What Started The Conflict In A24’s “Civil War?”

[@Mericaball]

I don’t know what is more ridiculous, Texas and California working together, or people being upset that the FBI was disbanded

[@josephfoster7680]

If someone like Trump did so many would be angry so this isn't far fetched at all

[@PlaneBoy2520]

So if the democrats disbanded the FBI because they were being targeted by search warrants you’d support it?

[@larryredenbaugh6854]

​@josephfoster7680 Very true. It's really funny because it also sounds like Trump to somehow work his way into a 3rd term 😭.

[@jpablo700]

Texas and California are on the same team now and would be on the same team during a civil war. Each state's politicians know what they're doing to keep segments of constituents divided.

[@ghostpiratelechuck2259]

Yeah why would any citizens be upset if a president declared an unconstitutional third term and dismantled the only body that could stop him? Silly constitutionalists. Ca and Tx also makes perfect sense if you know more about them than what’s on the tv. Ca isn’t one big LA and Tx isn’t one giant cattle ranch. Ca has more farmers than Tx and Tx has large liberal cities. Both are massive mostly rural states sparsely populated with people who just want to be left alone. Two biggest economies and most of the resources. The ports for traffic from S America and Asia. If Texas granted more cultural freedom and California offered more economic freedom they’d even be real allies, not just a marriage of convenience. And we’ll always have more in common with each other than any East-coasters. Still the Wild West over here.

[@bryanmoynihan2480]

I find it interesting that he left out the bit about the President Bombing US Citizens being a catalyst for everything

[@ericalexandres7610]

Theres a part where they referenced the "Antifa Massacre" too... Obviously a Civil War wouldn't start overnight but I feel like there was enough hints to how it would have unraveled.

[@itsyaboi8964]

Wouldn’t be the first time the government has tried to

[@angelgjr1999]

He also collapsed the US dollar. But yeah the droning of a US civilian would start a civil war quickly 🐍

[@TuckerMasterson-pl4ol]

That was during the war

[@dabbydabbington135]

​@@TuckerMasterson-pl4ol No ur r wrong. The government bombed a city block in NYC in the 80s. And dews r used now. Also world's fairs were demolitions.

[@zacharyramsli8002]

It's kind of fitting that a movie telling the story of how the media would cover a modern civil war in the USA Doesn't tell us any of the important facts about what is going on.

[@IAmBeingSilenced]

🤯

[@justsayin4632]

Pretty true to what the media does now😂

[@theteob689]

but it does... but if you don't know who the dixies were, or what could happen after the FBI is disbanded... then yes makes less sense.

[@name1585]

The thing about the movie is that you could’ve put the reporters in like Afghanistan or Iran and literally nothing about the story will change except the ending. All it is about is about war reporters in a war.

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

Well Trump's MAGA is still going on and the media let us know every day. What facts do you need on a cult that lives in their bubble 😂

[@marcofava]

There are actually four factions in the Civil War in the movie, not just two, and the whole thing was started not by the third term or FBI Disbanding but the President ordering an air strike on US civilians

[@MirridonOnslaught]

Oof. Sounds realistic

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

​@@MirridonOnslaughtya biden

[@MirridonOnslaught]

@@MrGreen-fi5sg you mean Trump wanting to destroy the FBI? Biden doesn't want to destroy any law enforcement agency.

[@baez_n]

What are the four factions

[@jamescuttler8047]

@@MrGreen-fi5sgtypical republitard who knows nothing of history

[@Imagineless]

California and Texas joining together lol

[@drewbienewbie03xx81]

Ikr. Talk about a plot hole. Lol.

[@jordanmolinaro6507]

Hahaha facts, they basically made a movie about hell freezing over😂

[@Freshnewz10]

This will only happen if RFK wins instead of Biden and Trump

[@hengzhou4566]

That's why this movie is allowed to be made and shown.

[@williamwest9204]

If ur a student of history it's not hard to believe in a civil war scenario

[@vensangre]

Because the film wasn't about a Civil War like they advertised it to be. It was a movie about reporters taking a road trip DURING a Civil War

[@justinhageman1379]

Yeah idk why they advertised it the way they did. Completely uninterested from the way the trailer portrayed it but my mom dragged me to see it with her and I really enjoyed it.

[@lofton9959]

I loved the film style it was unique

[@SnurkleMcDurkle]

If you want a more in depth look into why it woild be those 2 states first then read the book series 299 days

[@tiffanywyatt5137]

​@@justinhageman1379 for more potential viewers. What's more interesting watching a hypothetical civil war or watching a bunch of reporters surviving during said war

[@justinhageman1379]

@@tiffanywyatt5137 but if they were targeting that audience why not make a movie that appeals to them rather than making a movie that won’t and then marketing it to that audience. Why wouldn’t you want the demographic that’s gonna watch your movie be the same demographic as someone who would like it?

[@allthingsharbor]

A24 did a good job in 'hiding' the causes and not assigning blame to any side of the spectrum. The movie shows the lives of war time journalists AND how a Civil War will affect average run of the mill civilians. If it happens in my lifetime then I hope I am living in a community like the one with the dress shop.

[@M15fkprsav]

dress shop had snipers on the roof

[@JAFO44]

Jesse Plemons is a underrated actor.

[@Insertnamehereplz]

Yes he is. So is his wife we never see her in movies anymore.

[@wulfgang4520]

Damn Ron Swanson not only went further into the belly of the beast, he also destroyed a government agency. A man of focus, commitment, and sheer will.

[@jimbosc]

He should have gotten rid of the 4 food groups and moved directly to the Ron Swanson Food Pyramid - this would have immediately earned him the full backing of all interest parties and avoided a Civil War.

[@thevanburenagency6664]

give that man all the bacon you have!

[@farizbjorn]

President really is Ron Swanson lol.

[@BricktopsPigs]

He killed 3 men with a pencil. A FVCKIN PENCIL

[@tipfertool5457]

The disbanded FBI probably bribed a bunch of weed smoking dudes to threaten to kill the Governor of those states to get them pissed off. Gotta work with what you know

[@henryhill1231]

Hoi4 modders can do so much better on the map and names of nations then anyone in Hollywood

[@mrlkf315]

So true 😂

[@henryhill1231]

@@mrlkf315 right?

[@Cyro_77]

Kaiserredux has a good us civil war

[@henryhill1231]

@@Cyro_77 facts

[@theblazindragon420]

As I'm playing a civil war in hoi I see this 😂

[@lotfibouhedjeur]

Jesse Plemons plays the bad guy like no one's business.

[@twillison8824]

Three terms of Ron Swanson is exactly what America needs.

[@HeavyK.]

The point of the 'lack of clear explanation' on the why, is part of the story. When they come upon the sniper/spotter soldier pair who explain "somebody in that house is trying to kill us so we are trying to kill them."

[@flavaj13]

Lazy writing is what it is.

[@mostlikelyjum8533]

@@flavaj13 is pretty good writing, maybe watch it before judging. it's not on the level of "i don't like sand" and other infamous quotes from star wars

[@flavaj13]

​@mostlikelyjum8533 , watched it twice. It's meh at best and cool set pieces don't make up for lazy and cowardly writing.

[@homagee296]

​@@flavaj13 Whys that?

[@Deimos2k5]

It's not lazy writing. The movie isn't about what caused the war. It's about journalism, mostly. It's character driven, not about the politics. They literally have a character turn to camera and state that it doesn't matter what side you're on when you're trying to kill each other. Did you miss that?

[@joeyhamilton6854]

For people who don’t realize, Texas and California were the states to succeed so that people from the left and right could enjoy the movie. The point was so people wouldn’t take our modern split and just assume the movie was attacking them.

[@beartrap3400]

What I don't get is how everyone got it in their head that they're working together. At no point is that ever stated or hinted at. Maybe in the trailer it states that which is misleading but in the actual film it is not clearly stated. It's literally just announced that they seceded and are continuing their secession for the time being. No mention of them teaming up lol.

[@mylittlepkle1714]

@@beartrap3400 it literally is....maybe you should pay attention next time you watch a movie.

[@beartrap3400]

@@mylittlepkle1714 I did. Please tell me IN THE MOVIE where it was stated that California and Texas were working together. I'm genuinely asking.

[@countseppuku1775]

@@beartrap3400Did you fall asleep during the movie haha. They said it several times in the movie bud. Like the flag Texas and California uses has two stars… aka the western forces Texas and California.

[@beartrap3400]

@countseppuku1775 All I remember in regards to this topic is at the very beginning, the president talked about cali and texas continuing their secession. Them working as independent powers makes sense to me. Most of the movie is focused on the journalistic aspect anyway, so if it was stated at all, I have no recollection when and what was said.

[@mr.r622]

I don't see why people would be angry over to disbanding the FBI. They are completely unconstitutional😂

[@hughjanus2781]

Maybe people who worked for the FBI and their families? Plus when you already don’t like a president you get mad over everything they do

[@optimusprime4443]

It was more about journalism than anything because the movie left me scratching my head the whole time

[@JohnDoe-ss2nn]

- disband the FBI - ppl are angry wut?

[@jaredhighlands4604]

Lol made me laugh

[@firstlast2762]

You can tell the people that made the movie have very little comprehension of geopolitical issues.

[@AntilleanConfederation]

Hollywood always lying 🤥

[@skhotzim_bacon]

The FBI is unnecessary as an organization. They could disappear tomorrow and all their work could be easily taken on by other organizations.

[@jamesmorrison7989]

@@firstlast2762that or they purposefully produce pro fbi propaganda. Wouldn’t be the first time

[@SamaelVR]

Disbanded the FBI? Hell give him a 4th term

[@Styxz__]

Fbi is fine its the cia that sucks

[@prometheus5405]

what an imbalance. FBI's loyalty is to upholding both the constitution and federal laws, rather than to any individual. Including the president.

[@markgarcia8253]

@@prometheus5405 the FBI is not a branch of government. It’s a branch of the executive branch. Meaning law enforcer bureaucrats (aka the deep state) Institute policies no one voted for and Congress is inept to stop

[@herrgodfrey9563]

🐑

[@jailbreaker1214]

@@prometheus5405 The FBI is involved constantly entrapping people and protecting corrupt politicians

[@iampitts4984]

The combat scenes were great, but the movie overall left a lot to be desired.

[@Dan-et2gj]

Yeah absolute dog water of a movie. Completely false advertising, the trailers showed an action packed movie and it was so boring I paused my rental went outside and washed my car. I love photography, and think the story of photo journalism during war is a great story that should be told, but not in a way to trick your audience. Literally during the trailers they only show angels that hide “PRESS” on the car besides one single frame. During the gas station/ car wash scene was the only half decent part of telling how to capture moments/ be a photographer. The rest of the movie was just a nothing burger. Literally thinking of emailing KZbin and asking for my money back it was a horrible film

[@johnford9070]

Yea it sucked unlimited ballsacks

[@WalrusWinking]

Dude, NOONE would be angry if the FBI was disbanded.

[@mobyhuge2652]

Why though?

[@WalrusWinking]

@@mobyhuge2652 They are an evil and corrupt organization, what have you been living under a rock?

[@FBI-A16]

Dang

[@Definitelynotjewish]

​@@mobyhuge2652bootlicker

[@-z-9989]

I'm not an American, can you tell me why?

[@wayne9449]

So basically he came in the office, signed a whole bunch of executive orders, disbanded the FBI, and then served a third term. Pissing everybody off.

[@tonysirius3215]

He also carried out airstrikes on American citizens. And shut down freedom of press

[@nickhueper2906]

Sounds good to me

[@elliottbaker201]

Hey, I don't see what's wrong

[@openthinker6562]

As if California and Texas would work together EVER 😂

[@radrymes]

@@openthinker6562They would work together to succeed and then go separate ways.. I can see that happening.

[@localcompanion]

"Disbanded the FBI" 😃 "Strengthened the ATF" 😦

[@joshreiter7582]

🤢🤮

[@ericbennett376]

Forty billion likes and only twenty million comments? Let me fix that

[@ZamPolit07]

But this is already scary; if I were the National Security Agency, I would panic.

[@joejack2446]

I don’t think a single person other than FBI employees would be angry if the FBI was disbanded

[@proto6948]

Disbanding the FBI would probably make more people happy than angry

[@MarechalRoi101]

I think the creator probably didnt do any research. The reason the movie probably chose to have the FBI disbanded is because they are the agency directly tasked with internal investigations and anti-corruption. If you want to start a dictatorship thats the kind of agency you want to get rid of.

[@alphaHero100]

To normal Americans, it would not.

[@dememeitized8048]

​@@alphaHero100"normal" Americans? Or the people who dont care that the federal government is invading our privacy all in the name of "stopping terrorists"😂

[@AlphaStreetWolf]

​@alphaHero100 to Americans it would to democrats it wouldn't

[@BigBoss-dj9fk]

@@AlphaStreetWolfexplain your position please

[@firefly9838]

Oh no... the FBI is gone... I am SOO upset. Can't you tell just how upset I am😐

[@ladelllarkins407]

Let's also defund the police right?

[@skylertenkley1431]

@@ladelllarkins407 nah just the corrupt government agencies like fbi, cia, atf

[@Otto_Von_Itter9000]

​@@ladelllarkins407 The FBI isn't as necessary as the police, if anything the feds do everything in their power to cover up the government's wrongdoings.

[@sepsis111]

All 3 letter agencies could go and I'd be fine.... nobody likes or wants what they've turned into.

[@firefly9838]

@@ladelllarkins407 yeah ok here's the weird thing right... I would consider myself a moderately right wing person for the most part. I live in the country and most city folks would call me a redneck or a country boy or whatever. I absolutely do not give a shit if the police are abolished. Nobody, I know would give us a single solitary fuck. I have never called them. I guarantee you I never will. We handle our own shit here. Personally, I think people could learn to be more self-reliant. Sure public buildings having security I would understand, especially in big cities. However we got rid of our city police years ago. We just have a sheriff with like two deputies to cover a county nearly the size of Rhode Island and they barely ever leave the station. There is an old story my father used to tell us about a methhead who broke into a farmer's house one night... nobody ever heard from or saw him this town delinquent again. However, they do say the next spring when the farmer fertilized the fields... it seemed to be thicker than usual... and it had an awful smell to it... who knows. Nobody was going to start asking questions.

[@bowtieguy5280]

I promise you that there wouldn't be many people outside of government service angry if the FBI was disbanded

[@jcolinmizia9161]

The cause of the civil war not being important was a big aspect of the film. Part of Lee and Joel’s philosophy is that moralizing of the war is less important than documenting it.

[@cacciatore9147]

-Where are you from? -I’m from HK! -Oh CN! Bang!

[@Deactiv8dStylez]

that was a big rip!!! poor guy was just a friendly, but in war it doesnt matter.

[@EddieGonzalez-zm6vw]

😂😂😂😂

[@user-jd3pk1bz8e]

Horrific, they're like these guys in Bucha more or less

[@dragomiruzelac2227]

​@@user-jd3pk1bz8e Bucha, a small time fake story.

[@endorsedbryce]

Typical MAGA cultists if they got their way.

[@GustavoLopez-tk2dv]

If anything they need to disband the CIA

[@prometheus5405]

nah. CIA is the empire's hidden sword. Every country has their own agency.

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

Finally a sane comment

[@ZenityReal]

@@jasonarmstrong5750why would they disband the CIA?

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

@@ZenityReal the CIA is the worlds largest terrorist organization, bar none. They’re responsible for the overthrow of dozens of democratically elected governments all over the world, all in the name of protecting the corporate interests that line their pockets and at the expense of everyone else

[@yourthoughtssuck]

Nah, keep CIA and disband the NSA

[@RhysBarrett]

The movie wasn’t about sides, it was designed to show the horrors of being in a civil war. Showing the why a civil war begins just creates division on the viewer and takes away from the message that no one wins in a civil war.

[@TamTranTriZzle]

The film's makers have stated that it isn't about the reasons WHY Civil War erupted, but rather they wanted to do a film depicting a Nation in the midst of one.

[@PierreMontgomery]

Disbanding the FBI would make people angry? Does this guy live in America??

[@Femboy_Coco]

Clearly not he just said the FBI was responsible for intelligence and security. Bro that's what the Central Intelligence Agency and Homeland Security are for

[@Allthhegoodonesaretaken]

lol only maga thinks that, 😂😂😂

[@bishoprikor9190]

​@@Allthhegoodonesaretaken then maybe others should wake up to the countless atrocuties the FBI has been comitting for the last 70 years.

[@alw1762]

⁠​⁠@@Femboy_CocoFBI is responsible for domestic security and intelligence. CIA is for overseas security and intelligence. You’re obviously not American.

[@JackFirlow]

@@Allthhegoodonesaretaken “MAGA” this and “MAGA” that. You do realize you’re a grown adult right? Maybe start acting like one. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@prenticefaber9626]

Disbanding the FBI would not make a Texan angry.

[@macramequeenintheafternoon727]

Because Texas loves nothing more than governmental tyranny? Lmfao

[@morbid747]

Confiscating guns would.

[@PhoenixFires]

True, except he didn't kowtow to any one belief and instead ensured he held all the federal power to enrich himself. Something Texas only tolerates if you play the populist and at least pretend to give them what they want.

[@Todd_Swank]

Well, the people might be republican, but the politicians use the party as a means to be elected in TX. Check out how their legislation operates, they passed 100+ democrat policies while controlling the TX senate but cant pass 5 basic republican policies. And they impeached Ken Paxton for asking questions about a drunk speaker of the house last year.

[@travismeta3727]

@@morbid747100%

[@datboi9648]

I don’t know a single person who would be mad about the FBI being disbanded 😂😂

[@unrealent2009]

Disband the FBI, I don’t see a problem there.

[@Allthhegoodonesaretaken]

Yup this is the maga playbook

[@scottelders5090]

Then you don't understand what the FBI does.

[@Allthhegoodonesaretaken]

It’s magas playbook

[@JackFirlow]

Does the federal gov do more harm or good? The dude saying “that’s MAGA” above me is just plain ignorant. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Allthhegoodonesaretaken]

@@JackFirlow more harm than good?? 🤣🤣🤣 you you people need brains. That’s the only explanation.

[@Wolfiefoox]

Answer: they deliberately did not tell us Means people don’t fight over who’s right or wrong or not see the film because their political side loses Also means that we only experience the civil war the ways our protagonists experience it. Not with maps and politics but with first person experience Side note: the effect they did with photos and the noise cutting out was great

[@f-86zoomer37]

and yet you still see the trumptards here making big issues out of things that most people across the political divide should agree on: we should support democracy, journalism, and our law enforcement. Yet, the magatards say that it's muh biased because of how the movie portrays journalists favorably, or how the president is white and in office for three terms (something trump wants). So the issue isn't politics. It's that a significant portion of one side has been captured by extremists who will use terrorism to get their own way. They're a small segment but they're loud.

[@explosivestar1156]

Exactly. It also makes u bot know which side is the quote on quote bad guy which makes the movie better

[@westrim]

It's weird that people don't get this. Everywhere people assume it was dumb, instead of realizing it was blatantly intentional so people couldn't pick sides in the fictional conflict.

[@stevekerrskid3365]

Which made the movie about nothings and have no meaning. Was a complete waste of time

[@AdmiralNesence]

And i cant get invested in a conflict where i dont know why the people in it care so much. Why are the secret service willing to fight an entire army with nothing but mp5ks at the end of the film? Why are they willing to die for this? What is their motivation that they are willing to die pointlessly against overwhelming odds? Why should i care?

[@matthewmcneill301]

Never get in the pocket of a guy with a pig farm or a backhoe😂

[@VivaFrei]

Lol. Nobody would be upset if the FBI were disbanded.

[@HeliRy]

Gotta admit, I like how they aligned Texas and California. The President stayed on for a 3rd term and disbanded the FBI, so California is out. Then he likely revoked the 2nd Amendment along with the rest of the Constitution, and Texas followed suit. The film tells of how the 1st Amendment doesn’t exist anymore so it’s fair to assume none of them do now. And then the old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” likely happened so they joined forces.

[@Commodore22345]

When they said the 1st Amendment doesn't exist anymore, they were likely just referring to how many rights get suspended during times of war or other national emergencies. It doesn't necessarily mean the Constitution was officially done away with.

[@davyboy9397]

This comment deserves way more likes

[@user-bc4ur1sw2k]

Well said. I couldn't figure that part out. Thanks! 💛✝️

[@scottingalls8460]

@@Commodore22345Constitutional Rights do not get suspended during war.

[@Commodore22345]

@@scottingalls8460 Not officially, but it has happened in the past. For example, Lincoln suspended 5th Amendment rights during the Civil War and it was determined years after the fact that FDR's internment camps during WW2 were a violation of the Constitutional rights of Japanese Americans.

[@justinhageman1379]

The film didn’t explain it because it was irrelevant to the message of the movie

[@averageluka2388]

Exactly idk why so many people are distracted by the politics of the film. Of course California and Texas wouldn’t work together in real life, it’s another reason to look at the meaning and not what’s right in front of you. This same misunderstanding plagued “Annihilation” (same director) and people were so focused on the aliens that they disregarded the whole meaning behind the film.

[@johnnykapiszony56]

@@averageluka2388 because most people in america are so influenced by politics that they feel the need to have a political opinion and connect events from movie to rep/dem irl

[@Jaco059]

@@averageluka2388the meaning behind a movie matters little if it isn’t well executed who cares about a bad movie with a good message

[@MrGhettosmack]

​@@Jaco059because it isn't a bad movie? The hypothetical politics that lead to the war don't need to be super grounded in reality, if anything it helps the movie distance itself from current year politics, while remaining antiwar.

[@julietmike1018]

What was the message of the movie? I've been to war a few times and their portrayal of the "effects of war" was pretty fucking disrespectful. The use of wartime correspondents to do it was also a terrible move, as anyone who has gone to fight in war has a pretty universal hatred of journalists in warzones. If there was a message, it was squandered by terrible plot development, horrible inaccuracies, and extreme mischaracterizations of soldiers and combatants on the battlefield. The whole thing felt like it was written by a 12 year-old whose only idea of war has come from a public school classroom.

[@eggmancorp]

"Don't let them kill me"

[@CAPT1933]

Disband the FBI, ATF, IRS………

[@josho1994]

I think it’s intentional they didn’t explain it. The story’s main focus is on telling the story of the civil war through war photography. They want you to make up your own idea of what happened most likely

[@MatheusVenti]

Yeah, the way that the things are nowadays, if they explained why, people would focus only in the politics and not on the story.

[@MatheusVenti]

That's also why they allied CA and Texas

[@agustintellez136]

Like and agreed. Not sure if Texas and California teaming up helps or hurts that lol

[@MatheusVenti]

​@@agustintellez136 Yeah, but maybe is a way of show that the government became so bad that united liberals and consertives against it.

[@bigguy3636]

The problem is their base idea which we have to work with is dumb as hell

[@alfredovalverde9323]

How bout we disband the ATF 🤔

[@Strange_man1899]

Horrible idea

[@John-lw5xc]

​@@Strange_man1899 no we should disband the atf

[@Strange_man1899]

@@John-lw5xc we need stricter gun laws

[@Allthhegoodonesaretaken]

Huh you must make a lot of bombs.

[@SoLowKaspar]

​@@Strange_man1899no. We need better education around guns. The ATF is criminal

[@esquad5406]

Two term limit came in 1947. F.D.R. did 4 1/2 terms before he died.

[@HueroVat]

Freedom. It’s an allegory about liberty.

[@rostyawanaldy2402]

FBI disbanded? And ppl are angry about it? That's new

[@BingusDaCat876]

They should be angry, the FBI deal with some pretty serious issues.

[@Insider9467]

@@BingusDaCat876yeah they are busy arresting grandma for being at the capitol building

[@C-Culper4874]

@@Insider9467 And preachers at abortion clinics. They are going after some bad people.

[@angelgjr1999]

Iirc he disbanded the FBI because they looked into his shady behaviors. Much like what trump wanted to do…

[@MuchCow9000]

​@@Insider9467 typical commie answer

[@rasul407]

Elton John was pissed

[@Killdozer-do4mc]

>Texas and California working together >people upset about FBI being disbanded

[@joserafaeldiazmarrero7668]

That's part of the whole point -- the story being told is not about what caused the CW but about the effect it is having and how it is being viewed after it is already under way; in most civil wars we hear about the news media, pundits, the very soldiers fighting, often were NOT really tuned in until AFTER things got out of control. By the time of the events in the movie it long ago stopped mattering what was the original emergency that led to justifying the 3-term takeover, etc.

[@TheNightsWolfYT]

I’d think creating a new “super police” agency would get people more angry. Replacing current police forces.

[@justaman9957]

you forgot to mention that he also ordered air strikes on american citizens on american soil...

[@Treblaine]

That just raises more questions like... why? Did they show the president kicking a puppy and shout into the camera "I am a bad man, you should start a civil war to oppose me!" because that is as contrived. The writer is clearly so desperate to avoid showing any sympathy for any actual grievances that he had to contrive grievances.

[@froglifechannel]

Woodrow Wilson had govt troops kill US citizens. The 1914 Ludlow Massacre. Didn't keep him from finishing his term. Or reelection.

[@tacokoneko]

@@Treblaine or here's another alternative, you are a snowflake so your "grievances" are very contrived in comparison to actual grievances that people in syria, palestine, libya and iraq have when the USA bombs them

[@tacokoneko]

Israel is not part of NATO and is not protected by NATO article 5 so i believe USA should stop funding Israel and let them fight their war on their own. USA's military resources should be focused on building up around Poland and Finland to deter Russian aggression

[@noahharrison2717]

What’s crazy I feel is in the movie they didn’t seem bias towards a side more so so you have to pick who you rule with in the movie making it hard to see any good come from what is happening in it

[@Deathbytroll]

The only person who'd be mad the FBI was disbanded would be the cartels

[@alphaHero100]

Or any American who understands their function and importance. Grow up.

[@Deathbytroll]

@@alphaHero100 they don't pay you enough to work for murderers, fed

[@kaizermengele6669]

⁠@@alphaHero100we understand the function and importance, but has the FBI changed for the worse since Hoover? Yes. Grow up and learn your FBIs history in its original use and how it degraded into political witch hunts and pathetic cover ups You probably have no idea how Hoover ran the FBI, you probably don’t even know why it’s in shambles now 😂

[@patrickm6012]

The only person? The cartels 😂

[@AlphaStreetWolf]

​@alphaHero100 yaa they lost there way years ago disband the gestapo

[@2ANYS]

I hope they release like a “extended cut” where they include all the scenes they removed.

[@HabibFromTelAviv]

Do you think they removed a lot of important scenes in the final cut?

[@2ANYS]

@@HabibFromTelAviv For the final cut that was in theatres? I know they did. I watched all the trailers and was expecting one thing. Many of the more political scenes in the trailers that insinuated what the war was about were never in the movie when I saw it in theatres. It made the movie entirely different from what was advertised really. I think it would be a whole different movie without those scenes cut, so I’d say they were important ones. But unlike most movies where they cut scenes to shave time or make the plot make more sense, they cut these ones I believe not due to lack of importance, but because of the backlash received after they released the trailer that the movie may be too biased toward one side of the political aisle. So I think even the filmmakers were aware of the importance of those scenese and how it could change the movie, just wanted more viewers from both parties and less political controversy.

[@HabibFromTelAviv]

@@2ANYS oh wow that’s crazy. That makes sense though, they didn’t want to lose half of their potential business over political BS

[@pablentotz1989]

damn i'm waiting for this one.

[@timschmidt6741]

@@2ANYSI had the impression as well when I saw it. sometimes it seems like the connection between two scenes is missing. makes the movie and story kinda idk, choppy?

[@tilekt4248]

Soundtrack for this movie is my favorite part.

[@jamesknowles658]

It only appeared that one or two states fought against Texas and California. There was a number of times folks talked about other states and they all seemed to be places of safety. Colorado was mentioned, Missouri was mentioned etc.

[@williamfrederick9670]

They really had to make it as neutral and inoffensive a possible

[@grimtea1715]

To be fair if you went after a lot of those agencies (FBI, CIA, ATF, etc) I could see the organizations trying their hardest to take as much as they could with them.

[@longshucksgaming]

toss in ICE while you're at it

[@martinmethod427]

Or pick off the people wanting the abolishment. Just ask the CIA what they did with Kennedy...

[@BingusDaCat876]

⁠@@martinmethod427Kennedy theory is a work in progress

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@longshucksgamingFuck no. ICE is the only one that doesn’t kill Americans.

[@wiseoldwizard]

*The real question is, where can I get those sick red shades?*

[@jamesrosewell9081]

Wherever Elton John gets his eyewear from

[@kylahdorsey5211]

Jesse Plemons said he bought them at a vintage shop in Atlanta.

[@justanothergamer7918]

I feel like the purpose of the movie isnt really about why it happened but more about how it affects the people. Its a movie about War Journalists and the set piece is one personal to the journalists.

[@goldenmantis]

Nevermind that. Where did he get those red glasses?!

[@nekolare]

Average US citizen doesn't even know what happened in WW2: the movie

[@TCHC85]

If the USA and the Soviet Union can team up to fight Nazi Germany, then yeah, Texas and California could find a reason to team up together as well if the threat was great enough. But the reasons stated in this video are not great enough.

[@austinsavage5962]

I havent seen the movie but if los angeles and san francisco were destroyed it wouldnt be too far off that we would team up with texas

[@boitmecklyn4995]

exactly. when did/does reality ever make sense?

[@young.angry.devildawg]

That’s because the USSR and Nazi Germany have a lot in common in terms of economics and politics. They’re both socialist and they’re both antisemitic, albeit the Nazis more so than the Soviets, and the Soviets were anti-religion in totality. The 2 had a pact and alliance (the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) that was only broken when Hitler wanted to seize more ground that breached Soviet borders. Texas and Cali are literally on opposite sides of the spectrum.

[@belgianfried]

​@@young.angry.devildawg The difference is by foundation, the USSR is meant not to be anti-semitic, whilst the German Reich was. Also, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was that - a pact - don't go funny on the 1940 declaration of nonaggression between the Japanese Empire and the Soviet Union

[@the1truejoe178]

The Soviet Union did all the hard work. America just kinda sat in the back until they got hit and decided they wanted to be war criminals.

[@JCTheSniper15]

Literally no one would be upset by the FBI being disbanded. California and Texas would also never work together.

[@jimjones-bk2is]

This is actually a very powerful scene. I could totally see that happening, unfortunately.

[@Copium6921]

Bro you know you ffed up when Texas and California are working together

[@Lorgar64]

California would fight for a stronger central government, though...

[@PhoenixFires]

​@@Lorgar64Except they wouldn't. Like the MAGAts, the lefties in California are anti-American, anti-establishment contrarians. They would all make America worse earnestly trying to dismantle society while moderates have to baby them all and try to balance out their idiocies.

[@theenclave6254]

@@Lorgar64They did say it was likely the alliance would fall apart and turn in one another in the movie, didn’t they?

[@Lorgar64]

@@theenclave6254 It would never happen in the first place. That's the problem.

[@theenclave6254]

@@Lorgar64 Eh, I’d argue if whoever is in charge is sucking enough then they could. The right and left has united before. However, after they win? Yeah, they’re turning on one another

[@adamfaturrachman8957]

I think i read in one comments that the Director of this movie in one interview stated that he want to avoid real life politics as wide as he can, hence little info about the political background and "near imposible" scenario in the movie (California and Texas teaming up).

[@user-gh8wt2zi2n]

Presidential term limits were part of the original Constitution. We didnt have Presidential term limits until the 22nd Amendment was ratified in 1947. Franklin Roosevelt was actually elected for 4 terms but only made 3 months into his fourth term when he died. This is why the 22nd Amendment was passed.

[@jacksonhaslam2753]

Its also not just California and Texas. Theyre just leading the effort

[@arizonaicesuntea9922]

Tbf the FBI does more harm than good

[@ladelllarkins407]

Then we should also defund the police

[@BigAjia]

​@@ladelllarkins407I'm a fan of both

[@balapadmanabhan5705]

​@@BigAjiaThe amount of disrespect you hard left liberals have against law enforcement is mind boggling

[@prometheus5405]

if you're part of a radical organization then yes.

[@balapadmanabhan5705]

@@BigAjia delusional I fear

[@betabomber563]

Out of all the three letter agencies to disband, choosing the FBI is absolutely wild

[@BingusDaCat876]

It’s a weird one, it would cause problems but there are so many other institutions that take on similar responsibilities

[@leonlove1064]

Disbanding the FBI would be a good thing at this point

[@deco9863]

Disbanding the FBI would not upset most Americans

[@siahbillz]

See if they just disbanded the ATF everyone would be happy.

[@whoisgtsdk]

Honestly that would have been a way better and more contentious story beat.

[@mrbubblestea]

The FBI being disbanded would not make "many people angry." I'm pretty sure most people in America would be perfectly fine with that

[@samatrein8212]

If Biden exteded for a 3rd term and he or his circle was under threat of Federal investigation for corruption and he disbanded the FBI people would probaby rise. Also the FBI is still there to do a some kind of police investigation, disbanding it would put in its place the NSA or other sectet police/anti-insurgency/gestapo style federal entity

[@spht9ng]

If you think most people in america are wannabe terrorists maybe yeah

[@Neokretai]

Most Americans would if that happened as part of a power grab by an out of control President turning himself into a dictator.

[@rollym196811]

They rid of the FBI. That's the best thing happened in this movie.

[@DarranKern]

They think Texans like the FBI? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

[@snugy9]

The point of the movie was to show how horrible a civil war in modern times could cause but the audience raised a great question, a bit of background on the reasons would have been better

[@Lorgar64]

Then why did they make an elected official irredeemable evil, the establishment the objective good guys, and self-serving journalists the heroes? Film had saturday-morning cartoon writing.

[@Kirbyoto2098]

You can't talk about a war without talking about why the war was fought. War is hell and all, but if the USA had allowed the CSA to secede, there'd be a country with slavery and racism literally written into its constitution. So just saying "war is bad" is not a good moral. War is a tool of last resort, but it's still a tool.

[@sgrant4558]

California is the 5th largest economy in the world and Texas is the 9th, so it'd make sense that they would have the greatest ability to lead seceded states. But the real point of California and Texas being aligned is first to remove us from our current highly partisan mindset, and second to suggest that there are values a country should nevertheless come together on despite our other differences. If we think that there are not bigger issues that we should be aligned on no matter what - like the preservation of democracy in the face of fascism - then we have real problems. It's an attempt to hold a mirror up to our own society. The fact that we're all so incredulous about the idea of Texas and California coming together for any reason is an indictment of us.

[@thelastzoe91]

well said

[@sgrant4558]

@@thelastzoe91 Thank you!

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

I'm always impressed on how divided and vitriolic Americans are to each other. I rarely see that sort of hate from people that are raised in the same culture who from a foreign perspective are so similar in ideals but will literally kill each other over minor differences.

[@jacquestube]

I mean you do understand that that largest economy bulshit is all on paper and imaginary right? And it's largely Hollywood and silicon valley, it's not like it's a functioning economy where there's trade in and out all the time, it doesn't function like a country so it's pointless, Texas is oil is more globally relevant

[@sc9160]

@@oddursigurdsson9637 Not sure where you're from, but modern separatist movements in Europe have been far more violent than any partisan politics in the US. Northern Ireland, Corsica, Basque, Catalonia etc...

[@theoneandonly4577]

Getting rid of the very competent FBI wouldn’t make me mad.

[@theteob689]

why are you assuming people are mad about that? you missed the bombings and cities on fire? :D

[@Victor-py1kz]

The point of this movie is that it’s not why there’s a Civil War it’s that there is a Civil War

[@pasques]

the movie isn't about why. its about what would happen. they didn't waste time explaining the why.

[@Fordgroup00]

Yep

[@lampeater6699]

uhhh don’t you think that would be important?

[@frozzie108]

@@lampeater6699it’s so it’s not partisan.

[@Fordgroup00]

@@lampeater6699 Not in this particular instance

[@Mana-xd2tp]

People love wasting their time chasing ghosts.

[@jesusrivera2970]

I mean tbh giving the fact this came from the man who came up with 28 Days Later, the emptiness of the film was actually spot on, I went to see this in IMAX and with those wide-open shots you can just the abandonment which how it would be IRL if full-scale guerrilla/urban-warfare were to breakout, and also giving the fact that the FBI was disbanded in that universe it made since how other groups were armed to to the teeth especially the not so friendly ones (ifykyk)

[@Warhead88]

This is no real explanation. That’s what makes this movie so good. Because you never find a true answer.

[@noahmorgan6430]

I think the whole point is that thr movie wants to focus on the details of what a conflict would look like rather than the politics behind it. I kind of respect then for this

[@chancemiller3414]

If the FBI was removed no one would be mad most would be happy if you've ever took a look at what the declassified last 20 years

[@icin4d]

The FBI would be replaced by another agency, and undoubtedly local and more corrupt.

[@ROCKETMANN56]

People being angry the FBI was disbanded lol

[@user-us9vm4wk4d]

Watched this last night and it definitely could've used more details

[@virginiapicker]

The film explained it well enough, and respected the intelligence of the audience to connect the dots. Brilliant film.

[@Human_Person774]

FDR served 4 terms btw

[@jacielroblero13]

Yea because after fdrs death congress decided to set a limit of 2 terms per president

[@0_paz]

No 3.

[@deltasource56]

That was before the 22nd amendment was based in the 50s

[@BigAjia]

It's embarrassing you typed that publicly. Why do you think no one else served that long after him? They said it in your video and your history/government class kid

[@f-86zoomer37]

And many people were uncomfortable with that, causing his VP turned President Harry Truman to quickly pass the presidential term limit in the constitution. But during FDR's presidency there was no 22nd Amendment, so it was technically legal, and "two terms" was just convention and an unwritten rule people followed. Also it was during world war 2 so you have to consider that. Obviously today, if Trump were to rig the courts and the justice system to allow him to stay in office for a third term, then people would actually rebel and have just cause to do so.

[@coolshipvids]

I hate how the takeaway has been people confused about texas and cali

[@theteob689]

they don't know history... or the reality of war :D for them it's a football match

[@herrdoctor2895]

The only thing that can unite a Liberal California and Conservative Texas, breaking the Constitution, truly the greatest love story

[@noirekuroraigami2270]

The FBI is literally the arm of the president, why would he disband it 😂

[@Zman9042]

It was definitely a different way to do the movie, but I personally loved it. Politics and the “why” wasn’t the focus or even discussed. We start while it’s happening and follow reporters till it ends. The filmmaker even said he didn’t want to focus on politics, just how fucked up a real civil war is. For that, he nailed it perfectly and it was both dystopian and frightening to see

[@cassu6]

I totally agree with you. Very refreshing point of view. I particularly loved the sniper scene where they just said “he’s trying to kill us and we are trying to kill him” when the reporters asked which side they belonged to. I think that quite well summed up the point. The sides didn’t matter it’s just shit for everyone

[@mylittlepkle1714]

"he didnt want to focus on the politics" the movie is literally filled with politics

[@spht9ng]

@@mylittlepkle1714 Yeah but it's all fictional politics. It doesn't mirror the modern day political climate at all

[@Kirbyoto2098]

Utterly braindead to pretend politics don't matter in a war. Are we going to act like World War 1 and World War 2 are the same because they were both fought against Germany? No, one was an imperialist boondoggle and the other was a reaction to a genuine threat.

[@filthycasual8187]

@@spht9ng Exactly. There's no way in hell California and Texas would work together.

[@remyshim3136]

I feel like what’s even more overlooked was that he was responsible for shutting down the water supply to the people of NY as well. Now, at first I believed it was mainly due to the western forces, but first of all, why would the western forces target New York if their main objective was Washington DC, and why would they intentionally hurt civilians and noncombatants? It was also stated the president utilized AIRSTRIKES on PROTESTERS beforehand, which, was a key example in the beginning scene. Because those jets were not the western forces, but the “United states’”. All in all, there are a lot of reasons why the two states seceded, although you REALLY gotta look close to the details. Like how, no allied country of the US tried assisting the president. You also have to note that if California and Texas join in arms together, they hate the president so much that they see it necessary to work together. Also also, I noticed (my dad noticed) that during the final battle in Washington D.C., there was a soldier of the Delta force, which was signified on his helmet. Now, if one of, if not THE most tactical operation group in the military is rebelling against the presidency, then it’s no wonder why there’s a whole civil war. (Not to mention the enormous gas prices) Side note: not every soldier is WF affiliated or US affiliated. The (racist) soldiers dumping the bodies of minorities were rogues, as well as the snipers. It just goes to show how there are those who are neutral, and how they can either just be surviving, or doing whatever the hell they want. And if the “what kind of American” guy was a western force soldier, then I would speculate he wouldn’t be too ecstatic that a BLACK WOMAN was the one to put down the president. All in all, fantastic film that plays a message in multiple different aspects. This is the kind of “shock and awe” more people need to see nowadays.

[@cassu6]

I think even this film that was quite clear in its messaging will go over the heads of most viewers. Especially americans (sorry guys)

[@mandingogrande9243]

Well said

[@Fatblue246]

Boston to Washington is all within a 5 hour commute to one another, so realistically if you were to try to strike at one of the cities you'd wanna disrupt flow of traffic and goods between the other's, otherwise there is just too many resources flowing in to assist them. All the cities in the Boston-Washington chain are in a Megalopolis, it isn't really sound to think of them as isolated areas. On top of that it likely was a straight up lie. In the beginning of the movie the President is making a speech about military gains being made, meanwhile immediately after that is said there is an air strike right near the main character's hotel which is deep in Union territory at the time. Then they hit the highway in PA, also supposed to be in deep Union territory, and it had been entirely decimated militarily speaking. So clearly the USA had devolved to severe authoritarian rule at this point in the war and were just straight up lying with propaganda to the people. The characters make analogies to rulers like Saddam who overestimated their populaces loyalty etc. and I think the point here is that this president had truly reached that point. It is very likely that the USA had very little control over a lot of the territories they claimed were probably at the point of having control solely over the northeastern corridor where the historic seat of the federal government has always been. So the water going off very well may have been because of the war and they were propagandizing it so as to not appear like they were losing. We know there are at least 15 states that officially declared secession and 2 major alliances of those seceded states are engaged in a war with the federal government(the Florida Alliance and the Western Forces). The characters in the film, Sammy in particular, makes a lot of analogies to the race to Berlin with the current situation, and that this is very much an "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation and he says in the film "as soon as they are done with him they'll tear each other apart". Joel also briefly mentions "Portland Maoists" and we can see them embed with an unmarked Boogaloo boys aesthetic armed group fighting union forces. In fact, no group they run into besides the WF at the end and Union forces being killed is ever really identified or willingly identifies themselves. So I think your assumption of their being way more factions would be 100% accurate, and in fact IMO was a large point in the movie in trying to paint the ethical and moral questions around war time journalism. The Syrian civil war that has been going on is a great example of this in real life. That war has hundreds of factions all working together in very loose coalitions that shift quite often depending on the current political climate, all trying to depose Assad. For journalists it becomes pretty hazy pretty quickly on the ground in terms of who they are actually embedded with. There have been cases where they think they are with democratic forces and in turn come to find out they were with an Islamist group etc. So this fog of war in the movie is relatively accurate.

[@Fatblue246]

@@cassu6 most people commenting on the movie likely haven't actually seen it. This movie just came out at a really bad time, America is too hyper politicized atm and "civil war" has been a buzzword here for a minute. You have to keep in mind politics in the US have become WWE tier in terms of spectacle and dialogue, if you throw the words "civil war" out there you are begging to attract midwit brain rot tier commentary. Everyone I know who has actually seen it really has enjoyed it regardless of their personal political ilk. Brain rot mfs just cannot get out of the context of current American politics in regard to anything, and will always find a way to make analogies or try and fit it into conversation, this one is just a really easy target for obvious reasons.

[@remyshim3136]

@@Fatblue246 I do appreciate the shared sentiment, but I would be skeptical that the western forces would continue air striking a city that already lacked water and electricity in civilian sectors. I would see it as a waste of Resources, and why would they air strike people at a water truck that were even starting to protest and riot against the government?

[@realestatephotovideoshawns1177]

The current day real story would put that story to shame

[@whiskywolff]

Commifornia and Texas joining together what a good jocke

[@liaratsoni8556]

I think a lot of people are kinda missing it. The point of the movie doesn’t seem to actually depict a realistic scenario. And that’s what they were going for. California and Texas teaming up is kinda absurd. But that’s the point.

[@frostwang6557]

but that's the issue, the movie is titled civil war, it was advertised as a movie about a civil war, and then it does not portray it well

[@liaratsoni8556]

@@frostwang6557 You tell me how they could show a non-partisan civil war for fun viewing without making it insanely political

[@kojikashiin319]

Yeah, that was the point. And the point of Akame ga Kill was to be edgy and kill off as many characters as possible, but the world building there was also vague and lacking. Just because a story accomplishes what it sets out to do doesn’t mean it’s competently written.

[@audreyrewinded]

​@@liaratsoni8556Why not make it political? There's nothing wrong with a movie that has political messaging unless you can't handle people having different opinions

[@frostwang6557]

@@liaratsoni8556 if it's a movie about civil war and it is not political, how is it good you tell me

[@Idkoogabooga4]

I get why people hated them getting rid of the fbi, they should have done the atf instead