What These Men did to SURVIVE will HAUNT You | The Forlorn Hope

[@leesquire4235]

My man. I'm a total stranger. You don't know me. I have some diseases, that mean I spend a lot of time awake when no one else is. Too sore and troubled to have the focus required for reading - my greatest passion. So I listen instead, to you, and your tales. Thank you, for not being overly dramatic, and not overly injecting yourself into these accounts. KZbin to some, is an excuse for narcissism. You are respectful, and fair, and thoroughly enjoyable. Keep up the good work, and thank you.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I’m terribly sorry to hear that. One of the main reasons I started the channel was to tell people the stories from the books I read. I’m happy to hear you have enjoyed the channel and that it offers something in return. Thank you so much for your kind words.

[@whaguitars]

100% I love his presentation style!

[@ticket2space]

❤

[@dal8963]

MY YOU BE BLEESED WITH HEALING IN JESUS NAME AMEN

[@whaguitars]

@@dal8963 Amen.

[@SvetlanaVladimirova8590]

That was truly a terrible and exciting story. You have a wonderful gift for transforming history into a gripping tale. Thank you!

[@daniellemora4724]

This guy is THE BEST!!!!

[@OpinionFromGenX]

Immediately, I was suspicious of this being the Donner party story through a different lense.

[@phoebehill953]

It was the “unproven shortcut”, right?

[@fireborn9065]

I've grown up in Colorado and heard of the Donner party my whole life, but didn't equate this story to that until you said the lake had been renamed. Love the perspective you bring to history, brother! Keep up the great work!👍

[@thomasmarkle3721]

Love the pictures/graphics!

[@whocares502]

Sometimes the best meals are the friends we make along the way

[@HLStrickland]

I have heard this story of the Donner Pass and the Forlorn Hope before, but not in this kind of detail. Thank you.

[@ccccccasey]

I knew this story but I did not know alot of the key details you spoke of. awesome work!

[@dariusbaja21]

My Saturday just got a whole lot better 😊

[@thomasmarkle3721]

I don't know the narrator's name but he does an outstanding job. Great channel. I'd recommend more stories like this now that his Apache/Commanche series is done. Maybe more frontier stories like this from a different, less common or deeper dive angle or perspective. I've been a fan of Daniel Boone since I could read. Maybe the history of the Iroquois, Cherokee, etc? The Alamo? The Oregon and Mormon Trails. I might not be as interested in the history of Europe but the way this guy approaches stories might change my mind. BTW, I love the humor, ie his reference to totem poles. ;)

[@datesanddeadguys]

I have a few things on the horizon. A long time ago, I did a story on Lewis Wetzel. Regardless, that project made me love the Indian Fighter stories and I have debated doing a series on them. Perhaps a redo a Wetzel, The Ohio River Region in general. Kit Carson, Daniel Boone, Liver Eating Johnson. There isn’t a shortage. But in the short term I have two more videos along the lines of this one. With a Donner focus. Then perhaps a new series on the Lakota or the Aztecs. Like yourself, there have been a lot of calls for the Iroquois. Although, I am not as well read on them. That would be an undertaking.

[@thomasmarkle3721]

@@datesanddeadguys thanks for the reply. Good luck and keep up the good work!

[@stanwilliamson2375]

Really enjoy your historical depiction of the unknown and forgotten past

[@BWIL2515]

To choose who is expendable is absolutely terrifying but to bring children and old is just as bad the healthiest only but in this case damned if you do and damned if you don't man what a terrible terrible experience. You always bring me in the story I don't think I could get any closer without being there thanks again for sharing your gift of story telling

[@HLStrickland]

I got chilly listening to his telling.

[@lorilove4706]

Throughly enjoy your storytelling of the old west. Those people had such a difficult life.

[@Thecathunter]

Great work your store telling I believe is some of the best if not the best I have ever heard. Your research is great! I will be watching for the next one.

[@evelyntanswell3311]

I look forward to your videos. Thank you so much for telling and explaining how life was back then. I find it fascinating! Life must have been so harsh! Just existing while traversing an enormous, largely unexplored country. Frightening! ❤

[@datesanddeadguys]

Unfathomably large. To think people used to have to make the journey on foot or by wagon is absolutely crazy.

[@branni6538]

The artwork in the pictures shown is exceptional!

[@ElizabethGrindon]

Yeah, it's great! Really enjoyed that part of this.

[@markthomas4083]

Such a grueling journey to traverse, all the way from Missouri. I feel for the oxen, horses, guides and immigrants. The story represents a small portion of some of the thousands who made the journey west. I can’t imagine the horror’s faced along the route.

[@carleto9597]

Another good story, thanks for the video, great as usual.

[@mikef.1000]

There is cannibalism because of necessity. And then there is betrayal.

[@datesanddeadguys]

There is also ritual cannibalism. Wait until I get to the Aztecs.

[@bullbutter9699]

@@datesanddeadguys Vagina eating is still practiced quite often to this day.

[@HLStrickland]

@@datesanddeadguys Please do a video about the Pequot in New England.

[@wombat3455]

An excellent briefing that explains the moral choices with great clarity

[@MicheleHill-wv2wc]

I knew you were talking about the Donner party as soon as you started your story. Cuz I love history😊

[@kolbii7610]

It’s really a small world! I doubt you’ll remember me but at a younger age having your class really made me love history, I haven’t lost it one bit. I have always watched videos on history, but one day I got down a Native American rabbit hole and stumbled upon your channel. I’m glad I did, I have been watching every upload for the past few months! I hope you are doing well and continue to put out great content. Thanks, Colby

[@dougdillon1271]

This is a great channel! Thank you for these stories!

[@DanBall-bt9ui]

Very interesting story !! Well done ! Thanks

[@CarsonHassler]

This channel needs more subscribers!!

[@datesanddeadguys]

I appreciate that. Thank you.

[@BrendaHoltzinger]

Thank you for the information. I really needed to hear this."

[@1966Heath]

Man, what a bleak, fascinating story. I almost hate to say it but this would make a great horror film.

[@annavillalobos-young5175]

Love your channel!

[@datesanddeadguys]

Thank you!

[@jojo6028]

Was very very good. Great artwork, nice background behind you. And a solid telling!! 🏆

[@rambosnake666]

Thank You

[@getoffenit7827]

Ive read a few books and watched a few documentaries about the Donner Party...Louis and Salvador are usually described as little more than guides or food and not much about where they came from. As a kid i used to wonder where their names came from,Did they have native american names? How did they get spanish names? Now i know they likely did have names their parents gave them. Thank you for more background on Louis and Salvador

[@datesanddeadguys]

They did have Miwok names. There is speculation but Salvador may have been born Queyuen and Luis had been born Eema. They were renamed by Spanish missionaries in California.

[@Txjape70]

Brilliant! Thank you.

[@thomasburns2138]

I recognized it right away but had forgotten the title “The Forlorn Hope” until you mentioned it. The Donner party emerged in the area where I live by Marysville/Wheatland California

[@revmo37]

So glad to have found your channel. Great story selection, research, and narration. I'm happy to subscribe with notifications to see what you have coming next 👍

[@DougieBee]

When you said, “Truckee Lake”, I knew for sure this was the Donner Party.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I was banking on a lot of folks just knowing it as Donner Lake. It has been fun reading what people picked up on.

[@andykerr3803]

Well done 👍 Enjoyed my pasta, rice and quinoa... Spent a lot of time in Quebec's northern winters, sometimes in isolation. The conditions are far more severe than Northern California, even at 7000' elevation. Lots of city dwellers would visit on weekends, amazing how fast they do panic when lost, cold and hungry. Biggest threat for sure 👍

[@spikemcc]

I had no idea it was that story until the name Donner was mentioned. The hairs stood up on the back of my neck at the gunshot. A terrifying and fascinating story, rivetingly told as always.

[@charlenestrauss3539]

I've heard some of the story before, but not all this detail. Heartbreaking.

[@Royalmerc]

I knew it was the Donner party when you said "the Serria Navada". Great storytelling, I enjoy your videos.

[@clivevanzyl3287]

Great story👍🤷‍♂️👍

[@LibertyDankmeme]

another banger story - i love these - you should have 40 million subs in my humble opinion

[@datesanddeadguys]

I wouldn’t want to be selfish. I would settle for 20 million.

[@daviddavis7136]

wow never heard that one, great job brother, you have a gift

[@Doc_Holiday]

I had forgotten most of the details from when I read about the Donner party in school over 50 years ago in school .Maybe I blocked it out lol . Good job very informative informative I don't know why this came across my home screen but I'm glad it did and I look forward to more stories in the future period subscribed * I'm sure they didn't teach us the part about the settlers murdering the two natives In Cold Blood so that they could eat them in school *I knew it was the Donner party early on when you mentioned the Sierra Nevada mountains, I grew up in Sacramento and raised my kids in the Auburn California area

[@datesanddeadguys]

Sounds like those who are familar with the story are pretty sure once you get to the California Trail and the Sierra Nevadas. Thanks for watching and I hope you like what is coming.

[@joannemcfadden6405]

I knew at the beginning that this was about the Donnor Party. The reason is I did a deep dive after listening to another story about them around a year ago. Such a sad time for those explorers. I would have hated to live back in those days. Days when women had no say as to stay put or follow some fools into uncharted territory.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I have been working on a project with Fanny Kelly, a Sioux captive. Same kind of story. Poor 19 year old girl moving west. Married just a year.

[@royflores99]

Should’ve known what was up with natives 😂 it was war! Long before the settlers kept deciding to expand westward

[@WeerdWulf]

From the Dutch 'verloren hoop' literally 'lost heap'. The term was first used in English in the 1500s when speakers misheard the phrase as 'forlorn hope'. The first mention in the OED was in 1539 taken from the writing of Cuthbert Tunstall, bishop of Durham

[@Shaw.77]

That was great. You do a fine job. Keep up the good work.

[@NitroBoarder17]

awesome intro, absolutely hooked me!

[@thomasferkinhoff2385]

Enjoy your presentations

[@TheMNBlackBear]

Sad story. Yet it is a part of our history along with all the rest of it.

[@andreweden9405]

I knew that you were referencing the two Indian scouts, Luis and Salvador, just from seeing your thumbnail, before I even clicked on the video.

[@datesanddeadguys]

That's pretty cool. I wonder how many folks thought of that too.

[@gregsbox]

Great job delivering this horrible story. I like the way you ended it.

[@FrankyBlack]

Yeesh man... brutal.. the things people went through back in the day. We are SO lucky to have huge amounts of food always close by and civilization. Gripping story bro as always. Salute.

[@foofookachoo1136]

It will still be BRUTAL for me, if the stores run out of food, like I’ve heard could easily happen. I’m not able to store any extra food, because I have VERY LITTLE MONEY. So brutal it will be, if there’s no food to buy in the stores!!

[@andrewmaccallum2367]

Such an excellent channel 👏👏👏

[@datesanddeadguys]

Thank you very much!

[@andrewmaccallum2367]

@@datesanddeadguys You're very welcome indeed. Keep up your great work 👍

[@tomjones8235]

I didn't realize that you were telling the Donner story until you revealed it. I did, however, think that the story you told was remarkably similar to the Donner story. The American Experience has an episode on the Donner party. It told the story of the relief party differently. I may be recalling it incorrectly, but I think in the American Experience's telling only one person made started out on the journey out of the wilderness.

[@haroldhahn7044]

When you gave the date, at the beginning, of 1848, I knew who you were talking about. The Donner party was very late in the season, and made a camp in the mountain pass when they should have all run the last 100 miles.

[@chillislives]

I knew it was the Donner party story with the thumbnail. Or, the rescue effort part of their story.

[@datesanddeadguys]

I am really curious how many people figure it out before the reveal.

[@dmcgill8978]

By the time you said they're taking a shortcut to Cali I knew Donner party- 1840s- yup.

[@justinwynn7946]

Hey bud. Love your success so far! Keep going forward. Just a matter of time before you really blow up. Great storytelling and really great edits and narrative stops. Good timing, I guess is what I'm trying to say. You're the only channel I constantly check in with. Wish there were more like you. Can I make a request? My wife and I love the story of the boy trying to kidnap the girl he "loves" (I don't want to look up the actual name) it's sweet. It's funny. It's perfect. Few more of those would go a long way with both of us. Anyway. Great work. Keep it up

[@carolescutt2257]

Woah so looking forward to seeing this xx

[@carolescutt2257]

I find your presentation style so engaging and like 'talking to a friend' as you intended :0] I'm from South West England. Can I ask if this is a profession or just a hobby ? Very grateful for your channel x

[@datesanddeadguys]

@carolescutt2257 Like anyone else doing this kind of stuff, the goal would be to turn it into a career. The channel is growing so we will see. But it’s a hobby. During the day I am a school teacher.

[@dataman6744]

Enjoying your stories from Africa

[@geneotrexler8246]

Good video 👍 The beginning reeled me in and the mention of Sierra Nevada in 1846 said cannibal.🍗🍗

[@DM-wu5hn]

The paintings are spectacular.

[@MichaelBernhardt-t3q]

Excellent video 👍

[@henryanona1640]

I did not realize it at first but shortly into the flashback I started to suspect

[@BladesRKing]

Great video and story as usual! Kinda thought it had something to do with the Donner Party as soon as you referred to the Sierra Nevadas.

[@datesanddeadguys]

That seems to be the tell for most folks. I will have to find a move clever way to keep things a mystery next time.

[@chickenfriedrice2932]

Oddly enough, this story made me hungry.

[@Ben-xf7uy]

Love these stories. You should check out Union general Lawrence Chamberlain and the battle of Round Top at Gettysburg. It has to be one of the greatest stories of any leader. Would be awesome to hear some civil war stories or maybe some Mountain men? Jim 'Bloody Arm' Beckworth could be great, pretty sure he even became a Crow chief and tracker for the military

[@salty9799]

Yo are you going to cover what happened back at the camp?

[@datesanddeadguys]

Yes. I have two others on this topic planned.

[@salty9799]

@@datesanddeadguys savage I’m very new to your channel and I am liking so far

[@donsmith4833]

I like your video. But I did not know that a few starved survivors reached the Indian village. Other historians omit this fact and all they say is that the snowshoe party reached the Johnson ranch.

[@tablestirne9879]

Thats why if you play the computer game Oregon Trail - You Always Choose to get to Willamette Valley First Before Heading To Sacramento 😊😊😊 TO AVOID THE ICY DEATH OF SIERRA NEVADAS 🥶🥶🥶

[@datesanddeadguys]

I don’t think I ever made it that war in the game. I was big on risking everything by wading across the rivers.

[@tablestirne9879]

@@datesanddeadguys yowzas, my biggest worries was snake bite in my team and illness - now those on the oregon trail game was the biggest threat, kinda historically accurate too

[@phoebehill953]

A person who has suffered extreme hunger and/or extreme thirst can understand the desperation it can engender. A person can do something he would never think possible. However, drawing straws because of some tummy rumbling - that’s reprehensible!

[@WickedFloot]

Worst case of karma in human history.

[@datesanddeadguys]

Really an ending that puts it all in perspective.

[@TheWoodlandCreature369]

Really dig your channel 😊 you have a nack for storytelling.

[@hunterlittle3843]

Keep it up!

[@fanelemabaso2514]

What the heck. The ending is shocking😮

[@worldobserver3515]

Hell of a situation to be in.

[@DanielPalmer-zq1fx]

I knew this was about the Donner party right from the very beginning when the first 2 minutes because I've heard the story of the Donner party many times on other videos and read about it

[@getoffenit7827]

Does anyone else remember the tv movie in the 70s called 'the road to survival'? I dont know the year (1977-78?) it had robert fuller(?) From the tv show 'Emergency!' Yeah im approaching 60 now. Anyway i had never heard of the donner party before that tv movie. After? I wouldnt go cross country skiing in the woods of rural maine anymore! My imagination went berserk! My parents didnt like me going by myself anyway. I eventually went back out,but this time i brought any food i could fit in my pockets cookies,bacon strips and biscuits,candy bars a can of spaghettios and 2 old 'C rations' dated 1943..yeah those i wouldnt be eating..they were for any potential cannibal skiers who might try to eat me..i would hit them with the spaghettios and c rations and as they fell upon the canned salvation like insane ravenous wolves i would escape on my skis putting enough distance between me and them so i could get to my aunts house before they catch me!..i know,over active imagination,But i was 9 and not overly bright or level minded

[@bettianngold6407]

I figured it was a branch off of the Donner party when you said that there was a man from Vermont snowshoes and they had to get away from the lake

[@daledanowski9962]

thanks

[@adamcortlandt7121]

I love your channel, I'm so glad I stumbled upon it. Your voice and delivery are awesome. The stories are amazing and you are a great story teller!. However I have to mention that your audio sucks. It sounds like you recorded it the bathroom or something. It would really be worth it to invest in a good microphone or process the audio to improve the sound. Once again, great channel. Thank you for your hard work.

[@MichaelBernhardt-t3q]

The truth of this story is so sad, because looking at the Truth of us is terrifying 😮🎉

[@DaniG._.German]

Is there a video about the Donner Party?

[@datesanddeadguys]

👀

[@ibestrokin]

​@@datesanddeadguyslol the old adage of hidden in plain sight 👁🔎

[@serglavryk1234]

I got the New Vegas reference now😁

[@victorlockhoff9694]

What a great ending!

[@powerwagon3731]

I knew immediately. How about a story about Alfred Packer.

[@calvinaffinito8761]

The father telling his daughters to eat him when he passed is so sad

[@datesanddeadguys]

Right. If you take the time to really imagine yourself in a situation like that, it is just heart wrenching.

[@OrbGoblin]

That's pretty ballsy suggesting to pull straws and then backing out when you bite on draw 1.

[@LibertyDankmeme]

the good Lord has a sense of humor that way

[@jamesselby796]

I drove a truck in the mid-80s. As I recall it was the winter of '84 it snowed 24 inches every 24 hours for 4 days. At the top of that pass is a sign over the freeway. That has a clearance of 23 ft. if memory serves me right. The snow was about 1.5 ft below that sign. That group was warned about that pass before they left Reno. Why didn't they listen? Every time I went over that pass I thought of that event. Kind of hard not to think about it. As the sign says Donner Pass Summit So sad even today.

[@DavidNichol-d1f]

They've served as a beacon of stupidity for countless Americans since, ironically saving lives to this day, I'm sure. Even in Illinois, we worry about it whenever we're caught off guard by a blizzard. The fact they have a giant sign before the highway that goes through there is hilarious in a macabre way. Like an "are you sure about that?" meme before it's time.

[@motorizedbiketrips]

U cray cray! 😅

[@sheepdog1102]

I believe that I would just lay down and die in this situation.😮

[@dwainseppala4469]

“Bad luck and winter weather…”. The bad luck: Paiutes raided the Donner party twice as they crossed northern Nevada (not then a state). The Paiutes took most of their cattle. The question: Did those in the Donner party with remaining cattle share their cattle with those who lost cattle? Or did they threaten the starving people with violence should they touch the remaining cattle? I’ve read 70% of the party survived and made it to California in the Spring. Did the survivors enter California with cattle? Bad luck, or just bad people? You see, the story of the Donner party becomes a hoax because of the evil involved, the evil taking place long before the cannibalism.

[@DavidNichol-d1f]

... aliens?

[@dwainseppala4469]

@ the whites being the illegal aliens. If only the Ozzy Man could have documented the Donner Party’s travails. Destination Fucked!

[@harrietyounger6118]

You are protecting your children. I am a living orphan meaning the relationship is dead but my parents are alive. I don't have kids but I have people in my life who would absolutely love my children and would take the role of grandparents. Healthy grandparents. If you have gone no contact it usually isn't your choice. Usually you have been forced to choose between people who hate you and loving yourself. You can't have both if you could you would but it takes two to make a relationship work.(in my case I have had to choose between life and death due to mental illness) You have broken the cycle for your kids you have only denied them abusive relationships xxx

[@davidchosewood647]

Right off the bat dude😂

[@JaMeshuggah]

I knew it was the Donner party once you said Salvador and Louis

[@tomr1630]

I knew by the title, The Forlorn Hope.

[@solyluna1778]

Phew! What if...? Would I? Could I? 🤔

[@devindestafeno7869]

I'm eating a brisket sandwich as I watch this video.😊

[@markingersoll2671]

Immediately, due to the date and locale, it couldn't be anything but the Donner party.

[@jodiezammit333]

I do find this curious. I regularly take 3 day water fasts and a friend of mine will fast, taking only water for 9 days. I have heard of others who have fasted much longer - 3 months. First killing and then partaking of human flesh is a massive display of weakness.

[@TLB7476]

You willingly fast. It's not a sign of weakness when you're trying to survive with no sign of when you'll get food again. Today, we have the medicine to help if you pass out from malnutrition or low blood sugar. They did travel that luck back then.