What Ships We Recommend & Why | Star Citizen

[@Coffaro]

Small feedback: use jpg's for the ships so newbies can follow you easily.

[@robdfar]

or learn the game and ships.

[@Coffaro]

@@robdfar No. this video is for new people. Veterans already know this information. Nice try troll.

[@inforunners]

Your right, but effort... Exe

[@Ducaso]

Great idea

[@piribusignitus1520]

Regarding the Origin "issue" i believe the 600ie will be awesome after the rework.

[@inforunners]

Fingers Crossed. Exe

[@Ychos027]

totally agree, I picked it as my daily driver already before the rework was announced mainly because I'd like to have the option to do exploration alone (with NPC crew) and the 600i seems more fun than the Carrack, having three massive guns on the hands of the pilot, but now that they announced it will get a med bay, a larger cargo and more unspecified goodies I really can't wait to see it. I think the idea behind it would be to make it a competitor to the Carrack for those people who want to be able to do the same by soloing a ship and do not necessarily want to go the full "pathfinder-deep-space-exploration" route. It will obviously not be as capable as the Carrack, but should still be plenty capable for "lighter" exploration.

[@piribusignitus1520]

@@Ychos027 I actually picked it up after the announcement. It is a nice ship without the rework but without it i probably wouldn't have bought it.

[@Ychos027]

@@piribusignitus1520 yeah I get the point of those who wouldn't have picked it without the rework, especially after people point out the glaring and very real problems with the current version and its lack of features, the main reason why I could gloss over them in this current iteration is that it's simply the ship with the highest firepower at the hands of the pilot, and for me the ability to be soloable is essential for a daily driver :D

[@Kyrra_Storm]

This is basically the fleet I’ve been working on building minus the Orion. I like the idea of getting big ships and working your way down

[@matthewpena3932]

This really cleared up for me. I made the comment on one of the QnAs about you all always pushing the big ships and not getting clear reasoning. I do feel you did a good job hear clearing this up.

[@Capt_Shaun_Solo]

Excellent job explaining the value proposition of certain ships over others! You guys are, hands down, the best source of content for all things ship/hangar related! I always recommend your videos to people looking to start building their fleets. Keep up the great work!

[@inforunners]

Thanks very much for the kind words Shaun, appreciate it. Exe

[@Striggly]

Surprised none of the bigger hull series were recommended, those could go up in price a good amount.

[@rayjay8148]

Your "Fix my Fleet" series has always been great. Keep up the good work.

[@inforunners]

Thanks Ray. Exe

[@jedi_drifter2988]

IMO the Starfarer is a money maker at $300. - $340. is a diamond in the rough ATM. Once the rework happens on it, the price will jump considerably. It might even be able to refine quantainium in the end. As it sits now it will hold near 300 SCU cargo W/out external containers, can haul vehicles, has jump seats and the Gemini has improved armor, shields, weapons and more powerful engines. I will be watching the 600i explorer version closely for news on it's rework as well.

[@inforunners]

Dont disagree, just have to keep in mind the earn down economics. I personally have a starfarer and I do like it alot, that said I think its going to be ccu'ed to whatever the capital gas miner is simply because of the earn down economy. Exe

[@Striggly]

Thanks heaps for this video. I literally join the discord 5 days ago to figure out what ships were best value for money, then you released this video, good timing.

[@naemek9675]

Oh interesting episode and a 2nd part is coming as well? Can't wait. Also you seem really happy Exe.

[@zenairzulu1378]

This was really interesting way to think about the fleet Management. This is the real game the development alpha phase in some ways I don't think the full release of the Star citizen is going to be as fun to watch as the alpha phase.

[@jvoodoochild2755]

Thank you for mentioning a reasonable goal of 50% savings by ccu chaining. Not everyone has a mid tier referral ship or got in on a ship that has jumped in price already.

[@Rashuge]

Inforunners "Brief" overview 50minutes later LOL, Great content as usual

[@inforunners]

We tried... Exe

[@justjim9763]

So, I agree crucible will be a great ship to have. That being said I always worry about ships that are capital class. Mainly due to the ships requiring so much crew to actually be run. I think generally people will have 3 - 6 people they play with consistently (assuming they don’t play solo) which makes ships like the indris / endeavor more like a traditional mmo raid. That sounds like way more work then fun. Also, it means your working with peoples schedules and organizing larger groups of people (a big pain in the butt). I also think the 600i will get a lot of improvement to make it at the very least a better value proposition. That’s just my 2 cents.

[@inforunners]

Hope your right on the 600i. I do think raids in other games is how you need to look at it, with one exception. They limit the number of times per week you can raid in most mmo's. Dont see that happening here. Plus add the rating system for playing with randoms & Ai. I think we need to look at all the systems they are building they are working to change to reliance on just people you know so much. Hope it works out, but worse case scenario is what you describe. Fingers Crossed. Exe

[@jonathantismo3431]

Hahaha, you guys listed the fleet that I've been building for almost 2 years now via the CCU long-game, to think that I just started SC in Nov IAE 2020 Free Fly and started my fleet Feb 2021. To be precise that list minus the 2 unannounced are what I have in my Fleet as the Main Necessities (or my minimum target fleet), there are 3 additional ones (but I consider those as optionals), an extra Endeavor (Hope configuration, while the Endeavor in my Main fleet is half Discovery and half Olympic configuration), plus (against your advise) 2 Solo ships, Prospector and Expanse, in case on "Game Release" It might be more efficient to initially earn money using solo ships first to pay fees, stock up on supplies and to crew those bigger ships, rather than to loan the staring funds via an in game bank or something. Basically, just in case it was just so inefficient or too costly, or too rare to find big profit mission or opportunities to take any of the big ships out if only smaller missions or smaller opportunities are available. Of course things could change, and since all my CCUs are un-applied and I still have gaps to fill, if it truly becomes moot to keep the 2 Solo Ships nor the extra endeavor, they arr cheap enough that I could easily melt them to fill the gaps or upgrade from them to one of the bigger ones in my main Fleet. Plus since I am playing the CCU long game, I expect those CCUs to sit in my hangar for really long time, maybe even after that ship releases (in case i eventually didn't really like the ship or something better but cheaper comes), that along with the wipes could get so frustrating.... so that I don't get too grumpy for having to wait on those CCUs I plan to at a minimum get a Prospector (and maybe the expanse, once flight ready) with not so much doing the CCU long game, but much shorter. Another exception is the Merchantman, I might actually apply it before its release, as I am very close to filling it all up, current spend $75, total current savings $425, I'm just $100 remaining (including the $65 LTI Token in buy back, and $35 total in gaps), second reason the prospector (or hoping maybe the expanse too) might fit in its hangar, so i don't have to wait for long claim times, if I go mining and logged off on a different station and logged back on but wanna do cargo, third reason it would be really nice to have a medical bed to respawn to again on a game that is still in Alpha.

[@Ychos027]

I think buying an Endeavor without modules is also a great idea in terms of gameplay goals. I got a mostly industrial fleet, with Reclaimer, Crucible and BMM, co do the whole Salvage/Repair/Resell gameplay loop, plus a 600i as a daily driver (mainly because I'd rather do exploration solo using NPCs for crew and in case I need to defend myself having weapons in the hands of the pilot would make it more fun than using a Carrack imo.....FIGHT ME! :D) and a few other small things I got just because I like them, but the main goal I'll have at the start will be precisely to use my industrial ship to turn my Base-Endeavor operational by earning the modules in-game, instead of having everything already set and ready to go but without any specific goal in mind.

[@ColMortimer50]

Thanks for the great content as always! I wish I had found you guys earlier than last year as I had no idea about the CCU game until after I had made some purchases. Your guides did help me get a Perseus at 1/2 price during IAE last year so I was pretty happy with that for a first attempt.

[@RetinaBurner]

Seems Al's camera has caught Exe's camera bug. ;) Nice job, guys. :)

[@algared6131]

Sad but yes, that is what I was thinking.

[@inforunners]

Always my fault! Exe

[@RetinaBurner]

@@inforunners - Nope, just your camera's fault ;)

[@Pharesm]

I'm still trying to figure out if I can fit hangar, telescope and 2 farming units on it!

[@aimlis]

This was a great idea for a video and an interesting listen. While your advice mightn't be dictates it is very useful in leading people to find their own 'must haves'.

[@albortiiemango4094]

Something to consider for the earn down thought process is the operating cost of some of these larger ships, the reclaimer for example would require several people to operate at peak effectiveness and you would have to pay those people. It is still better than the alternative but it is something to keep in mind.

[@albortiiemango4094]

Also thought of another thing relating to cargo specifically, it requires a lot of money to fill a larger cargo ship for trading, worthwhile runs will cost you from 80-500k to fill it

[@vital-wyn1310]

@@albortiiemango4094 very similar to my take, as far as cargo my guess is eventually you will be able to run loads for companies/stations/cities/outposts but even there what will the entry level ones pay compared to your operating cost?

[@gyratingwolpertiger6851]

That's something that people always seem to forget. Had to make the case to a mate yesterday on the Valk vs Cutlass along those lines. Outside of carrying rover and bikes or more bikes you need 50% more crew to have as many guns and that's ignoring missiles or the runnings costs of the bigger ship.

[@gyratingwolpertiger6851]

@@albortiiemango4094 Plus fuel costs. Crusader ships hoe through fuel

[@vital-wyn1310]

@@gyratingwolpertiger6851 definitely, for the money you could have a cutlass Black and a Scorpious with way more firepower. The Valkyrie is a cool ship but will definitely need some work before I would pick it over the cutty anytime soon. Let’s not forget the Caterpillar either, better shields, modular, plenty of firepower and likely will be able to hold a large number of troops by release. (Cheaper too)

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

18:50 if you want to skip forward to see the ships they recommend

[@NorseNovaYT]

After watching a few Fix My Fleets, I've decided to turn my Perseus and most of my small ships into an Endeavor and Orion this coming IAE. Definitely looking forward to this fall

[@Werepie]

How'd that work out for you?

[@matsgandersson3624]

I agree to the ship you picked but they need big crew to operate. If iam solo you think these ships will be good?

[@algared6131]

I think some will be better than others. Life will certainly be harder or more frustrating taking a multicrew ship solo. A bit like the Mole, you can use it solo but it involves a lot of seat swapping and isn’t very efficient.

[@matsgandersson3624]

@@algared6131 Yes think thats they way to go then, seat swapping or get some npc doing most important tasks.

[@algared6131]

@@matsgandersson3624 if someone knows they will play with 2 or 3 mates if they each have an NPC then there are 6-8 crew on the ship of which 50% are players. For those folk that does I think put every ship we recommend within reach as playable given that they generally have crew allocations of 4-8. Polaris being the exception with 6-14.

[@Embarkation1]

Origin - Think the phrase “Style over substance” is a good one.

[@applecrow8]

I think Origin needs to continue with the variants in larger series. the 400i is a master of none which could have 425 bounty hunter, 450 regatta racer, 415 explorer etc. The 600i having more than just touring and exploration or specialized hauling would be great and as much as yall love to mock the 890 imagine if there were 825 patrol boats, an 815 science/hospital, etc.

[@algared6131]

I can I have since the earliest days thought the 600i would make a great private hospital.

[@_neuromanser_]

It's incredible, I just realized that I enjoy this theory-crafting more than the actual game.

[@HDA_III]

lol k

[@HDA_III]

Is there a dollar to uec chart we could look at? Of all ships?

[@del2370]

I wanted the ships, I got the ships, and then I had too many ships. ;)

[@naemek9675]

same

[@olli9876]

I know the feeling

[@algared6131]

I know that feeling as well.

[@brandofriva]

Great info as always. Suggestion, instead of saying "sell your fighters" or "we don't recommend ships under $200" is recommended rather using a phrase similar to "if you are planning on spending more than $200 on backing we don't recommend ships under $250 unless you use/love them" or something similar. One liner that summarizes the recommendation to avoid confusion. For anyone backing with under $200 go nuts.

[@inforunners]

We have thought about that alot but under $250 tends to cover the bill, there are only 1 or 2 ships that break that mold. For example the Retailiator Base. Exe

[@brandofriva]

@@inforunners ye agreed fully on the amount (was replying while doing other stuff).

[@jeanwinter5275]

I never planned putting in as much as I did. Every time it was like buying myself a Birthday gift ship (here since 2015) or just getting a warbond-ccu. Grey market trading also did its part. It accumulates

[@FeathersMcClaw]

I agree with the earn down approach completely, except that I think everyone needs at least one small ship. We don’t know how expensive large ships will be to run. If someone only has large ships, it might not be economically viable to use them until they earn enough to buy a smaller ship. It’s good to have something on hand otherwise you’re stuck borrowing or ride sharing until you make enough to get something practical on a regular basis. The current economy in the game is a poor reference point for how much things will cost. Edit: [grammar]

[@LAZZRIS]

Nice video I would like to hear more about unreleased ships

[@Accuracy158]

The carrack earned that guy all those ships? What do you do with the carrack currently in game when there's no exploration? Trading I guess... It doesn't really have pilot controlled guns for bounties and isn't really something you want to hull a ROC around in for mining.

[@justinburrough6400]

Great content as always, got the gist of your logic, but this explained it really well. I got the nautilus as I just really like the ship and concept, but am wondering whether to just get the industrial capitals instead and earn it in game instead, you mentioned it was an outlier though, decisions decisions.

[@icedhb7166]

once again guys good show, thank you

[@valhallasashes4354]

I pretty much agree with all of your recommendations. I even agree with your decision not to put the Perseus on the list for the same reasons you gave (even if I do think the Perseus is often both overpriced for what it offers and undervalued by the community for what it is.). The only ship you didn't include that I would've included is the Anvil Liberator. When the Liberator was first announced, I was really hard on it. Too hard. I liked the aesthetic (reminded me of that old school Battlestar Galactica style of ship design), but I just didn't really see the benefit of a purely move your ships from this planet to that planet sales pitch that everyone was talking about at the time. And I wasn't about to buy one just so I could have a ship that could transport my Nova. What I figured out later was that I seriously ignored a significant gameplay benefit that I had been looking for, for years. And that was if I wanted to go on a small industrial run, either solo or with a friend or two, how do I bring everything I would need for the full industrial loop. The Idris and Kraken are way out of my price range. The Polaris can only hold one ship. And at bare minimum, I would need to move a Prospector, Expanse and Cargo ship with me and "maybe" one other person. That's when I finally remembered the Liberator and gave it another look. Turns out the Liberator is surprisingly, perfectly suited to that task. In fact, after checking dimensions, scales and taking everything "possible" into account (all subject to change obviously), it looks like you could literally fit a Prospector, Expanse and Apollo on the top deck of the ship. And the vehicle bay is big enough to hold a Gladius and even another Prospector. That means even if you only took the Prospector and Expanse on the Liberator, you would have everything you need (Mining, Refining + generous 400 SCU cargo on Liberator) to go on an industrial run solo if you wanted to. Add an Apollo and you can add medical capacity and possibly even respawn ability to your Liberator for when you're on a deep space run and are either attacked or have an industrial accident (Quantainium). And you can swap roles out easily. Swap out the Prospector for a Vulture for deep space solo salvaging without having to worry about leaving valuable salvage behind due to Vultures small cargo bay. I mean really, the Liberator's cargo bay is actually surprisingly good, only being 56SCU less than a Carrack and that's not even considering additional SCU space on landed ships. Plus the Liberator is able to do all of this, while only requiring a crew count of one to two people to operate. One of the lowest crew requirements of any ship in this size class. Taking everything into account, I have to say that my initial impressions of the Liberator were completely wrong. Used purely as a hauler, the Liberator doesn't offer much. But when used by a solo player or even a very small group of a couple players as an extension to a small industrial operation, the Liberator could (with the right loadout) be absolutely invaluable to just about any long range operation. To the point where I would almost call it a must buy for anyone looking to do play more than one step in an industrial gameplay loop. I still think the Liberator is a little over-priced though. But if you can CCU chain about 100-175 bucks off the price of it, I would say it might be worth the investment for fair number of people.

[@inforunners]

The liberator is strangely a bit niche but it a weird way. Its flexible but large but with small crew. Can do cargo, ship & vehicle transport. But like we also sadly it relies heavily on others to make money or its a sink. Which took it off the list. Its to a bad ship just not economically sound like the others on this list. The Polaris is simmilar the only reason its on the list its one of the few combat ships the are cheaper than they should be. I see the Liberator as a mini Kraken and thats a good place to be. Exe

[@valhallasashes4354]

@@inforunners I agree. Comparing a Liberator earning potential to an Orion and there just is no comparison. I was thinking more from a utilitarian point of view there. The options it opens up to the player that operates it that no other ship affords. Such as if you're a solo player and you go mining, you can basically only bring a prospector or a mole and that's it... and your restricted by how far you can go out from civilization due to the their fuel range. And especially if you want to Quant mine. But put that prospector on the Liberator along with an expanse and you can go into deep space far away from the heavily trafficked mining locations. Mine with prospector, then refine the load on the expanse then dump it on the Liberator then repeat the process again without having to return to port until you fill the Liberator. Per trip, that means the Liberator has the potential to exponentially increase your earnings significantly. Plus the aforementioned salvage use when used in conjunction with the Vulture. It's the difference between only hull scraping and small components vs being able to also take, say S6+ guns off a derelict. Not that I'm saying you should ever adopt such an option over a Reclaimer. Especially given the Reclaimer's price compared to just a Liberator on it's own. The Reclaimer and Orion are bargains by comparison, but they are purely multiplayer ships. The Liberator's value is in it's ability to afford you options that you otherwise wouldn't have. As for the Polaris, yeah that ship is an absolute bargain compared to other ships in its price range. Especially compared to the Odyssey. The Odyssey has no business being $700. Not compared to the Carrack and certainly not compared to the Polaris. The Polaris and the BMM are the two ships I'm struggling the most to guess where their final prices will land, but I'm certain both will increase further. The BMM will at the very least hit 750$ and even likely higher. But I don't think the BMM will break the $1K barrier. It might just due to alien tax, but I think CIG is and should try to avoid workhorse ships costing more than 1K. Although if I had to pick one workhorse ship I would expect to possibly break the $1K barrier by the time it releases, my money would be on the Orion. The Polaris is harder to judge because it started at the 750 mark and is widely regarded as a bargain. I don't want to assume it will break the $1K barrier but I think its possible due to the higher price combat ships tend to land. Especially if you consider the Polaris occupying the spot the Idris was originally intended to fill.

[@LAZZRIS]

Always love watching these ship talk videos.

[@halan236]

Is it fair to use $ to aUEC ratios today when we don't know what the UEC will be at launch?

[@BuckeyeChris]

I like the earn down model and it makes a lot of sense to me, but I’m not sure it’s feasible if everyone starts with bigger ships which will need many people to crew them once engineering comes online. It’ll be a ton of people that need crew but don’t want to crew other peoples ships

[@deivoc2210]

Love your contents gents, keep it up

[@Shaderox]

40:24 Oof on the double typo

[@algared6131]

Oof indeed I didn’t even notice it until you pointed it out. The first was the typo the second was a cut and paste. None the less oof.

[@FearLegion-co8gg]

Rn i think my list would be something like this for "must have" ships depending on price scaling.. *pre watching the video so its just my own thoughts* Starter: Has to be the cutter, perhaps the c8r. The Avenger Titan is solid too. Next would be a cutty black, i cant really think of a ship in that price range that will do everything it can. After id say either a prospector or a taurus. The taurus is such a good ship, basically functions as a "better" cutty black that can even take on ERTs solo if needed, plus good cargo space. Prospector if you like mining ofc. Then it starts to get pretty niche to what sort of gameplay you like, but shoutouts to the Andromeda, Corsair, and MSR. MSR is generally less useful than the prior two, but its a nice ship. Honorable mentions here, The C2 or caterpillar for cargo hauling. With salvage, the reclaimer may be a keeper too. Now for the big buyers... Really nothing compares to the Carrack. It even comes with a "free" pisces and an ursa rover. The carrack can do everything, and is overall probably the "best" all around ship in the game. I dont recommend buying combat ships like the arrow or gladius etc, because they are actually cheap in game, and way too niche in gameplay for their price tags.. if you want to do dogfighting etc, just buy it in game.

[@JamiesPaige]

Thanks again as always info runners

[@zorikh779]

What about the RSI Galaxy?

[@fozzi2713]

I appreciate all the info you put out! However, it's consistently very quiet. Is there any chance you can boost your volume during recording in the future by about 5-7db if my VU meter is correct?

[@inforunners]

Ill try but no promises as its balanced and somethings are maxed. Exe

[@fozzi2713]

Appreciate the response! If it's not possible I'll just continue to remember to turn my audio way down after finishing one of your vids :) o7

[@SWBloodClaw]

Swap the reclaimer for a Hull d and your top 5 is my fleet. A few more ccu's and it will be done

[@jvoodoochild2755]

I’ve been pondering if there is an ideal number of ships in a multi ship fleet. 1. one Daily Driver, and unlike the IR vid awhile back, I define soloable or small crew, multi-role ships as possible DDers, such as MSR, Connies, Cat, and more under $250 2. one Money maker: Orion, Reclaimer, unannounced X, but only one as it could earn sideways the others as effectively as down which these are rightfully praised for. 3. one Perfect ship (according to you): BMM?, Carrack?, Perseus? whatever 4. one Org Support mid sized crew like the Crucible, Starfarer, Nautilus, Hammerhead, Hercs, Hulls, and others 5. one limited or high crew Org ship: Hope, Kraken, Pioneer, Idris, Javelin, and the like. Ones budget determines how far down the list they get, anything beyond these categories I see as redundant which is less valuable. Crewing ships, I would say, is more valuable than getting more ships. If pledging or collecting is important and in the budget, why not dip below the $250, as you already have the bases covered?

[@Dee77777]

Great video guys. Looking very much forward to the promised "8bit-Al" emoji. o7

[@wilhellandmagiocrity3642]

I am thinking there has to be a bigger ship than the Crucible coming at some point. It is the only one I can't get behind that you guys are saying because of that. This information though is spot on in principle, have advocated to my friends for ages, if you're going to sink money into the game buy big ships not small and buy money makers.

[@ElCapiton201]

So what ship would you recommend around the 350-450 price point?

[@U7f76Sevens]

Might look at doing a fix my fleet with you guys at some point!

[@MajorShy]

I didn't finish the video yet, but if I like dropships and bringing the vehicles to the battlefield what should I get like the C2 is the only that can transport Spartan Atlas. And for medical gameplay should I go directly to an Apollo? Lol

[@ekgnomad1496]

My fleet- merchant man ,Carrack ,Polaris ,Ralien, Corsair,Hull.A,Vulture, Nomad ,Arrow ,buccaneer ,, My grind and fly fleet

[@sly567]

This has been great information. I have started to consolidated from 7 ships smaller ships to 2 large ship The BMM and The Genius Star Liner which is the 2 industries I'm focusing on. Quick question has there been any talk about a mid sized salvage ship which is a path I'm considering. It seems to be the 1 variant missing.

[@swanstudios2018]

Thanks! Love your shows.

[@inforunners]

Algared loves you too. Exe

[@g8trdone]

Love y'alls content! What sorts of missions do you see big ships doing that a smaller version couldn't do? I'm thinking of the carrack as the end game jack of all trades.

[@inforunners]

If you want a broad overview really its the team work and working together in close proximity. Yes you can get multiple smaller craft doing it together but if your on the same ship you doing different task but together and getting bigger rewards for doing so. Exe

[@gyratingwolpertiger6851]

@@inforunners Plus it's a but ton easier to coordinate one medium or large ship than a whole bunch of smaller ships.

[@jockcop4205]

Great video as always guys. Quick question. Given how many ships are in it that you recommend here, what do you guys think of the company pack?

[@commanderserviland1713]

Hi guys,this is a subject i have heard you dicuss many times. All i would like to say is please consider the guy who does not want to splash huge ammounts of real money, and in fact relishes the idea of taking his starter profession ship and grinding his way upwards to his dream end game vessel. Its this very progression that forms the gameplay of star citizen for him. Suppose he was to purchase all the endgame ships he desired. Then on day one release he realised there was nothing to progress to and ultimately became bored very quickly for this reason. I am not this person, but I do thinkit is a legitimate argument against making these large investments & not something I have heard you mention to my knowledge.

[@algared6131]

We have never said that is a bad proposition. In fact having just a single ship and working up could be fun. However, most folk who talk to us have at least a dozen ships and usually say I want the best bang for my buck but have mostly fighters and say they want a larger ship. Thanks for your comment and feedback.

[@KodiakGaming]

Endeavor is a great ship, it’s gonna be a nightmare to build but it’ll be so awesome when it comes out.

[@buckytin7393]

It also has Starfarer and Cutty Red as loaners, which are two amazing ships for regular use in the game today.

[@KodiakGaming]

@@buckytin7393 yep! One of the reasons I fully applied the ccu chain to it. Well worth having it sitting around the hanger.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

I think the Cutty Black is THE ship. If anything scales better than the Cutty it is good value for money. The Carrack is the price of 6 Cutlasses, but provides more value than 6 Cutlasses.

[@KevinPaulWood]

I think anyone should have a fast respawn timer ship at live. especially one you can spawn at an outpost. Real life saver. I also think in game there will be a need to buy small ships and scatter them across the verse so you have something "nearby" wherever that may be. But earning those from large ships makes a lot of sense. The final unknown that will have a bearing though is just how expensive will it be to run I am thinking especially something like a Polaris, etc. The likely best advice is find a Profession and grab a mid range in that, say a Mole or Reclaimer etc, giving you a way to earn quick money to get the Orion's running costs in the bank. If you are a Bounty hunter a fighter with some range and punch would be preferable to a frigate or whatever to get your certs done. In other words, sell your small ships yes, but save at least 1 in the profession you like to run from day 1.

[@inforunners]

Can earn one super quick from top down economics. Exe

[@rolanders7553]

Odessy is $700? Great video

[@Joshlamie88]

Great points.

[@Ghazlawl]

THE ALGARED-ITHM MUST BE FED.

[@astrogumbie2399]

LOL won't be a Surprise nothing Ironic about that lol. Crucible! Ya sorry about the BMM Chat lol. I think you guys might have overlooked a ship which a lot of people do which is the Genesis Starliner and the Orion has its own Refinery this is why it makes it so valuable fill those saddle bags. Unless I missed you guys saying something about these things.

[@oldmanzim]

Great show!

[@algared6131]

Thanks Zim, much appreciated and of course when folk feed the algorithm it makes me happy. 😀

[@oldmanzim]

@@algared6131 Just doing my part! :)

[@rooster1012]

No large cargo ships like the Hull D?

[@vital-wyn1310]

My take has always been what can you do “day 1” with a ship in game. The Hull series can net a massive gain for one mission but what options will you have at the start? Maybe the mission is small with a 5/10/20k payout but it costs 50k in fuel? All speculation but until we know more about the cost to run big ships I’m keeping some of my smaller ships.

[@inforunners]

Its called the Merchantman...shes grown alot... Exe

[@antoniovinciguerra8982]

Get well soon, Exe!!

[@inforunners]

Got 2 more weeks they tell me. Exe

[@Sryd770]

Small feedback: pls put timestamps in video description for each ship/topic. pls 🥲

[@zpilot4523]

I'm now of the belief that you should get your starter, maybe one other pledge then spend any spare "citizen" money on PC accessories. Things like sticks and eye tracker make EVERY ship better and for the price seem like more use than say an aquilla

[@Spelljammer1]

What is going on with your audio lately, Exe? The recording is about half as loud as the KZbin commercials, which means that when we crank it up to hear what you are saying, the ads massacre us. :)

[@fishbaitx]

You harp on how great the polaris is but have you considered crew to run these ships? How many people do you know that could reliably get 15 to 20 plus people together to fully run a polaris? Whereas a nautilus has great armor Bonkers shield redundancy 2 size 7 guns which are enough to hammer down a cap ship, and requires less crew Each crew npc or no means costs so more crew eats down that buy down money.

[@algared6131]

Polaris crew is currently listed as 6-14 on the matrix. Yes, we do consider crew size and play style. If we didn’t we’d just post one fleet and say right there you go. It is always more nuanced than that.

[@superking4623]

I think as far as origin goes you arent taking into account passenger transport. high end customers will not want to ride in anything but luxury

[@endrshdw]

Great job love your fmf show

[@algared6131]

Thanks EndrShdw.

[@TheCrash1983]

have you done a video for good ships for solo players, I'm not a member of an org and will most likely only play with a friend or two on weekends. my fleet is a redeemer, Vulture and gladius all LTI don't mind melting them all. my hope was AI blades would make the redeemer work for a solo player. any advice would be a help thank you.

[@inforunners]

We may take a look at this ill add it to our list. Exe

[@TheCrash1983]

@@inforunners if u want a solo player to have for the video I will happily help, thanks for writing back to me

[@inforunners]

@@TheCrash1983 Anytime. Exe

[@Remixersoloman]

Stop giving this company money

[@LunarLizard]

What they need to do with ship packs is allow us to sell individual ships out of the packs for store credit instead of being forced to either keep them or upgrade them

[@joonyoungk]

I mean with the CCUs generally available they are a bad deal. Just don’t get the packs.

[@inforunners]

Yeah spliting packs would fix the main problems with them but also with Warbond CCU's they are no longer the cheapest option. Exe

[@mitch6651]

I just don’t see them making it viable to run these giant ships without a decent sized crew. Otherwise eventually everyone is just going to be driving capital ships around. I think picking the right ship will depend on the type of gameplay you want. If you want to manage 10+ people crewing your ship then for sure go big. But ships like the MSR appeal to me because I only want to play consistently with a couple of friends, and with the MSR being fast at least you can attempt to run away from large zergs. Also people likening ships like the 600i and Corsair for pilot controlled guns are dreaming. You won’t get your nose on lighter fighters to be able to hit them, turret guns on larger ships will be the most viable defence to track smaller more nimble ships.

[@ocean911]

Good show

[@algared6131]

Thanks for the feedback and for feeding the algorithm.

[@jvoodoochild2755]

Unannounced Refinery? The Orion has its own refinery, so I don’t see the hole for a cap refiner to fill. Unannounced Gas Miner? The Starfarer, could it be the large refinery and gas miner in the 9-ships-you-never-knew? The Starfarer refuels a wing of fighters, so there is a need for a capital ship refueler. Would that ship harvest, refine, and fuel like the Starfarer? Would that and a Argo refiner partner for the Mole complete the 4 Refining ships? Would an unannounced cap refueler complete the four gas miners along side the Starfarer, DUR, and 100s?

[@inforunners]

Take a look at this episode Voodoo it goes into more details. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ep_GY5mqpbV7m7c Exe

[@jvoodoochild2755]

@@inforunners im rewatching it now and unlike before will comment there my thoughts

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

You are High ON Copium is you really believe the Endeavor is going to grow to 4X the Original size, they are not going to give Players a ship that the same size or bigger then a Bengal Carrier. The Javelin is currently the biggest ship players will be able to own for now, so expect the Endeavor to be at least around that Big if That. Look at the Galaxy's medical module that thing has 6 Medical bed and actually has room for more so double or triple that for the Endeavor and that probably about as much room as it needs since the rooms can go up and down not just the 1 floor the Galaxy has.

[@cmdrmaskime]

For the algorithm

[@sigilofgremory9671]

I like alien ships

[@prairiescion1614]

Why poor audio?

[@Striggly]

If you post new video links on twitter im happy to retweet them..

[@ShadowGirl-]

Love "Unnounced" ships 👍

[@inforunners]

If you read up as much as I know you do, as we do. You can tell these are coming. Exe

[@ShadowGirl-]

@@inforunners Was just making a joke about the spelling of "Unannounced" ;)

[@TheWasd1234]

Day 727 of waiting for Consolidated Outland connie-competitor ship

[@algared6131]

Only day 727? I think I could live without a Consolidated Connie competitor. Although it would likely be a closer competitor than the MSR which dwarfs it or the behemoth 600i which Origin hinted was a Connie competitor.

[@KokaneePacificRailway]

1st 🤪

[@demonicsquid7217]

Have you guys ever talked about game packages? Would be interesting to hear your views on them, both the packages available to regulars and for us concierge people. For example, how useful is an Inceptor Pack given it has 18 lowish value ships with LTI (not that it's hugely important of course) and a bunch of other flairs. Is that better than the Company Pack, or a Convoy Pack? Or are packs themselves just a bad idea as the inconvenience outweighs the savings?

[@jeanwinter5275]

Both Inceptor Pack and Convoy pack make you spend another load of cash on upgrades, as most of their content is not worth keeping. Company Pack, on the other hand, has only 5 ships, from which 3 are good money-makers, plus you have a "free" Starfarer and a Crucible for an Org. The Pack costs 1700usd, whereas all the ships combined are at 2025usd - basically a free Starfarer (300usd). You can upgrade it to Hull-C for 50 bucks (yet another best money-maker)

[@inforunners]

In short over time they are getting worse. They lock you in and are hard for you to move around within the pack. Next week show if we do it next week will dive a little into this. Exe