WHAT'S WRONG WITH JORDAN PETERSON? (Floor Presses, Osho and Joe Rogan)

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[@SenseiDenax]

Hey Frank, I just wanna tell you it's a real pleasure to see you back on KZbin.

[@GilBatesLovesyou]

I've gotten more self help from Frank Yang than Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson tells me to clean my room, Frank Yang tells me to imaginary jump rope in my room to get cut.

[@kross413]

Interesting Mr. Frong. Very interesting.

[@FluffyLionxD]

Frank 36 eggs a day

[@jarnohealth]

Oh man.. you just hit the nail on the head about Jordan Peterson.. I kinda liked him but i always felt there was something a bit off or something really important was missing or confusing about his teaching.. You just put it into words for me beautifully

[@DerpasVideos]

Never clicked so fast before

[@Kilsanta]

Your videos just keep mind fking me, no other youtuber whether it''s RSD, Elliott Hulse or Jordan Peterson can mess with my mind anymore like you can (in a good way). I appreciate your contribution towards this collective conciousness platform, thanks Frank and keep up the good work man!

[@frankyang]

appreciate it bro

[@arifkarnai]

Try actualized.org, he explains things in depth and in detail

[@chris333]

So you're saying that we should organize our societies along the lines of the lobsters?

[@louwaars]

Fronk is top lobster moterial

[@hand__banana]

Beta lobster reporting in

[@siberia9581]

Been watching your videos for a long time. I noticed it is much clearer to understand you now when you dwell on deeper topics. What I mean by this is that prior videos like some of your old roof top talks it sometime seemed that your words became tangled. Like you clearly understand in your mind what you're talking about but when you expressed it verbally it wasn't quite clear. Who knows if any of this made sense, just something I noticed. Thank you for the great videos man.

[@TheAltruismActivist]

In your opinion, what are the different routes to a direct experience of nonduality (other than vipassana)?

[@mxtrem3]

another amazing video. aesthetics and insights. you have talent for putting "it" in words frank

[@gangatalishis]

4:04 ive never seen a greater form of motivation in my life lmao.

[@tommunist10]

Before completing college I thought Frank was a genius lol. Now he reminds me of that lazy kid in every philosophy, sociology, logic, theology, or ethics class who doesn’t do the reading and comes up with his own BS that always ends up being a tenuous and primitive interpretation of what we were assigned in class anyway lol. All the comments here talking about like Alan Watts and Joe Rogan remind me of people recommending Jimi Hendrix and Slash on guitar videos lol. Same thing, different medium. Vanilla, and like Frank’s current and very limiting understanding philosophy-doesn’t even scratch the surface of everything that already is, let alone will become to be. Frank used to talk about people who are trapped in boxes of personality and lifestyle to the point that you can always predict their next move/opinion. He’s now one of them😊

[@LightyMiner]

I agree, but academic philosophy is way too technical to be even close to being useful. Also, there's so much unfalsifiable bs in theology that you can't take it seriously.

[@stockmanager]

i feel like i didn't understand most of this, is it possible in the future that u could perhaps add some reading lists that fit into what your talking about in the description or something? I know your not a professor or anything, i just want to understand what your saying better. Other than that enjoyed the visuals as always peace...

[@idontlikeyouyo]

You don't understand because most of the things he's saying is pseudo-intellectual bullshit.

[@frankyang]

I uploaded a video of book recommendation about this stuff here kzbin.info/www/bejne/hITMcoKbo8pkq5Y but keep in mind most of what Ive been talking about are not so much concepts but direct experiences.

[@jacobreynolds5324]

You speak much more smoothly now. Without an accent as well.

[@40thCenturyTrolls]

Dear fronk, Can you make a video or Facebook post about mind muscle connection for beginners. Maybe because I'm cutting but I never really feel the workout these days. Yours sincerely, Stuff.

[@louwaars]

Is the second part of "how to meditate" coming any time soon?

[@zeiniwata]

i really like the infinite triangle analogy. opens up a whole new perspective of thought

[@r1cburton]

It’s perfect

[@knowdobecome3739]

I totally agree with you. I find this problem with most intellectuals they build their existence on only intellect when there is so much more to consciousness. I still love listening to jordan peterson as he is a great speaker.

[@stephen3511]

Does 4:07 raise your testosterone levels?

[@tal4466]

It triples

[@amitanilkumar3767]

only if it smells bad

[@momo858musica]

Obviously

[@Giantsbran1227]

Frank have you read Julius Evola or Rene Guenon?

[@jiadizhang4107]

can you explain what the potential is? And what the potential and the non-duality can do?

[@maxmatthews2463]

The transition, asleep in the Tao, or self actualization, the meaning of Zen...

[@gunnarjuve]

Is that the same girl from the tinder video a while back. Always wondered

[@NicksterNOC]

Gunnar Juve it is 😂 guess they're not over each other yet

[@gunnarjuve]

Nicolas Christiansen that’s so interesting

[@jialian93]

Is that the same girl as the one in the tinder dating vid?

[@emileriksen2481]

Who.. cares?

[@lexandros22]

Emil Vang Well he does

[@adventuretimez69]

I literally just click to hear this man talk. I always learn some shit.

[@Iaintrussian]

When I perceive images, objects, thoughts, etc as a bounded manifestation of scale-less patterns, is that intellectualizing it because I originally perceived and absorbed this concept intellectually?

[@armwrestlingfan6804]

Top lobster 👌

[@summaryadav8199]

amazing series.

[@Aquwert]

The start of this video is like TMZ interview but its really your friend asking you about Wild Wild West. You were very natural in this scene as well. Interesting

[@ult11mo]

When did he talk about floor press? Interested in that only.

[@alannahalannah2873]

Floor pressing makes your form near perfect.

[@NicksterNOC]

Please reach out to Joe Rogan and link him to your channel. if you were on his show that would be incredible Fronk

[@Kevin-finity]

More! Please more!

[@andrewtran1516]

philosophizing v.s. living life: the line is blurry

[@cyruspink6217]

Now I must learn of osho

[@ganji2943]

Intellectual capacity is not correlated with wisdom because truth is beyond the mind altogether...

[@julioviloria3289]

Osho said philosophy is foolosophy =)

[@Joefest99]

Morality is a mental construct, but I think that the stringent rejection of morality is also a construct, ironically a form of morality against morality, that can block one's transcendence as well. Morality is a useful and necessary tool at stages of development that are lower than the transcendent stage.

[@Stanleygpayne545]

sad to see frank duped by non duality. he will look back on this period of his life trying to just 'be' and 'do nothing' and realize how much time he wasted

[@XxXnonameAsDXxX]

Great vid fucken love you

[@thekorv95]

Nice one Frank, your speech was really clear in this one, maybe it usually is this clear and my just brain used to be more foggy before. You still eat vegan btw? Thru life experience ive become a lot more skeptical of veganism.

[@TheAltruismActivist]

thekorv95 Go vegan if your goal is to practically reduce your contribution to animal suffering, but remember that ethics are not objective and don’t be a dogmatic/egoic vegan

[@siberia9581]

damn dude I literally just had the same thought about him being much clearer.

[@LL-it4bv]

@@TheAltruismActivist I'd go vegan for the health benefits. Also animals are going to die whether or not any of us go vegan. In reality that shit never going to end.

[@frankyang]

thanks brah meditation helped me speak and think a lot more clearly.

[@Sh0n0]

but the animals are mass produced and fostered to be killed. thats like saying you won;t mind to have kids because they will suffer and that is normal but then i forcebreed u to have 20 kids and kill them all when they are 15 years old

[@babyfacejase6391]

Can you PLEASE go on Joe Rogans podcast?! Like if you WANT this!

[@proffesionalcodplayer464]

I did acid for the first time last week and now everything you say makes sense.

[@Rex_Smashington]

4:03 I'm fucking crying at work I'm laughing so hard.

[@jarnohealth]

The more conscious you become, the more paradoxes your mind can hold. WOW, profound fucking sentence also !!

[@ofinterest370]

I have always thought this about Jordan Peterson but I could never verbalize it in the way u did. Great video!

[@baselmagdii9319]

I never understand anything he talks about but I still watch fronk for cool video content xD

[@YiishikiMore]

I love the part about Maslow

[@RnBandCrunk]

Somehow I feel like Frank is putting on a show when he's speaking reasonably and thoughtfully like that. Almost as if that is not the way he wants to express himself and his ideas, because he maybe thinks he can't express it that way. But since that's common ground for people to understand each other he still chooses from time to time to communicate like that.

[@frankyang]

everything on this channel is as how. Frank Yang is a fictional character

[@jakehenderson4425]

HOW DO YOU DO YOUR HAIR?! I MUST KNOW!

[@immanuelkant7895]

Nice striations fronk

[@brutalsimplicity2911]

LMFAO at 4:03

[@Waynelolz]

that technique hurt my eyes, rows, especially side and posterior delts

[@tdreamgmail]

Perfect blend of enlightenment and the farcical 4:06

[@breno3635]

Damn you cristalized my thoughts about Peterson, thanks frank

[@rasputozen]

The map is not the territory but the territory is just a map of the true territory.

[@jamesburns5223]

Self actualization is foundational to the transcendent. It is not necessary , but it is extremely helpful and allows for solid footing within embodiment. Transcendental levels of development can be pathological, like thinking that you are spiritually advanced because you take mushrooms and DMT. I am not against these substances. I simply think that an emphasis on experience as opposed to lived perspective is a point of potential self-deception. Ken Wilber and the other trans-personal theorists harp on these points.

[@philiplam7219]

The only thing for sure I've ever taken away from these Cult leaders is that with practice you can control your own brain chemistry. This is from a person who's known someone who's smoked Marijuana before and read about dopamine, and brain chemistry and all that. That and the feelings through out the body sort of what people have said possibly about "gimps" people that are extremely skinny. Which by the way goes into all that stuff about not eating for a while.

[@chrono8233]

Everyone in the world is competing to be "Better than" But there is no such thing, there is only "Different than"

[@Johnblackhawk]

Only thing i disagree with really is that Peterson is a teacher. He has a reason he speaks on what he does, and the angle he has, his career isn't a spiritual guru or guide, so why would he spend time in interviews and what not touching on those subjects if it isn't his intent? From what I have seen, especially his biblical lectures, i think he has an extremely well rounded view of rising above the duality of things he just doesn't touch on it because that isn't his purpose.

[@FesteringFiesta]

I feel like both Sam and Jordan would happily discuss these concepts with an open mind

[@nano7586]

Frong you look a bit more serious in this video, it's nice to see this side of yours. Btw. I'm trying to be non-judgmental like joe rogan (mainly because my parents educated me that way and I find it the best way to absorp as much helpful information as you can in life) but it's very hard because people see me as some stoner and I can't think straight (where you would say mindfullness is the way to go). I'm constantly overflown with information just because I let it enter my head while many people chose to live in their cognitive dissonancebubble, because it's easier to do so after all. I really think that's the reason I look like someone who takes too many drugs or who hasn't slept at all.. I have so many interests and hobbies but can't choose to pick one and am constantly stressed over it. And studying biologics isn't as insightful as I originally thought it would be. I will eventually end in a company where I will be isolated from outter world and just work on improving the production yield like I was some sort of robot.. but I've studied for years and can't just give it up. I wouldn't consider myself as someone seeking the truth or transcending but even with my amount of openness I feel like this openness is helping me develop but ruining me at the same time. What should I do?

[@allafu]

Life is an adventure, just flow with it. Don't compare yourself to others or let your achievements be judged by others. That will only lead to suffering down the road. Just be. Don't worry. Be Happy. (you can't force happiness, it's the result of achieving the former)

[@thoughtsandprayers]

Frank, you talked about how everything is pseudointellectual babble, and that you can only point to the moon, one has to experience it themselves. Now, how do I do that? I want to understand your point but it's not obvious to me how.

[@mikeloloful]

I might have to disagree on this one. The debate functions with the purpose of refining one's truth through the voice of an opposing thought. And its very public event makes individuals involved not only essentially discover the depths of the responsibility as a thinker but also come into terms with its limits in relation to their identity.

[@gcg8187]

It's not truth though is just mentality positionality

[@mikeloloful]

@@gcg8187 Frank is stating truth as something beyond the mind, but we as humans can only access this truth-as being-as express insofar as we can think it and more importantly, through speech/ text. Eradicating dualism is a personal journey, this is lacking when confronted with the conflict arising in history. How can one be, or claim to be, enlightened while the world remains the same (oppression, wars etc.)? What Im saying is that peterson takes this responsibility of going against wisdom, to engage with conflict through debates, not exactly for absolute truth but to directly address the ideological problems for him help one to unconceal the depths of one's responsibility for his/her being. Truth seems to always be short of something, so why not at least explore the limits of one's knowledge?

[@mikeloloful]

If there's one thing that I would criticize peterson and harris, it is that they lack academic rigor when it comes to criticizing their targets.

[@skydwellingmusic]

These videos have a high value of entertainment while still giving some shit to think about

[@nibba7438]

Whats the girls @

[@davidkim2005]

I agree about Peterson and Harris (although more so about Harris as I am more familiar with his work) and you provided great insight into them which I enjoyed. IMO I'm not sure I agree with Rogan although of course I can be wrong. Being very open towards all kinds of people as you say of him doesn't automatically make him "more evolved". It's like how some people are viewed as "doesn't care what others think" because they do crazy stuff in public and stuff. This doesn't always make him/her authentic because he/she can be doing crazy things so that he/she CAN be viewed as "one who doesn't care what others think". Unlike say, you (Frank) who seems to truly not give a fuck and just enjoys expressing yourself. Maybe I am judging Rogan incorrectly, but he does seem like he "tries" to portray that image of being someone so "psychedelic, beyond judgment, I am open to everyone", kind of like the guy who does crazy things in public to be seen as someone "above others because he doesn't care what others think"

[@smurf88]

Not sure what his current views are on this but Frank has stated before that there is no way to actually not give a fuck, so instead he gives a fuck about appearing crazy to other people.

[@shadowkill546]

I like Joe, but it's weird how he always has these right leaning people on his show, including far right Nazis like Gavin McInnes. When it comes to controversial topics, mainly about race or Islam, it's always some fake liberal or far right extremist. Sometime he'll even have Harris, who openly relishes in being Islamophobic, on the show to speak about Islam. At the same time though, he's had some really good guests on there as well to talk about race relations and racism in policing. I think Joe is a sincere guy but he needs to surround himself with better sources of information and perhaps be a bit more aware of his own biases.

[@mikeloloful]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ranEnaWthbOehKs

[@shadowkill546]

Nope.

[@vadianx]

At least in my experience, no one can hand you the deep consciousness you are talking about, they can only set up bridges for you to carry your load. Whether or not you agree with the way Dr. Peterson's spreads his message, it does make people think and talk just like you in your videos.

[@DarkorbitDarkGhost]

4:05 couple goals

[@will5125]

I felt like Wild Wild Country shed a light on how dualistic Osho really was; how he started a witch hunt for that girl who was his speaker after she did something he "didn't agree with", and how he ran from the fed's, owned so many possessions; his silence was a facade. His teachings are full of inconsistencies.

[@frankyang]

non-duality includes all dualities, but not the other way around. I can't speak for Osho but he is very interesting. All his controversies just make you question this whole enlightenment thing a bit deeper which is cool

[@will5125]

If we looked at Goenka's definition of enlightenment he certainly wouldn't meet the "requirements"; Goenka even talks in one of his discourses about how so many Indian "gurus" are giving themselves the name bhagwan without really putting in the work. In Osho's case doesn't he still Crave so much, and have so many Aversions? Obviously Goenka isn't the ultimate authority on what enlightenment is but wouldn't it be fair to say more people have realized it through his teachings? Isn't that how you reached the pinnacle of your spirituality? Is reaching non-duality enlightenment? If so isn't there still a big difference between realizing that intellectually, and realizing it experientially / living in accordance with it?

[@henrywerner4477]

I knew you could only get so far having so many damn judgements, JP carries sooo many judgements in the realm of good and bad

[@jedimasterbeta8727]

This means vid about Conor mcgregor coming soon?

[@artbv417]

Frank, have you tried eating cbd oil?

[@danalyze]

To get the full experience of this video: Put water in mouth and expand cheeks, only breathing through your nose and then swallow the water when frank returns back to street talking You will know why

[@Balldropper]

What do you concretely believe Sam is missing? What does "evolving into the next stage" actually mean? It could mean something, and there could be something there. Or it could just be words words words without anything actually there. What is he missing that you believe some other mystic/meditator/blablabla to have attained? Sounds like literal sophistry, because nothing concrete was said and you could literally have said this about anyone for any reason. "Frank's insistence on working out and staying attached to the physical flesh in order to gain views is preventing him from reaching the next stage." See how I just said a whole bunch of nothing with nothing of substance to back it up? Can you convince me this isn't what you're doing (spouting sophistry that is)? You seem to also be assuming his motives, that he isn't doing it out of pure interest or as a way to get to the truth or to encourage other people to start meditating, making the world a better place etc. I believe his motives to be closer to these than mere monetary gain, and those are very noble motives indeed. Something that should be encouraged. And if he is indeed sacrificing the "next stage" to improve the lives of others, finding out truths about our universe or essentially having others start meditating (and maybe pushing more people to said stage as a result), then that's also a noble sacrifice. Mystics may have been around for a long time, and known a whole ton about their subjective experience, which I don't doubt probably ended up differing from that of "normal" people, with the death of the ego or what have you, but for the vast majority of history they did not bring ordinary people one step closer to what we have today. In speaking about the world we actually inhabit, we have science to thank for our achievements and medical breakthroughs as well as improving the lives of the greatest number of people. Somehow I got the impression that you think people should just cease discussion and leave the world as is, and if not, what problems would you have with Sam articulating his experiences, debating, writing books and spreading his point of view? I really don't see what your criticism actually is, aside from some vague "next stage" not being advanced to as a result of he spends his free time. Why would discussion/debate or thinking/writing books be a hindrance to this but something like lifting not be? I hate to say it Frank, I subbed to you in 2011 or around the /fit/ or misc days, but I feel as though you're just speaking in vague generalities that most people can fit to their own world view or somehow make sense of on their own. Sam's clarity of thought and ability to lucidly express himself is something to praise and try to mimic, not something bad. Additionally, I don't see why you'd pretend like you don't have ideological preference or beliefs. Would you be content living in a world where an elite of 1% ruled everything and 99% were in chains, being tortured day in and day out and having to eat rats to survive? Would you be content living in a world where, using Sam's quote, everyone experienced the greatest possible misery? Back when you were depressed, was that a state you enjoyed or not? I'd wager to say you didn't, so I find it hard to see your objection with guys like Sam and Jordan wanting to move people away from these negative states and that bad end of the spectrum and toward greater ones and as far from the misery side of the spectrum as possible. Entirely laudable goals. I'd also be interested to know how many of your viewers would reach the same conclusion of what you said (i.e. being able to give examples, analogies or anything else showing they do). Also, your subjective experience won't tell you about the state of the world. It wasn't through introspection we figured out the world was round. It wasn't through introspection we cured various diseases, created the internet, figured out about atoms, quarks etc. Introspection will inform you of your subjective experience and the bounds and limits, the hows and whys, but don't pretend like it'll give you super powers and go much beyond that. If I were to do a psychological profiling of you, I'd say you see in them something you feel is lacking in you, be it intelligence or academic achievements or the ability to lucidly express their ideas and have people instantly be receptive to them, and then asserting they're lacking something you by contrast can be assumed to have as a way of evening this divide. I feel as though you're getting closer to that "pretentious monk" you criticized on the train back in 2011 or whenever it was. I know this was a somewhat harsh critique, I know your fans won't like it and I even feel like a dick typing this. Don't take it badly, I actually hold no malice toward you and you shouldn't care about my opinion anyway aside from maybe a single point of reference in how you come off to some. In fact, I'm considering erasing it all but the sunk costs are too large at this point, I don't even remember half of what I've written tbqh. This is just my point of view anyway and I could be entirely wrong, but I just feel the Deepak Chopra vibes coming on too strong at this point. All this said, I do actually like you Frank. No homo.

[@gcg8187]

@Nathan Figueroa lmao it's a good read, waiting for the sequel

[@gcg8187]

The next stage is non-duality right? There u go. It calibrates "higher" than rationality. Not better than, just a different context

[@mikeloloful]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ranEnaWthbOehKs posting this here again.

[@Igelme]

Based on the extreme amount of VR/hologram references he puts out, frank's "next stage" is some sort of consciousness hell. All ideologies are pointless, since they're not reality, all philosophies are pointless, since they're not reality. Reality is counciouness and counciouness is all that there is. Anything you derive from counciouness is not counciouness but your mere opinion on it, so it's pointless to even speak about consciousness. It's a really pretentious and stupid philosophical approach to life.

[@smurf88]

gel mo I don't think it's pointless to talk about it. For most people the process of letting go of duality (which language deeply reinforces) requires that they dive head-first into it first and experience all the suffering that brings. It's sort of like resistance training. The way to get stronger is to put your body through shit and then let it adapt.

[@JamesPhan]

Would be interested to know Fronk's thoughts on money. Please thumbs up so he sees this

[@CyberSamuraii]

You seem to be influenced by leo gura. Is it so?

[@EverTruu]

FRANK YANG I FUCKING LOVE YOU, YOU"RE AN INSPIRATION TO ME

[@johngoldberg1387]

agree about jordaan peterson.maybe his fame prevents him from letting go. he seems to perceive a lot of responsibiliy on his shoulders whichs stop him from transcending. a great man nonetheless

[@OhNoOsho]

Osho interests me a lot too. My channel name is inspired by his name, clearly!!

[@JetBlackThreat]

Deeps brudda

[@skydwellingmusic]

4:03 goals holy shit

[@devinphat9510]

Thank you for stimulating my mind once again. My journey to transcendence started not that long ago but you started my journey frank yang for that I give infinite thanks for starting my process to experience the infinite wisdom the universe, my soul, and the layers of my consciousness has to offer.

[@mezzuna]

JBP fundamentally disagrees with Maslo's hierarchy of needs

[@BenjaminKuruga]

Jordan is an okay motivational speaker. However, when he steps outside of that realm, and tries to comment on other fields, he really shows his limitations.

[@David-oy6ck]

lol

[@JohnSmith-cw1lf]

Frank has jaw striations

[@391C]

How can you Not to click on this..

[@OChopinOP]

Frank Yang is always right

[@seth8089]

tbh ur insistence that the idea of a god is only possible if u think abt morality in a non-dual way is not based in reality. this is however true of the monotheisms. there is a path to sth approximating what we would consider 'good', sth like dharma in hinduism but in general pagan philosophies aren't what we would call 'dual' in their ideas abt morality

[@gej300v]

I fucking love you frank

[@Orgotheonemancult]

Make more videos Frank, more where you're talking about ideas. Start a podcast.

[@holybruno]

you should listen to sam harris’s podcasts. i think you are mistaken with him, he doesn’t care about winning or losing debates. He wants to explore consciousness

[@Joefest99]

What are you talking about!? Jordan Peterson discusses the transcendent often. Rogan is only trying to act impartial and egoless because he doesn't want his channel shut down.

[@frankyang]

He discusses is intellectually, but you can tell he doesn't have much direct experience with It aside from his one "awakening" which he keeps inclining to intellectualize in a dualistic matter. but that's just my opinion.

[@Joefest99]

Frank Yang I do understand what you are saying. Thanks for the reply.

[@Jaylloh]

I think your intuition about the nature of why JP focuses heavily on the intellectual/ practical area of reality, is due to seeing how at face value it maps similarly on what someone would do if they believed that the intellect and the material world are all there is. However, I believe that JP is deeply aware of the infinite and all that we can never possibly understand but he has transcended beyond that through realizing that only by coming back to the material he can actually work on affecting the world and decreasing the unnecessary suffering of humanity. Also I think this sounds similar to the story of the Buddha (which I've heard him describe) who upon achieving nirvana decides its of no use to stay there unless everyone else is able to be there with him, so he gives it up to come back to civilization and help those in need.

[@kinoli6061]

i need to read how the mind works

[@arcticwhite8501]

I respect your thoughts. But as I understand it, what you are describing is (more or less) a sort of disguised nihilism. That there is no good or evil. That there is no ultimate plan. Let me know if I'm wrong.

[@zoorrken]

Well there's not necessarily any ultimate plan? Even if morality isn't objective in the universe itself... that doesn't mean it's not as valuable and meaningful as a construct for humanity?

[@mxtrem3]

4:03 the mind fuck guru

[@slightgrinful]

3:35 is the same face Larry wheels makes

[@rich_jg5705]

Lifting the veil transcends all. Although mastery of the ego and the archetypes is unquestionably useful in playing a role. Someone who can sweep aside harmful thoughts with the same ease as physically cleaning a room to maintain as close to complete control is powerful. The difference between the two; people genuinely touched by God or Brahman built magnificent Cathedrals/Temples to focus society towards a higher goal. Nothing will be erected for modern thinkers apart from spaces dedicated to material worship and political theory. Sadly, most faiths have been degraded to this too. Peterson to an extent, but Harris moreso cheapen their insights by continually dragging what can be divine knowledge down to cold pragmatic political utility. Like the Soviets before them who dismantled the Orthodox church, all power structures are reduced to mere political utility. Peterson at least aims to depoliticize spaces which were historically set aside for the pursuit of enlightenment. That includes spiritual pursuits. I'd rather see Peterson talk to Hindus and Pagans discussing pantheism, reincarnation and the forces of life itself. That would be far more interesting and likely inspire people to step over the current political paradigm.