What the New Town of Salem 2 Changes Mean for YouTubers

[@DaShikuXI]

In a social game about lying, your profile name should never be visible to others you match up with for a game, regardless of who you are.

[@Arteqy]

I think that anonymous mode was a great addition to ToS2, and it's change is really bad not only to youtubers, but also to regular players. I've been playing this game almost from the beginning and have seen a lot of people getting reghunted just because someone doesn't like then IRL or anything like that. In conclusion, I agree with all this video had to offer and think you should be able to play peacefully.

[@aaronblasco5190]

i always use the same name and just dumb down my gameplay, so at the end, everyone knows its me, but i am a Pandora box who never knows who the heck is himself. It worked for over a year

[@Silentlib]

Anonymous mode could be seen through with a mod on tos 2

[@SatinFoxx]

My question is: why are user names EVER visable? Like: get generic names when put in a lobby, give people the chance to change them at the start of each round, and track bans through the backend without revealing a players ID. Why is this not the standard?

[@Iciest_Ice]

It's nice to be able to see other peoples names in the lobby, so you can quickly confirm that you joined your friend's lobby, for example. Though there should a way to hide your name if you wish to. Anonymous mode was exactly that. Idk why it was gone but I want it back

[@bladehoon]

@@Iciest_Ice if they wanted to prevent stream sniping they could implement a mode where all names are jumbled, though I feel like this would take away from the fun of seeing everyone's names

[@ShugoAWay]

So players can spot the frequent gamethrowers (like mimyuu) and can prove their gamethrowing was intentional

[@bladehoon]

@@ShugoAWay mimyuu's a gamethrower?? I thought they were part of pipes close friend group

[@ShugoAWay]

@bladehoon yeah but he frequently gamethrowers with his obnoxious 3rd person sentences and beyond questionable choices in game that always benefit pipe both being a massive problem

[@brettbolte6714]

A simple change could be to not allow friend requests in anon mode, or only show the name if they accept

[@devangoad]

Instead they removed the feature? Truly odd, like the solution was right there and they chose otherwise

[@Voidsealer]

I play Tos2 with IRL friends and we use anonymous mode to make games fair for us all so we don't who each other are, so we were a bit disappointed by this change as well, I can't imagine how youtubers feel.

[@talithmara2589]

As someone who used anonymous mode purely for peace of mind, this hurts. I tend to use the same username a lot of places, and I've been harassed for it in the past. My Steam name was the same as my Switch Online name? Oh freaking boy, you better believe that someone who got butthurt that I was playing the game instead of having a "Squid Party" (gamethrowers who just spam emotes and the form change button instead of playing) in Splatoon found me and forced me to set my profile and messages to friends only because how dare I ruin their fun by not joining the gamethrow, am I right? Games are supposed to be fun. But any game with any kind of PVP element will see people taking things too seriously. I, myself, use the "TIs post now or you'll be reported for gamethrowing; hang all late claimers because they're evil or gamethrowing" strategy to bait as Veteran, which is aggressive and could potentially make some people feel pretty bad if they have anxiety issues and are afraid to say anything (but obviously working to overcome them if they're playing a game like ToS! I speak from personal experience.) Nobody's perfect. People make mistakes. And people get upset about those mistakes. Not just the people who made them, but the people who suffered as a result of them. It can get way too easy to get annoyed at one specific player, like "how could they do that" and just try to eliminate them early whenever you see them just to get them out of the way so "they stop sabotaging your games." (My own pet peeve, if it wasn't obvious, was TIs who refuse to post. I almost started keeping a list of players I saw doing that before I realized I was going too far for a game and stopped. For all I know they could have been new players!) So yeah, I really hope they bring back Anonymous mode. I do think that the potential abuses are less of a problem than what Anonymous mode prevents, even before getting into streamers and Reghunting.

[@lordcoolington]

very well said. i myself am unfortunately someone with pretty bad social anxiety (i’m working on it!! baby steps, haha), and social or pvp games, especially ones where people can get kinda intense (i’ve definitely seen people freak out!), become downright unplayable for folks such as myself without anonymous mode. people can become very harsh and do stupid things online, but measures like anonymous mode create a layer of safety. i really do hope they bring it back, and improved. so far the devs seem to be good people, so i’m certain they’ll listen to these gripes soon, especially since it so badly effects their most loyal players (ie; regulars).

[@Dascia2]

You're one of those players I agree with a lot and I'm glad take charge in games, but like you said... But I'm also still a newish player and make rookie mistakes. I once got hanged in traitor mode because I had written my will, posted it and was 2nd on the list. Apparently no one had read my will because I did post and I tried to say my role but I always get Sheriff and Invest confused. I don't remember what one I was but I said the other in my panic on being on the stand. After that, people saw my user name which was the same as my in game name at the time and I got hung/killed nearly every first day till I quit for 2 months. I didn't know about anon mode until I saw that some people just have random names/houses in every youtube video and someone in the comment section clued me into Anon mode.

[@SJ431]

I used Anonymous mode as well. It's how me and my friends can play together without teaming because we aren't sure who is who. I thought it was a good system for things like that personally

[@woobgamer5210]

i mean thats just a self-regulation issue, me and my friend play together all the time and we kill each other if neccessary (like town power) sometimes i decide 'you know im pirate, it would be funny if i killed my friend first or last to progress to my win'

[@CailVT]

You got a Point here, besides the reghunter stuff. I used to play with anon mode, because I was afraid of people flaming me for mistakes I made games after. w/o anon mode, I would have taken way longer to start play ranked practice I believe.

[@_httpkirby]

I watch a lot of ToS and ToS2 content and I first tried the game in ToS2. I was super nervous and made a big blunder at final 3, losing town the game; anon mode is what lets me feel comfortable in online games where people get really heated. I honestly don't feel super comfortable coming back without that protection, and the friend request exploit should have been fixed WITHOUT removing Anon Mode.

[@ickabug957]

@@James-fs4wr You obviously don’t understand what’s happening here.

[@BryanLu0]

​@@James-fs4wrWhat's happening is you can be identified before the game starts in the lobby. This is not mitigated by choosing a random name during the round, because everyone in the lobby already knows you are in the lobby.

[@James-fs4wr]

@@BryanLu0 Ah shit i thought it was the same as TOS1 my bad

[@BryanLu0]

@@James-fs4wr Adagia literally explained it in the video

[@RenShinomiya121]

This is also way more apparent in Ranked/Ranked Practice. I rarely use Anonymous mode, but i do understand the reason that mode exists. I often goof around in RP but i can play seriously when needed, and when i start playing good in lobbies, people started to recognize my tendency to use certain names coupled with my character. Soon, you'll realize that Coven want you out if you're not in their team, Town will sus you out if you're not dead n1, TIs will all go on you n1, and TPs want you alive if you're not coven. I don't mind dying n1, which means i can just kick back and relax at times. But i hate it when evils started keeping me alive and hold the game hostage when i'm a role that can't do anything during the endgame like a TI, simply because they want me out of the lobby since "i played too good compared to the others". I still rarely use Anonymous mode, simply because i meet the same people often times, and just goof around doing stupid roleplay with names and stuff, but when the reghunters started popping in, i usually just dip. Haven't played the game for the past 3 weeks since i'm busy irl, so i think nobody really remembers a random Jackie with an all Pumpkin themed decoration. But the removal of Anonymous mode really hurts the people who wanted to avoid these guys. Especially All Any players, since they have more people playing.

[@lang5cott]

I really enjoyed playing in anon mode because even as someone who's been playing town of salem for 7 years I still make mistakes and I have been reg hunted for it so it was nice to know that it was always a choice to turn it back on if I was concerned about that becoming a problem again. I hope they add it back, even if they just add it for content creators that's better than no one having it

[@spockamania]

The fact they used an anon account but deleted others' ability to is so comical

[@curtising]

This was done because the nature of the event was everyone being friendly in all games, if you knew you weren't in a lobby with a developer then there wouldn't be an incentive to be nice to others.

[@Silentlib]

​@@curtisingcommon Curtis L?

[@fauxparadox]

BMG has been extremely communicative and listening to creators and players, so i hope this video leads to some change.

[@pumpyinsertpumpkinemote5059]

Anonymous mode is in my opinion required for a game like this to avoid harrasment and reghunting

[@VGMelodies]

Aw dang, they really removed that? I use it a bunch, mostly for the random customizations, but I used to play some other social deduction games a while ago, and having an anonymous mode really helps with the people that can't let a grudge go, or people that seek you out to make your experience miserable. Makes "oopsies" or bad decisions feel that much worse when you think someone might head-hunt you for it. Hopefully they can bring it back, it's a comfort to have!

[@lyudmiltsekov8557]

It was not only used by youtubers, I used it all the time in both ranked and and all any.

[@TerraByron]

Adagia makes great art. Hope this issue gets fixed so you can play again soon.

[@RightyRonaldo]

1:53 I recently just played my first TOS2 match and I ended up accidentally throwing in the final standoff. I would've picked anonymous mode in a heartbeat knowing i'd do something like that, now i'm too embarassed to get on the game again lmaoo

[@proxz14]

I'd just like to add to this, as I am seeing a lot of community backlash about the anonymous mode change that there have been many solutiouns being discussed between content creators and devs on discord, and some of those are really promising. I get that everyone is upset about a useful feature being gone, but eventually its just a step taken by BMG in order to implement a better solution to replace it. I do not know when we will see a change on the situation, but it is confirmed that this will not be the last change. Some solutions which have been discussed so far include; 1. A Block system so that if a user streamsnipes/reghunts you, you can just prevent yourself from being in the same lobby with them. This can also be used by the average playerbase to avoid gamethrowers and other people. 2. Giving everyone anonymous mode in the pre-game lobby, and only having chosen names after the game begins. 3. Allowing players to enter the lobby with a nickname. Remember, if all else fails BMG can still revert back to anon mode within a few minutes if they wish to do so. If you guys do have ideas on how you think this problem can be fixed, you can add them as a reply to this comment.

[@HaapsaluYT]

W Take. As much as removing anonymous mode sucks, the mode was problematic for game throwing (Pyro said it themself).

[@KingFroozy]

Block system is a very good suggestion imo, though, I think, they could just get the anon mode back and leave it separated with "random customisations" option, and just provide us with features to both to make it better.

[@wraxiusgaming]

No way its the Proxz14, another content creator who has been negatively affected and can vouch I saw this exact outcome happening if they ended up removing it all together.

[@NandolfBlockbuster]

Damn, guess I'll have to blacklist everyone I play with whenever I make a bad call that I can't live down.

[@Adagia]

I’m not sure this is supposed to be publicly known, Proxz. Pyro said to keep everything from that chat confidential. I got special perms from Shape to discuss the reasoning for anon mode’s removal, as that was also discussed in the chat.

[@Nekrotix12]

Imagine if you brought your car in for a small repair, and when you got back, your car was completely destroyed. That's how BGM solved the issue, the system can't be broken if there is no system at all!

[@Dascia2]

I get reg hunted pretty frequently because when I was new I made some rookie mistakes. Anon has been helping me get confidence back in the game. I'm not playing either.

[@Underworlder5]

how dare beginners make mistakes while they are learning a game with an extremely high learning curve? everyone should just start with in depth knowledge on the entire game and automatically adopt the perfect mentality for playing properly. because obviously, the best way to make a game thrive is to make it an exclusive club for pro players and shoo away anyone who dares upset that status quo

[@theepictroll5926]

aha! jokes on you ada, I still got flamed by townies all game when I didn't shoot as deputy. generally though I agree nervousness is way more of an issue than lack of ability to learn, especially when it feels like a lot of players don't like newbies.

[@Mihaugoku]

hey ada! i understand your concern. some games feature "streamer modes" now that can hide names and such so that your identity is hidden from other players. especially with a smaller game and one of this genre, where you're more likely to face specific people, this should be a norm. sad that it's gone, hopefully it comes back stronger than before.

[@techteen3000]

I still feel that way where I’m not confident with my fake claims and I’m scared I might be wrong or hit a jailed target

[@AStupidPinkDragon]

We need something called "False Mode" where client side it would show up as your normal profile. But you could set yourself a desired name. And that would show instead to others.

[@ReneePrower]

I'm right there with you, Ada. I don't even use anon mode, myself, but on principle I won't be playing another match until they either bring it back or introduce some even better solution. This isn't fair to y'all.

[@boomerangthrower3961]

1:32 I still don't try risky fake claims. I've got a lot of games under my belt from both ToS 1 and 2, but in ToS 2, I've only fake claimed Tracker as Jester. I don't even claim Seer often because I'm worried that my luck will have me claiming that a Mayor and a Deputy are enemies.

[@alizah8042]

Your stance is entirely reasonable and I hope they bring anon mode back soon!

[@krisfog8908]

The thing I think resolves this issue, is to allow specific youtubers and people who have been reghunted/harassed/mocked/flamed multiple times (and provide proof) to be able to change their account name for free.

[@I3ladeDragon]

I don't even play this game, but I agree with ya.

[@SasCreations2024]

As someone who streams the game, anon mode was lovely when i really just wanted to rando hop in lobbies and get soem fun content for my vod channel. with anon mode gone..its really dsicouraging.... i really hope anon mode is added back.,

[@Bruce_P-Z]

I don’t use anonymous mode personally but I have a couple friends including streamers who do and it’s honestly annoying when I see reghunters and my friends know that I always use google RNG to choose N1 or if no real info N2 stuff, no matter what. I have turned anonymous mode on a couple times but it was on bad days. I have a feeling a couple of youtubers like you are gonna stop playing until some form of it comes back

[@Mr60Gold]

A damn shame. I hope you and other youtubers will be able to enjoy TOS2 again soon enough with better changes happening as soon as possible. A potential solution that could work would be to make anonymous mode assign a randomly generated username instead, one that could feasibly pass as a player username, making it seem like just any other player (that way stream snipers and people hunting for players would no longer be able to just limit their search to the people that look to be in anonymous mode). As another comment I seen suggested, having your real name only appear when you accept the friend request would also be a good call to avoid that exploit from happening again. Lastly there is the option of adding customization options when the match begins. It could be limited to only your skin, house, path and outer decorations. Then just have the building order be randomized and now there would be almost no way to figure out which one is the person they want to target as for all they know, they could've changed everything about their character (This obviously comes with the drawback of having to increase the waiting time when people are choosing their names but comes with the side benefit of allowing more customization during games and to sell the deal, if they removed the 1 skin cap (only 1 werewolf player, etc) then there truly would be no way to deduce who is who) Personally these are all the things that came to mind for me, I think the third option might be the most effective for this but it would also likely be the most work to implement. Once again, best of luck to the youtubers for suggesting stuff to the dev team about this.

[@citrisaurora1182]

I found every aspect of this video to be true and very accurate. I am a non-youtuber on the old version that hasn't played in a long time, but I started having multiple people trying to name themselves after me or a different veriation of it and would continuously bother me through the game. I even left a randomized pre-game lobby only to end up randomly going into the same one, but without the person doing it there. They clearly are responding to me being present and I have no idea why. So, even though I haven't played the new one, I understand that being recognized and targeted for it is not fun.

[@piesoup]

I'm not even creator but Anon mode is absolutely the best feature in this game. I'm not going to open this game ever again if this mode gone forever.

[@kirinashia567]

I don't know about all ToS youtubers, but I've always been put off the point of anon mode when someone seemingly always picks out someone like Pipetron (And I may've done it myself before). And honestly, some players will really target you for protection or killing even based off your temporary lobby name. I know I've had a LOT of both of those when my temp name was an anime femboy, for instance. Of course, even with that said, I don't really think they should have streamer mode/incog either. Although I do not personally feel pressured, you bring up good points about many players worrying about their public image/people yelling or complaining. And at the end of the day, if it's implemented well, streamer modes should never hurt to implement. If there hadn't been the friend request workaround, there would've been very few potential issues.

[@NunnyNugget]

Hi adagia - this video definitely is covering an important topic. However I think there is an important side to this which wasn't fully adressed, being the issue of people abusing this mechanic in games to evade bans and cause issues. You did bring up part of it in people reghunting using it using the exploit, however it was also sadly used quite frequently by some nasty people to sneak into lobbies despite being blacklisted, and even without the friend exploit it was still often used. The thing is as well not everybody wants to be in anonymous mode either, but due to the prevelance of this issue it began to seriously cause some problems which is why there was a lot of backlash to the feature, and its ultimate removal as of right now. I think there definitely needs to be a middleground, but it was sadly causing some pretty major issues and it couldn't be left as it was!! :(

[@spockamania]

That sounds like a dev issue? There is no reason you shouldn't be able to report an anon and for it to stick. Reports should always go to player id, not whatever their screen name is in a specific game. And player id is not something that would have to be given to the person filing the report. Moreover, since it's a paid for game only on Steam, that should address 99% of issues; there are tools to ban entire accounts from accessing your game. Even if you are concerned with someone creating a new Steam account and buying a new copy of the game to bypass an account ban, Steam gives tools to developers that are more extreme; IP or hardware bans. You don't need to find a middleground when you can have your cake and eat it, too! That's just giving devs a pass to take the easy route. That said, I don't know ToS2 as well; I didn't know there wasn't a non-anon mode. That is kind of a disappointment. That might need some middle ground considerations as I know I personally like usernames/custom names!

[@NunnyNugget]

@@spockamania keep in mind the devs are only a small team! Especially when it comes to deep rooted situations with ambiguity, for example a bad player who joined a streamer’s lobby with malicious intent on anon mode (like intentionally reg hunting players in the lobby), it begins to cause issues when players in the lobby do not know who is really there, and basically have to guess if they should file a report or not. The developers then are basically required to pick up on whether it seemed intentional or not and… it gets messy incredibly quickly. This isn’t just a hypothetical either, this is sadly an incredibly common issue caused by Anon mode. Although it is good for people to be able to hide their identity from bad players, issues arrive when bad players can hide their identity from others is the main problem. And like you said, people should be allowed to play the game! It’s not fair for people to be forced into a chain reaction of playing anon mode because there are bad people in public lobbies who will hunt players they don’t like. Essentially there really isn’t an easy route to this!

[@spockamania]

@@NunnyNugget I feel like there were already solutions in the first one to this sort of issue. That said, I do think there are "easy" solutions (just let people choose their display name each match, have a streamer mode that hides their/all players names, give moderators access to see steam names overtop anon replacements, etc all seem super valid to me with only some tweaking to make practical). There just aren't quick/low effort fixes for the devs (and probably not fun/flashy things to work on). ToS2 came out how many months ago? I know it's not an instant solution sort of thing, but they've had some time to think about this since release (and post release bug fixes), so I'd have hoped more movement in their resolution idea by now than just open communication with streamers after turning a feature off with very little to the community directly that also uses it. But that's just me. I've just seen a lot of really shitty devs over the years and am just pessimistic despite these ones showing they're not malicious at the very least. I apologize for being overly negative and do genuinely hope a resolution is come to in a reasonable time!

[@xyzzy75]

@@NunnyNugget If you can't afford to moderate your chat game then you have a failed product.

[@StarshadowMelody]

3:26 I like the sharp angles on that hair.

[@FethrPersonal]

I've only watched ToS2. If I knew there was an Anon mode, I probably would of actually downloaded and played myself. But, seeing that this is removed I guess I'll stay as a viewer. People can be downright brutal when it comes to things like misplays, and they definitely hold grudges in basically every other game. WoW guilds, Runescape clans, Guild Wars groups, hell even New World companies all earn reputation that make playing the game much different than being a solo, even if you're a "nobody" in those groups. In a game where there's ~ 500-700 average players online, it gets rather easy to recognize the players who are on during your normal playtime. As you said, targeting of specific players, lobby dodging, and general toxicity is definitely going to increase imo. Best of luck to all ToS2 YT'ers.

[@boomnukeshroom]

wait, so their idea to stop players from abusing Anonymous mode and friend requests to target other players is to... remove Anonymous mode all together making targeting others even easier?

[@kylezaking]

I also will be taking a break until anon mode comes back since I hate dealing with the metagaming in regular lobbies whenever it comes up, and also because I dread being recognized in future games. Just ruins the whole game for me.

[@vanillajellyfish]

I think part of the reason they removed is that, according to staff, it helped reghunters and trollers more than it stopped them.

[@Devilhand21]

I think the only reason this happened was because of the friend request issue. Anon mode itself isn't a problem from what I'm seeing and hearing, but something that is incredibly simple to solve and the staff went to an unneeded and unwanted extreme.

[@lorathian]

@@Devilhand21 they actually fixed the friend request exploit in the same patch they removed anon mode lol

[@Devilhand21]

@@lorathian Removing anon mode was the extreme I was talking about. And it's as I said in my own comment, I don't understand the thought process of removing anon mode.

[@lorathian]

@@Devilhand21 oh, no I’m just pointing out that they fixed the actual source of the problem since it didn’t seem like you, like many people here, were aware. There wasn’t one as far as I can tell. Closing the friend request exploit literally solves the problem, so it’s unclear if they just didn’t understand the problem properly to begin with, they’re trying to maintain good graces with people who didn’t actually understand the problem properly to begin with, or what.

[@SirenPandaSabo]

As a creator who isn't a professional for this game, I really need the Anon bit back as I have made silly plays as well. Not going to lie but I have always been hyper vigilant about seeing people in games that may cause issues for me.

[@aptokro3005]

Why not add an option like "hide my username from other players until game ends". I think they will add a similar option like that

[@Steam_bot3000]

steambot when? that's the real question

[@jumnei5159]

3:25 I thought notadagia was an octoling

[@Adagia]

YO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCH A GOOD IDEA NOOO 😭

[@calebwhales]

I recognise there's nuance to the problem, but even at first principles, removing anonymity from a social deduction game is at direct odds with its soul and spirit. I'm also a little unsure what this helps curb. Is there a large base of people who are very pro this change?

[@HaapsaluYT]

While I do understand the sentiment behind this video, I don’t really think anonymous mode was fully beneficial. However I do agree that removing it causes a problem for streamers. The issue is reghunters make it so much more difficult for everyone else…hooray. Hopefully devs find a solution, but I don’t think the previous feature is the solution

[@JaySliZe]

Yea thats a really huge double standard if the Devs/whoever working there know the problems and actively have to use Anon accounts

[@Saynkt]

Plot twist: make an alternate account with an OBS overlay that mimics TOS art style & changes your name.

[@superl8296]

Im glad this is being talked about this change is really silly and the problems with Anonymous mode can be fixed so so easily with something as simple as an Anonymous tag. Im not a youtuber and I still rely on Anonymous mode to avoid harassment (im not a thrower or anythng people are just really mean). Even thought it doesnt change much having that extra barrier makes me feel safe in a game thats so full of toxicity. All they really need to do to fix impersonation and throwers that abuse the system is have the system adapt to that. It seems so simple i just dont get it Edit: Just finished the video and im really glad you mentioned non youtubers use of it! Im really nervous the solution theyll come up with is having to apply to be a content creator to be able to use Anonymous mode. Also I really hope the stream sniping thing wasnt the main reason they got rid of it. Its such a non issue that Anonymous mode has specifically other than a few bugs that can be patched (Anonymous mode is supposed to be a solution to that lol??)

[@KM-ql4eb]

Yeah, Ada, I agree. i love to watch you and Pipe play but I don't play. The learning curve is too steep and people are very toxic.

[@kzillalizard9511]

Not only youtubers, Anonymous mode was helpful for twitch streamers as well.

[@Seekerz3996]

Cant say i have had a reghunt experience, closest was a troll in tos1 who got mad i exed him because i had him jailed a night prior with no maf kills, rejailed and exed him, he was a vampire. The second night i had him, he was cussing me out rather then defending himself. In the game after, i got jester, and he was invest, and he went for me n1. He pushed and pushed to have me lynched assuming i was hm. Woulda been a great jester win, i went along claiming vamp aftergetting rb'd by consorts and using a spywill to expose mafia. Almost won, town decided i wasnt a good lynch over mafia, and mk the night after got me out.

[@Devilhand21]

Yikes, removing anon mode is a really bad idea and don't get the thought process for removing it as it wasn't the problem. One of the people made a good suggestion to prevent this from happening. Don't allow friend requests to anon mode people period. This fixes it so you don't get followed around and harassed by the same people time and time again. Sorry to hear that you won't be playing this game until they fix the problem being addressed.

[@noahthesk]

wow the fact that they removed it is crazy imagine being new to the game and getting pounded into the ground because you make a mistake I swear this game has a hostile environment and if you don’t know everything you’ll be absolutely fucked because all of a sudden you’re the problem not the people not doing anything to help you learn instead they will harass you i’ve seen it in plenty of videos if there’s a new player they have to learn somehow but you don’t have to absolutely make them regret getting the game like Jesus The hostility never ends does it?

[@jaeusa160]

Good luck. Less anonymity options are always worse in games.

[@jakecooper5514]

Very informative video. Not trying to be toxic but its kinda funny since you use Adagia everygame lol. Youre really good tho even pipe is scared of you

[@Adagia]

Lmao as soon as I hit the reply button, the edit refreshes LOL. Lemme respond to that instead: I haven’t really used my name in random lobbies in years now. I sometimes use it when we stack the lobby with premades though, since ik they won’t target me intentionally and we have a rule about using RNG N1, Pipe’s one of those people and since we’ve been playing together for years, we know quite a bit about each other’s playstyle haha. Appreciate the compliment

[@jakecooper5514]

​​@@Adagia omg I saw your first version right after I edited and was like "ohhhhh nonono plsno " then your edit came up 😂😂 Also I haven't even played ToS since forger came out so I idk what I'm saying-- will support the protest for anonymous mode lol!

[@Adagia]

@@jakecooper5514 LOL no worries, no worries. I was just confused for a sec

[@SnowFaceChamcham]

Pardon my ignorance, haven't touched ToS since ages before 2 came out, but how is it possible to target people between games if they can only see the name you have set for the current match?

[@lorathian]

You can see the real username between rounds For ToS1, it would be the pre-game queue. For ToS2, there’s a pre-game lobby where everyone just kinda wanders around and checks out each others houses. And before the fixed the Anon Mode exploit, you could see the real username on your side of the friend request that shows it’s pending

[@qberrygamz7049]

So wait the bug was that they could send friend request mid game. Then they fix the bug and remove the thing. Why so why not just put it back. I'm not a youtuber and i usually use the same name each game. But If anonymous mode worked well but had a few bugs. Why remove it all together instead of just Patching the bugs. So for the Instance of sending friend request mid game. Make it so friend request can only be sent in lobby not the game itself. If you want to send a specific player a friend request the last match screen exist for a reason. Or jsut remove anonymous modes friend request. SO say a player sends a friend request to a player in anonymous mode. They instead receive a message along the line of the player has their account se to anonymous. Sorta like private accoutns. for other games.

[@Bless-ms4uo]

I'm sorry, but this has been the only non-cosmetic or slight bug fix change for a while. Trickster is still Trickster. How many shorts of pipton sarcastically dissing the role is it gonna take? Coroner and Investigator are currently underperforming in their alignment while Seer is making Brawl Meta Knight look balanced. Dreamweaver is kind of mid. Prosecutor could honestly use changes as it seems to be a worse version of both Mayor and Deputy. Even for changes I don't agree with, like bringing Mafia back or buffing Enchanter/Illusionist or even something as stupid as removing Deputy because "it's easy to throw with" would be content changes. But like... maybe they said something idk about like 'they don't want to do any content changes in the middle of a ranked season', which I don't really entirely get. But the lack of actual changes to roles is bothering me. It feels like "Yeah we could fix Trickster, but take this."

[@Trimman-rq4kl]

how was this NOT a problem in tos1? we didn't have anything there

[@lorathian]

It was One of mine got so bad, they followed me out of ToS1 to keep the harassment going in an entirely separate game :I

[@draconicdusk5911]

NGL, very VERY hypocritical from the devs. What an AH move.

[@tarquinioprisco8459]

ok... maybe I am stupid but... why not just play ranked? 😅

[@djf1107]

Gonna weigh my hot take here and say it feels like it feels harmful to the community as a whole to remove anon mode to benefit a subset of a subset of users

[@cheskitten7097]

Honestly I'm not sure who this change is even intended to benefit. From my perspective it seems like the only people who are going to be helped by this are the people who were discouraged from the negative behavior it was in place to deter because they saw the friend request glitch as too much effort or didn't know about it. This will also make it easier for those that actually went through the trouble of using the glitch because even though it has been patched they don't need it anymore. 0/10 change all around since it removes protection for not just content creators but also the new players, anxious players, experienced players, and anyone else who just wants to play without people bothering them because they're good/bad at the game.

[@NotRealAkira]

I guess we have to migrate back to ToS 1 then

[@pichu_isbee7294]

why did they do this bruhh (i havent watched the video yet, might be a good reason) edit: ok damn wtf 💀

[@Dimensional_Parasite]

1:32 🖐️

[@citrineconjurer]

Why is this change listed as an "improvement"? Who is benefited by this? I don't understand the point of this change.

[@xsonority]

based

[@Mikufanboy3]

Tine to look for greener grass

[@PrincelyDusty]

i've seen so much more streamsniping and i've been getting reghunted so much. Legit every single game.

[@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo]

First Anyways Anonymous mode was overall an extremely good addition not only for those recording but those who wanted to play in peace from toxicity over misplays.

[@TomasLeiteLeite]

Hello

[@Adagia]

Hello

[@cuac232]

Hello!

[@mirc3a2200]

Hello

[@thebigbadfluffy8057]

I'm sorry but this video is incredibly dissappointing to see coming from you. You KNOW why they had to remove it, there was such a huge moderation issue going on and BMG's hand was forced. You KNOW this, and this video is not only incredibly misleading, but also mean to the developers and putting them in an unfairly bad light to your audience who obviously doesn't know the full situation. I wanted to wait before writing this comment to see, but of course people don't have the full picture and when you basically create a video rallying people to harass the developers into making a change, that's going to happen. I know you didn't directly say it in the video but it is your responsibility to control the information people have and the tone you use which will influence how people perceive this situation. I have seen plenty of comments bashing BMG because they don't know the full situation and this video is obviously leaving out some important details. Becauses of the Anon mode situation the developers had to make a quick and drastic change, but you KNOW they have been trying to find a solution, and you rushed this video out purposefully obscuring this information. If you really wanted it back, you should've made a more constructive video discussing with the community for feedback, and if you knew this is something you weren't allowed to make you SHOULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS VIDEO. It is causing unnecessary drama and hate against the developers which is mostly misinformed. You are responsible for what information you spread, and this video is genuinely so dissappointing to see coming from you. There is no need to spark drama on a situation, that you know the wider community doesn't fully know about, and I know this video is not made in good faith because the description is very telling that this video was basically quickly made as a response to the temporary change the developers were forced to make.

[@lorathian]

Question: whose alt are you lol

[@DefNotDoom]

“BMG’s hand were forced” what, by the 4 people complaining about being harassed and reghunted? Give me a break lol. In no world is it not a shitty decision to remove the feature that does more good than harm for the entire community just because a niche group of people were being targeted by it. The fix was to remove the friend request exploit. They did that, then removed it anyways. Incredibly stupid decision.

[@proxz14]

Finally, a sensible comment lol. The information left out has been mentioned by me in one of the higher-up comments in this video for people to see the full picture and make their own decision with unbiased information, but eh there is only so much you can do if someone who feeds off of the game you've created wants to rally people into bashing your efforts just because they disagree with you on a certain aspect of it, its sad to see.

[@DefNotDoom]

@@proxz14 >make shitty change >get backlash for it >”its sad to see that someone who feeds off the game would ever dare to bash the creator’s efforts” ??? are you hearing yourself right now lil bro LOL. Also, trying to imply Ada was being intentionally deceptive for not revealing insider creator info is WILD. Regardless if they’re coming up with new systems or not, this change should’ve never been implemented. Hope this helps 👍

[@proxz14]

@@DefNotDoom idk about u, but in my book if you are deliberately refusing to wait for information to go public just because the further information doesn't help your point, that is just being intentionally deceptive lol.

[@emberdragon4248]

You can still censor your usernames in the video through editing. I agree it’s still gonna be a huge pain though

[@lorathian]

You still see what position they were, their role, and who all was in the lobby unless you black out literally everything: chat, your role card, the player list, the graveyard, etc As you can imagine, this is not an actual solution

[@izcube8971]

Simple: Just play Town of Salem 1

[@DefNotDoom]

W video, bring back anon mode

[@SpinoDinos]

I feel like the other side was not recognized whatsoever. The problem is that non-content creators are using it for evil to target others who stream and don't stream. Yes, it helps youtubers to maybe not sway a game *MAYBE* , BUT it hurts ALL streamers with specific groups targeting streamers. I think instead of becoming enraged about this and complaining, it would've been better to come up with solutions that can help the devs and having an actual conversation which is not what you did here. I hope that everyone can get what they want in the end.

[@DefNotDoom]

I feel like it’s maybe a bit drastic to remove the feature for the ENTIRE community because a subset of a subset of people were being affected by it. The pros of anon mode existing far outweigh the cons. You literally can’t balance the game around streaming and stream sniping. No game has tried to do this, except with the existence of anon mode and queue delay.

[@flightyavian]

Tbh I don't get what the issue here is- as long as reports go through regardless if the player is anon or not, I don't see how anon mode helps trolls do anything specific.

[@BasherrYT]

as annoying as the change is, changing steam nick frequently is a common practice to avoid stream sniping across many games, i dont think this is that deep.

[@lorathian]

ToS doesn’t use your Steam name ToS name changes cost real money, tho the system for this in ToS2 isn’t even hooked up yet.

[@jakecooper5514]

Lmao I don't even play this goofy game. I just watch PipeTron he's pro

[@Darth-_-Maul]

Womp womp