I Was Wrong About This Ship... | Star Citizen

[@kellym3610]

I checked the melt value of mine... $315, so I did pretty good. I’d like them to have a flak ammo type for the size 7s to shoot at fighters.

[@kallistnemain2343]

Same here. Zero cost Crucible to Carrack upgrade?

[@algared6131]

@@fishbaitx they did but there are a few still in existence.

[@Apav1x]

@@fishbaitx They failed big time because their script started deleting paid CCUs from people's hangars as well and they had to stop halfway into it. They restored those paid CCUs but never resumed the process. I wanted to keep buying warbond CCUs over the next few fews so I could get even bigger discounts, but I was paranoid that they'll finish the job unannounced one day and I figured the discounts I had were good enough. Ended up using most of them last year for a $290 Orion, $290 Perseus, $305 Polaris and a $310 A2, but I still have a few $0 CCUs left that I'll risk waiting to buy more warbond CCUs for. If they don't delete them, at the rate the Merchantman keeps going up this Blade to Merchantman $0 CCU I have is going to be huge.

[@luistigerfox]

tbh flak cannons are something we should see on ships at a size 4 or 5 imo as well. Like, the option of a flak hammerhead would be really nice.

[@Steinmannen]

These are the kind of episodes I really like, proper gameplay speculation and scenarios.

[@flinx58]

@21:00 - the idea that CIG is "giving us options..." is frankly retardedly ludicris in and of itself. They are hampering choices at every turn to thr point where it literally shows up in their design philosophy for every ship. They literally can not make a ship good to even decent at its job without introducing a host of bad design ideas that wouldn't make it past OHSA, let alone military requirements. And while I agree that "modern navy/submarines do not work this way..." is a valid point, if you think for one moment that they wouldn't want a closet sized magic medical bed on board, I have an uncharted vibrant new planet to sell you in Pyro! Tier 1 beds are useful. As well as one of the very ans varried resource sinks that CIG wants to bog you down with. If you need something more to heal yourself with then yeah either a medical ship or station. Though I don't think this ship NEEDS one, I DO think it's got poor design choices certainly.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

IMO there will be different ammo types, armor piercing, smoke, flack or explosive, thermite/incendiary rounds etc. like a field artillery cannon. I do not believe there will be lazer rounds to change it from ballistic cannons. Also many forget that the Perseus has VTOL so as a gunship, it can be a ground pounder.

[@strongback6550]

My main worry is that the ship is directly bound to ballistic cannon balance

[@FoxVelox222]

Agreed, it's far fetched to think lasers will be an option for a ballistic cannon. No chance in my opinion. Entirely different concept. Lasers charge ammo and don't have a cartridge style load.

[@mondlypartagejeux1557]

A2 is a lot better to ground pounding.

[@Henry-937]

As a new citizen (refugee from ED that just jumped in SC last week), I appreciate your content. I feel like your channel has really helped me catch up to others in the verse. o7 #Jaden

[@MonteKristof]

Welcome to the Verse, citizen!

[@Henry-937]

@@MonteKristof Thanks

[@algared6131]

Glad Inforunners has been able to help

[@Henry-937]

👍🏻

[@cody5602]

For the money, upgrade the size 3 turrets to size 4 point defense. Then add a 3rd medium computer and a 3rd shield generator.

[@graveperil2169]

I like these changes one of the key selling points of this ship was the small crew scaling it up to be the size and crew of the Polaris would move it to large group ship while this is a small group ship

[@scottyrye]

The size 3 turrets already are point defense. Point defense come with their own onboard computers.

[@hollywoodguy70]

In my mind, the Perseus feels like it should fit into the niche of a classic destroyer. If it had really strong active scanners to reveal stealth aircraft and mines, it'd be the perfect heavy escort through hot territory. It's also large enough to eclipse a decent size squadron of fighter support.

[@phillipnunya6793]

The armor is probably going to be just as important as the guns on this ship, and yet it was barely considered. I chose this over a Polaris because I will probably be able to run it alone with a few AI crew. It is something I can bring to a fleet fight or run solo as a general combat ship for tough missions. It will be tanky as hell. Armor is supposed to pretty much ignore damage below a set threshold (whatever it may be for that armor) as well, and I doubt a few fighters will be packing enough damage potential to seriously threaten this ship. When they say "fighter swarm", I'm thinking four or five heavy fighters with the biggest guns possible or fighter bombers carrying torps. Besides, this is evident in the balance pass seen in the PTU. You can't roll up on a big tanky ship in a couple of fighters and expect to do much damage. Also, I'm pretty sure there will be large stealth parts in the future. The Perseus has a lot of armor, so putting stealth shields on it isn't the end of the world for its defenses. It uses ballistic guns, which are stealthier than energy guns. It also won't need tons of energy to run ballistics and armor, so I am pretty sure it could run all stealth. A stealthy Perseus would make for a great sniper ship, and most fighters wouldn't be able to see it while inside the range of the guns.

[@tycondero1647]

I think that the Perseus price can and will be justified eventually. It sits too close to the Polaris, but people tend to forget that the Polaris has a lot more maintenance and operating costs than the Perseus will. Also the Polaris has light armor to keep it low weight. Pretty sure that the armor alone makes up for at least 100-150 dollars in the final price. Look at the C2 and M2 Hercules. M2 is armored a thus costs a lot more. Armor will be an attribute to a ship that probably cannot easily be changed, unlike guns and shields.

[@phillipnunya6793]

@@tycondero1647 Exactly. The armor is one of the two main selling points of the ship, and yet it seems most people don't talk about it that much. The crew size is also one of the main reasons I chose not to get a Polaris. Such a large crew will make it impractical to use often unless you are extremely rich or have a dozen well coordinated friends with nothing better going on at all times.

[@tycondero1647]

@@phillipnunya6793 I agree. Not so sound sad, but besides some org members (smallish, 25 active member org) I do not have lot of close friends interested in playing and devoting so much time in Star Citizen. Getting 3 players in a single ship is about the best I can do, and that still relies on Star Citizen making it interesting and worthwhile to work together. Atm you spend (like in most games) most of your time planning to get anything done with a group rather than getting some premium time playing the game. This is one of the reasons why I mostly play solo still: doesn't require a lot of hassle. The Perseus in that regard fits way better with getting actual effective play time than even bigger ships. At least that is what I believe will still be valid on release.

[@jordan8538]

I actually like the Perseus with its limited role, however its far too expensive and definitely an earn in-game. #Jaden

[@Austintatious_One]

The hammerheads weapons won't get through the persius armour 🤷‍♂️ Remember the persius of law that defeated 2 vanduul destroyers was from pre uee shield tech days.. So the persius won that battle with armour alone.. Fighters won't scratch the persious 🤷‍♂️ I imagine running this semi stealth with its shields down as part of a trap.. In one situation 🤔 I have a persious but by wild ccu chain... I have the polaris, BMM, carrack, msr and other ships as well though..

[@vicsid9606]

Badger touched on it but didn't push the point enough, armor. I think the balance will be that fighters will just be able to scratch the Perseus and it will be able to ignore S4 and under guns. The real nemisis for this thing will be the Ares and Inferno and other military cap ships that it really has the firepower to deal with. I think this ship will get a med bay and up gunned as it wasn't really a hit with the community. CIG has buffed ships that didn't sell in the past and this will likely be one again. Badger is right in that in it's current state it's just a raider. Great show guys. #Jaden

[@CureForIgnorance]

We named a ship after a fallen org member. Iplan to give a ship to an org member as a memorial. It's nice to have memorials attached to ships. I hope the ship goes to someone who will tell the story and keep the ship whole.

[@grim_smiles186]

I did end up picking up a Perseus myself, though I melted a bunch of other stuff I built up over time that I didn't really need anymore in order to offset a lot of the cash I was putting in when I bought it. I like it a lot and it's the only big combat ship I intend on owning (not the only ship I have, just the biggest for combat). I intend on using it with my org as a raiding ship with other ships to support in hit-and-run style attacks. Since there are already a few org members with large combat ships like Polaris/Nautilus I wouldn't exactly be contributing much by adding yet another big ship that needed a bunch of crew, and I didn't really have any interest in those two ships anyway. The ammo swap and the long range of the ship was a big plus for me, but the crew requirement is also a heavy consideration. It sounds like the two size 3 guns will be blade controlled by default as a point defense that you can override to control remotely. If that's the case I wouldn't have to take up any spare computer slots just to blade those two. So you could potentially get away with only having the two size 7 turrets crewed so long as you have other ships supporting you in combat (and given we're pirates we aren't looking for large fleet battles). Even if I tossed in someone to do the engineering that's still just four people: pilot, engineer, and two gunners. This way I'm not pulling limited crew resources away from any of the larger ships that might be brought along. #Jaden

[@APassingCloud_]

So, it was brought up before, but whomever wins this ship really needs to name it Jaden.

[@APassingCloud_]

I hope to recognize it in-game someday.

[@kishkin8743]

Agreed, and no matter what they should keep it and not melt it. I am not a combat player, but if I won I'd still keep it and use it to honor the memory.

[@novalis791]

Great to see Drinkers/Gaming - thanks guys! Q&A stated the range on the size 7 guns should be 7km; so I think that will help hitting targets like the HH that can only shoot about 4k #Jaden

[@truth3r]

I own a Polaris and a Perseus, I share a lot of the same sentiments as the community regarding cost and usefulness. Mainly I was sold 1st at the aesthetics, 2nd the size 7 guns, and thirdly the small crew requirements. For me the Perseus is the best looking ship in the game next to the Javelin. I hope for some sort of buff along development to justify the price. #Jaden

[@blkmrrs3111]

Feel the same. I have the Polaris, Purseus, and Nautilus. The Purseus looks the best out of them, but it could definitely use at least 1 med bay. But if its as thicc as they say it is in the lore we might not need it since they added shields on top of the armor to modernize it.

[@ColMortimer50]

I agree with the pocket battleship analogy for sure. When I heard about the ship, it instantly reminded me of the German Deutschland class cruisers from WW2. Basically a cruiser for long range raiding / patrolling with guns that outmatch ships of its size / class if not larger. I think in terms of firepower, you could add an extra gun to each turret without making it OP. You could make the turrets remote controlled by crew from the bridge as main battery fire control is generally centralised on most larger naval ships plus it would look cool having most of the crew stationed on the bridge.

[@ekgnomad1496]

Perseus will be a good escort ship a good side arm for a javelin And I would love to use it in a Xeno Threat one day #Jaden

[@algared6131]

Just starting to listen to the KZbin for this episode. I have often maintained the Perseus is an ideal ship for anti large ship escort for any convoy, because most ships attacking a convoy aren’t usually goi g to fighters but the large ship. Or a large ship or fighters. I like the ship and it has value but what kills the ship is the cost. I was happy to use CCUs and pay half price but not 675USD to mis quote an Aussie classic, ‘tell’em they’re dreaming’. It just isn’t worth it no matter how valuable the ship is in game. It is a ship I think most fleet owners will want, but for most I think it’s an earn in game option.

[@SCTimbal]

Agreed. I paid something like $375 USD for it, worth it at that price range.

[@TrevTheMan00]

The Perseus also has size 3 Point Defense Turrets so I think you would have to swarm it with 5+ fighters but I guess that’s where the ares comes in #Jaden

[@algared6131]

Yeah I agree, a couple of fighters could be in trouble, overwhelm the turrets and the table turns very quickly.

[@crackedjabber]

As a Perseus owner... pocket battleship/fleet escort is what I picked it up for. I had figured on fleets needing some kind of carrier/resupply for long trips, and I had figured on raiders needing something to haul away what they captured. So my goal was to use the Perseus to hit those targets while the armor tanked the fighters just long enough to let me get away with my antics. A couple of size 5 torps landing after a few size 7 shots take down the shields will really ruin the day of most large size ships. And if I can kill off the haulers, suddenly raiding just doesn't pay. On the flip side, if you are raiding and you can kill off the fleet tenders, suddenly, scrambling those fighters becomes very dicey. You can bait out the fighters, then run away, and they can't resupply, or at least not as easily as before. Now, hit and run tactics aren't just killing fighters, they are using up resources that can't be replaced. All because the Perseus sniped out a key target. Alternatively, the Perseus can show up, snipe out a transport and pull way back. Are you going to chase the thing into an ambush? Are you going to try and wait around and fix the transport? What if his friends show up? Hell, even if he doesn't have anyone coming to help or ambush, chances are a convoy is going to suck up the loss and move on anyway, leaving the disabled ship to its fate. And all of that is with very little crew. Myself, 2 gunners, one engineer, and blades for the defensive turrets when the engineer is... engineering. The Perseus is not the only ship I own. I spent about 18 months sort of working my way up via CCU before finally adding like... 50 bucks to my account for the Perseus. Since then, I've added a 315p back to my fleet because I'm not wild about the loaner hammerhead as a daily driver. #Jaden

[@kallistnemain2343]

The range thing is a really good point, many medium and light fighters, won't have the range to engage this guy on their own, but even more, the heavy fighters are typically not as maneuverable, meaning you have a shot at, at least during the start of an engagement, hitting one or two of them with those S7's, and severally hurting the attacking force.

[@algared6131]

I don’t consider the Perseus a corvette. Polaris rules the roost, Nautilus is niche but on par with the Perseus and Hammerhead is your niche fighter killer. It is also going to be the best commerce raider. Because it will deal with large escorts and it’s light turrets should be able to deal with one or two fighters.

[@arbter56]

I would love to see flack ammo for the size 7s to deal with fighters as they approach the Perseus. #Jaden

[@nefariusleviathan4232]

There are some things that i think makes it stand out: 1: Due to the fuel tanks it will be able to run on its own for some time. Should have way more range than a Polaris (judging by fueltanks). 2: Once Armor gets in, fighters might have a hard time getting through the hull. EMP/Distortion might be the most dangerous type then. 3: While the size 7s are not good against fighters they should be able to take on large ships and even maybe medium with ease (which you guys always recommend now as daily drivers etc. as fighters are just not able to fly long distances) which may (speculation) make it one of the ships to "rule" over those classes in combat. 4: The low crew requirement is a plus. By crew alone you could run multiple Perseuses for one Polaris. 5: The Polaris may be the entry to capital ship class but if i remember correctly it has sub capital armor(if not this point may become ivalid). So if you can't hit the perseus with your torps. If the perseus makes a run for you into the zone where you won't be able to shoot your torps the size 7s will slowly but surely shredd you. And the size 4 antifighter turrets on the Polaris then might not be enough to threaten the Perseus then. The only thing i would ike to have is to have anti fighter guns max size 3 on top of the turrets of the perseus. Javelin had size 5s there. But for Perseus the gunner would have to choose to use the size 7 turret or switch to a remote controlled size 3 on the top of the turret. That way it wouldn't be OP in my mind. Keep in mind, that i am biased, as i have one in my fleet.

[@lunamaria1048]

This ship will be a game changer... Even capital ships will have to fear a pack of these travelling together in a fleet.. My Org has several and I can't wait!

[@lystic9392]

Does anyone recall when they were talking about the ammunition swapping of the S7 turrets on the Perseus? I remember there may be something special about it, but can't quite remember what or how. Found it. 23:35

[@joshmorgan1948]

The AT-TE in star wars uses a mass driver cannon which is primarily loaded with laser 'shells' that can fire like 200 shots befor needing to cycle in a new shell. Obviously 200 would be a bit ridiculous for star citizen, but that would be a cool way to give the perseus lasers in a ballistic weapon

[@SpudyGun]

I own a small fleet and one of my favourite ships in my fleet is the Perseus, I fell in love with the looks and when I read the history I know it’s the ship for me 🚀 (disclaimer: I know it’s only “lore” but it got me excited) History: During Operation Mandrake in 2946 in the Vanduul War, the aging Perseus UEES Achilles managed to take down two Vanduul destroyers when the ship was damaged beyond repair. Due to its performance, UEEN Admiral Ernst Bishop personally lobbied RSI to start producing the Perseus model again for use against the Vanduul The civilian model of the Perseus was announced in 2950, on day 9 of the Intergalactic Aerospace Expo 2950 event.The lower deck was overhauled to accommodate more cargo and small vehicles END! 👆 this was before shield generators was installed on any Perseus ship (it’s now been retrofitted with shields 🤔 this looks like it’s going to be a tank) Great video and super interesting (keep up the great work 👍) #Jaden

[@inforunners]

Well lore is good its good. But it can totally suck too. Exe

[@Worldedi]

A thought I had while watching this is to park one in low orbit and use it to bombard ground targets, it would soften up a base nicely.

[@graemewhelan2051]

#jaden I got my Perseus for around $450 using a combo of Warbond CCUs and the BMM CCU increase

[@luckybrooks3491]

Me too 💯💥

[@tycondero1647]

I think 485 for me if I apply my CCU on my 400 dollar Carrack. However, not sure whether I should replace the multirole Carrack for the Perseus. I don't think the Perseus will be much of a money maker.

[@sapphomett]

@@tycondero1647 it surely won’t be as good as a money maker as the Carrack : About the same crew size, about the same size. But... The Carrack has much more fuel, which means more range, can repair itself with drones, has a tier 2 medbay, can take a light fighter with him, and if you’re not doing exploration you can still do cargo runs. And you can even run a Carrack solo if you stay in a secured system. The Carrack is much more alike a Polaris. For me it’s a no brainer. But if you’re interested in combat, then you can’t go wrong with a Perseus (but I’ll rather upgrade for a Polaris at this point ;)

[@tycondero1647]

@@sapphomett Though the Perseus will likely be more efficient in combat than the Polaris: less crew, smaller ship, more automation, heavier armor (less likely to get severely damaged) and cheaper ordinance (smaller torpedoes). The Polaris is way more rounded though, but I think it will be a horrible money maker as its expenses will be huge and money earning potential small.

[@lamel80]

I hope we can load ammo into the cargo bay like you can do with your ships in Eve Online. This also allows you to change ammo types. It would be nice to manufacture ammunition like in Eve Online also.

[@Gallagher068]

Ass someone who bought a Perseus, my opinion is there are three announced straight combat Corvettes; the Hammerhead, Perseus, and Polaris. The Hammerhead punches down, is an ideal ship for clearing areas of fighters and screening for incoming torpedoes, and the Polaris punches up, with it's cap crushing torps. The Perseus is all about punching laterally, an anti-corvette corvette. A straight up brawler that will likely take any of them in a straight fight, and as a pirate, that Perseus is gonna be busy plundering large cargo ships and rival supply lines #Jaden

[@rooster1012]

John Crew stated that they where looking at "smart" ammo for ballistic weapons that would allow you to change ammo characteristics on the fly.

[@wilemelliott]

Okay, thoughts as far as why I bought one... I had the melt value from collecting since the beginning and I see the potential. Part of it depends on how size 5s torpedoes operate. If they are "dedicated" to the harpoon anti ship missile envelope (relatively slow, meant for direct hull impacts) or if there are versions that fit the role of the similarly sized AIM54 Phoenix missile [VERY fast, proximity fused long range fighter bomber killers]. In addition as yall pointed out a size 7 traverses slower, but if they fighter is flying a straight line to close the distance it doesn't have to be fast, just accurate OR use some kine of Flak round. The best would be something proximity or time delayed, which are in use NOW in the real world.

[@lastfreethinker6810]

The thing I would like to see with customizable rounds is to be able to determine what it shoots and how many, if you're familiar with aircraft loadouts you see it in games like war thunder. First round day tracer, AP and to incendiaries, you can have two armor piercing rounds one explosive and a tracer.

[@Digable.]

Execute choking on that lozenge 😆 #Jaden

[@ShadowGirl-]

You know what it could use? A bay of repair drones, to keep itself in the fights. Would allow it to mitigate some of the repair delay with relying on hull armor.

[@Kapnoullas]

Hey guys, this was one of the best interviews I've seen on the channel. Keep up the awesome work. #Jaden

[@explorer47422]

They have said it won't have medical capacity as that is not its intended role in the game, and devalues other medical ships as support. They mentioned in the Q&A the S7 turrets could be equipped with different ammo types, with flak being specifically mentioned, to make it more versatile (indeed all ballistic weaponry could have this, including the twin S3 gatling turrets), combined with the perfectly sized anti-heavy-fighter S5 missiles, plus armour as mentioned, I would argue it could hold its own against most fighter types. In fact, with the weapon rework in 3.14 it is likely any fighter that isn't either a heavy fighter or a bomber will be inconsequential against a corvette and above, as don't forget a HH is meant to hold its own against fighter swarms too, and with less armour. Also worth mentioning that all ballistic weapons have been given a large damage boost given their specialty nature, and the Percy is ALL ballistics, which also means capacitors will have no effect and so all the power could be shifted to the shields with no detriment to DPS. However as it is the counterpart to the HH (an anti-fighter corvette, with the percy being an anti-corvette corvette), which is priced at $650, the Perseus price point is not unreasonable. Perhaps it is the Polaris being priced too low, which given it's still a concept ship then that is the likely explanation, and is therefore only like to go up in price - further distancing its price from that of the Perseus. They can't likely increase the Perseus price without matching it with the HH anyway, with the latter likely to remain fixed given it is already flyable. Aside: I think you might be looking too much into the word 'customizeable' and they more than likely just meant swappable ammo types! 'Pick which ammo you want' level of customisation.

[@algared6131]

And it is these facts that make me think it isn’t intended to be a long range self sufficient ship but rather either part of a local militia or working in concert with a fleet. I used to say Polaris and HH were the compliments of each other. But I have been convinced despite being called a corvette the HH is not a corvette. Polaris deals with large ships and the odd fighter and the HH deals with the fighters and torpedoes targeting the capital ships. The main target of the Perseus in my opinion isn’t the HH as the concept art misleadingly implies it is in fact the Tali hunter. It is not a pocket battleship but it It is a tank destroyer.

[@dark_winter8238]

It costs a lot but will be one of the better ships in terms of ability vs crew cost. It has less crew requirement then a redeemer out the gate with two turrets bieng automated by default. #Jaden

[@tycondero1647]

Yes, lower crew requirement is a big seller in my book. I cannot rely on massive amounts of org members or friends to support me. Probably even if I would fly the Perseus I still need NPC crew.

[@leelowe6703]

Just found this video after starting to play SC, this has always been my favorite ship since i first seen it. I am slowly building up to a purchase and ready to drop the hammer if it appears in warbond soon. I just want to add that they have said it has 2x S5x2 blade turrets (anti fighter/missile) and also the main S7 turrets can slave to the pilot.

[@voldria]

The addition of Flak rounds seems like an easy choice with no need to change anything on the Perseus. I always considered swarms of fighters tieing up the two smaller turrets the real threat, preventing them from targeting and destroying torpedos. It is one of the best looking ships to boot. #Jaden

[@dutchmutt7878]

I do OWN a Perseus...The reason is almost beyond my own comprehension I think. I fell in love with the physical design of the ship and i think that the challenge of commanding a ship with 5 or so friends in support of an Org fleet really appeals to me. Or the ability to offer our services as a dedicated Perseus crew to ANOTHER Org that may be engaging in its own war across different systems or fighting over a particular system.

[@limitedrespawns]

Perseus and Polaris owners either have awesome foresight or just love the look and can't say no. #jaden

[@crackedjabber]

Perseus owner here... probably more of the latter. It's so pretty!

[@Smootier]

I think your speculation on the weapon sizes are safe. CIG mentioned that the guns on the Perseus are bespoke, which inherently means one of two things: It does more damage than other S7 guns, or it has unique properties; those unique properties being the fact that you can change out ammo types between explosive and armor piercing rounds. If you're using AP rounds, you're definitely going to be using them against capital ships. Fact remains that they are ballistic canons. What ever damage types they add, they will have to be tied to "bullet" type ammo. Another note: When talking about the Perseus against fighters, both of you managed to forget (Or didn't care to mention it) that the ship has two PDS turrets behind the bridge, top and bottom. (They're pairs of S3s, but they *are* enough to deter a couple of fighters, and missile interference) #Jaden Combat thoughts.

[@thedoctrinetv]

I'm generally surprised by how many people focus on the turret turning "issue". For me, it's not an issue at all. First, the further the target is from the Perseus, the less travel speed the turrets need to track it. Second, while the turret has it's own travel speed, maneuvering the ship can augment it. For example, if the turret has an independent right-left travel of 5*/sec, and the Perseus has a yaw of 5*/sec, that means the turret has a defacto cumulative travel of 10*/sec (i.e., yaw or pitch the ship as the turret is also traveling). Sure, it takes some coordination between pilot and gunner(s), but that's an observation not an argument.

[@Sam-js5is]

Im so hyped for the ares, I think they will shake up the ert/event meta heavily and be a warning for 4 s7. #Jaden

[@algared6131]

I hate the idea of the Ares. It annoys me that at present I’m not a fan of Crusader ships. It annoys me because as the corporations go I really like Crusader.

[@Metro2Metro]

Yes I own one, I picked it up for $275 it is one of very many ships own. I think this will be one I'll use a lot due to three crewmen size

[@ElPolloDiabloCH]

That must have been one hell of a CCU chain. Were you one of the lucky ones that didn't had their 0$ Carrack CCUs deleted?

[@markreiser4080]

I really fell in love with the ship. Its design and interior rooms are amazing beauty. But I really miss an engine room there. I stubborn want to try to kill npc fighters also if they can be hit with the s7s. I hope one can additionally reload the ammo with boxes from the cargo bay at least manually! Rip #Jaden

[@samedge9877]

Perseus: Remove the dedicated cargo bay and give it a multipurpose bay. Once those are in, it would be super flexible. Gain med for loss of cargo, gain more seats and vehicle transport for heavy dropship hot drop but no cargo or med, etc... Honestly depending how deep CIG goes down the multipurpose bay options these things can be super cool. CNC module for command and control center for ground ops or small fleet ops.. drones for any drone options.... etc Regardless a wing of 2-4 combined Perseuri (how to plurarize?) and Hammerheads will be a tough nut to crack. Once this won't take the population for the whole server.... Have a Perseus on deck with CCU to Nautilus sitting on deck. Not sure how it will go eventually. #Jaden

[@algared6131]

I would think that since the Perseus has ballistic S7 it needs that cargo space to store additional ammo stores. Although being able to refit the ship how we want would be nice. I got the feeling way back when that was what the ships were like. The variants were showing us configurations that were possible. Sometime in 2014-16 I believe they started to move away from that thinking. And moved more towards the variants were actual ships. There are very few ships that have that modularity still and I do t really think many have been released as concept ships since. The only one that comes to mind is Apollo with the sealable operating theatres.

[@GHost-jj4su]

The Perseus Is not an "only" ship. The only reason I have it is to act as an Escort for my ORGS industrial fleet, to patrol during mining ops/salvage/ or escort cargo haulers as we also plan on operating outside UEE. I can also see good Hoping on maybe a few guys are on who want to run PVE missions so you load in in a Perseus and some fighters or something for fighting Local NPC pirates. I mean those missions with that Spawn Three Hammerheads would be great for the Perseus...so we already have missions for it in-game PVE wise, and It sounds like Quanta will probably have some Hidden "Security/Prate" rating to systems. Would be nice if the mission system spawns missions for them to run and doing that decreases the chances of pirate interdiction, seeing as the system has a high "Security" rating from people running missions in it all the time But that is a whole other topic XD. Hell Xeno threat probably would of seen a good use for it, and then NPC Hammerheads could of showed up as well as Fighters.

[@DJRaffa1000]

I hope the ammunition change feature will be really nice. After i found that out in the Q/A my wallet felt a great distortion in its powerbalance so to speak

[@inforunners]

Not suprised. Exe

[@lowlevelaesthetic8831]

#Jaden I have been watching you for a while now and enjoy your show. Please continue and cannot wait for more content.

[@Cozzyhane]

Execute is trying so hard to open his eyes 😂

[@TarkisRai]

I'm personally super hyped for Percy to roll around, finding gunners is going to be easypeasy for those thiccc turrets. Also, don't forget it has a small number of smaller turrets designed for self defense from fighters and torpedoes, so while it's weak to fighters but it won't go down without a fight. It's definitely designed to be part of a fleet or convoy, not a standalone ship. Oh man, and that talk on custom rounds and speculation on ammo effects, I'm picturing loading up those guns with effectively air-burst explosive rounds, something to create area denial against fighters. #Jaden

[@tycondero1647]

Pretty sure it will be able to fly as a lone ship and go well. If anything it is the ultimate hit and run ship. A couple of fighters won't do much, but if a dozen arrive or even capital class ships you just get away.

[@Fireprey75]

I doubt it’s a ship meant to go out by itself. In most of the pictures there is either 2 or 3 together. #Jaden

[@crackedjabber]

I can certainly see these hunting in packs. The first one lines up, wails on a target and gets 'driven off by fighters' Just in time for the others to show up while the fighters are elsewhere.

[@tonic9539]

The only thing i would change is remove the little flaps on the side protrusions and put another pair of automated turrets there. it would give it a bit more cover but wouldn't be to overpowered. since they did say they are moving point defense away from ballistics to energy repeaters. they could keep the top and bottom as being able to be used as remote turrets but keep the side ones as pure PDTs. crew size dont change that way and makes the ship a little be less swarmable. EDIT: i do own one. but i didnt spend anything on it. i had a Polaris but realized it was not the ship i wanted i prefer guns to torps and the crew size was to high. So i downsized to a Hammerhead. The crew size was still a bit of an issue to use regularly but more my style. But then the Perseus came out and it was much more crew manageable, would have liked the option to use energy weapons on the turrets but hey.

[@tealwraith9045]

The Perseus was made at a time when shields didn't defend a ship, armor did. Expect the hull plating to be exceptional compared to modern designs. A small, lightly crewed ship with heavy, heavy armor that will need torpedoes or size 4+ cannons to penetrate the plating.

[@bback74]

CCU'ed to a Perseus from a Carrack in the heavily discounted UEE 2948 Exploration package. That made it worth it imo.

[@biergischt]

I disagree with a rework and higher crew requirements. I've bought it for the low requirements, if they want a bigger ship they should concept a new one..

[@eranhoj]

If they give it 4 types of ammo/shells, 1 high armor penetrating rounds like depleted uranium/ tungsten core. 2 high explosive something heat/fire based. 3 a distortion shell that detonate on shield to weakened it. 4 like he said shatter shot or flak rounds (shatter shells with proximity detonators) and you have to figure out what shells you have with you on mission, how many of each do u take.

[@T3hBr0k3nM0nk3y]

Such a cool ship. I love it's look and a lot of what it has to offer. It's still missing what I'm looking for in a 5-person merc ship though. I think I'm still hoping for a slightly uparmed Carrack. Medbay/spawnpoint, barracks, armory and a better selection of guns (fair amount and size) and missiles (fair amount and size). I think a sub-cap ship can be career-focused and self-sufficient without breaking the game. Hope it eventually comes in tevarin form, to be honest. :)

[@dracsis]

I'm imagining something like the multi-role cannons in space battleship yamato, that could fire either energy or solid rounds.

[@connorallison2123]

#jaden honestly felt that the ship was a bit pricy when i first picked it up but well, it just looked too good to pass up. now I'm sadly wondering how I'm gonna get another carrack to replace the one that gets lost in the upgrade but that's a problem for later when they do add the ship in editing this because I think that they are missing a pretty large bonus of this ship. yeah, it's pricy for its manpower but I think that ends up being a bonus for this ship. compared to running a ship like the Hammerhead or the Polaris, it will be much more economical. in terms of being able to patrol an area, you're gonna spend less on fuel costs, less on paying the crew, and you get the ability to bring along a surface rover and some cargo. Furthermore, I think this thing will be able to go into spaces that are... contested, have a few ROC's inside it, be too much an issue for the people around to want to deal with, cover the area the miners are in, and dip with their spoils without being too costly to run. finally, it has the ability to contest much larger and more expensive ships meaning that people are going to think a little bit more about dealing with one of these than they might with something like a hammerhead

[@SociallyConfused]

I love the idea of using this as a commerce raider and/or a fleet in being, pulling resources and ships away from mainline deployments to deal with this little annoyance.

[@Stigarus0]

Very good updating with new relevant information! #Jaden

[@joesmith-tr2nj]

Thank you Inforunners. Great Video, Great Topic, Very Informative. Thumbs Up & subscribed

[@Dumb-Comment]

Gib Perseus #Jaden

[@thatmobileplayer1834]

move the bottom size 7 and put a snub fighter port similar to the consolation and it would fix some problems

[@ZevesG]

i think this was how capital ships were always going to work like. it goes back to world war 2 and different ammos there. in normal naval games you have ap and he ammo etc

[@Jamie-666]

Have the Polaris. Thought about melting it for this ship, but amazingly I'd have only got $100 back!

[@sharpendgaming]

Something about it is just slick, the rule of cool bumped this price up. #Jaden

[@Dr.Clockworks]

#jaden I'm super excited for the Perseus. It's really gonna be a game changer for me and my friends.

[@artsolano6762]

I own a Pursues. I am a beluga whale, a small one. I keep my fleet size down by having almost all ships focused on combat. I have a few small multi crew ships that are general purpose to run light cargo. Zero mining ships, Zero salvage ships, Zero luxury and transport ships. If you are a Merc, there is a big advantage in having a ship so specialized and rare that people will pay handsomely for your services to escort or strike with it.

[@sw6253]

you guys are doing a great job thank you

[@2bereckless604]

#jaden | Great video, keep up the work. Can't wait until i can fly the Perseus.

[@tycondero1647]

The armor will be making up a lot of the cost. The M2 is also a lot more expensive than the C2 due to mostly the armor. It will be interesting to see how well the heavy armored Perseus will do against the lightly armored, but more rounded Polaris. The Perseus might actually come out on top 1 out of 3 times.

[@Wind_Lord]

#Jaden. Was a tough call between Persius & Polaris. Specially with that bridge view. I think munitions changing will be a feature of all larger ships. Not just the Persius.

[@individ00m]

I really like the concept of the perseus and I did buy some percy CCUs, just to see if it was going to increase in size at some point to justify the price. Otherwise those CCUs will just be melted or upgraded into a polaris or something else. #Jaden

[@darkbeastcaarl9635]

If you pair this ship with a HH probably woud be a tough combo #Jaden

[@ericwollaston5654]

Most definitely, they were designed to work together by covering each other with their strengths.

[@joonyoungk]

Polaris, Perseus, and hammerhead as a group will wreck house.

[@sovereign6291]

@@joonyoungk The holy trinity.

[@Bahkana]

Another thing that I haven't seen considered often is the point defense system of the ship that uses blades with smaller weapons to shoot down incoming torps. This is supposed to come stock. #JADEN

[@Zalatian]

The thing about this being vulnerable to fighters is that it can be paired with a couple of fighters, support them with its turrets, and have its weakness shored up as easily as they're opened. In terms of content this can handle, I've been thinking it would handle like a scaled-up Retaliator -- maybe a little more vulnerable to fighters, but more of a brawler and better able to handle multiple targets. #jaden

[@abovethesky1024]

According to the lore of this ship the old perseus the model with no shields destroyed 2 vandul destroyers before it went down and thats with no shield. If the ship remains true to that story fighters wont be able to do anything to it when armor becomes a thing , maybe u can damage the thrusters etc but the hull of the ship will make fighters bounce off everything.

[@aimlis]

Everything to with ship balance is up in the air with the current changes and there are further drastic changes in the future. Makes it hard to judge much of anything beyond speculation. Good discussion regardless :) #Jaden

[@thecaptainkern7974]

I got mine a bit cheaper as well;) I agree that ships are way to expensive in Star Citizen, they get away with the price points because they say you are not buying ships you are supporting this project...partially right - I AM BUYING THE SHIPS!!! and as a side point I am supporting this project, after all I did not throw Hundreds of dollars to SC for an Aurora now did I? On the other hand no one forced me to spend my money on SC Ships. I have built up quit a fleet over 8 years now of slowly throwing my money away for the Ships I want;)

[@WookieeRage]

Always good to revisit opinions to explore unseen possibilities. #jaden

[@ShadowRhapsody81]

I think anyone that got a Perseus with the idea of: "Im going to use it to destroy Idris's and Javelins!" Got the ship for the extremely wrong ideals and want it to be able to do something it'll never be able to do. I got the ship for a specific 'role' and as long as it can fulfill that, i'll be happy. What did i get it for? To "Damage" Larger ships. to "De-Fang" larger ships. While also being able to hit ships the size of a HH hard. My vision (at the moment) for my Perseus, is to use it to 'help' engage larger ships like a Idris or a Javelin, not to 'destroy' it myself.. but to target specific things. Engines, turrets, torpedo bays, that sort of thing. And the reason i think this will still be a thing, and why im happy with the Perseus in this 'role' (as a ship to directly take on HH-sized ships or "damaging" larger capitals) is due to what i was able to do during Xenothreat with my Arrow and its 2 S3 Gatling's. While most people were simply having fun shooting down fighters, or lobbing Torpedo's at the Idris and HH's... i was actually testing a theory. I intentionally took out my Arrow, equiped with 2 S3 gattlings, and ignored all fighters. I focused all of my attention purely on the larger ships (the HH's and the Idris). Specifically, the turrets on those ships. And while it took a while (and the majority of my ammo), i WAS able to destroy turrets on both the Idris AND the HH's with just a pair of S3 ballistics (was never able to kill the Railgun though.. sofar as i could see... in that i never saw a 'damaged state' for the railgun). If my Arrow can do this with a pair of S3's, while armor is NOT a thing yet. Surely 2x S7's will be able to do the same (and against larger, more heavily armored, turrets/engines) even after armor becomes a thing (ie: those turrets on the Javelin are mean and nasty looking... but how well will they hold up to sustained fire from 4 S7's?). So... That is what i see the Perseus being used for, and its 'role' in a engagement. It's there to damage larger ships if its ignored (ie: Larger ship captains, ignore this ship at your own peril), and to take on similar-sized ships while hitting those ships harder than usual due to the larger-sized guns.

[@midgardsorm]

How about "shrapnell" ammo, like making those S7 Guns scatter guns?

[@inforunners]

Yeah for sure like the scatterguns. Exe

[@dustfang5422]

The Perseus could be a very fun ship for smaller crews to get capital play, too. I'd be down to helm a picket ship. #Jaden

[@graveperil2169]

its the only Big combat ship with a small crew

[@hellhawk5441]

I own the Perseus. My ownership goal was to focus on capital industry and subcap combat ships that are easily crewed. I want to focus having crew on my moneymaking ships, and limit the amount of crew for the escorts. Polaris is gonna be beast, but the crew requirement turned me off towards it. Perseus can get away with 2 additional crew or AI pilots, and works as a perfect picket ship to ward off larger pirates.

[@charmin3374]

#Jaden - Have to try for the F7A. :D Also, Perseus concept turned out well to be honest, I like the low crew requirenments.

[@walther007]

I only buy ships that compliment Mining...but that includes military ships for security. No Vanduul fighting for me. I do own the Perseus. Honestly it's the perfect ship for me. I feel the Polaris relying on it's torpedos is going to be a money hog. Potentially costing over 100k per torp fired. The Perseus can stand up to similar threats that the Polaris can and the costs are far less. If they can throw a turret system similar to the Javelin and allow a turret on a turret, that would be great. That would make this a wicked good ship. It still would have issues with multiple heavy fighters even with the upgraded turrets I mention, but currently I feel it's too handicapped relying on it's 2 PD turrets. That being said, still easier to manage than a Polaris.

[@cobra9delta]

I always said that ballistics needed ammo types, and CIG should understand that ballistic ammunition shouldn't be physically designed like current ammunition. I'm sure by this time frame better, more efficient propellants would've been designed. Plus since it takes power to spin the barrels/operate the weapon should take power, and be determined by the capacitor gameplay. #Jaden

[@LordTiberius52]

I don't think the Perseus will get Distortion ammo. It will probably get armor piercing and explosive (similar to the C-788). Maybe something corrosive. But I don't think scatter gun or a huge variety.

[@azkabar1349]

im only a few min in, but I wanna put it out there if it doesn't get brought up, the Perc took on and killed 2 destroyers and damaging a third all on its "old model" (the no shield version). Furthermore id love to see the s7 turrets get the s4 guns on top like the jav. or maybe a third MANNED turret with s5 OR lower specifically for fighters. #Jaden

[@graveperil2169]

they don't make lore stories about the Perc that bumped into two destroyers and was deleted in seconds

[@azkabar1349]

@@graveperil2169 true true

[@LordTiberius52]

I think people give the Nautilus WAY too much credit. We know the mines are going to use ship components, so power supplies and thrusters for the explosives. Power supplies and guns for the turret type. So we are talking several thousand spesos per mine. Even if it's 4k UEC per mine * 24 mines. That's 100k for a mine field, (and I'll bet it comes closer to 500k). And they have to be maintained. Which will cost more. Then someone like me comes by with an Ion and pops those suckers like Popcorn from kilometers away. Chaching! The Nautilus will be more of a nuisance than an obstacle

[@Embarkation1]

I’m medical in my org, and this is the only ‘large ish’ combat ship I want. Not sure if I’m going to buy it though. The amount of use I’ll get out of it and cost is a concern. Probably save up in game.

[@michaelanderson6627]

great ship, but the price still turns me away from it #Jaden

[@benvalle8253]

I purchased an upgrade from the Carrack to the Perseus all I need now is a carrack. #Jaden.