What's the fastest (officially supported) Windows 98 PC?

[@RayMak]

What about the slowest computer that supports windows 10? Hehe

[@tunnelsnake627]

I second this

[@orapidliquido1778]

i dont like you

[@masterroyale0376]

Sup?

[@Abdullah-py9sr]

Aka my computer

[@lordofthemfl9899]

@@Abdullah-py9sr lmao

[@BonkedByAScout]

That elongated Windows boot sound is like an itch I can't scratch.

[@DCookStaVideo]

I remember making a video of all the Windows startup sounds slowed down years ago. Edit: 9 years ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp2qn6yrj6x7pbs

[@thedogfan5126]

@@DCookStaVideo cool

[@Dwedit]

It's from using "Timstretch" on the boot sound.

[@basicforge]

@@Dwedit It's like "Oh, that's the Win98 startup sound!" And then "No, wait..." And then "Yup, that's cool!"

[@RaVuK100]

I knew it. Wasn’t sure what that was, but it was familiar. I remember it’s always been like this with 95 and 98. Took long time to make it run well and maintain.

[@SalC1]

Ayy thanks for the shoutout! Also, the Minecraft game itself was completely unpatched. The only things that were patched were the dependencies for the game.

[@chamber_hiro256]

Interesting

[@iEx0dus]

omg u also watch pc vids xD didn't knoe that

[@olbluelips]

I have to hand it to the Java devs on this one, “write once, run anywhere” must have some truth to it! As much as I dislike programming in Java (it’s so verbose), maybe I can learn to love another JVM-compatible language. (Kotlin or Scala?)

[@sametaor]

Ayy, the guy's here!

[@ZettaBlitz]

Hi Sal, Thank you so much for introducing me to Matt! wouldn't have ever seen his channel if it weren't for you! PS: I forgot exactly how... but it really, really had something to do with you!

[@rudravisual]

I appreciate that you show the system not working at 8:06 - its good to see the troubleshoot process and a good learning opportunity for anyone watching.

[@jesperhagstrom]

I worked on a museum where we had three computers which the visitors could interact with. They were all running different versions of Windows. 95, 98 and 2000. Part of my daily routine was to start em up, I remember the one with 95 was the fastest one and 98 and 2000 took forever to boot. Funny thing is that we where running them until 2016 and they did their job mostly alright without any major problems. I loved hearing the nostalgic boot up jingles every morning :)

[@afrini]

That's nice!

[@LegoWormNoah101]

What was the museum?

[@Adamlol642]

Luuckkyyyy

[@butterccm]

Get a few more computers, one with xp, one with vista, one with 7, one with 8, and one with 10.

[@MF175mp]

In 2016 some users were still using xp as main os and very rarely even w98! Actually even now someone is still doing that. Windows 7 in the other hand will never ever vanish

[@dudz1898]

Chat: Did you do it? Matt: Yes Chat: What did it cost? Matt: Everything

[@nothanks39]

@@obscurevgm2759 ok

[@nogoat]

A ducking year.

[@kouvolaartschoolfinland9332]

@@obscurevgm2759 everyone does

[@thealien_ali3382]

Me: I have a tiny wang

[@trapsarentgay4195]

@@obscurevgm2759 ok

[@lepidotos]

"how could a driver that shipped with it already be causing problems?" it's windows 98. it just comes with the territory.

[@Cyberc50x]

Plug and play? More like plug and pray.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

Back when loading drivers from CD was common, commonly given advice was to forget about that and download the latest from the website. The CD drivers were fixed in time and were usually made before any user feedback.

[@fran5678can]

@@Cyberc50x lol

[@acmenipponair]

@@Cyberc50x That's the name of the Computer Radio Show I have in concept :D

[@tituslafrombois1164]

@@dycedargselderbrother5353 this. Unless you were buying hardware on launch day, installing the 1.0 drivers on the CD was always a terrible idea.

[@MultiWirth]

this channel is basically THE right one to discover at night. I also like messing around with old and new hardware, trying impossible things just like installing windows 7 to my pentium III laptop (and it just worked fine after upgrading to 512mb ram)

[@rexa06]

*opens chrome 5 years later it loads

[@DailyCorvid]

​@@rexa06 So.... the comment says posted 4 months ago, see you're exaggerating it was never 5 years!!! It was only 4 months, that's a totally reasonable load time for my 492 Chrome tabs featuring flat earth nonsense and goblin pornography. 🤣

[@superpie64]

​@@DailyCorvid goblin pornography 🤨🤨🤨

[@cursordgod2935]

@@DailyCorvid goblin what 😳

[@DccToon]

ayo@@DailyCorvid

[@pdlbackup]

I can't believe how much effort was put in this video. I love it.

[@toara]

and i cant believe he forgot the monitors

[@portablerefrigerator4902]

321st like

[@thespoon3061]

(Sorry for bad English) He didnt only put effort into this video, it's the dream of a man, the achievement that he set himself to go for. The video is only a way to share it to us.

[@lieutenantmiller2039]

Dude - that was a very cool project! I just cleaned and upgraded a 1999 IBM Aptiva desktop PC. I need a gameport. The one on the motherboard became disabled in the BIOs and just disappeared so I had to use an Ensoniq sound card. All kinds of problems - Windows 98 was unstable. I’d forgotten how weak and slow it was. Great video.

[@onethingidontknowwhy]

is it just me or could team fortress 2 run?????? it would be cool, but could it run????

[@supersungal2]

I hate going through endless troubleshooting, but watching someone else do it? Unending fun!

[@SolidSonicTH]

Probably because it's cathartic. Being on the outside looking in gives the process perspective.

[@DarkTails256]

Fun is infinite

[@JacksonDevices]

​@@DarkTails256I KNOW THAT QUOTE!!!!

[@DarkTails256]

@@JacksonDevices yess

[@DccToon]

is that from the fnaf@@DarkTails256

[@TechGamesAU]

Bro these games are mandatory: - CS 1.5 - Unreal Tournament GOTYE - Battlefield 1942 + Desert Combat Mod

[@sebastianteaca7794]

cs 1.6 probably

[@gorkemsenol4128]

@@sebastianteaca7794 No

[@harryshuman9637]

You forgot Mafia, Red Alert 2, Diablo, Diablo 2, StarCraft, Duke Nukem 3D, Max Payne

[@gspapp]

Hl1

[@xddstudiosbywr3cked845]

Need For Speed: Underground is mandatory.

[@pmatous]

I believe the CPU compatibility could be improved by using the third party tools to expand the BIOS into its individual parts, replacing CPU microcode by a newer one, putting it back together and flashing it (I did that on my motherboard to update PXE ROM and AHCI/RAID ROM part and it still works to this day).

[@cursordgod2935]

thats cool, you could make a tutorial with that one

[@pmatous]

@@cursordgod2935 There are some available already and it really depends on what you want to achieve (have a better CPU support, being able to use big disk drives with old motherboard, improve feature set when booting from network, unlock some hidden options... ) search for "Win-Raid Forums" but beware: it's a deep rabbit hole :-)

[@Shaddow798]

Do you still know what you used to do that

[@Bewefau]

or you could crash your whole system when you mess it up lol

[@markusTegelane]

You'd want a BIOS reprogrammer and some clips connected to a Raspberry Pi before even considering doing this, because there's a real chance of corrupting the BIOS if you do any modding.

[@gaminization1721]

I was waiting so long for this

[@gains77]

me too

[@nu52927]

Same

[@samuel-wankenobi]

Yep

[@inocentdrkangel]

I remember coming across the laptop one ages ago not long after he released it... Maybe within a month or so? So glad to see a resolution finally!!!

[@voxeltek6624]

Same.

[@keithsimpson2685]

The fact you can do this is a triumph of so many engineers over time at multiple companies.

[@qpSubZeroqp]

I agree. Even though it's not the best experience, the idea that this is still possible today is an engineering win

[@nothin1456]

@@qpSubZeroqp loved all the abilities of old motherboards . So many cool functions .

[@jonasgrill1155]

8:16 That's the most true statement I've ever heard about programming.

[@willemschipper7736]

Haha yeah totally agree

[@unkn0vvnmystery]

I think what is going to Break when that happens.

[@Triumph263]

Program doesn't start the first try: Okay, I expect this, where and why did you break? Let me throw in a few print statements and maybe a break or two. Shouldn't take too long. Program starts first try: What did I do wrong? How could this happen to me? Do I even know how to program? Should I throw in the towel and start over? Should I just become Amish?

[@jonasgrill1155]

@@Triumph263 when it works the first try, I'm just checking everything, making sure the result is correct, making sure it doesn't randomly crash, etc. when it doesn't work first try: do a small fix and assume the program just works now lol.

[@unboxthedog3330]

Nah bro you’re so dumb

[@kkmac7247]

Really cool you have subtitles on this over half hour video. I don't need it myself, but personally I just like to have them on and there are people who do need to have subtitles, so really cool you bothered to actually put them in and not use the really bad KZbin auto-generated ones.

[@safetinspector2]

34:52 THE FAMOUS WINDOWS 98 SHUTDOWN BUG!! Oh, man! I spent so much time dealing with that for my business clients back in the day. :)

[@safetinspector2]

​@Jimmy S Well, I don't recall us trying that! If I ever go back in time, along with advice to buy Bitcoin, Apple stock and VMWare stock, I'll tell me to try the shutdown audio. :)

[@GTFour]

I’m trying to recall what caused it and what the fix was but I can’t for the life of me remember

[@OlegDorbitt]

Oh wow. That must've sucked. My WinXP at the time was buggy (for instance, I would be lucky to hear working sound) but at least it knew how to shutdown properly!

[@mindblast3901]

@Jimmy S Then went to crap Vista 7 was ok 10 crap by then I went linux for 9years

[@rando843]

@@mindblast3901 Man I really don't get why people shit on Win 10 I mean don't get me wrong it's still, y'know, Windows, but from what I remember it's not far off from 7 or XP, definitely infinitely better than Vista and 8 at least. I always see talks of it updating and restarting on it's own and like, that's literally never happened to me, not even once, and I've been using it ever since it was in public beta. That said, yeah I'd maybe switch to Linux if I had an AMD GPU (Nvidia drivers on Linux are too fucking shit, I'm sick of troubleshooting that, I can't deal with it anymore)

[@youssefr]

"The only nut I'm feeling is one directly into my eye." (9:48) - MattKC, 2020

[@Giovanni12332]

why is this not the first comment?

[@Camqu9]

Guys do not like it anymore because it's perfect

[@cosettapessa6417]

@@Giovanni12332 did he mean jizz?

[@BetaStar-fo2te]

@@cosettapessa6417 😉

[@guts2048]

​@@cosettapessa6417 yup

[@IronicTonic8]

I've been building retro PC's for years, and I can totally understand all the steps you went through to build this. For my 'Ultimate 98 build' I went with the Asrock 775i65G R3.0. In my opinion, this is the best board you can use for an ultimate 98 build. It supports Core 2 chips with up to 1066MHz FSB, which includes some of the newer 45nm Wolfdale chips that are capable of being overclocked to the 3.5-4.0GHz range, if you desire. The E8600 isn't officially supported by any of these 775 boards because it uses a 1333MHz FSB. The most popular choice if you're looking to overclock is the Pentium E5800 because it starts with an 800MHz FSB which gives a lot of overhead for FSB overclocking, but it's still a beast even in stock form @ 3.2GHz.

[@SOTP.]

What do you mean officially supported? Is there a way to make it run?

[@IronicTonic8]

@@SOTP. I haven't tried the E8600 or any of the Wolfdale chips that support 1333MHz FSB, so I'm not sure if they will work. The Asrock 775i65G R3.0 board doesn't 'officially' support 1333MHz FSB CPU's, but it can achieve that FSB through overclocking. The E8600 might post and require a manual overclock to get the CPU working at it's correct frequency, or it might not even post because the bios doesn't recognize or support the E8600 'officially'. I'm sure someone out there has tried it and reported their results, I'd check the VOGONS forum.

[@SOTP.]

@@IronicTonic8 ok.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I have a board with 945P chipset, which does support the 1066 CPUs but not the 1333 ones. Putting one in anyway just causes it to not boot.

[@pazitor]

Yup. This is a great MB and I use it for my 98SE build. My next dedicated OS machine, this time for XP, is also an ASRock, the 4CoreDual-SATA2, with the venerable Q6600. Smooth, if not fastest.

[@E.Wolfdale]

I remember when my father took computer to a service and they sold him Windows XP - "because it was better". Maybe it was better, but on Celeron 500MHz with 64 or 128 RAM it was a disaster, and an even bigger tragedy was that many of my favorite games stopped working and I haven't played them again to this day.

[@andyvanderbeken3729]

Pro tip: Disable the windows start up sounds and watch a great improvement in your startup speed ! Awesome content btw ;)

[@ghomerhust]

yep, loading the sound byte actually took system resources back then!

[@BilisNegra]

Guess you must be joking, right?

[@andyvanderbeken3729]

@@BilisNegra For the record, I was being dead serious. In that era I used to work as a professional pc technician solving Windows 95-98 and NT problems for customers all day long. One of the many 'tweaks' for faster start up of Windos 98 was disabling the windows startup sound with the reason being that Microsoft had litteraly programmed in waiting time until this (pretty long) sound had finished. Disabling the start up sound removed that waiting time resulting in faster load.

@@andyvanderbeken3729 Start up sound made little difference since it would play whilst explorer was starting up (it would stutter on lower PC's though), the shut down sound however did affect the speed since windows would wait until the sound had finished playing before it would shut down, and with how long NT4's shutdown sound was it got annoying real fast

[@grkb]

@ not every NT 4.0 computer had audio support/sounds enabled/audio drivers installed.

[@PapaFlammy69]

Damn boi, new video!

[@pilosopher974]

Ooooh papa flammy wat you doin' here?

[@AG-pm3tc]

Oh wow, papa is here...

[@tobiasgorgen7592]

Papa? Is.. Is it you?

[@kovacsdavid4362]

35:47 Windows XP username: discount Markiplier Jesus Matt, I'm laughing at that every time I see it.

[@nikopack7571]

and may I add, the man's A: drive is named Kappa and the icon is literally Kappa

[@aretard7995]

@@nikopack7571 so uhhhhhhhh, how do I change the icon?

[@mrkirbeh]

@@aretard7995 secret

[@silosis]

i scrolled up and liked the vid after liking this comment lol

[@xexpaguette]

j e s u s m a t t

[@BelligerentWoW]

HOLY SHIT! THE FIRST GAME YOU FIRST PLAYED!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT GAME WAS CALLED FOR 21 YEARS! I remember that game from what I was 7 years old in SECOND GRADE and I could NEVER figure out what it was!!! It's Chips Challenge!!! OMG.... You have no idea how absolutely SHOCKED I was to see that game image pop up at 22:01 at 1AM while I'm watching this..... You've given me straight NOSTALGIA into my veins! THANK YOU!

[@TheLastAnalogJunkie]

I own this exact same ASUS motherboard and very similar hardware, and running 98 has been pretty much a flawless experience on my end. There are a LOT of issues shown in your video that can be solved with a few simple BIOS setting changes, and a clearer understanding of how the hardware interacts with the operating system. It's understandable if you don't have a ton of knowledge about much older hardware like this, but it's definitely something you can learn! The stuff from the 98 and XP era were the last generations that tended to expect more intimate knowledge from users on a system-wide level when building custom machines.

[@drumsmoker731]

Correctly! And that's why you learned a ton of stuff, even if you didn't want to become an actual geek. But forced to solve all kinds of issues just to play games, automatically brought you into the territory.

[@degenaratezan2358]

@@drumsmoker731 indeed

[@garyr7027]

Very true, the older hardware required more attention to configuration.

[@janklas7079]

Windows 98 was actually a very stable OS, if intsalled and maintained correctly.

[@rynobehnke8289]

To be fair most of his issues are rather basic with only 1 that is not as obvious. like: Using devices that he knows Windows 98 has to great if any support for (Sata) Not double checking CPU to mother board compatibility ahead of time. Using rather late drivers when its a somewhat known issues (he after all mentioned it) that the last few NVIDIA drivers for 98 were trash and caused often nothing but issues.(this is the not as obvious one because who would expect the latter drivers to be worse) And using onboard audio when many early onboard audio chips were that great (I didn't see this as a obscure issue as with the aim for an ultimate Windows 98 machine which was his goal should a proper sound card have been a absolut requirement from the start)

[@DyceFreak]

34:48 Need to enable ACPI. When you start the Windows 98 Setup via command line, it should look like this: setup.exe /ie /im /is /iv /nr /P j 17:04 Since ACPI wasn't enabled, the HD controller started in real-mode (16-bit) and demands an IRQ instead of using DMA, likely the cause of the audio not working initially.

[@loganiushere]

Note for people reading this from a fellow 98 enthusiast: It's the /p j flag that installs ACPI. The rest of the flags are there for other reasons. So just setup /p j is what you need. SIDE NOTE: The /is flag is for disabling scandisk. I recommend it, especially on SSDs.

[@justinmiranda2818]

@Alalbann i only hear Pew Pew Pew I'm pro

[@ModernCraftEN]

Disabled ACPI should drop you off at "It is now safe to shut down." and still have reboots work, it's only shutdowns it can't do fully on its own. This system is stuck in the process of shutting down, not after it.

[@auburok]

@Alalbann You get lost? This isn't a Fortnite video.

[@SummonerArthur]

Are you telling me that sound isnt working cuz he didnt set his hard drive up properly?

[@thedopplereffect00]

I must be getting really old... I can't imagine someone not having a collection of a dozen different IDE cables from previous generations of systems.

[@gen_angry]

I've actually ran out myself :( been building computers since the early 90s. They break and/or get a comp that needs a new one and never get to replace it. Now SATA cables... they multiply like rabbits.

[@noonespecial6277]

@@gen_angry Been in IT a long time too (22 years) and only have one IDE cable left!

[@TheRobMozza]

I have a carrier bag full of them! Even got some of those fancy dual data ones (really close together wiring) and some twisted circular variants.. not even eBay would take them 🤔😂

[@armando1is1great]

Yea I think the more modern equivalent would be the SATA cable collection

[@mekumcream8279]

Well now you're old for having seen a solid state drive, so who knows anymore

[@knection1986]

Watching this video makes me thankful for how compatible modern hardware is with each other now....

[@aradinavarren]

This mobo + cpu combo is literally exactly what I had in my gaming pc in 2012

[@dosmastrify]

Straight from Russia?

[@dosmastrify]

Straight from Russia?

[@mewity]

Straight from Russia?

[@mewity]

Straight from Russia?

[@aradinavarren]

@@mewity Nope haha, Australia. Just grew up poor.

[@CptMooney]

Dumping the win98 install cab's on your harddrive was actually a treat back then. You never had to go fetch your CD whenever Windows wanted to install or reinstall some files. Which happened ALOT, especially with network drivers. which occasionally just stopped working until you wiped the entire network stack and reinstalled it from scratch. Sometimes literally dozens of times over the course of a LAN.

[@th3R0b0t]

Especially when you modified the registry entry for default Windows CD location, and it never prompted you to insert the CD, it just found the files and went at it.

[@CptMooney]

@@th3R0b0t If you installed it from the .cab's youve dumped on your HDD, it would search in that location without the need to adjust the sourcepath already. ...some things with win9x were pretty convenient, while others were just horrible. :p

[@rpavlik1]

Yep, I actually used this back in the 95 days too

[@exys2086]

20:33 "There are no viruses for Windows 98!" A little danooct1 is crying in the corner...

[@YeOldeKamikaze]

The fun part is that KernelEx can actually allow winxp viruses to fuck your win9x shit up :v

[@Kalvinjj]

Reminds me when I read about Chernobyl (the virus). Freaking flashing the 1st kilobit of your BIOS with zeroes to literally physically break the machine... Unless you could take the flash chip out and/or reflash it elsewhere, you were screwed.

[@YeOldeKamikaze]

​@@Kalvinjj It's amazing how a tiny piece of code could brick your PC haha.

[@catboygremlin]

the pinball sounds were pure nostalgia. 98 was my first OS (was probably cheap seeing as xp and 2000 had to have been out by then) and I loved it dearly.

[@katanah3195]

XP was my first, around the Vista/7 era. Probably same story, dad wants to give his young kid access to a computer, but good modern hardware is expensive and technology is breakable, so the little kid gets a cheap shitbox so it's not an expensive problem if she breaks it. It was the best. That era was peak home computing. Part of that's probably just nostalgia, because I was so young and that computer and its out of date but lovable and trusty OS was a defining part of so many years, but tbh it's also probably that the next one I used was 8.1, which was horrible, and 10 was only better in that it wasn't 8, and 11 sucks too. I love the increased power and performance of modern computers, but gosh I miss that balance of an OS being both useful and pretty, and also just getting out of your way and letting you use your programs.

[@catboygremlin]

@@katanah3195 cannot agree more. I miss OS's from that era a lot. also the games, dungeon keeper and age of mythology and diablo 2 were just the best lol

[@katanah3195]

@catboygremlin Ah, I was too young for a lot of games back then. Loved me some Pooh Bear kiddie games though, those were the best.

[@iannalemme]

I stopped for a 5 min cig break and started watching this video. Ended watching the full 36 minutes of it. Really good stuff that you show us, something very rare on youtube nowadays.

[@DailyCorvid]

Great video. No fucking straights left though they all got smoked :D

[@BobyTheDragon]

Wow... I just finished the other video about the Windows 98 build an hour ago. Thinking to myself "I wonder if he will come out with another video on this". What a coincidence!

[@purplegherkins198]

Wow I only found your channel this week, I feel blessed to have not waited years for this

[@thedjgamer-productions]

Lucky man

[@TheSlyMouse]

Legit this is such a cool video. You put so much work into it obviously and months and months of time. Awesome work man. I genuinely love all your content. The videos from your streams are great too

[@pow1983]

Thanks for the nostalgia, I have no intentions of installing anything pre XP ever again so it's nice to see it once more

[@soggybaguette8457]

“Intel Core 2 Duo.” I haven’t heard that name uttered in so many years. May my old MacBook 3,1 Rest In Peace.

[@gayusschwulius8490]

I'm just using one on my old Thinkpad T61, lol

[@toolsplustech]

@@kwebbytakeflight I' m running an E8400 in a desktop that originally ran Vista... Just wish I woulda saved for a E8600.

[@Pasi123]

I have a E8400 @ 3.5GHz in one of my HTPC's

[@feelingevaporated2912]

@Everything TechBook Pro why would someone want a MacBook that old repaired? You can buy them for less than $50

[@Mr_Lesbian]

I've got a core 2 duo t2250 laptop that I still use occasionally. 2gb ram, iGPU, 80gb hdd, windows vista. Not good, but it works

[@hhhsp951]

Every time he uploads a new video feels like history being made.

[@lieutenantmiller2039]

Dude - that was a very cool project! I just cleaned and upgraded a 1999 IBM Aptiva desktop PC. I need a gameport. The one on the motherboard became disabled and disappeared so I had to use an Ensoniq sound card. All kinds of problems - Windows 98 was unstable. I’d forgotten how weak and slow it was. Great video.

[@napostrioufvods8607]

32:19 The reason why it does crash, it's because you're not in a pure dos, so memory allocation are eaten up by Windows 98 SE. To make so you must click on start menu, then shut down, then select DOS. Then you'll be in pure DOS, from there, if you have a Sound Blaster Card prior than 2009, you can use generic Sound Blaster 2.0 drivers on IRQ 7 PORT 220 and it will works. So in games, you'll be able to configurate Adlib, Sound Blaster and of course if you have it on the motherboard, PC Speakers. I've personally used Windows 98 as primary OS from 1998 until 2006, as I wasn't willing to lost the possibility to use a pure DOS, which is important as many games and software were only available on a PURE (not emulated) DOS. Later fortunately it changes, but that's another story.

[@centurion8446]

Yeah as someone with heaps of DOS games I did miss the DOS mode after 98

[@lolol-real8752]

26:29 no one: Refresh rate: *0 HZ*

[@ttv_switcher260]

Me with my 20 year old crt monitor be like:

[@Speedster04_BRA]

As a low-end gamer myself, I can indeed confirm that that's way, WAY LESS than 20 fps.

[@sealy009]

@@Speedster04_BRA -1 fps monitor

[@Speedster04_BRA]

@@sealy009 I routinely play online shooters, simracers and RPGs at 15 or even 12 FPS... Granted, I use a setup worse than the combo from this video, soooo...

[@null-wn8ss]

Medium or low graphics

[@swirl6996]

98 on a modern laptop: lawful neutral Ultimate 98 PC part 1: chaotic evil Ultimate 98 PC part 2: neutral good

[@swirl6996]

@Raihan2fair

[@Hamster07]

opposite Linus Tech Tips

[@maxrichards5925]

Lower budget LTT lol

[@dylangergutierrez]

Tech Cautionary Tales

[@mouizeddinekisma4226]

I love how Matt makes his videos so professional and they contain nerdy content that no one else would do and make me tune in and finish the whole series. Really thank you for this gem

[@woodybutler]

You do a great job describing each step and path in your debugging process!

[@dodovomitory3496]

Matt! I'm so happy you finally did this video! I would like to suggest you a video with this computer. Oldest OS possible running newest OS possible with a VM!

[@theonlybilge]

28:40 isn't the reason that both RCT and RCT2 run well is because they were programmed in assembly?

[@bisalwayswright88]

I'm so happy to see that this project finally has a part 2. This is going to be a good half an hour

[@Gigadenza]

25:35 - Don't know whether to laugh or cry! An absolutely wonderful double feature. Humorous, informative and exceptionally well presented, thoroughly enjoyed every second and very much admire your dedication and patience in including both the struggles and successes!

[@aKuBiKu]

YES. I've been waiting for this for such a long time!

[@International_Criminal_Court]

Very fun to watch! Subscribed! Great effort, thanks for all.

[@FlintG]

"The only nut im feeling is directly into my eye" LOL

[@JonnyGators]

You probably want to go into the BIOS settings - IDE Configuration, and set it to be Legacy Mode instead of Enhanced Mode when using Windows 98.

[@2Hard2Core]

Exactly this! A complete no brainer for people with sufficient computer knowledge!

[@ionbladezofficial]

"Can't have a 98 PC without RCT2" *proceeds to kill 30 people on that roller coaster*

[@keiyakins]

He's wrong though. You totally can. Install RCT1 instead, the scenarios are way better.

[@tl1882]

*flashbacks to joel's rct2 and openrct2 streams*

[@NatetheNintendofan]

@@tl1882 and RT games... and vinesauce.

[@madgaming69420]

Now we need a follow up where you get the e8600 running on the motherboard by inserting its microcode into the bios

[@CullenCraft]

Me, an american at 4am: "Oh boy! Lets watch the new MattKC video!"

[@samuel-wankenobi]

It's 9am for me in the uk

[@4ofFive]

Me, an American at 1am with school at 8:30am:

[@busybird7149]

Who watches MattKC videos at 3am? Me: OH BOY, 3AM!

[@Kat21]

lol same

[@jonasgrill1155]

it released at 2am but I'm watching this at 5am

[@Jerkwad152]

There's a reason 98 went away so quickly after XP came out. For the most part, I didn't miss it, especially after Service Pack 1.

[@kontenterrorist2449]

@@r1oot meh, you needed fairly decent hardware with good drivers to have Win9x running stable. 98 can run fine on a Northwood 2.8 GHz but boy does it bog down within a week (with the onboard audio drivers having inexplicably worse audio quality on 98 when compared to XP SP1). Actually, XP SP1 is probably the best OS for a Northwood P4 anyway.

[@acumenium8157]

@@r1oot Windows 98 never ran stable. It's why it was so baffling that ME came out only two years later and was an even buggier re-release of it with features *removed*.

[@kirkm1976]

@@acumenium8157 wrong

[@acumenium8157]

@@kirkm1976 wat

[@kirkm1976]

@@acumenium8157 you are just wrong

[@MasterDrood]

Can't express enough how this has certainly satisfied my curiosity of the highest "new" you can use on 98, thank you for the great video.

[@binnersbee]

9:48 "as you know, the fish eye is worth 10 points." -vinyot sauce

[@centauri0]

I loved this video, I can't believe how much work you put into making your 98 box. In my experience I've had better luck with ATI video cards for 98. I have a 9700 Pro in mine it works really well.

[@TheSwartz]

When I need rare parts, surprisingly, the only place I find them shipping from is Russia as well... It's almost too odd...

[@Marek-gn9jn]

What are you getting at? It's the brand new technology over here...

[@xddstudiosbywr3cked845]

@@Marek-gn9jn how do you guys run csgo on that?

[@Marek-gn9jn]

@@xddstudiosbywr3cked845 We cool the parts with vodka.

[@acerlmt]

Why it's odd? We are poors 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@vinylspell7179]

Man.. The backgroung music is so good, and dreamy. The rest what i can say, in 2022. Subscribers on your channel 1.2 M

[@fisqual]

I can't believe this is my first time seeing your channel. Shame on the algorithm for not feeding this to me sooner. Also love seeing DankPods in your patreon list so much hahaha

[@xasmaniusvolk8416]

36:00 *solders a Frankenstein-Mainboard with 5 chipsets and 5 sockets that can be switched to just to prove it wrong*

[@hgbugalou]

I remember reading a review on that motherboard and you are right, it was designed to have a lot of legacy support.

[@karlkastor]

I love how Linux just runs on anything without problems.

[@thealien_ali3382]

I have bobs

[@HeenaPatel253]

I do have a laptop which Linux is straight up incompatible with it but in *most* PCs Linux does work

[@satibel]

there are a few drivers issues sometimes.

[@tristan6509]

Isn't it kinda the exact opposite?

[@ondrejbrandejsky5592]

I do have a few pc's that linux doesnt work on

[@Marten_Zeug]

4:55 I love it, when someone hates me, maybe because it's all i get from others...

[@guts2048]

I feel bad for you but I get it :")

[@Ashkimbo]

Pretty cool vid! I'm posting from my Core 2 Quad Q9650 build! I built a separate, offline only WinXP PC about a year ago and I have to say, it's far easier than what I've seen you go through with 98.

[@EllieSky]

I was using a Nvidia GeForce 5500 FX in my win 98 machine for a while. It was only PCI, but it was just as buggy on Win98 as in your video. I discovered that the last Nvidia driver release for Win 98 is kinda crap. I downloaded one that was somewhere between the release of the card and end of 98 support. Worked great after that! Smooth gameplay and no complaints about direct draw 3d. Not sure if that’s an option for you depending on how late late into the 2000s the cards you are trying to use where made

[@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh]

32:38 Many newer games still worked on Windows NT4 which is even older than Windows 98.

[@muIIetman]

But that's nt tho?

[@gbxngeryt]

Mate sweet vid, I love seeing old old tech in use… keep em comin’….

[@lucasrem]

why build it ?

[@gbxngeryt]

@@lucasrem why not, there are old school games and software that don’t work on todays modern computers so it’s worth it

[@goromajima7677]

“How easy buying new hardware is” **cries in exorbitant prices**

[@Dormat25]

98se was pretty stable, though it always makes me think of how stable a Windows 95 B setup I had was. That thing never crashed.

[@vladimirtitov1099]

I recall Windows 95 OSR 2.5 to be ... stable )

[@theacethree7943]

Hello, love your videos, haven’t finished this one yet, but looks like a good one.

[@anthonyt1t5]

I love these old pc videos. Subd. Well made videos, man

[@lukeystuff]

27:05 Fun fact, when they were designing the physics for Half-Life 2 they had a lot of inspiration from this.

[@ChaseMC215]

Surgeon Simulator was also inspired by Trespasser

[@rockasstley7917]

MattKC uploads a video: o It's 36 minutes long: O It's about the ultimate windows 98 PC: *O*

[@progect3548]

*𝗢*

[@WasiMaster]

*_O_*

[@thorismyname5967]

*O*

[@flp322]

Gawr Gura: *a*

[@rockasstley7917]

*Ö*

[@Jewsh]

1:38 Nvidia's Geforce 6 video cards all support Windows 98. You'll have to install the drivers through Device Manager and not the .exe installer, but they will work just fine. Running Windows 98 in 1080p was an unusual experience. There are also unofficial generic SATA drivers for Windows 98. Look up "rloew sata driver" on Vogons.

[@dibbesnl]

yes, but was this not a video about running 98 on officially supported hardware? I mean, I got 98 and ME running on Dosbox on a PI4 and it runs fast and more or less stable, doesn't mean it's officially supported

[@abrarjunejo]

Your patience with this PC is admirable.

[@ZoneDotZip]

22:16 Ah. This sound... nostalgia just kicked in.

[@VideoGameSmash12]

I have an IDE data cable that I can give to you if you want. I pulled it from a Dell Optiplex GX-260 and it has like 3 "ends" on it for connecting multiple drives. While it worked in the Dell, I'm not *entirely* sure if that's supported by motherboards that aren't from Dell.

[@01928374655]

Isn't that like any normal IDE cable? Using one device as Master and one as slave

[@satibel]

there are 40 and 80 conductors ide cables, and also not all cables support cable select, but in most cases most ide cables work.

[@abbyistrash2766]

16:24 How I read books aloud at school

[@ArcadeAssaultSrb]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@guts2048]

@@ArcadeAssaultSrb Srbin?

[@guts2048]

@@ArcadeAssaultSrb Srbin?

[@rebootretro]

Back in my PC building days, went through a bunch of those P5PE-VM. Think I mights still have a couple kicking around. I suspect you're right about it using older components; these were used, in our case, because they were cheap - not because they were good. And they were relatively reliable from what I recall. Nice video!

[@despeckt]

I love this, and your first video actually inspired me to make the same build, I did got a ultimate windows 98. it gets a bit on the gray area of things as there is support but some instability. my build is CPU Pentium 4 661 3.6Ghz CPU Cooler Cryorig H7 (if I'm able to modify it to fit a socket 775 since its a 1511) Motherboard ASUS P5P800-VM Memory 2x Crucial 256MB Memory Module DDR 400 CL3 Actually using a 120 SSD GPU GeForce 6800 AGP Case Thermaltake Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case (since I have it laying around) Modern PSU OS Glorious Windows 98 SE I also got another machine with the same concept in mind, and it was the ultimate Windows 2000 machine. that one works like a charm as well

[@Speedster04_BRA]

9:53 Matt: "The BIOS immediately appeared and POST beeped..." POST: "**BEEP**" Me: *falls off the chair*

[@martijnpieters723]

771 can be adapted to 775, which means you can use a modified X5450 xeon with 12MB cache 4 cores. Ive used this myself in an optiplex 360

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Only that 98 can only use one core. So a quad won't give any benefit over a dual there. For 98/XP dual boot the situation is obviously different. Got a X5460 myself, runs like a dream and with some oc it is surprisingly fast. In fact, I'm writing from that very system.

[@axelstrack85]

@@HappyBeezerStudios The fastest quad you could get would be the X5470, but that's a rather rare cpu to find. For a pure Windows 98 machine I would prefer a C2D E8600 as it has the same speed, but uses less power, so easier to cool. For a dual booting machine, where you don't need the maximum speed but rather want a cool (and therefore quieter) running machine you can take an E5450 (80W) instead of the X5450 (120W) or even go for the L5430 (50W). Especially in SFF boxes, where you often don't have much spare for better coolers, it keeps them much quieter.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@axelstrack85 obviously. 98 won't use more than one core, and even for dual boot with XP an dual core will be enough, can't think of any games that require more and won't run on newer Windows. Got my old E8400 here, and it has been a great choice at the time. The bigger problem comes with chipset support under 98, LGA775 chipsets tend do be a tough choice, and those like 945P won't run 333 fab properly. The E5800 and E6800 might be another choice for a fast but compatible chip.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@axelstrack85 the thing with the TDP between the E54xx and X54xx is that it's more of a theoretical thing. The maximum they're allowed to draw and the amount the cooler should be designed for, but not necessarily the real world draw. My bigger i5 for example has a 77W TDP, but even with oc it won't even touch 70W

[@axelstrack85]

@@HappyBeezerStudios I agree that nowadays the TDP is somewhat more of an recommendation rather than a actual draw. Current CPUs are more bound by a total power limit (including the internal gpu, if inside) than a fixed power draw. But I experienced it differently when I compared an X5450 with an E5450: the E-version ran much cooler with the exact same settings. It might have been just my cpus, though. Anyway, if I would see the E5450 for roughly the same price as an X5450, I would go for the lower power version any time. Referring to your other post above: maybe your game does only utilize maximum two cores, but windows itself and also some background tasks (AV software, firewall, etc.) might be more than willing to take advantage of the two extra cores. Whether it makes a big difference or not, depends how many background tasks are running. For a fine-tuned system I would also agree that a fast dualcore is sufficient, anyway. Concerning the compability of later chipsets (later than 865) under Win 98: it is always a compromise. Either you get support of later (faster) cpus and ram but loose integrated chipset features (network, sound, etc.) or you are limited to earlier 775 cpus, but have full chipset support. It's a walk on a tightrope and I have not seen a really nice solution to combine Win 98 and Win XP in one machine. That's the reason I run those os on different machines, so both os have their best environment.

[@EriolGaurhoth]

Eventually, I'd like to see the "most versatile" Windows machine. One that will run DOS games all the way up to XP, natively. I'd start the way you started, although I'd drop the socket limitation and add the requirement of an ISA slot for a dedicated sound card, as many DOS programs hate the integrated sound chipsets on newer motherboards. I'm thinking maybe a high-end PIII processor, a dual-GPU setup with one GPU something closer to the Windows 98 Max, like the 6800 Ultra, and a second GPU that's something more Win 95-friendly but still powerful for the era, like a 3DFX Voodoo 2. Would likely cost $$$ to source such rare parts these days, but would be totally worth it to run several generations of MS OSes on one machine.

[@dosmastrify]

Isa card will be much older

[@EriolGaurhoth]

@@dosmastrify There are Pentium-III mobos that support ISA cards and AGP graphics. They’re rare, but they do exist.

[@CptJistuce]

Honestly, it requires a lot of sacrifices. I tried to set up a Super 7 board for DOS and Win9x games, and found I'd rather have separate machines for both. I don't really want 500MHz for DOS games, I'd like a newer PCI sound card for Windows games, and video cards are just ugh. While dual soundcards is a workable option, dual video cards almost never is. They exist in standardized IO locations for VGA-and-older compatibility, and hardware conflicts are immediate upon booting.

[@EriolGaurhoth]

@@CptJistuceThe procesor is always the biggest issue. Some motherboards have dynamic stepping and allow you to disable cache, but that usually means you need to edit BIOS settings anytime you want to run something older vs newer. I've got a system that actually has pretty great sound; has a dual-sound setup with an Aureal Vortex 2 for Windows 9x and an ISA Sound Blaster Pro 2.0 for DOS. I hooked them up to a mixer so I can technically get sound from both of them in Windows, though just the SB works in DOS. As long as you make sure the DOS Sound card is set to low IRQs, it works great! As for dual video, the best solution is a more powerful AGP card and a passthrough PCI, 3D-only card like a Voodoo 1 or 2. Contrary to popular belief, DOS does function through an AGP card if you use the right one (my setup currently has a Voodoo3 AGP, not the most powerful but works just fine in DOS), and then a passthrough to an older PCI 3D accelerator (I have a Voodoo1, which, yeah it is weird having a newer Voodoo passing through to an older one but in the name of compatibility, it works surprisingly well). I can run the handful of Glide-mode DOS games to perfection, and then boot up to Windows 98 and run Unreal Tournament with my Voodoo3 drivers and 3D sound.

[@elizabeth_noir]

It is worth mentioning that using older drivers targeting either when your card was released or near the release of the game you want to run will get you better results for Nvidia on Win 98SE. Last drivers for Win 98 typically have worse performance for older cards. Especially for my stock Nvidia TNT2 that came with my 1999 computer, significantly better to use contemporary drivers. But I have a GeForce 3 Ti 200 on the way and you'll bet I'll be using 2001 era drivers for that card. Good luck on your Win 98SE adventures and good video. I've been having a blast on my 1999 Dell XPS T500 Pentium III machine that I held onto since 2001 and fixed up in 2017 as my Win 98SE retro gaming PC.

[@nikolainyegaard]

What’s the fastest (officially supoorted) Windows XP PC?

[@𪛗]

What’s the fastest (officially supported) Hannah Montana Linux PC? even better, TempleOS.

[@SilverX95]

probably what ever has ahci drivers for xp witch is a pain to install with out a usb floppy drive as for the fastest system mines is a 990fx with a FX-8120 125W Black Edition and a gtx 560 and 16GB of ram, though thats over kill. it runs Smooth as Butter.

[@swirl6996]

Just grab an old motherboard from like 2014-2016 Any modern CPU would work (assuming they can fit in the motherboard), and XP is still supported by a LOT of drivers.

[@𪛗]

@@SilverX95 im pretty sure gtx 980 support is possible for windows xp

[@SilverX95]

@@𪛗 980s are still pretty pricey at lest a gtx 700 series would be a better choice I'm mostly just using what i have and it works vary well.

[@SpaceBurn]

Ahhh yes finally my burning question has been answered

[@scepticgd]

24:17 Well, the disc clearly says 'This disc was designed for Windows 95. If you try to run it on Windows 98, you will encounter problems.'

[@Crazyerics]

Interesting video! I've had a similar journey attempting to find the last supported Windows 98 hardware. How far did you explore the AMD side? In my own experience, I found much newer supported hardware. The Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA doesn't list Windows 98 as a supported operating system but its nForce3 chipset *does* have Windows 98 supported drivers by Nvidia. You can pair that board with a AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition 3.6GHz from 2010(!) and DDR2 1066 Ram. In my own benchmarks this bested the Asrock i775i65g with an X6800 Core 2 Extreme. Perhaps a Part 3 video can explore this? :)

[@maggiethegamer1271]

Let's like this and see if Matt notices

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The question is, would that Phenom run faster than a Core 2. Under 98 we can't use more than 1 core anyway, so that isn't much of a topic, and stock that Phenom surely is faster than even a E8600 (fastest clocking Core 2 at stock), but once we factor in oc things might change. Both architectures top out around 4.0 GHz, so even that can't be used to decide which is faster.

[@brun0ls]

I built one last year with almost new components. Pentium D 940, 2GB DDR1, Radeon 9550 128MB (new sealed, using DVI out), 120GB SSD, and SoundBlaster 5.1 SB0100. It's very cool!!

[@kqzo]

19:24 "Microsoft Windows Me"

[@bubbletoptag2712]

Noticed that too.

[@kqzo]

ok according to an old forum post i found 4.10.2222 A is windows 98 but it says windows me if you install nusb36 whereas real windows me would be 4.90

[@BNWilliamGaming]

24:18 That’s what LEGO Islnad looks like on my XP laptop without rebuilder. That, but purple instead of blue is what it looks like on modern laptops without dgVoodoo.

[@loganiushere]

15:05 That's not driver problems. That happens sometimes when you have too much RAM. Get RLoew's RAM patch.

[@hovant6666]

27:37 that is exactly the tower our family had when I was a kid! Our CRT was a mile thicker though

[@BiskviLover]

I think it'd be more fun to make an ultimate Windows XP PC, since the last supported hardware for XP is newer and thus less likely to just be dead

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

i7-2600K, 4 GB DDR3-2133 (or 8 GB and the rest for a RAMdisk), GTX 780 Ti. Not much trickery there.

[@azrael-labs]

I modded a DOS to be able to run GUI programs, pretty fun to do, now i have a DOS-like that can run DOS games to Cyberpunk 2077. 15 years of modding

[@ВасилийПопов-м5ж]

Github?

[@azrael-labs]

@@ВасилийПопов-м5жnope, it's just a DOS cli but has the same features as linux distros, it's just a CLI using X11 that can launch GUI, i will try to recover my code before commit it in github