Winchester Showdown! Pre 64 Model 70 vs Current Model 70

[@TexanUSMC8089]

So far FN has done a great job with Browning and Winchester. If you go read a little history, John Browning invented so many guns for Winchester, then had a little disagreement and went to Belgium and talked to a small struggling company called FN. He invented and had the Browning Hi Point pistol, several shotguns, and several rifles made by FN. He turned that company around and they've been a world class firearms company since then. It was a great day when FN bought Browning and Winchester and turned them around. The Winchester Model 70 is back. The quality is top notch, and in my opinion, the Winchester Model 70 Super Grade is the most beautiful bolt action rifle made.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Very fine post. Yes indeed. The details and names change with the telling but the meaning is the same. We are fortunate to have the pre - 64 Model 70 again - for awhile - and it is remarkable that there are enough varied interests in bolt rifles to keep the other manufacturers in business because one simply can't find a better rifle than the Model 70; buying something else can only mean there is a need for something different. In case they are reading : may as well put iron sights on all models - a scope is supposed to be something you can choose to buy for your rifle - or not. A car ought to come with tires.

[@blinkhornklinkhammer999]

Just purchased a Model 70 (Modern) SS Supergrade in 300 Win Mag. Dad got it at auction, he didn’t really want a rifle in 300 Win Mag but couldn’t walk away from it. So lucky me, I got offered the sale. Satin finish on the walnut, I do love a hi gloss finish but I’ll save that for when I get a Mark V in a few years. I’d never handled an M70 before, very slick rifle, looking forward to getting a quality optic to pair it with and burning some powder. Would love to a have pre-64 as well, hopefully Dad makes another impulse buy at the auction 😅

[@totizabayle377]

My vintage Winchester 670 in 30- 06 was my favorite deer hunting rifle for many years over the Browning BLR '71 and Savage model 99 .300 savage. The bolt action was so smooth.

[@pete1342]

At one time or another I've owned both a push feed model 70 in 30-06, and a 670 in .243. Both good shooters. I still think the early trigger was one of the best.

[@JohnDavidHays]

Thank you so much, I️ was holding off on buying a new Model 70 Alaskan in 30-06 until you put out your promised video. So, this morning I️ went to the gun store and bought a used 2016 Model 70 Safari Express In .375 H&H at a very good price. The Alaskan will have to wait a little bit. I️ have three pre-64 Model 70s and don’t hesitate to take them out in the field, but I️ am always aware to be careful and avoid dings. No gun lover is every careless or invites scratches or wear, but things happen as we enter the natural world. Watching your video, I️ find the CNC-aided production of the Winchester Model 70 entirely acceptable. They show a respectful diligence toward their customers. I️ plan to use the .375 H&H for elk out here in New Mexico (also prepared for the stray elephant). My eyes are open for pre-64s at an affordable price and condition. Your diffident but confident presentation is quite appealing, and your evident, practical ethos of gun collecting makes for interesting viewing. Thank you for your kind response to my requested comparison of the Model 70s

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi John, Thank you for being here on the channel and writing! There are more people out there than one would think hunting with the .375. You likely know this. It is a universal round and as odd as it sounds is never out of place. There is at least one fellow in Alaska who hunted everything and still hunts everything with the mighty H&H; I'm sure there are many more. Too weak of a cartridge is a sad thing although I know there are tricks with .222s and 220 Swift and the like on deer and other things - but why? I like your approach. After all, hunting is serious business and wounding is not the way to go. Now I am sidetracked - sorry. The elephants of New Mexico hahahahaha - excellent! All the best John.

[@zackzittel7683]

I have 3 pre 64’s as well. One thing my dad and I do is take them out of their original stocks and put them in a modern (sacrificial) stock when hunting to keep the originals pristine. Since they spend 90% of the excursion in a saddle scabbard only the stock is exposed to branches and the elements.

[@tbjtbj4786]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I know I am late. But heck there could be a elephant problem. Here not far away in ga. There's a lady that started a elephant rescue/ retirement farm. I hope the fince is electric. If not it's 16-18 ft chanlink with strand of high strong cables. I have a buddy that lives close he got a 375 I bought some Buffalo bore ammo for the 45-70. Just in case they get out.

[@stephanematis]

I honestly missed this change by Winchester. Just read an advert, got confused about it and searched out an answer. Not surprised that you had a video specifically clearing this up. Thanks for all the information.

[@lavida57]

I have learned so much watching your videos and a couple other teachers. I think my next firearm will be a a pre 64 model 70. I'm slowly rearming and have found gems thanks to you.

[@chandlermcelroy7198]

I really appreciate your presentations and the knowledge of firearms you share. Thankyou

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're most welcome Chandler.

[@rossthefishboss]

the 3 position safety is superior to any other, been hunting with model 70 since 1978. moose and deer in alberta.

[@Chriskelly19067]

I've been binging your videos while at my in laws for the holiday...thanks for putting a new one out!

[@RickNethery]

USOG, Excellent Video Sir, I have been wondering how similar the new model 70 is to the original. You have answered all My questions. I love the Alaskan model by the way. I wish all the rifles could have a nice set of iron sights like that. Thank You for taking the time to post this video, I thoroughly enjoyed watching it.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

There it is Rick. I held back a bit - the new Model 70 is probably the best sporter out there today. I'll contact them for more chamberings. Best to you.

[@milesfox49]

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[@isaackase4762]

@Miles Fox Instablaster ;)

[@milesfox49]

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[@milesfox49]

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[@pseudopetrus]

I love my controlled round feed M 70 Featherweight made in Portugal. I ordered it in 7mm 08, so I had to wait for it about 6 weeks. The Winchester box was sealed from the factory as far as I can tell. The first time I took the stock off the action it was tight and I had to take my time. It does have bedding material from the factory.

[@borisbuliak3626]

How does it shoot? I love my 7mm-8 Serbian Mauser, it's not a looker like a Featherweight tho.

[@miked8227]

My next rifle will be either a 300 win mag or the 7mm. Do you like the 7mm 08

[@creep-was-here]

Thanks for your knowledge sir, always looking forward to your videos!

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

Always a pleasure to view one of your videos , I love rugged good , honest rifles reviews from a smart calm man ! 👍

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you!

[@garybobst9107]

A fine cannon.I've got a model 70 from 1938 and it's a sweet boom stick.

[@joeguzman3558]

i love the 70s both before and after 64

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're right Joe - they are ll great.

[@paulsimmons5726]

As I've mentioned before, I've been a Winchester Model 70 fan for years and have owned a number of the Pre-64, Post-64, and the South Carolina "FN" models and they're all fine rifles. I currently own pair of the SC USA-Made in 7x57 (Featherweight) and a 375H&H (Safari). Both are as good as any 70's I've ever used. As far as which 70's are best... The one you own and practice with is the best version! Whatever small difference there is between the variations is less than the difference between shooters on the range!

[@ronaldbelsher9195]

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[@christianrussell9900]

Greatly appreciate this video. I just bought the new Alaskan in 30-06.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Christian, You bought an absolutely magnificent rifle!

[@10glocks40]

2:45 It APPEARS there is a hairline crack in the pre-64 stock, when seen from above, where the stock recoil lug would ordinarily go through. That is precisely what a recoil lug in that area is supposed to prevent. That would be a very common area for a crack to develop in a stock without that recoil lug. I understand that recoil lug is more like a very thin reinforcement screw that goes through that area and is then capped over with a plug (the black spot on the right side of the newer stock). Super Grades have exposed, decoratively capped, screws. Anways, great video, as always. Your's is the best gun channel on KZbin. Please keep it up!

[@arodrigues2843]

I completely agree with you.!! I have two of the pre-64 rifles. One in .300 H&H Magnum, and the other in .375 H&H Mag. Never intent to let them go.!!!

[@reynaldogonzalez6071]

only to your heirs!

[@sueannjefferds9247]

Thank you so much for this video. My husband wants a model 70 30-06 made in the pre-64 era but he has been considering the new model 70. You break it down so well.

[@Gideom007]

Get both

[@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888]

Considering that one can get a new Model 70 Super Grade in American Black Walnut, French Walnut, or Maple he has a lot new of beautiful rifles to enjoy looking at. On the pre-64 side NIB or conditionally close to it are collector's pieces that, while they are safe to shoot, are generally not shot for fear of harming their financial value. That being said ones that are shooter grade carry a lower price tag, and can be shot without fear of harming any financial value.

[@fedup3582]

Get the new one, you won't be disappointed. Speaking from experience.

[@EternalRecursion]

A little over a year ago, I bought a brand new 2017 Winchester Alaskan in .30-06 and it is, in my opinion, a superb firearm. I honestly cannot imagine a custom rifle being any better (except, maybe, for ornamentation). It is, as you say, a "near perfect" rifle. And the trigger is phenomenal: I have made no adjustments to it, I have not weighed the pull, but it seems to be around 3 lbs. and it breaks like the proverbial glass rod. I could not be happier about buying a rifle.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I can't think of a better rifle. You bought the best.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thank you. This brings back fond memories.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Rich!

[@TheHeretic2011]

I love the trigger on my old girl. It breaks sharper than the Geissele I have in my AR. If the new 70's have a better trigger, they must be astounding.

[@pseudopetrus]

I have a new M 70 Featherweight and the triggers are good, my M 70 is very light and I was struggling to get the kind of off-hand accuracy I felt I needed for hunting, so I did adjust the trigger pull weight and it really helped me. I don't really consider myself an exceptionally gifted shooter, but I get along with the M 70 well with lots of practice and being selective with my shots while hunting. The freezer is full.

[@zackzittel7683]

They’re adjustable for a reason 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jonparkes7006]

Thank you for all your reviews and information. I always enjoy your videos. Best regards 🇦🇺

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

My pleasure Jon!

[@kilomatik]

I recently bought a Model 70 Alaskan .300 win mag. Ohhh man i love this thing! I watched this video shortly after I purchased the rifle and I could not be more pleased with what I see now! As a new owner of a Winchester Alaskan its great to know what they had in mind while making this rifle. Thanks for the Great Review USOG! Your knowledge is immense when it comes to fire arms! Keep up the good work.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You have a modern classic - great purchase! Thanks for watching and I appreciate your support!

[@miked8227]

I’m in the market for a .300 win mag what did you give for yours if you don’t mind me asking? What scope did you mount it with 4x16?

[@robd380]

I have a 325wsm feather weight with pre 64 Mauser style action and trigger made in 2005 from the New haven Conn. factory . The action came fully bedded and it is an excellent rifle.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Rob - Wish I had one of those - the .325 is one of those calibers I always meant to own and test - and then there were none. Glad you have one. Maybe I'll find one; one day.

[@rickmansberger4136]

Hello Sir, Excellent Video, I bought the 150th Anniversary Winchester Model 70 chambered in .270 on the the sole advice of Gunblue490 who in my opinion has forgotten more about guns then most others will ever know. The 150th Model 70 is beautiful in every aspect. It compares well to my 1957 Model 70 chambered in.270. As you said Winchester worked very hard to get back to the magic of its Rilfeman's rifle roots. With technology being on the side of the 150th version, I think they got very very close which proves that the pre-64's were indeed lightening captured in a gun stock. Rick Mansberger

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

As you know, you have an exceptional rifle - I agree with you and Gunblue490 - a rare opportunity to return to the highest historical standards in a rifle - today. I hope they continue making them.

[@ken5439]

Thanks for this excellent review. I've been trying to decide between a Browning x-bolt, Winchester model 70, and Weatherby Vanguard. This helps.

[@bradpienaar1631]

Good to know, just bought one in 7mm Remington Magnum. Great videos, thank you.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great purchase Brad!

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

Nice video ! You brought out some interesting points . I have a current production( 2016 ) Winchester Model 70 Featherweight chambered in a caliber that is rather rare ( .280 Remington) From what I read before purchasing it , was that this particular chambering was only offered in the early 1960’s in a very limited production run from Winchester-model 70 rifles . And currently it was offered in a 2016 production run once again and I jumped on the opportunity to pick one up . It’s also very limited in this chambering of .280 Remington. I can tell you that it certainly is made with high quality materials and especially craftsmanship that reflects the pre 64’ model standards , yet in my opinion it is actually better . As you pointed out , the glass bedding is standard on all new production models (and safari grade models have the standard recoil lugs ) , free floated barrels ( which negates the need for the forward barrel screw/ nut under the front sight post as noted in the pre 64’) Mine has the ‘ Fluer de Lis’ checkering and schnabel fore end which really give it a look of elegance on the Featherweight model . A Pachmayr decelerator recoil pad is standard , and it really makes the recoil in a super lightweight package like this very manageable ( a .280 snaps pretty stout, I can’t tell much difference from a .30-06 as noted at the range when my friend and I swapped each other’s rifle , his was the same model in a .30-06 firing Hornady 165 grain SST and I was firing my .280 with Federal 150 grain Nosler Partitions ) You mentioned the floor plate magazine well , which is aluminum alloy ( it reduces unnecessary additional weight and is more impervious to the elements) The bolt is the same ‘ controlled round ‘ / push feed action , nicely jeweled bolt and a ‘ knurled ‘ bolt handle for a positive purchase when cycling it . A recessed muzzle crown to protect the barrels rifling, and I would also add that the carbon steel is of higher quality than what was available in 1964 ( blending of alloys and forging /rifling processes have been improved and perfected over the years ) The adjustable trigger is just that , made to be adjusted, and I would not hesitate at all to custom set it to a level that is adequate for your personal liking ( I keep mine right at 4&1/2 pounds ) it is single stage , no creep at all , with a clean crisp break . This again is due to better quality internals and metal finishing like with nickel boron that provides smooth clean travel and also impervious to elements of moisture and such . The stock is of high grade American walnut with checkering that is laser cut but you would think it is hand cut , a fantastic job ! The bluing is rich with deep lustrous finish . It is very fine quality firearm , and it attracts the most attention and conversation around deer camp , people just want to hold it and admire it . My only objection is I wish the rifling was a 1/9 twist which can handle heavier 165-175 grain projectiles with better consistency , it comes with a 1/10 twist that stabilizes anything from 140-160 grain ( and if I need anything heavier than that , I would just step up to a .30-06 or go Magnum ) . And the 22” sporter barrel will reduce muzzle velocity by about 60 ft/sec , a proper 24” barrel with a 1/9 - 1/9.5 twist would be correct . I would highly recommend a new production Winchester Model 70 to anyone looking for a fine quality firearm for hunting and a lifetime of satisfaction and enjoyment.

[@fjb4932]

NorthWoodsNomad, In agreement with everything you said. Bought mine new in '92 (?) and started handloading for her at the same time. Being a self taught reloader, i was a mite timid with the 1st shot from my Win. Mod 70, Featherweight w/ sexy Schnabel forend. Downloads thru full power loads, i've taken Squirrels, Grouse, Coyote, W/T Deer, Black Bear, Big Horn Sheep, Bull Elk, Cow Moose, and more than a few ( formerly smirky ) water balloons and jugs. I'm sure there are half a dozen "better" cartridges, but as for me, there's none better. . . ☆

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

I don't think there is much of a perceivable difference between the new Model 70s and the pre-64 Model 70s as far as using it as a hunting rifle goes. The new rifles have glass bedding, a crisper trigger, and a recoil pad. All of these things are desirable to me. The pre-64 has a simpler trigger design and a steel floor plate as opposed to aluminum on the new rifles. I might be wrong, and you didn't point it out in the video, but the new rifles have a free floating barrel and I don't think that the pre-64s do. Other than that, the new ones have an aluminum floorplate while the old ones have a steel floorplate which you seemed to like. I don't have a problem with aluminum; I do have a problem with plastic... excuse me.. I mean "polymer". Others will disagree, but I don't think that one can objectively claim that these differences justify the steep cost of a pre-64 if you are buying it for a hunting rifle. Of course, people are always going to claim the originals are best out of nostalgia or something like that. I bought a new model 70 in the second year of production of the new rifles (2009 I think) and have no complaints about it whatsoever. I don't have a pre-64 so I can't say from experience, but I have no desire to own one as a hunting rifle because I already have a new one.

[@joelodjick230]

After having a few modern "Classic" New Havens and FN Portugal made rifles, AND Pre-64s...I have to agree with you on all of that, MP. I love the pre 64, and there is a reason it is the standard bearer, but I honestly think the New Haven classics are objectively a better rifle.

[@John_Redcorn_]

The floorplate on the newer Sporters are steel

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

@@joelodjick230 I agree with you as well. I sure wouldn't turn down a pre-64 if it was offerered to me for free, but I won't go out and buy one.

[@joelodjick230]

@@BloodiedYetUnbowed Yessir thats where i am at too. A great deal, sure. Not gonna pay premiums.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

A wise man once said, there are many more ways for plastic (sorry, I mean polymer) to break than metal.. Yep. I mean it's great for dirtbike mudguards but ........

[@fett4life250]

I am the proud owner of a pre 64 model 70 .270. A family heirloom. Redfield scope. Engraved by Winchester and presented to my Great Uncle, a sporting goods owner at the time. It is my understanding that this rig has twenty kills, two of which are mine. It is good to know that the same engineering has moved into the 21st century.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Awesome! That is a true heirloom! Glad you get to hunt with it!

[@3ducs]

In the early morning hours today I found, on GB, a very nice 1950 edition Model 70 in 30-06. Straight comb, all original, only missing the plug screws on the receiver. Price was right so I bought it, the check goes out tomorrow. There is a rightness about these rifles and there was a hole in my collection, had to get it.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great luck - great rifle to buy. Well done!

[@boomstick4054]

“Hole in my collection”,,,,,lololol There’s a hole in my high powered rifle collection too, .284”, to be exact, right in the end of the barrel.... LOL

[@sonnygunz9207]

Great video. I’m a huge Winchester fan.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Sonny - Legendary company and Winchester remains one of the most powerful trademarks. I guess Ferrari is #1 - but among guns Winchester is up there - maybe even #1. You picked a great one.

[@Anschutz270]

Your videos are fantastic.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you. My privilege to make them.

[@MrGadinck]

Slickest action ever made on a mass production rifle! The new ones are great! I also made a hybrid .243 with the new barrel and the old action and stock(because it had been drilled.) Great video! Especially the detail on the old trigger. Very simple genius design!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You know rifles.

[@robertbrandywine]

I'd put my money on my Browning A-bolt over any Model 70! It is super-smooth.

[@endutubecensorship]

*Sako 85* has entered the chat

[@TrapperScottyAlaskan]

The year the newest model 70 came out, was the same year the 300 wsm so that's what I got, but in stainless with camo plastic bubblegum covered stock. I hate that stock. Hunting Alaska over 40 years. I picked this rifle. Trapper Scotty

[@rideswift]

I agree 100%...the pre '64 Mustangs were the good ones!...All joking aside, I have owned many Winchester M70's and love them all, even the push feed rifles. They have a great feel to them, are well built, and very accurate. If I find one in an interesting caliber I just buy it, no regard to which version of rifle it is.....they are all great!

[@alberttresslevic914]

I dont speak often to the topic but I usually get disinterested looks when I sing the praises of the current Mod70s, one of the usual responses is "But I can get a Tikka for less". Yep and my son will be using my Model70 whilst yours is buying a new Tikka.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're correct Albert. No matter how well Tikka's shoot; the Model 70 is an entirely different and better class.

[@robertboreman7672]

@@БојанПавловић-е3й pre 64s are expensive , but long after you forgot what you paid for it , you'll have a beautiful rifle.

[@endutubecensorship]

My answer to the question is.....buy both. One is an heirloom with accuracy and craftsmanship. The other shares this accuracy and craftsmanship while at a price that it can be employed as a truck/tractor rifle and remain reliable after years of hard use.

[@AlexCausey]

I love the Winchesters.

[@cs-vf2de]

never argue w/ success, and in saying that pound per pound alum is stronger than steel. great video ,thanks

[@wayne8276]

Always learning. Thank you . We'll done Sir .

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're welcome Wayne

[@ziruk-king4466]

Fn does quality work---if it means I am helping some other rifle craftsman put food on the table in another country so be it----I am going to buy the 270 win-70 in the supergrade--beautiful rifle-- who needs synthetic stock and custom triggers and crazy prices--these rifles can shoot as good as a precision rifle and they are in my opinion the best looking traditional rifle you can have in the mountains of wyoming.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

100%

[@johngetz8585]

Well, I appreciate that you tried. You missed a few major points. Pre 64 mods were machined from a billet of steel. The new ones forged. A cheaper operation by a mile. Also..the pre 64 was single point cut rifled. Its a slower operation, but sharper and slightly deeper. Modern barrels..a button rifle. Basically its "pressed in" rifling. Hand fit bolts on the pre 64s. Basically..it was made much like a custom rifle. They have a mechanical fluidity of precision "metal gliding on metal' , that modern stamped out ones dont match. They've "Remington'd" it. Night and day when operated side by side.

[@joeclark7082]

You know your dealing with a guy who knows his stuff when his pencil doesn't have an eraser!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Joe : ) Great line - I'll remember that one. All the best.

[@paulcondie2520]

Great point joe! Lol

[@miked8227]

I’m treating myself to a model 70 in .300 win mag or 7mm for a retirement gift. Really enjoy my .270 that I hunt whitetail with. Thanks for doing the video and reassuring my decision.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You'll never look back. The big 300 flattens everything and in the 70...runs forever. Happy retirement. My friend retired over 25 years ago or so - he brought home a nice two pointer this season. 91.

[@squirrel-eatingjon2514]

Good one. What struck me watching the second half was how much i enjoy the little snippets of commentary that go beyond the basic nuts and bolts of the subject. "Everybody's talking about triggers these days..." and "I'm not running around at ranges shooting stuff with firearms..." etc. The glimpses into the philosophy of the rifleman. So why is everyone talking about their triggers and going to gunranges and burning through boxes of ammo and pulling out their hair if they don't get MOA groups and getting their actions bedded and etc. when if you look through the history of the men who spent the most time actually using these rifles for their intended purpose - the great Alaskan bear men, the ivory men, the famous PH's of Africa - these men who excelled at their rifleman's game as it was intended to be didn't worry much, and in many cases at all, about any of this stuff. They may have barely cleaned their guns. And they got their game, consistently. Yet we who spend a tiny fraction of our days with rifle in-hand as compared to them do obsess over these things. I believe it's because with so many people out there now and so many restrictions necessary on hunting in most places, those of us who are left with so much time on our hands not doing what we most want to do - hunt - instead must focus on other aspects. The human mind abhors a vacuum. Collecting for instance is one consolation we use to fill that void - does anyone NEED 40 Savage 99's as one fella i knew had? - (did Harry Selby have 40 Rigby .416's?) - and making a fetish of little details like triggers and glass bedding and sub-MOA and the 6.5 Creedmoor or whatever the cartridge of the week. Isn't the plastic-stocked stainless gun an interesting aspect of this subject, too? We seem to have time to obsess over all these other things that make little to no difference to our brief days in-the-field and spend endless time, ammo and money at the range, yet we believe we have so little time to tend to the maintenance of a wood-and-blued gun that we defile our pursuit carrying an ugly piece of plastic into the woods. Another bizarre way we've fetishized our passion. Thanks, interesting segment!

[@Demonslayer666100]

Love to see you do a video on the Model 54 winchester

[@robertowens3484]

Fantastic Videos! So glad I recently discovered your channel!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Robert! Glad you are here.

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

Good day to everyone, I recently purchased a 1992 Winchester model, 70 classic Supergrade, in caliber 270 I called up Winchester concerning this rifle and they confirmed that this was basically a remake of the model 70 pre-64, only better, controlled round feed, all metal components, the same, original trigger, better construction in the event of a case rupture and gases, coming back toward the shooter, it’s glass bedded from the factory, and it is an exceptionally well-made. Beautiful Rifle. PS. Pre-64 rifles have nothing on this, it’s basically the same gun only better, these are also the words from Winchester. ! Thank you for the video 😊

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you Johannes, Excellent rifle without doubt. I was looking at a French Walnut Super Grade yesterday in 7mm Rem. Mag. Stunning rifle. I find the post-64 push feed excellent as well. In short, just about any Model 70 is great rifle. All the best! Mike

[@johannesvanhoek9080]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Good morning sir, French walnut Supergrade, Yes, it is extraordinarily beautiful looking rifle and Remington 7mm mag is a plus on top of it all ,,, I hope to see a review in the event that you borrow or purchase this Rifle ! The best to you and the family Mike 👍

[@ethanamldon5657]

I have a 1980 model 70 30/06 I've been using since I was 12 and it still shoots true they are great guns

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Ethan - Those are very fine rifles - as you know from experience. Many people prefer the push feed 70s - and may write me. Others like the pre-64 etc... Room for everyone.

[@ethanamldon5657]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns i also have a 1961 model 92 lever in 99% condition that i got at a pawn shop for $150 last year they didn't know what they had

[@scottscheuerman6170]

It is interesting I like all the model 70 my first one was built in1968 and those were the ones that wasn’t supposed to be any good but it shot really good it would place 3 bullets with reloading into an area you can cover with a dime and I have a current control feed feather weight in 270 Winchester and I like it also my latest one happened to be pre 64 300 H&H I want to go to a pawn shop I had never been to before and there it was so now after all these years without a pre 64 I own one

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great find Scott - awesome actually! You have an extremely desirable pre-64. And you're right about the post 64 - excellent and accurate rifles - at least every one I owned.

[@HondaMechanic1]

I'm here looking at the differences in the old and new .. I have a pre 64 Winchester Model 70 , re-chambered in 375 Weatherby Magnum by Weatherby , it was bought in 1948 and has only had 1-2 boxes of shells shot thru it .. I was thinking of selling it and am still looking for info on it ..

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

The early Weatherby's are in high demand - especially on a pre 64. If the Weatherby markings are there and the rifle is in high condition I'd guess $1700. or so. I would say higher but that was what a recent early Weatherby sold for - in .300 WM. Hope this helps.

[@Cenilio714]

Excellent video, havne't looked to see if anyone has said it, but the glass bedding on the alaskan is from the factory. Keep the model 70 videos coming! :D

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Okay great - now I know - and thanks for the words of support! I'll keep filming.

[@Briandotmiller]

Is that just on the Alaskan I just got a 2017 model 70 sporter in 30-06 would it be bedded from the factory as well?

[@33journeyman]

Mike, just some information for you. I ordered a Winchester Mod 70 Alaskan in 300 Win mag just over three years ago and just got word it will be shipping in this week. I politely called Winchester over a year ago and they stated they were not building Alaskans at that time but planned to do so...In short it certainly appears that Winchester (FN) tools up and down for the many models that they produce. Btw , never ever had any issues with post 64 Wins regardless of models. They're all top quality in my humble opinion...

[@davidjanzen5728]

Same situation hear,just got mine in 3006 2 moths ago after waiting 4 years,put a S&B klassik 3x12-44 on it and it's a great 280 yard point of aim rifle with some old 200 grain rounds I made up, in fact several 5 round groups came in at .9,overall 40 rounds fit in 1.89 inches ,she's a shooter,but now my arm needs to recover,lol!!!

[@33journeyman]

@davidjanzen5728 That's excellent accuracy. You're ready for anything ! Overall how was the fit/ finish and wood work turn out ???

[@biz-73]

Great video! I enjoyed the comparison, I own a 2013 model Mod 70, love the rifle so far.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

They are so great - the rifleman's rifle.

[@jonybgoode1]

very nicely done,as usual...I wish you would of taken both bolts out for a side by side comparison...very similar,but different.as far as the contour of the bolt body..seems like on the pre-64 there was an extra boss of some sort that is missing on the newer model...thanks,for your videos,,

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Jon, I'll have a look - I miss things that are right in front of me sometimes : )

[@gatorade21000]

lol just asked for this today after seeing you m70 pre 64 vs post/looks like youve already got me covered

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

They are all such great rifles John; making the video causes me to examine guns more closely and in a comparative way. That recent production .300 Win. Mag. is really something; and affordable. Great times in some ways.

[@gatorade21000]

USOG i picked up a new 70 featherweight in 308 about 3 years ago and couldidnt be happier with it nice to see them getting back to what made them great /great informational videos hope you keep them coming

[@sooner5484]

Thank you, like your detailed informed reviews, much appreciated, cheers.

[@oncall21]

The original trigger was great. Either in the the Pre 64 or post push feed models. The current trigger design you have shown does have two screws in the front of the enclosed housing. I have adjusted both and the original trigger design is simpler and a better trigger just in my humble opinion. I like how you have highlighted the recoil lug issue. The current/improved T-3X now has a steel recoil lug in the stock as some owners complained of the previous one (made of alloy) 'stretching' in calibres such as .338 Win Mag and 9.3x62. All that aside thank you once again for sharing.

[@williamjohnson2896]

In my view the worst weakness on the pre 64 is the forward guard screw going into the action in the lug recess area, why not into the recoil lug like the great Mauser and even the Springfield. Both are grea guns though. The cross bolt on the newer one was added years ago due to some splitting issues of the stock where there is very little wood left because of the trigger and magazine cutouts. Also how is the bolt attached to the bolt body today, Winchester had some trouble before they shut down and I don't know what they do today, still appears to be two piece.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi William! Thoughtful comments - I'm pretty sure the recent Model 70s are a two piece design - they use some kind of creative pressure fit and splines - which seem to never fail. I still think one piece is the way to go - as you know.

[@chrisgeorge6928]

I just picked up a 1964 Winchester 70 300 winmag for 600 that said the bore was pitted . After spending an hr running patches threw it , it looked like it was barely fired with strong riffling . I guess i got lucky . Only thing that stinks is that i missed it being a pre64 by a few months lol

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That's a happy ending - good on you for sticking with the job. The rifle is fantastic - no issues and accurate - just lovely...but followed around by that date shadow. I'd pay no attention. Bravo.

[@ianmoone2359]

I have a 1980 model 70 in .243 (long action featherweight) which is basically the same as these 2 model 70’s, with the exception that the bolt is slightly different. It has two opposed locking lugs at front of the bolt, claw extractor & pin ejector. I think I personally prefer it to both of these 2. Steel floorplate. But I wouldn’t knock back either a pre 64 or the latest offerings. My eldest lads just bought another model 70 supergrade in .308 that is about to be rebarrelled to .243, because there’s not much in Oz that needs .308 to down it in this particular area ‘cept feral hogs & .243 more than handles them.

[@robertbrandywine]

I bought an all Portuguese Model 70 Safari Express about 6 months ago. I know some Americans hate that these rifles are no longer made in the U.S., but the fit and finish and workmanship is outstanding. The trigger is super crisp with no after travel. Sure it is complicated, but I guess they had to do that to make it idiot proof because of our litigious society. I especially notice checkering and it is perfect on mine whereas Pre-64s have rather poor checkering. Because it comes with a soft recoil pad, that's money I don't have to spend and could use to get a steel floor-plate if that was important to me, which it isn't. I have no desire to own a pre-64 although I understand why people collect them. One thing you didn't mention is that there were various minor changes to the Classics (the new ones) to make it a little safer.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great post Robert - I agree - sorry I forgot the safety items.

[@four4bman979]

Great video and great analysis!

[@nickhorton785]

Yes honest and sincere. Thanks for showing the differences.😁🇺🇸

[@GMC05]

If you go on there website it says the super grade comes with a steel trigger guard, unfortunately no iron sights

[@JeffreyPatterson-h1v]

Once again, thanks so much you’re the best !

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're must welcome

[@christopherkingsland4604]

I have a new M70 Alaskan 300WM and have to agree on your assessment of 9/10. It's so good that I don't want to shoot it but instead preserve it... I hope that maybe one day they'll return to the simpler trigger technology of the pre-64s !!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hello Christopher - That's as good as i gets and I'm glad you bought one before something changes. I can't find a better rifle. I'd take it hunting - but that's just me; we live once : ) My Best

[@christopherkingsland4604]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns So true, the M70 is a winner so I hope they don't change it but rising cost pressures like happened in 1963 are a concern. The M70 Alaskans and Safaris are pretty rare up here in the Great White North and list new in the $2,000+ CDN range (though the Featherweights are discounted about 15% by Cabela's) so maybe I'll pamper my new one and try to find a used one to take to the field ... Cheers

[@ianmark5912]

Thank you. Quality video. Well done

[@squirrel-eatingjon2514]

I'm thinking after watching the first half of this of my 2017 Triumph motorcycle, new model that year, "Bobber." It was perfect, as Triumph intended it to be. They hit the ball right out of the park. Then over the ensuing few years they buckled in a tight market to the motorcycle public's wish-list, and we're talking non-designers and a fairly low common denominator here, people who did not take the whole into account and for whom the old saw "there's no accounting for taste" absolutely applies. As a result the same model today, five years on, does not offer the design perfection of the 2017 model.

[@gregkerr725]

Good video. As you know, Winchester went through numerous owners and a lot of things changed with the model 70 during those years....a lot of those changes were for those reasons you stated. I was in the business when FN started making them...I think in the early 2000's...and I was very impressed with the quality of...as you said...the return to quality. I was told that even the gauge thickness of the metal parts was more beefy than those intervening low quality years. Since FN started making the model 70 I do believe it is as good, or perhaps a better rifle than the pre-64 was. Heresy I know! As a side question, I've had, shot, and hunted with a Husqvarna rifle in .308 since I got it from my Dad around 1980. He bought it second hand from a neighbor around 1967 or 68. I have no idea what model it is because it has no model number or name marked on it. It has a beautiful monte carlo cheek piece stock with cast off for a right hander. Good checkering, and I would guess ebony forend tip. It has a mauser style claw extractor on the bolt. I think it is probably what they called a "crown grade". I do know it is a tack driver! I know Husqvarna made a lot, or all, of the well regarded Swedish model 96 mausers. I have often wondered if they are still in the military arms business or have just switched to mowers and chainsaws!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I also think you have a Crown Grade - I'll try to remember to show the Crown I have and you could match it with yours. As for the Model 70 - several informed people have reported the same thing to me; that the FN made new model 70 is as good or better than the original. Thanks for writing Greg.

[@ikesteroma]

4:35... "This [older] trigger doesn't break as cleanly as the current production trigger. That doesnt mean anything to me." It should. A crisper, lighter trigger will give you tighter shot groups. Also, although the older trigger may be very reliable, that doesnt mean the newer trigger isn't.

[@herbertsmith6416]

Another excellent video.

[@manwithclass09]

The 270 Weatherby is mine!!! I may need some advice USOG! Stay tuned please - i hope to see the rifle in a week or so... Enjoy the rest of your weekend. MM

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Excellent! Have a good Sun. Look forward to hearing from you next week. Great addition!

[@manwithclass09]

Good afternoon Sir. I do look forward to seeing the Model 70 next week. Really hard to believe that I am finally now just purchasing a pre-64 Model 70 when I own many-many other firearms and have been collecting for years. I plan on taking fresh photos of the "now ready for the range" SKS woods stalking carbine today. I hope I can actually hit something with it now that I have spent hours sprucing this thing up! No matter what, I learned from the experience and had fun... Take good care Sir. Hope you enjoy our web-site!

[@manwithclass09]

Good morning USOG - I finally have images of my SKS Stalking Carbine to send. Not certain how to share via KZbin - I will work on that today/tomorrow. I could forward the images to you from my work e-mail if that is acceptable. I also included a very few images of the new (old) Mauser Sporter I picked up last week. Thank you Sir.

[@manwithclass09]

Good morning USOG - well since we last chatted - I have added the pre-64 .270 Weatherby - a pre-war Model 70 in .257 Roberts and a Kimber US Government .22 LR that is like new in the box! I have been pretty lucky lately at finding some really decent buys on some hard to find firearms. I have always really wanted a pre-war Model 70 in .257 Roberts and I finally came across one! I also picked up the Mauser 98 sporter I referenced in an earlier note and this is a really interesting rifle I am looking forward to working on. This rifle still has the Nazi Eagles in place on the receiver and barrel and I am not quite sure what to do about that fact. They give me the creeps knowing what they stand for so they will likely need to be erased somehow - especially since this rifle is 100% sporter with no historical value. I now have acquired three more projects that I am hoping turn out as well as my SKS. Take good care Sir and I look forward to seeing you next video and chatting again down the road.

[@mdirtydogg]

Another excellent video. Thank you. Would you say the newer Model 70s are built better in terms of material and tolerances? Thank you.

[@reb1050]

I've never quite understood the desire for "Pre 64" rifles. I got my Model 70 Featherweight (30-06) back in 83 and it served me well for over 30 yrs. and now it's serving my son well. Never any mechanical failure and very accurate. What else is should one be concerned with?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agree. In terms of function the post-64 is excellent. The halo over pre-64s is a collector thing as well as CRF, which many refuse to hunt without. As one viewer wrote me, there are all kinds of paintings that are beautiful and work perfectly as art on the wall. And then there's owning a Rembrandt or van Gogh. I'm not sure if that's exactly right but I get the idea. Anyway, I think the post-64 is excellent. Thanks for the note and all the best to you.

[@c5back9]

I’ve been on the fence on the new 70 since it’s release, but I’ve come to respect your views and given your comments here, I’ve made a decision to pull the trigger on the purchase of a new Model 7O (pun not intended). And given that its new, I’ll have no worries about putting lots of rounds through a classic collectible and thereby possibly reducing its value. Thanks!

[@avocado9763]

What an excellent presentation. Thank you very much. It is sad to quality has gone down price has gone up.

[@reynaldogonzalez6071]

the collectibles were made to be shot and enjoyed! when we die it wont matter

[@ChallisVenstra]

I have a 1957 Model 70 and a 2012 South Carolina Model 70 (assembly moved to Portugal in 2013.) I’ll admit my pre-64 is a safe queen, but it shoots as well as the 2012. I like the stock on the 2012 better, it fits my big hands better, but there is something to be said for the craftsmanship of the pre-64 and fitted wood to steel. Aside some cosmetic differences and a few improvements in the gas ports, the only other difference in the actions is the follower contacts the bolt in the pre-64, the modern one does not. I love the simplicity of the old trigger, but I’ve never had any trouble with the new “MOA” trigger either. To be fair I don’t hunt Africa or Alaska, it just rides around Utah in a saddle scabbard hunting deer and elk. I like what he said about learning to manage your trigger. I’ve never noticed pull weight with a deer in the scope. So many things about the pre-64 fly in the face of the so called “experts” these days. The stock is NOT free floated, it has the screw in the barrel boss, as this video shows it is NOT glass bedded, and mine shoots as well as the modern, free floated, partially bedded version. Both rifles are capable of sub MOA accuracy, but as my sweet wife will attest, a Pacmyr Decelerator pad is much easier on the shoulder than steel, especially shooting her husbands 220 grain hand loads. The funniest part is my sweet wife also has a Tikka T3 .243 just like he shows in this video, and it shoots dime groups, and I’m not a paper shooter. I have the target still. I couldn’t believe it shot that well. Another gun the goes against internet “experts.” Anyway, my long rant, but cool video. I love both versions of the Model 70, even if I don’t love the “made in Portugal.” Go USA 🇺🇸 !!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Such a fine comment you wrote - not that you need to hear that from me. Thanks for taking the time to write. Those Tikkas are amazing and so is the modern "pre-64." Much like just about everything else; which rifles we shoot and which ones we like and which ones are best, one way or another - it is all relative. In my videos and writing I try to present what I see "from my tree stand" in life; which is only one small place. There are many more and better perspectives and I like that. Anyway, if they made an exact copy of the pre-64 - right down to the barrel screw, no glass bedding and the stock finish - the rifle would sell well and be as perfect now as they were in the past. BTW - your life in Utah sounds near perfect. I look forward to your future comments.

[@ChallisVenstra]

USOG thank you for the kind reply. Subscribed. 👍

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I like the Latin. Does the grape really change color? When I was a child my father had me memorize various Latin sayings...Varus, Varus....then I took Latin in school and now I read from those great minds whenever I have time. It seems they thought of everything except how the loss of reason spreads like cancer.

[@jbeastist]

have a model 70 1953 24' barrel and model 54 20" barrel both 30/06

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Some people would crawl through the internet wires to get to those rifles. Absolute beauties and of great and lasting value. The 54 is far finer than most people know. The Nickel Steel barrel ones are as tough as I've seen. Thanks for writing Joe.

[@havocchaos7996]

My model 70 30-06 has a hair triger it dose make a difference for my hunting

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agree Tanner.

[@hughhughp68]

An 8lb or 12lb Trigger is out of the question, no one could honestly shoot well with such a set up.it’s easy and safe to bring it down to an acceptable level. Most Triggers today are probably 3 to 4 lbs anyway.

[@charlesm4813]

The gas venting in the pre 64, which is at the bottom of the bolt is not there. The newer Classic is an improvement and mimicks the Mauser 98. The pre 64 stock has a bigger drop in the stock at heel and comb. Which is understandable of that era where more open sights were in use.

[@robertboyd3863]

My pre 64 243 , had too straight a stock to be able to use the open sights , they were worthless , great gun though , the older ones had a stock you could use open sights with

[@lukeharris1314]

These videos are amazing!!!!!

[@Gideom007]

The MOA trigger is externally adjustable

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks for mentioning. Great trigger.

[@davidandersen4218]

Fantastic video.

[@fedup3582]

I have pre 64, post 64, and present model 70's and while I like the simplicity and ruggedness of the original trigger, I think the modern MOA is a worthy replacement. The present model 70 comes in different variations to suit different purposes, hence some having Steel bottom metal, and others aluminum, for example. I like the one piece bottom metal over the two piece of the pre 64 but that is just my preference. The pre 64 had variations in the models too. Overall, while there are some differences between the pre 64 and present model, I think the present model is at least the equal of the pre 64. While I cherish my pre 64, I am every bit as happy with my modern model 70's. Actually I am pretty happy with my post 64 too, but prefer the pre and present day model 70's more.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi fed up - Good to read that the MOA is excellent - I don't know about these things. I like the more recent models best now - I just bought a Super Grade - unreal how perfect it is.

[@fedup3582]

What i know of it is the MOA only has 3 basic pieces in it so isnt much more complicated than the original, but gives you an excellent trigger. All my life, I wanted a brand new model 70 30-06, but never got around to getting one for various reasons. When the factory closed, i rushed out to get one but couldn't find one. When they started to make the new ones, i rushed out and ordered a new sporter but told them i would take a supergrade if that was available. (The new rifles were hard to get at that time being brand new.) Later, i changed my mind, told them to get a supergrade but a sporter was my second choice. 8 months later they got a sporter in and it was all i imagined and I went home happy. A few weeks later, they called me, they had a supergrade and was giving me first chance at it. Not needing a second, I went down to look at it anyway and it had a beautiful feathercrotch stock. I now have both and couldn't be happier. Did later get a featherweight 257 roberts and also a featherweight 270 with a beautiful fiddleback stock, and a second supergrade with a beautiful reddish stock in 7mm rem mag. The 7 mag stock had the grain running at an angle through the stock though and it warped BAD. Winchester restocked it with a chocolate colored stock with grain so straight, it resembled a laminated stock. Good for shooting but a supergrade should be pretty too!! 😉 Anyway it kind of lost it's "luster" after that and I sold it. Also sold the 270 because I had too many 270's and wanted to thin Down. It was really a nice rifle but another had features I was less willing to give up. All are/were great shooters. I still have the 2 06's and 257 roberts and they are keepers. My nephew decided to try hunting so I am going to help him out and borrow him what he needs to hunt but I dont know how he takes care of things so I'm not too happy about borrowing him my "good" rifles, but I found a brand new XPR for $350 so bought it because I always wanted to try the XPR and figure he shouldnt be able to damage it too much. One reason for my interest in the XPR Is it also has the MOA trigger and this rifles trigger is fantastic!! Im not gonna do more than sight it in for him before deer season because I might decide I like it so much, I wont want to let him use it either!!! 😉😁 If you don't have one yet, you should try an XPR. It won't replace a model 70 in my opinion but is the best of the economy rifles, just my opinion. Its biggest flaw is its 3 rd plastic removeable magazine. (Not my preference, it works fine though.) I wish they had just put in a staggered blind magazine instead.

[@williamfeldner9356]

The current FN Winchester Model 70s are fabulous. Easily compares with Sako 85s without the ejection problems. Production quality of the Super Grade is excellent.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agree - best value out there.

[@lukefoster3550]

Would like to see or hear your take on some ultralight rifles like NULAs and some of its attempts like colt light rifle, Barrett field craft , nosler and any other similar rifles you consider similar. Do you ever include your accuracy results of the rifles you review? You definitely have a super nice collection of fine bolt action rifles.

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

Apparently, the current production Model 70 Super Grades have a steel floor plate/trigger guard also.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Unbeatable rifle.

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Agreed. I bought the sporter model several years ago but wish I had gotten the super grade.

[@pawcrawlowens8730]

As always great video!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Paw.

[@donlos.beddingfield9212]

USOG, great video I have a model 70 classic featherweight in 280 Remington cal. With the claw extractor it was made before company went to S.C. do you know if many of these was made in this caliber? Beautiful gun and great shooter it has a factory red pad instead of black like the S.C. ones

[@davematney1918]

USOG... Do you have any experience with the "Classic" models produced in the 90s before FN bought Winchester? I own 2 examples and find them to be excellent rifles. They have the Mauser claw and still have the open trigger. If so, i was curious of your opinion on that era of model 70s. Thanks

[@rmwtsou]

Sir, you are a professional.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you!

[@joehobbs490]

Good video with a good explanation of the difference. I will disagree with you on poundage of trigger and just learning to use a heavier trigger. It just makes it harder when you have to apply that much pressure on a trigger. It's physics. Lighter triggers are easier to shoot accurately. There does become a concern when they are too light with safety,

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're right - too heavy can be a problem; I've found that the threshold is higher for me and many others, then one would think. On the other hand - with all the rifles and triggers available there's bound to be a "right one" for everyone. Thanks for the note!

[@miked8227]

If my customer wasn’t so slow at writing me a check , I wouldn’t own the model 70 .270 that I have now. It was leaning in a corner of the room outside his office and I was killing a little time while he cut a check for me. To make a long story short, I didn’t make any money that day but have cherished the model 70 every since.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That's the kind of thing one never forgets. Thanks for sending.

[@manwithclass09]

Good afternoon USOG... I sm currently working on purchasing a pre - 64 Model 70 in 270 Weatherby. I have always wanted a 270 Weatherby and I do mot yet own s pre 64... The gun really meeds some TLC. But, that is what I seem to enjoy! Hope all is well with you Sir... Cheers

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

A great cal. for a great rifle - nice combination. Please let me know how it all works out - TLC and all. Have a great weekend. I'll visit your site. : )

[@manwithclass09]

Thank you Sir... Please let me know what you think. Watching some of your videos with my Saturday morning coffee - very informative and relaxing. My wife has yoga this morning to achieve Namaste - I have KZbin firearm videos and coffee with a small shot of Bourbon. We are both enjoying the morning!

[@robertboyd3863]

Has it been rechambered, I don't think there ever was a pre 64 , 270 wyb

[@liadelascarrerasbruttig8805]

Great review! Could you compare the new Winchester model 70 to the new Zastavo's ? You did a nice review of the Zastavo's imported by Interarms, but I understand Zastvo USA is now importing them again under their own name. Pricing might be the only tie breaker. Wincher's are going for around $900 new and Zastavo's for around $650 for their base model. Both Winchester and Zastavo are made overseas, so that is really not a factor

[@borisbuliak3626]

Nice video, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I've been mulling a featherweight purchase but the cartridge selection in not big. Anyways I am the same with synthetic I think it belongs in Ar's, Glocks and Walthers, not in my rifles/shotguns. Am Alaskan model in .30-06 with some 220gr partitions would be my Alaska rifle, and that's pushing it when it comes to recoil for me. Anyways keep it up.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks Boris - the Alaskan is a gem.

[@ronsindric4241]

AMEN by to your observations in 0:31 of this video ! Hope you are not bothered by my entreaties. I am a retired college sciences faculty with more time than money or common sense. A few Musings on less-known things please ? Your simple, straightforward, well-spoken posts keep me coming back time and again. A review of KORTH FIREARMS might be enlightening, have you ever hosted a guest you have a great deal of respect for? ODDITIES [ historic items ]- Parlor Guns, Garden Guns, Carnival Guns and all manor of firearms from the past that modern shootists might not know about, non-gunpowder firearms like spring or PCP pellet / BB Guns. Can I assume that a FIREARMS is any device that propels a projectile ? There were Paintball Guns a hundred years ago that police would use to tag criminal vehicles during a chase, the TIPPMANN C3 Paintball gun powered by burning propane, hand rocket launchers [ GYROJET ], before Flintlocks, there were wheel-locks, and more! People like to hear about oddities. This is where guest experts / collectors might be interesting. This could be done remotely using today's distance conferencing. THANK YOU !

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi Ron, I like everything you wrote. Would you like to be a guest on the channel? Please email me at [e-mail] I look forward to hearing from you! Take care, Mike