9763]

Great job. Learned a lot.

[@donaldrussell4218]

I've got a Sporter Boss model 70 in 25-06 it's a real good made gun.

[@TheAmerican300WM]

I needed this video in my life. Thank you! I own a 30 06 Alaskan , and a 30 06 push feed model 70. If they made a 260 Remington I'd probably pick one up.

[@Guillo78]

Buy another one and change the barrel to a mcgowan one

[@K0GNITION]

They make a 6.5 creedmore now. That would be almost identical to the 260, with better bullet choices.. might consider it

[@Mateiro38]

Excellent explanation! Thank you!

[@MrAtlas40]

Thank you for the cone barrel demonstration. I have a 1978 70 XTR Varmint. Remember when Winchester would still sell you a heavy barrel? It cost $20 extra back then. The trigger is great and the action is smooth. The barrel is now shot out and I'm waiting on a replacement in stainless steel. The finish on the stock has lasted well, with only a little bit of yellowing visible on the white line spacers. A tiny bit of wear shows on the alloy trigger guard. The bluing is still perfect. The push feed is fine on a varmint rifle.

[@missouriaviator8871]

I guess I’m pretty unique for someone my age (22) but one day I’d like to have a big display cabinet complete with mint pre-64 Winchester’s of each significant make/model. Are the new ones great rifles in their class? Absolutely. Do the new ones make me feel the same when I pick one up? Not even close.

[@jeramyw]

I'm also 22 and I just adore classic firearms. However sometimes you want some that aren't perfect so you can modify them. Like a shot out 1892 that you can reline and bring into modernity.

[@davidwebb8033]

One detail to correct for the record. What you are representing as a "Classic" is actually a "BACO" or "FN" current production Model 70, made in South Carolina beginning in 2008 and now in Portugal. The enclosed box trigger began in 2008. (Not a fan by the way) The actual "Classic's" were made in New Haven CT. from 1990-2006 and used the real Model 70 trigger just like the pre '64 and push feed. Love your channel, keep up the great work.

[@michaelsullivan988]

I agree. I have two classic claw models made in the mid 90s in New Haven and I like them better than the new FN models. Quality may have suffered at the end of New Haven. I don't know but it was great in the 90s.

[@davematney1918]

I feel like the 90s and early 2000s classics are some of the best "bang" for your buck in getting a high quality rifle. I own two examples and love them.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

Thanks for sharing!

[@avocado9763]

I learned a lot from this class. I now know what a good rifle looks like and where the industry has gone since pre 64. Excellent!

[@gregorywalker4997]

thanks again for the entertainment and knowledge! i have all the models discussed here plus one more--a winchester black shadow in 270 wsm with CONTROLLED ROUND PUSH FEED. i haven't looked at it in years, and have not ever fired it! it might be of interest if you run across one for a quick video.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Gregory - I've always liked the Black Shadow and the .270 WSM is superb as you know; seems to be taking a breather in popularity - but will likely come back - it is just so good.

[@mdirtydogg]

Very edifying. Thank you for this excellent video.

[@MaximOfSurrey]

Controlled round feeding and the attention to detail paid to the pre-64 are obviously more desirable; but one is better than none. The 'best' Model 70 is the one you can have at-hand in your gun closet. At least for pronghorns, mulies, and other soft skinned critters. The real caveat here is having the reliability of controlled round feeding at-hand in pursuit of dangerous game. Alaska, B.C., and African big-bore species have some fierce critters that stalk you as much as you are liable to stalk them. Anyone that hunts grizzly country should read up on what happened to Shane Fumerton and William Caspell before considering a push-feed operated rifle. When the game wardens came across the scene, they found a thoroughly jammed up rifle that didn't do either of them any good in the face of a hungry bear.

[@Gunners_Mate_Guns]

I dug up some information about that incident. It appears that a fired case was still in the chamber that had failed to extract when Funerton attempted to chamber another round to defend himself, hopelessly slamming the bullet of the next round into the back of the one in the chamber. I can't imagine how helpless and horrible it must have been in those moments before and after he realized that he was fresh out of options. Apparently, the bears initially killed by the authorities (sow with two cubs) were the wrong one, as the tooth patterns on the bodies of the two men were from a much larger bear, and there was apparently a large boar in the area that had been menacing people later killed by the authorities that fit the size and shape of the bites. It's terrible what happened to the two men, but it's also sad that a healthy sow and her two cubs wound up paying the price. Grizzlies, especially large, dominant old boars, are known to respond to a rifle shot as a dinner bell, as with the two men and their recently shot elk.

[@MaximOfSurrey]

@@Gunners_Mate_Guns Yup. Big, nasty, old boars will not care about who or what stands between them and a free meal. It's not just grizz that respond to gunshots either. Wolves have learned the same pattern of behavior. It is a damn shame about that sow getting put down. Bears are beautiful creatures. I just prefer to appreciate that beauty from 300 meters away through a pair of optics.

[@Nick-wn1xw]

By that standard no one should use a lever gun for dangerous game.

[@Gunners_Mate_Guns]

@@Nick-wn1xw While most leverguns don't have controlled round feeding as such, the Marlins at least trap the cartridge on the top and bottom, guiding it directly to the chamber. Lots of guides in Alaska carry Marlin 1895 leverguns in .45-70 that allow quick followup shots of a potent round to stop charges from Grizzlies.

[@marvley361]

I own many different rifles that are very nice but I own six pre 64s and a classic which are great rifles. Once you pick up a pre 64 and work the bolt you will understand why I say this. Not only that every one of them is super accurate.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agree Marv

[@MikeGuadango]

Can’t believe I missed this video. Glad I watched it now. I’m in the market for a prewar model 70

[@joeblowporkhead864]

Excellent video, yes I think the model 70 push feed or control feed is a great rifle as well and no one could go wrong buying either .

[@georgeflutey838]

Another Great video. I found it very informative. Have just bought a model 70, push feed. Vietnam era sniper with Unertl scope. thanks

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That's a diamond George! The scope alone is fantastic to own - the complete rig - as you now have - is a brilliant purchase. Congrats!

[@gwcracker]

Very informative! Thanks!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're most welcome.

[@oncall21]

An excellent overview Mike. My choice is the current Model 70 CRF. It has as you said a one piece trigger guard with only two screws and the action itself is smooth as butter. I own one in a Feather Weight, Extreme Weather and a Safari Classic. I've watched as the prices on these have gone up and up since their first release. My advice like yours is that if you have one then hang onto it! Thanks for sharing!

[@cwcollins9529]

Thank you for this video! I just bought a post ‘64 Model 70 off Gunbroker and was hoping I got a good rifle. You have alleviated my fears.

[@ronaldpetersen255]

Well done video Sir!! Having owned and hunted all of the various Model 70’s my favorite hunting rifle is the New Haven Classic, but the one that pulls the heartstrings are my Pre-64’s. Thanks for the content 👍🏻

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Ronald - Something about those pre-64s - I agree.

[@jonnytimerider]

Another great video USOG. Things are very different over here in England, It`s quite difficult to get our firearms certificate, and even more so to be able to own more than one rifle of the same calibre. We have to apply to the firearms department for each calibre of rifle we want, and have a valid "reason" to own one. So over here we don`t have big collections of rifles in our gun cabinets. My cabinet only contains a couple of shotguns, one .22LR and one centrefire rifle. I feel very fortunate to have my firearms certificate over here, and even more fortunate that my one and only centrefire is a Model 70 classic Featherweight in .243 (USA made) :) I absolutely love this rifle, and after watching your videos, i`m reassured that I made the right choice. My .22LR is a CZ 452 Varmint, (which I think is one of the best .22LR`s available) My cabinet may be small, but I think it is well stocked if you know what I mean? :) Thanks for the excellent videos!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You have a great collection - especially considering the government rules and restrictions. Maybe one day the laws will change. I hope so. The very best to you in the UK. I have only fond memories of the times I was in your country - such a fine land and people.

[@citomp1240]

I wish I knew in the early 1980's what I know now. I could have collected a bunch or pre 64 Winchesters, Mausers, and Colts. Enough so it could been an early retirement.

[@dennisjames5982]

I have a Model 70 Classic in 30:06. It's stainless with the Winchester synthetic stock. I put a Weaver 2.5 x 10 Grand Slam scope on it to complete the classic combo. Even tho that stock is cheap, it'll still shoot 1" or less with 165 Grain reloads. I'm very happy I own one for to buy one now, I couldn't afford it. I traded it in the early 2000's, not even sure what I traded for it. Happy I have it though. They're gems in the hunting world. Thx for the comparison. Great video to learn from.

[@30-06]

Great video on the best hunting rifle!

[@rogue9ine]

You could break it down to 4 different time frames with Winchester. 1. Pre64, 2. Post64, 3.Classic (which I believe started in 95/96), and 4. Post 2006. Prior to 2006 these rifles were made in New Haven Conn, after 2006 the company went through a sale and manufacturing was moved. I believe there now made over seas. The best ones are the ones made in New Haven IMO. I have 2 Post 64's and 1 classic. Great rifles. The controlled round feed is great for what it does but it does make the rifle heavier. I've never had a problem with the push feed rifles and I find them to be lighter to carry.

[@paulcondie2520]

I just got model 70 made in 1965 .300 wm, mint! Absolutely beautiful! Almost to nice to shoot! Lol. Since all I hear is how the 64 and older is superior almost makes me feel like I bought junk. Lol But after watching video I feel better. Thanks for the explanation! Another reason I jumped on the gun it was made the same year I was born! Lol

[@edwardabrams4972]

The post 64 are great rifles I don’t care what anyone says! From my early hunting years some 60 years ago I do bought a 1965 in a 300 win mag and it was one of the best rifles I have ever owned and I have owned hundreds of rifles including my pre64’s and I took more game with that rifle then any other rifle I have owned and it was just as accurate as almost any gun I have owned!

[@edysinsimon8646]

I was just out one afternoon and stopped by a local sporting goods shop. I took my normal rounds thru the departments ending in the back of this warehouse sized store and was looking over the bolt actions when my eyes came upon this new Winchester (FN owned now?) Anywho...I asked the clerk if I could take a look at that rifle. A was now sort of amazed at what I was now handling! The new model 70...Really " I ask the clerk, " Sure is" he quickly announced. I took into a more closer look and thought....DAMN! The "newer" Model 70 in some classic "sportier" wood stock and in .270 win? Really?! How much? He flips the tag over while I'm holding onto the rifle as says, $975 on the tag. So...I quietly panic and then think...Yes...Buy it! Ok mind...you're the boss today! Beautifully blued...highly glossed bluing looked spectacular...24" medium barrel...All rightly then...I'll take it! With that I had just purchased my last bolt action rifle. It was the perfect alining of the stars...the right amount of funds available to me...I had this very nice Leupold 4X12 vari @ home waiting, still in the box! I already owned a .270 win before and had several boxes of ammo. Perhaps some more newer ammo? I'll be needing a new sling also...All in all..It was a good day. That was 10 years ago and have taken deer, elk and antelope over the past 7 seasons. Indeed...A very good purchase/decision.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Excellent buy - sometimes one has to buy on the spot - you couldn't have made a better call.

[@edysinsimon8646]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you, I really did, and still do enjoy it immensely!

[@MrMotorz]

I don't know why but my most accurate bolt action rifles are my CZ 550 and my Winchester 70 classic. The only brico I have done (in the 70) has been to replace the magazine with one - I think it is aftermarket - which has what we call in Spain "shoulders" that prevent the cartridges from being projected and deformed due to recoil. Exceptional weapon. Thanks for the channel!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hello - For sure the CZ 550 is a proven performer; I like all the CZ products - probably the highest quality per dollar in the industry'; the 70 Classic is timeless - like owning a Bugatti or something - but here and now and affordable.

[@jeffnunes9780]

You are my kind of guy. We appreciate the classic hunting rifles.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You bet Jeff! Have a Merry Christmas!

[@paulsimmons5726]

Mike, I've owned M-70's from all eras and every one of them has been mechanically perfect and as accurate as the shooter using it. I prefer the newer Classic and FN claw extraction types, a great design with the best of modern metallurgy and production. Having said that, I must say that the slickest bolt action I've ever owned was a 90's "push feed" Black Shadow. It was Winchester's entry level model and totally glass-like when you ran the bolt! Finally, all of my M-70's have been extremely accurate. As accurate as I can be, at least... Great video!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Paul - and you bet - the push feeds run slick - I put a little Rangoon Oil on my .308 push feed and it runs friction free - like on air.

[@Nick-wn1xw]

Having owned them in every “vintage” I can say that in my opinion, and my opinion only, the very newest ones produced and assembled in Portugal are the finest ever made. Quality was slipping in the end at New Haven and the ones produced by FN in S. Carolina were a big step up from the last New Haven guns but the Portugal made and assembled guns are the best. Of the many push feed Model 70’s I’ve had none ever failed to function in any position they were in at the time. Still just prefer the controlled feed because of the greater control over the cartridge. Funny the timing of your video because I just picked up a new Model 70 Safari Express in .458Win mag today. Funny your choice of the .325 WSM is the only one of the short magnums I would get.

[@John_Redcorn_]

Ive heard the same about the new 70s. So much so that im looking to get one in 270 Win. and i dont even need it. Lol. I think ill go with the “classic” sporter instead of the featherweight. Probably the stainless or stainless super grade. I dont own a 270 and that just seems un-American. Lol

[@josephbliskowski2759]

Good afternoon, I've been interested in the Winchester model 70 for a few years now and have been watching many videos looking for information on the ones made in South Carolina but no one really talks about these specifically, you said the Portugal rifles are the best , could you please tell me how they are better than the South Carolina rifles?, thanks.

[@jakemitchell1671]

I agree 100% with everything in your post, with the exception that I do not care one iota whether my rifle is push-feed or control round feed. I've always been fascinated by the fact that the Remington Model 700 is BY FAR the most popular foundation for custom rifles, yet when Winchester went to push-feed they damn near had to abandon the Model 70 product line. What sense does that make??? So push-feed is desirable when Remington does it, but sacrilege when Winchester does it? Really? I've owned all the Winchester designs, and the rifle I depend on the most is a mid-'80s Model 70 "Ranger" push feed in a plain birch stock. It's a GREAT rifle.

[@fedup3582]

Curious, why do you think the Portugal built rifles are better than the south Carolina built rifles?

[@fedup3582]

@@josephbliskowski2759 I asked the same thing about the Portugal built compared to the south Carolina built rifles, I hope we get a response. Personally, I have and do own, pre64's, post 64's and south Carolina built model 70's. Which is the best? I think it depends on what you prefer or want. I think the pre 64's are fantastic rifles. I think my south Carolina built rifles are every bit the equal of the pre 64's but have a few things I prefer, particularly the one piece bottom metal. Is it actually better? I don't know, but I just prefer it. I might lean towards the south Carolina built rifles as the best but they dont seem to carry the prestige of the pre 64. Just my opinion. The post 64, to me, just seems different, not necessarily better or worse. A lot of the post 64 rifles have 22 inch barrels where I would prefer a 24. The pre 64 and current rifles tend to have 24 inch barrels for cartridges I think the 24 inch is better suited, but the new rifles also offer 22 inch barrels for the same cartridges in other variations of the rifle. I do wish the 24 inch was offered in more of the variations though. I do not own a Portugal built model 70, but in looking at them in the store, I can't see how they are any better than the south Carolina built rifles. I love my south Carolina built rifles, treasure, my pre 64's, but my post 64's are also pleasing and perform very well in the field. I tend to prefer the controlled round feed, and the original "riflemans rifle" idea, so if I had to start selling them off, the post 64 would go first. After that would be pretty tough to decide but I believe my south Carolina built model 70 supergrade would be last to go, mostly because of the traits of that particular rifle. It is very accurate and as importantly if not a bit more, very consistent. And I like the grain structure of the stock and also the beautiful grain and color of the feathercrotch design it possesses. So it is it's unique features that truly endear that particular rifle to me the most, but the other rifles have their own unique "personalities" that also appeal to me very much. End result is, barring the inevitable "bad ones" that infiltrate everything in life, you can't go wrong with a model 70, in my opinion. Pick the variation that most appeals and best suites you and enjoy.

[@herbertsmith6416]

Another great one.

[@jamesmartin8066]

Well done thanks again

[@duckman5269]

Another Great Job 👍

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you DM : )

[@Gideom007]

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[@robertshoemaker6204]

My favorite...one that puts meat on the table....appreciate your videos...thank you Shoe.

[@aex-blacksmithuk2111]

Thank you, yet another great video. :)

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you for saying so. Stay safe and healthy.

[@dougkahler7152]

I own a pre 64 264 win built the first year a 264 win mag came out. It was bought used on an estate sale along with a newer model 70 classic action in a 270 super grade. I love both but that 270 was NIB and when I got done putting a scope and breaking it in its wonderfully accurate rifle along with a beautiful rifle. It would take a small fortune to get that 270 from me. I also shot the biggest buck of my life with that 264 the first time I hunted it. So it’s not going anywhere either.

[@wallacejeffery5786]

I have owned 4. One post 64 and it was so ugly but shot fine. Three 1955 models in various calibers and all shot fine though one only liked 165 grain ammo. The 300H&H is .5mOA, the 30-06 was 1moa, the feather weight.308 I have not shot.

[@BillyReed68]

I own a few Winchesters as you may know already. I too never understood why the pre-64 or the post-64 were ever disparaged. The Remington 700 on the other hand was never to my liking, and I catch flak all the time over that opinion. Even though I state the very same reasons that you just made here, it falls on def ears. Winchester has always, in my mind, been the quintessential rifle due to the Mauser 98 claw and double lug design. I'm glad you pointed out the cone receiver in the barrel as I was shown as a young man by my father that this has been known to solve an issue with many other rifles in the past when running a bolt quickly. I AM a trigger guy as I do a lot of long range shooting out past 500 yards. I do my own smith work and find that the new trigger assembly on the current model 70,with its fully adjustable stop and pull weight, is not that complex but a welcomed feature. But I will still go in and de-burr all the parts and polish the seer just a touch to clean it up a bit and maybe the rigger piece that falls against the actuator.. but that is it. I do not own this rifle yet, but I plan on adding 3 to my collection soon in .308 .30-06 and .300 win mag. I really have grown to appreciate your channel and your wealth of knowledge on so many rifles. Thank you again. .

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you again - I'm glad to hear that you see how fine all versions of the 70 are. The current Classic models may well be the finest rifle you can buy today. The pre-64s are becoming more and more scarce and like Faberge Eggs - live in collections and fine vaults and cabinets. We need the Classics to get out hunting with an M70. All the best.

[@BillyReed68]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns So, what do you think a 1873 Winchester, made in 1891 with a serial # pre 441625 chambered in .32 W.S. is worth? Interior parts like new, hardly ever fired, action like butter, minor ware on the blue, no damage, all original patina. I know someone who is trying to sell one and I am seriously thinking about buying it.

[@charlesducat6964]

Mike, one difference between Pre64 and Classic was the early ones fed from the receiver rails while the Classic (certainly my New Haven example) feeds from the magazine lips - not nearly as elegant but cheaper to manufacture..

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Charles - I had no idea.

[@noneed4me2n7]

My brothers and I inherited a few rifles and a pump shotgun. I’ll hit you up on Patreon in a bit with serials and pics if that’s an option. One is a model 70 and if I had to guess is pre-64. Anyways thanks for the content.

[@hammerheadms]

I'll vouch for the accuracy of the new FN M70's. I own an Ultimate Shadow Stainless in 7mm-08, and it is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned (and I do own a few). I'll will be taking out for deer season this year.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That's it Garth - the SS is a M70 - there really isn't a bad one; only different ones.

[@jonhill4580]

good video long time fan of all mod.70 you didnt mention the excellent safety

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Sorry Jon

[@joelodjick230]

Thank you for the excellent video! While there is something irreplaceable about the pre '64, especially working the action, I have to say my favorite is the 92-on New Haven Classic. Have read they have their share of issues, but the ones here seem to be lucky. Just borrowed a Classic in 30-06 that I sold to my best friend in 2016 in a fit of stupidity because a brand new Featherweight arrived with a defect. Seriously contemplating just showing up at his place with a roll of hundreds and asking how many it will take for us to part while still chums hahaha

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Joel - These rifles are so excellent it is hard to believe. I took my .325 WSM and without thinking got 3/4 100 yard groups. People know these new models are great - but I'm not sure it is generally known how great they are - and actually not expensive compared to all the others. All the best - hope you get your rifle or another one. The Super Grade made now is shockingly fine.

[@joelodjick230]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you! Besides a small manufacturing defect which made it out of the shop (happens to every maker) it is just as you said. A splendid rifle and I feel like it has excellent value for the dollars spent. When single feeding at the range it was very accurate. The "Portugal" aspect may stick in some craws, but they are missing out on a fantastic rifle at a reasonable price. As for mine, I found a replacement, which is in the mail now. It must be a very early Classic, because it has the same iron sights as the post 64 push feed on your table there. Never saw that before on a CRF except for the Classic Stainless in 375 etc Cheers!

[@daneboro6847]

Love the model 70, I want one in 300win mag.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Get it Dane - we live once. : )

[@ferdynandthegreat2921]

Why this caliber?

[@daneboro6847]

@@ferdynandthegreat2921 because where I hunt in Arizona it can take any animal we have in this state, its great for knock down power and distance shooting as well.

[@lucienpayne9552]

Great video as usual. On the Model 70s the bolt can be field stripped without any tools. Thanks!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Lucien!

[@joeblowporkhead864]

I have a model 70 carbine short action 222 made in 1984 It's the most accurate rifle I ever owned even more accurate than the Remington 700 Varmint Special in 222 I use to own. It's a beautiful rifle, they can say what they want about the push feed I never had a jam or problem and it;s smooth as glass.

[@miltonhall7078]

My dad purchased an M70 FW in 243 for me in 1962 when I turned 14. I still have it and still shoot it...and...it's never fired a single factory round. I've always loved it and would never part with it. The only con was the trigger, which was so heavy that it made really top-notch accuracy challenging. Group-wise it could come pretty close to my dad's Sako Forester which is saying a lot. The Sako would group like a bench rest gun and had a trigger that was close to match grade. That said, when the time came to part with one, I kept the M70. The trigger problem was fixed with a lightweight trigger spring from MCarbo. There are a number of pros most of which you hit on but I didn't hear you mention the safety, which has to be the best of any gun on the market. The 3 position safety on the M70 physically locks the striker where most safeties only lock the trigger, making an accidental discharge possible. With the M70 that's physically impossible, meaning I'm not gonna be carrying it and have an unintended discharge as happened with the Remington 700 on a number of occasions. Better optics are available now than in 1962 and that, along with the trigger improvement is just now revealing what the old gun is capable of. BTW: Really great videos. I always enjoy them!!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Milton! Thanks for the note and sorry I forgot to mention the trigger - you're completely correct. I'm glad you have the .243 - I would have kept that one too. I noticed my Ruger Hawkeye also locks the striker - a wonderful feature. Anyway, I wish you all the best!

[@miltonhall7078]

Always great hearing from you. I'm not familiar with the Ruger Hawkeye but I'm glad another maker was able to realize the advantages of a safety such as this. My M70 will be 60 years old this year and I can still remember purchasing the gun at a long-gone hardware store in Austin, TX. The original optic was an El Paso made K6 Weaver which has been replaced by something more friendly to elderly eyes. It's put some deer in the freezer as well and was the gun used on a shot that was well over 300 yards from a tree stand on a very windy day. We have no children so someday someone's gonna get a really nice gun. Again, I always enjoy your videos so keep 'em coming!!

[@jimf1964]

Interesting as always. Since I don't have much money to spend, if I ever see an affordable post 64, I may just go ahead and buy one, whereas before this I probably would have just passed.....though I'm such a Mauser fan, I may feel guilty for abandoning the action. 🙂

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I know what you mean Jim : )

[@bucks2beards194]

Could you do a video on the Winchester model 70 DBM models? They can with a factory detachable mag, and I can’t find much info on them anywhere. What little I do find is old sales postings or forum posts that quickly get off subject.

[@michaelguerin56]

Good video. However, I consider the Model 70 CRF rifles to be, essentially speedlocked Model 95s with a receiver diameter approximately halfway between a small ring Mauser and a large ring Mauser. Still good rifles and ... with the newer steels perfected between the two world wars you can apparently get away with smaller receivers. I understand that the Indians built their Ishapore L2A1 7.62x51 bolt-action rifles by updating the steel spec on the S.M.L.E. No. 1 Mk III body (receiver) from carbon steel to a modern chromoly alloy.

[@redsky8509]

simple answer for me. My 1957 model is the best. as for the question, another fantastic video.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Red Sky - you bet - that is a diamond.

[@redmorse4321]

I just picked up a post 64 target model with the clip slotted receiver, marksman stock, and the very cool unertl scope. I've had a pre 64 as well, a varmint model. In terms of fit and finish it's a wash between those 2 rifles. Can't say for accuracy but the pre 64 didn't impress me. Have yet to fire the post 64. The post 64 action is much smoother I will say, at least on this particular rifle. Both had/have aftermarket triggers that go down to the ounces. The post 64 beats the R700 by a long shot either way. Don't sleep on a good post 64. Often can be had a lot cheaper than a 700 and the push feed in reality gives up nothing to the CRF. Single feeding with no extractor modification is nice to have also.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Congrats on that find! Lots looking for that rifle. The Unertl is an incredible bonus. I agree: the post 64 is a superb rifle and action.

[@thecheapshot1065]

I fell in love with Vintage rifles two months ago I spoke to you about this at one message. Remington 721. Built in 1953 the only thing that makes this thing a collectible is it age I know it was a budget rifle for the time But a budget rifle of that time compared to a budget rifle of this time I would put the quality of this rifle and the condition it’s in up against any X bolt. I did spark my interest though I would love to know what calibers were available in the model 70 pre-64 and I want to get a high powered magnum cartridge in one of those rifles and that’ll be my biggest firearm investment so far when I do reach out to find this gun

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hello TCS - Good to hear from you. The pre-64 came in many cals as you know. The magnums I remember in the pre-64 are the .300 H&H, .375 H&H, .458 Win. Mag, .338 Win. Mag and the .264 Win. Mag. The .264 is a long range wonder - sends bullets same as the Creedmoor, 6.5x55, 6.5x57 and others in 6.5 - but at much higher velocity - similar to the European 6.5x68. As for the Remington 721 - such a fine rifle especially in the deluxe model. I have one in .257 Roberts - a gem. And you're spot on - the older rifles are wonderful.

[@duggydo]

I will be using a Winchester 1873 in 45 Colt that I recently purchased for deer hunting this year. I won't shoot past 60 yds, but likely around 15 - 20 yds. I have practiced out to 100 yds and I can hold about 4 inches with open sights and my eyes at that distance. My sidearm will be a single action Ruger in 45 Colt also.

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

Congrats on the gun and best of luck hunting!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That's fantastic! I went on a small coastal island a few years ago with my 1873 in .357. The blacktails are not the biggest - the forest was dense - actually I saw more deer on the beach there. Anyway, one of my best hunts ever - 3 deer - 3 shots. I did just like you - got close and there were no mistakes. God Bless and good hunting my friend.

[@bep357]

I love your videos thank you!! I’m really looking at a model 70 maple in 6.5cm since the grain on the maple is vertical instead of horizontal and the barrel is made in Portugal would you buy one? Or should I get a pre 64 in 243

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

Having seen a Model 70 Super Grade in Maple in person I think that they are a very pretty rifle. With respect to the pre-64 in 243 I can't make any judgement with regard to it because I don't know its condition. Ultimately, my best advice would be to go with the gun that your eye keeps going back to.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Blake - I'd buy the M70 Maple in a heartbeat - one of the most attractive rifles - and with time, scarce. And you get a fresh bore! Please let me know. Cheers and good luck.

[@ibpositivemostly7437]

I have a model 70 classic in 7mm mag with the boss muzzle break on it.stainless steel and black synthetic stock 3x9 Burris scope great gun. But it’s Heavy!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Fine rifle - and I know what you mean about weight; every ounce seems to make a difference.

[@claymannasmith155]

First comment, great vid

[@brianlee6849]

Great video. I like seeing the internal workings of the bolt and the barrel that you covered. I thought maybe you would cover the newest version made in Portugal. I've been thinking about buying a super grade 6.5 creedmoor. Many reviews I've watch say that they think that the Portugal made model 70 is the best ever but I was wondering what your opinion is? Thank you Mike

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Brian - I just bought one in .300 WM - superb wood and finished beautifully. Also, the wood grade is superb - even as a Super Grade - which mine is. They hit it out of the ball park with these. Hope you get one.

[@brianlee6849]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks Mike

[@barneygo2010]

Bought my M70 Fwt Compact in .243. It’s a Portugal made rig and I just love this platform. Still developing some handloads with IMR 4320 and I’m starting to find a node for the 75 gr. VMax booolit! Life is Good!! This is my go-to fondler coyote rig ! Peace Be The Journey!

[@brianlee6849]

@@barneygo2010 Excellent 👍

[@ivanhunter3907]

Have you any experience with interchangeable barrels on guns.. PAC nor, remage and savage all have adjustable barrel retention nuts.. seem ideal for the calibre collector on a limited budget or on a jurisdiction with restriction on gun acquisitions per capita..

[@vincef5832]

325wsm is a great cartridge. Winchester Super maple will make a nice addition to my collection now that claw extractor is in the design. Another good video.

[@morallysound1]

Thank you, I trust your judgement completely ....

[@ed5042]

thank you again for a great video! I have a question for Anyone out there! Many years ago I had purchased a used in great condition 70 in 338 win mag. I was excited. Went to the range, purposefully shot offhand. Before I comment, I regularly shoot steel butt plate M48 , M44 which I lightened up, and 03a3 along with a 375 ruger in a 6.4 weighed mossberg patriot; shooting that 338 was PAINFUL, AND I MEAN REALLY PAINFUL! I NEVER EVER HAD TEARS RUN DOWN MY FACE LIKE THIS, I GUESS BODY WAS SAYING WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?" I am going to assume it was the stock? Sold that thing so quick. Just curious, anyone else had that experience? I really would like a 338 again.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Ed - I know what you mean and I find that clothing makes a difference - as you know - and mind set as well. I usually try 2 or three times to see if any variables change. I had an 1895 Winchester in 30-40 Krag that made me suffer badly - the one with the delightful crescent steel butt plate - sharpened by the factory at no extra charge. I decided to try two or three times and happily found that no matter what clothing I wore or how I held the rifle - the steel, sharp edges worked their magic and dug into my shoulder like spikes. I was right - it was a killer and I sold it. I could have tried a slip on rubber pad but the stock would become so long... there are so many other friendly rifles for me : ) Hope this makes sense.

[@edwardabrams4972]

After 60 years of hunting big game and selling more then a hundred rifles because of recoil I have learned that stock design makes a big difference but that just by putting in a Limb saver recoil pad it fixed all by problems and would have saved me hundreds if not thousands of dollars if I had just tried there pads first!

[@ivelinivanov8527]

One huge thank you. What I saw here, nowhere to see.

[@jeramyw]

IMO it's the pre-war 30-06 with the clip guide. Hickok45 has one.

[@mattdirks7896]

actually I kinda wish they would bring back hunting rifles with clips/clip guides

[@jeramyw]

@@mattdirks7896 And if you have to have a scope there's the scope mounts that flip to the side. I've seen some but more research is due. Scout scopes are also viable.

[@adamkadir3803]

@@mattdirks7896 Built a hunting rifle off a full length mauser action. Immediately bought 5 charger clips after.

[@falba1492]

The NC and Portuguese Model 70’s, are the best ever made. Without getting into the weeds; design, materials and manufacturing are better. For those detractors of the MOA trigger, you probably long for the days of points, distributors and ignition coils. I was a fan of Tikka and Bergara when they were really cheap, but now they are EXPENSIVE. For about the same price a Model 70 has a three position safety, a real recoil lug cut into the action, glass bedded and 100% all metal constuction. The barrels are hammer forged on the same machines that make American machine gun barrels! What’s not to like?! Btw, the push feed Model 70’s were better quality than the Remington 700s. So, no need to discount them at all. It’s nice to know the history and evolution of things, but the pre-64 obsession is just that, an obsession for collectors. I want A/C, automatic ignition, fuel injection and tires that last 40,000 miles. The new Model 70 had a better gas design, better steel, more accurate barrels and a better trigger. For the money, it’s about the best rifle you can buy.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agree - great post.

[@chadcowman6293]

what year did they start making the second gen of the pre 64 model? and if there's an end to that version as well

[@canadiangunnut]

Is the post-64 M70 technically a better action than the Rem 700. It has an integral recoil lug, 3-position safety, 3 rings of steel and stronger extractor akin to that of a Savage. Some of the barrels are free floated with generous inletting on the stocks. Thoughts?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I think so. It was only the change from pre-64 to post-64 that shocked the market. The post-64 remains a superior action and design and has all the features one could want - except CRF.

[@delmont223]

I have a type 2, SN 60XXX, 1946, Mod 70 30 gov't. But it has a type 1 bolt and safety. The safety does not work properly and under certain conditions, will discharge when the safety is moved to the off position. Can I fix this with a new mod 2 safety installed in my bolt or do I have to buy a completely new bolt assembly? Other than this problem, the barreled action and stock looks like it has ridden in a gun rack in a pickup for decades but the bore indicates it wasn't shot much. You probably haven't the time to address this request but perhaps you could direct me to a gunsmith who can. Thank you for your time.

[@donaldblank8873]

The newest model 70 bolt is different from the pre 64. The pre 64 is a controlled round feed. The newest version is a controlled round push feed or push feed with claw extractor.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Informative post - thank you

[@rexnex277]

There looks like there may be a small crack around the firing pin hole on the bolt of the post 64 without the extractor.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks for noticing! I went to the vault with my magnifying headset and checked right away : ) I'm happy to report - no cracks.

[@silvermediastudio]

Anyone have an approximate market value for a 2008 Limited Edition Model 70 Featherweight, chambered .270, lightly used? As of late October 2020.

[@kevinstone9825]

I just inherited A model 70 in 257 Roberts and can not find ammo for it. can the barrel be replaced to a different more available caliber. thanks

[@joeblowporkhead864]

The post 64 has a forged receiver compared to the pre 64 so should be by all measures stronger ?

[@captainzeb1969]

It’s the one you own and use regularly for hunting.

[@realmetis8002]

Or simply the better constructed one 😀

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Bravo!

[@josecanisales3491]

Hellow Mr. USOG, I have a SEARS Model 53 post 64 30-06 rifle. It looks just like the Post 64 Winchester, very accurate. Any comment on those?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Jose - Very fine rifle - owned a couple - accurate and reliable same as what they are - Poet 64 70s - as you know. There are collectors of the re-brands as you know. Hope this helps. In nice shape they change hands over 500.

[@josesalas190]

I have one question about the new model with controled feed round: Is possible to load de rifle inserting the cartridge direct in the chamber without broke the claun extrator ? In the models post 1964 is possible. best regards, José Salas

[@wisconsinfarmer4742]

the manual has instructions on how to do it

[@silverstacker11]

Up here in Canada they want over $1200 for one of these in a featherweight $1900 for a super grade!!!!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

It's true - but quality per dollar is so high - and you really own something - something worth owning and keeping. Hard to find things like that these days. IMHO : )

[@dazzab4244]

In Australia they sting us $2900 for a Super Grade, and I still think they are worth it for the classic lines and superb wood. Rare in today’s world of firearms, that are all plastic and clinical.

[@rkots2962]

The current production too have a Controlled Round Feed. Any difference between pre 64 & current

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi R Kots - the new model is just as good as the original. I just bought one in .308.

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

I still favor the Pre64 Model 70 for its control feed, nice wood and obvious quality control, it has to be in my experience the finest bolt action rifle ever made in the U.S. If dangerous big game is on your list the Pre64 M70 followed by the classic also a control feed is favored along with any of the rifles based upon the Mauser 98. I've used a post 64 in the feather weight version in .270 and 7mm mauser, shot fine great killers of deer size game but now only use the pre64 and one classic in .458. Interesting submission on my favorite bolt gun along with its cousin the Model 98 Mauser