What Was Liberalism? #4 Three Problems with Liberalism | Philosophy Tube

[@ariel9477]

Wow I never realised Shaggy was so well versed in political issues

[@saphiralucifera2366]

That's because he's always hiding his power level, in this video you only saw 3% of his power.

[@johnnyscifi]

Hello gorgeoust!!!

[@hungryhungarian6880]

@@saphiralucifera2366 the makeup and costumes she wears now are weighted clothing to keep her power levels at a safe level.

[@baileyvalasek1903]

Bloody hell, I can't unsee that now...

[@hassanjunaid2137]

Shaggy is not Velma, how cool is that??

[@TheN00bmonster]

I know this video series is like 2 years old but I only found your channel a few months ago so I'm catching up. This series really made me think about the education I received growing up in Texas. Capitalism was always shown to be inherently good and right and I always took issue with the fact that it assumed people make decisions based on their own self interest. I remember being younger and thinking that lots of people do nice things because they're nice, but I didn't realize this was in contrast with the assumptions of our economy. As I got older I realized that even if that assumption were true, individuals would have to have as much information as was necessary to make informed decisions under capitalism. Knowing even just a little bit about our healthcare system, for example, led me to believe that not only the system fall short of informing consumers of the risks and benefits of making certain purchases within the system (price transparency is a big problem in healthcare in the US), but it seemed likely that that was a deliberate misdirection by those who benefit from capitalism. Over the past few years, I have been slowly coming to have more leftist and socialist opinions. It's been really great to find that there's this whole section of KZbin that makes me think about ideas critically and encourages me to reflect on my own values. I appreciate all you guys do, especially providing historical context, new information, and hooking a girl up with downright sexy aesthetics (ContraPoints is my favorite in this regard, but I like Olly's aesthetic as well). Thank you for the entertainment and analysis! I hope to be about to support the work of more creators in the future!

[@voodooros]

Hooking a girl up with downright sexy aesthetics is ironically liberalism.

[@KuraIthys]

I have a real problem with economics as a subject (I was a physics student. Science students often like to joke about the hierarchy of sciences. Each in this list apparently looks down on everyone below them and thinks everyone above them is some arrogant elitist. XD) In short it's something like Mathematics->Physics->chemistry->biology->psychology->economics->social sciences) Anyway, my problems with economics first of all is that it seems to behave a bit like a cult. If you EVER suggest or question anything from the mainstream orthodoxy, you get shunned. (this is in spite of the fact that, contrary to the goals of science in general, the main economic models have all the predictive power of a wet bowl of cement... And if the prediction happens to be wrong? oh, just come up with some post-hoc justification for the variation and pretend like it never happened. Just never, EVER question the validity of the model itself) Secondly, that mainstream model is built on this thing called 'rational self-interest'. This is the idea that everyone in an economic system takes the best possible solution that meets their own personal goals. In other words, everyone is completely selfish, 100% rational, and it would follow, would have to be working from perfect information about the entire system to actually make said rational decisions. Since I would say every single one of these assumptions is false, what kind of model is this? People are not always selfish. They do not act exclusively in their own best interests alone. They are not rational. Frequently decisions are made for many reasons that are very far removed from being rational And they definitely don't have perfect information. Many decisions in fact are made with almost no information at all about the wider implications of the decision... How anyone can think an economic system built on a broken model with a set of underlying assumptions that are almost self-evidently wrong could be a good idea, I do not know... But here we are...

[@TheAnimeguy44]

when he dropped the "comrade" i lost my shit. love this guy

[@walbado]

So did liberalism, fascism and all sorts of ism ;)

[@RivkahSong]

@Quigle- Dorf Socialism should no more be blamed for Communism than Patriotism should be blamed for Fascism. Both Patriotism and Socialism are philosophies not political systems. Socialism and socialist institutions have existed in the US since our British colony days. The police department, fire department, and public schools are all institutions funded by taxes, regulated by the government, and freely used by the public. So too are public parking lots, public parks, public restrooms, public libraries, social security, the WIC program, the Food Stamp program, etc. Socialism presents the idea that the things needed to sustain life are not privileges to be bought and traded but rights. Just as we do not allow police officers to stand aside and watch as you are murdered in broad daylight or let a firefighter leave your family to burn to death because you can't pay them several thousand dollars we should not allow doctors to deny life saving medicines and treatments to do the same. People should have the things that allow them to keep living such as protection from harm, healthcare, education, food, and shelter at the bare minimum. And super rich corporations should not be allowed to harm or exploit the public just because it makes them money.

[@theacorn7240]

Wait what the heck “hah, I love this guy” is exactly what came out of his mouth when he said it. He doing subliminal messaging or something?

[@FracmentalMusic]

@Quigle- Dorf yes yes. it was a good joke. Its ok to laugh.

[@concrete_dog]

I had to change my pants after he said that

[@puddingball]

You know that feeling when you drink tea watching videos on the couch and realise that the fall of capitalism is inevitable and sustainable socialism must rise or the world and humanity with it will see its end? Yeah me too.

[@BillyBasd]

The world won't end. The planet will survive. Our species will survive. Our advanced civilization, our countries, our families are what's on the line

[@vigbjornblaskeeg5813]

@Richard Fox if you watch the videos, he explains that that is likely to happen becauseof capitalism and neoliberalism. And it is already happening with the rise of the alt right. A mixture of capitalism and socialism (social democracy - democratic socialism) would promote more liberty and quality of life than either system as we have seen in many modern societies around the world.

[@JT-ho6rp]

Be careful with your optimism. We have a lot of work to do. Just remember what Zizek said, "You're more likely to see the end of the world before capitalism."

[@Abhishek-fe3zs]

Sounds like a brave new world

[@beamerkiller11]

@@Marius-yu9bs I really do like the idea. But am more of a Marxist, personally. Marx's end communist state really was anarcho-communist. But his argument for the between workers revolution & Communism is a strong governmental guiding hand. Reason being that only a more authoritarian government can protect itself from the surrounding capitalist intervention. See:USSR. If the USSR had not been authoritarian, it would have collapsed in 1941. The Soviets learned this lesson and probably pushed it too far by way of the allied invasions/intervention of Russia in 1918 whose goal involved overthrowing the Bolshevik regime.

[@queenfreija123]

When you coyly said comrade to the camera I fell in love. Thanks Olly ;)

[@zarifhasan4191]

FreijaIsAValkyrie I think contra already called dibs.

[@aayushsatyam9737]

With the international playing in the background, it was what dreams are made of. 10/10 Seduction skills.

[@aayushsatyam9737]

Yeah, I know.

[@codyofathens3397]

Yeah, like chills down the spine when he did it. Hella cute smile

[@DevyaniPatil333]

Likewise

[@ShadaOfAllThings]

You aren't gonna name names? Fine, I will. Sargon of Acuck

[@katherinemorelle7115]

Dave Rubin

[@jamesstuart3536]

Shoeonhead

[@jamesstuart3536]

Lauren southern

[@spacepopeXIV]

@@jamesstuart3536 I thought she was full on embracing the alt-right? Gonna check it out.

[@spacepopeXIV]

Will Joe Rogan and H3H3 be considered some examples? I haven't seen or heard much from H3H3, so might be wrong.

[@puglosipher1666]

So (if I'm getting this right) Liberalism establishes capitalism and enables fascist thought to be normalized. And then, when a major economic crisis (caused by capitalism) hits and capitalism becomes threathened and put into decay, fascism emerges as a last effort to preserv capitalism and prevent the working class from taking power by missleading it. Therefore Liberalism is (uncounsiously) helping fascists and fascism.

[@thaynedye1292]

Ehhhh not so much.The majority view prior to Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations was Mercantilism, which is a specific kind of capitalism centered on a merchant class and imports/exports. This view widely governed economic policy during the time that John Locke was writing. It was on the basis of John Locke's reasoning that Adam Smith wrote The Wealth of Nations, which clarified the individualist model and gave birth to industrial capitalism (and eventually modern advanced capitalism). So it wasn't that liberalism was created to justify capitalism. Liberalism was created independently of capitalism, but was born from the same source: individualism. This mistake explains another mistake Ollie makes later in the video: that crises in liberal countries always lead to fascism. The Great Depression in the United States led to the New Deal, which created massive social programs designed to mitigate the citizens' suffering. This reversed itself after the war as the opportunity to grow from the devastation of Europe and Asia exploded and people found they could make more money through private enterprise, but it shows that liberalism is compatible with many socialized approaches to economics. This would probably be my greatest criticism of this video; liberalism is NOT intrinsically linked to capitalism, and this undermines virtually all of Ollie's criticisms of it. It's also untrue that liberalism makes exceptions to its ideology as a matter of course, primarily because this criticism is not exclusive to liberalism. This is true of all systems; selfish people will violate their principles for wealth/power/etc. regardless of what ideology they subscribe to. This is the exact reason why the Killing Fields happened in Cambodia; The source is ignorance and dogmatism, and applies unilaterally to all ideologies.

[@ExeErdna]

@@thaynedye1292 Which is something I realized on paper pretty much all ideologies are a good idea. Yet apply people whom are fearful, greedy, apathetic, controlling, etc and etc. Then you get something perverted into what you see today. Capitalism works yet then you see people cut corners constantly for profits so instead of spending dollars they're spending dimes and making millions. Socialism works yet when the government is untrustworthy due to them being human. SO now programs that are supposed to help people "don't have funding" which is an outright lie since you can see them wanting people to slip up so they can kick people out instead of investing the money they do have in helping more people. Then with how our minds work negativity affects us more than positivity. So ideologies wonder why people who see it as bad will never want to deal with it which also creates apathy and distrust.

[@errienteunisse8038]

@@ExeErdna What makes fascism a good idea? What makes you think capitalism works when people don't cut corners? Cutting Corners is the point. Its a method to increase profits.

[@LARPANET_3087]

I think your summary is exactly correct. Especially in the year of our lord 2020.

[@luisfernandojarerogonzalez9672]

You are confused the capitalismo don't generate crisis the state yes, i guess that you are for usa, i need to know that you contrie java a lot intervención of the state for example central bank that print more money this is more the kynes that the capitalis it right that you contrie begin with liberal begining athoght your contrie is more free that mine your contrie a lost a lot of liberalism.

[@gentlemandemon]

I really appreciate you mentioning Guatemala. I have a personal stake because that's where my family is from, but it's a genocidal conflict that goes nearly undiscussed.

[@SosaelCapo]

His reasons for US involvement in Guatemala are is bullshit propaganda. It was all about corporate neoliberal interests.

[@SosaelCapo]

Look up OperationPBsuccess, United Fruit Company, School of Americas, operation condor, I can go on and on. The US plundered, pillaged, and caused the death of millions under the farce of fighting communism

[@janparadowski4894]

IMO same goes for Chile, in the name of fighting with communism they aided a fascist leaning dictator, who despite having toned down inflation also impoverished a big part of Chilean society and murdered around 3 thousand people.

[@sirius1696]

Yeah, this is the closest I've ever seen non Guatemalans get to mentioning Efrain Ríos-Montt and the Mayan genocide (turns out the Contras and El Mozote were far from the worst thing the Reagan administration did in Central America)

[@sirius1696]

@@SosaelCapo no, the US was fighting communism, just like were when they did the Holocaust. But anticommunism only begins with the Marxists, but it never ends there. It targets other socialist tendencies, non socialist left tendencies, even left liberals. Then just marginalized groups who might serve to benefit from a more left way of organizing society. Why did LBJ take out Sukarno and replace him with Suharto? Why invade Vietnam or Korea or do Operation Cyclone? You've created a false dichotomy between material interests and ideological interests, but anticommunism _is_ in the American ruling class' best interest. Anticommunism is reaction, a counter-revolution motivated by the threat of rising worker power, which is in direct contrast to, and threatens the power of, the bourgeoisie. German industrialists frightened by the German workers' growing power (like that time they ended WWI with a general strike) backed Hitler. And the reason NATO even exists, why all the imperial powers banded together was because of the Soviet Union which, despite its many flaws, was the greatest challenge to capital in history (incidentally, that's what the Holocaust was really about)

[@Aleph_Null_Audio]

Band names: Actual Fascists, Big Corn

[@myingroupidoldidnothingwro4650]

Band names: Gay Guevaraaaarrrgh, Mao Did Nothing Wrong, Socialism Has Nothing To Do With Socialism

[@mattiassollerman]

but muh marketplace of ideas

[@Oliver-qz4kf]

And yet America which has had the 1st amendment in place for over 200 years has never been taken over by Nazis. Reality disagrees with you. All of the nations which are the most authoritarian and fascist with terrible human rights records all have the most strict laws on freedom of speech, and yet all of the most liberal countries are run by moderates. You literally need to ignore reality for your argument to work.

[@KManAbout]

Terror Billy hahahahahahahahahah never taken over by NAZIS but committed several genocides on natives and africans

[@louiscyfear878]

Mattias Sollerman 😒 *_Adolescents twitt._*

[@HxH2011DRA]

Terror Billy no we just have slavery

[@Oliver-qz4kf]

Yes, like most societies in history, atrocities have been committed. My point still stands and you haven't refuted it.

[@MalloryMovies]

*[VERY LONG COMMENT]* What I find quite interesting is how, at least in the US, pretty much everyone left of Ayn Rand knows that neoliberalism/capitalism is hot fucking garbage they just don't realize that what they're describing is capitalism and that socialist policies could be potentially viable solutions. Like it's a very common phrase in America that 'money is the root of all evil' and most of the country agrees that neoliberal politicians that serve the interest of the ruling class (the "elite" i.e the rich and powerful who benefit from capitalism most) don't really serve the interests of the average person. The problem is that nationalist and anti-left-wing propaganda and sentiment is deeply ingrained in American culture. We were practically founded on a hatred of taxes (and also mostly racism and genocide, but hush we don't talk about that), and most of the second half of the 20th century was spent in the cold war in which we used communism as an enemy to excuse fighting proxy wars to protect our business interests. People get that capitalism sucks, but they've been taught to venerate the word capitalism without understanding what it is (thinking the problem is greed, as if the two are even remotely separable), and demonize the very idea of being critical of capitalism, as if it's inherently anti- american to be anti-capitalist. This leaves a lot of Americans stuck, because they can't even entertain the idea of a policy left of what the Democratic party trots out every four years, but they also don't like what's being offered by either party. So they either vote begrudgingly for one party or the other based on other issues (typically social issues, with a willful ignorance to how the economics influence the social), or they end up being turned to the other alternatives to liberalism, which are right-wing ideologies (which is also being implicitly propped up by liberalism as you said). In this way, not only does liberalism push to the right ideologically due to free speech absolutism and a link to capitalism, but also through how it shapes culture. Because its link to capitalism necessitates the rise of cultural ideals that prop up capitalism, anyone who isn't a part of the ruling class and thus a beneficiary of capitalism, is liable to be pushed to fascism since socialism isn't seen as an option. This is specifically a phenomenon of the oft-described 'white working class', as minorities often are more willing to push left because the racially/ethnically motivated oppression they face leads them to develop different attitudes toward the culture of the ruling ethnic class. Nationalism and patriotism are far less attractive when the nation in question has been oppressing you on account of your skin color for generations. As a person who leans further to the left than pretty much any of the people I interact with in my personal life, most of whom are liberals and moderates, watching this has been equal parts fascinating, frustrating, and terrifying. sidenote Im writing this at very late at night so if this reads as rambly and incoherent I apologize but I hope that the points I am attempting to describe are at the very least decipherable. *tl;dr Americans do understand that capitalism is bad, they just don't know that what they think is bad is called capitalism, and that the solutions could be socialism. Liberalism has created the cultural conditions for this to be the case.*

[@KManAbout]

Excellent. Exactly the frankfurt school's point. we must liberate the superstructure my friend. allow the masses to see the freedom in socialism

[@MalloryMovies]

I mean in all honestly I haven't read any frankfurt school stuff so im not sure if that's a 'haha let's make a joke at the Rationals™ expense" or if it's genuine but thanks either way I suppose haha

[@stevepittman3770]

As an American who avoided politics for many years, I've spent the last few coming to grips with the current situation and its underpinnings. I grew up in the Cold War when antagonism toward socialism/communism (and thus the obvious superiority of capitalism) was just as natural as breathing, but I am living evidence that those deeply-ingrained patterns can be broken. I have watched the country become ever more adamant in its support of capitalism even while corporate malfeasance has achieved new heights (Enron, 2008 crash, etc), all while the left lost all sense of direction and careened to the right thanks in part to corporate money in politics. But I am pretty sure I'm the exception, and we exceptions are few indeed. I'm not sure I'm completely anti-capitalist, but at the very least if capitalism must remain it must be very tightly restrained, especially as pertains to its influence in politics. But when it comes to thinking about alternatives, the cure is often as bad as the disease. Socialism tends toward tyranny, as you pointed out, and I'm starting to think it's unsustainable in the medium to long run besides, which leaves.. Anarchism? In some ways, becoming anti-capitalist was the easy part. :/

[@KManAbout]

Steve Pittman there is mutualism my friend.

[@projectmalus]

Steve Pittman Same here (as a Canadian) and it's amazing how fast I came up to speed once I became interested. This points towards something that will be a game changer, the internet and freedom of information and communication that will enable the individual. I actually see the problem as being a two- parter: there's the intrinsic nature of the human, which isn't a set level but on a scale of more or less, of wanting, desire, greed or whatever we name it, the fundamental condition that these systems take advantage of. This nature is tied to the physical body health in a way that isn't really understood yet. Change the health and change the intensity or nature of the wanting, and this removes some of the power of the political systems. The processed food industry is a key player in this. It's all about an aware, educated and healthy individual making their own decisions. The second part is the economic system which places most people at a disadvantage. Fix this and take away the power of centralized banks etc, the money lenders. The eco village seems to be a good model that uses group buying power to acquire and make available affordable land, and from there it's easy to lower the cost of living. This lowered cost of living means less income is needed and would reduce the amount of tax collected, which in turn reduces the size of government. Like you, I don't have a huge problem with capitalism, except that it tends to destroy the environment in it's current form, and I think large corporations are easier to regulate than individuals. An example is the melting down of broken electronics to get the gold etc, something carried out by individuals that large companies wouldn't get away with, not without scrubbers on the smokestacks.

[@rkaiser1333]

"Capitalism might not survive" Then perish.

[@SeamasOS]

I've always considered myself a liberal, although over the past year or two I've been trying to find a solution to the problems you list. I think the biggest step liberals have to make, is to truly commit to the universality of the rights we love, and make sure that as much as possible exceptions are not made. Anywhere. Secondly we have to acknowledge that, increasing access to these rights is the domain of the left much more so than that of the right, and to embrace that there is a certain amount of left wing policy that has to be enacted to achieve these goals. Thirdly we have to really acknowledge the problems with capitalism, and that the only real solutions to them, for now at least are being proposed by left wing thought. This doesn't necessarily mean that we should all drink vodka and call each other comrades, but that we should at least look to these policies to address specific problems, and see what happens from there. And importantly be honest in our assessment of the economic problems that we face, rather than relying on dogma driven policy. Lastly it's important to acknowledge that freedom is to a certain extent, inherently paradoxical. In the sense the it's a balancing scale. If you don't give everyone freedom equally then you end up with the 'some pigs are more free than others' scenario. And that some ideologies exists to undermine freedom, and it's important not to give those ideologies room to grow, by being aggressive in how you challenge their hypocrisies.

[@KManAbout]

SeamasOS maybe you should drink a vodka comrade 😂

[@SomeoneBeginingWithI]

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[@zeeiremonger9201]

I couldn't agree more.

[@Fluxquark]

Liberalism can not exist without capitalism and capitalism will wipe out humanity in the next century if we don't radically change our society. Liberal capitalists will always choose fascism over even democratic socialism when they feel their existence is threatened. Liberalism has to be abandoned.

[@douglasphillips5870]

I think part is balancing the needs of the individual with the needs of the society. Things tend to fall to one side or the other.

[@EquestriaExploration]

I have to admit, I honestly thought Liberalism **was** actually what it pretended to be. Yikes! This is a pretty important message to spread. Thank you.

[@anakides]

He’s a biased idiot. I’d stay away from his channel.

[@LucifersLandLord]

I would not believe everything you see on youtube haha. Please, don't just take this guys word for it. Come to your own conclusions based on this guy's opinion and other thinkers... Jordon Peterson maybe lol

[@KManAbout]

Ollie finally came out! Welcome comrade! Damn I had a feeling since that anarchist video lol.

[@AP-yx1mm]

and that discredits him a little bit, to quote Zizek... PURE IDEOLOGY!!!

[@KManAbout]

that's not what pure ideology means

[@AspelShuyin]

He did an entire series on Marx.

[@Kadaspala]

Finally came out? It's been incredibly apparent (to me, anyhow) that he's a comrade for at least a year or so now.

[@KManAbout]

Taonovan nah it seemed like social democrat to me

[@aJrenalin1]

✊🏻Revolution is nigh comrades✊🏻

[@cbone6754]

Joshua Michelson ready for you to try it. we havent given up our guns for a reason. Get ready for your helicopter ride :)

[@aJrenalin1]

DogBoy77 only if you get ready for gulag. :)

[@jimmycrackedcorn226]

Helicopter rides are too inefficient bud. We'll have you against a wall in short order :)

[@cbone6754]

jimmycrackedcorn226 With all the increased productivity, and removal of socialist deadweight from society the fuel pays for itself!

[@aJrenalin1]

DogBoy77 if you like capitalism so much why don’t you just move to Bangladesh?

[@culturefukd6737]

I especially appreciate that Ollie links these issues with liberalism back to capitalism. It's important because those systems are so linked that to talk about one is to talk about the other. One thing that I've sort of been mulling over in my head as of late is that, while individual freedom is important, is it the best thing to have ideologically enforced? Seeing as how liberalism/capitalism works, as well as what Durkheim said that the individualism born from capitalism does, perhaps rapid 'progress' actually works against the individual insofar as it destroys spaces in which they can be part of a group, be that church, family, or even work. After all, a system that values the exploration of others and individual liberty above all else is a bit incompatible with any sort of traditional, community based ritual. Just some thoughts anyway.

[@Fingo-ge7rg]

tragically hilarious that I'm paying 9 grand a year at uni and yet get much better education for free here, really need to start using patreon :/ anyways thank you this series was a masterpiece x

[@polishdude84]

Thats capitalism for you innovation (youtube) lowering cost of production 1 million people per 1 teacher prices go down quality goes up

[@anakides]

Holy shit! This is better than your college education?! GTFO out of college and probably stop watching this garbage too.

[@TheZarkoc]

This was one serious bread pilling.

[@SwordOfApollo]

Bread lines are a *good thing!* kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHulm52GbbyGmMU

[@KManAbout]

Sword of Apollo they're better than starving to death which was burnies point you tool

[@SpoopySquid]

I understood that reference

[@SwordOfApollo]

K Man, right, because people don't stand in bread lines, but they starve to death in the more capitalist countries like the US, Britain, Canada, Switzerland and Hong Kong... 🙄 "burnies..." Learn how to spell, you tool.

[@zarifhasan4191]

Sword of Apollo what do you think happened during the great depression?

[@Flubby-wubby]

The cheekiness of how you say "comrade" gets me every time

[@brendanmccarthy1910]

“Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism.”

[@adamzandarski8933]

Hey bro, just watching your video for like the 10th time again. Wanted to let you know that between this series and the "alt right playbook" my militantly centrist friend is sliding hard left and even starting to question me less when I freak out over someone's dogwhistles. Keep up the good fight, comrade.

[@anotherwesley7661]

Thank you for this series. This clarified a lot of things for me as a recovering american liberal who grew up under the assumption that "liberal" just meant, as you say, anyone to the left of Sauron (though tbh that's a bit hard on Sauron considering our current regime). These recent years/months/weeks have sped up my (and if twitter is any indication, many, many people like me) political education by light years and I'm having to fill in the massive gaps in my vocabulary that came from being raised to assume politics and economics were unrelated fields. Unrelated, I've just discovered that "comrade" whispered silkily to camera is my kink.

[@hateclub]

I don't normally watch 10-minute videos of someone talking in front of the screen, but I've watched this one three times and it is just excellent.

[@romanpollmeier2711]

You did a good job pronouncing "Teil Eins Die Nazis" greetings from Germany PS: I love your channel

[@johannageisel5390]

I think that narration job was contributed by Contrapoints. :)

[@appleslover]

I hated it because it somehow equates German language with national socialism "this is so n@zi and Evil, it must be said in German"

[@appleslover]

Big Ben is my favourite German bell...

[@MemeBay1]

No he did not

[@theshunzun]

For me, this video was the tipping point that helped me realize that I’m not a liberal, and started me down the path to becoming a socialist. Thank you for all that you do!

[@TalysAlankil]

I absolutely loved this series; it helped me put words on the issues I've had with liberalism and capitalism for years now.

[@Theo_Caro]

Before I watched this series if someone asked me if I was a classical liberal, I would have said yes. Now I feel as our friend Kant did when he said, "... Have my philosophical constructs thrown into question; ...Check. You have done an excellent job here. I would be lying if I said you had not given me much to think about. Perhaps a decade of silence is in order. Silence, and thought."

[@keithrobben1183]

T. H. Caro I would still call myself a Liberal after watching this series. Many of the points Ollie brings up are kind of weak. To start out in earlier episodes and to an extent in this one he presents many arguments which are simply genetic fallacies( easy term to google ). His most important critiques of capitalism also rely on a subscription to the labour theory of value which put very bluntly completely ignores demand when determining value- people wants and desires do not matter under this theory. Since this theory is obviously false, the critiques based on it are as well. His practical point about liberalisms tendency to slide to the right is probably his best point, and I see it not as a damaging blow to liberalism but as a valid warning that liberalism can be turned against itself if we aren't careful. It bothers me that Ollie often cuts these genetic fallacies when speaking on political topics and is much clearer and more rigorous on stuff like metaphysics and ethics. If I said communism was evil because Stalin and Lenin committed atrocities I would be just as wrong as Ollie is now, critiquing how certain individuals who calls themselves by a particular name acted is not the same thing as actually critiquing the ideology itself. This whole series felt like more of an attack against a very specific form of liberalism- neoliberalism. Even if Ollie didn't explicitly state this most of his attacks focused on the extreme views neoliberals hold to not those more moderate views many liberals hold to. Anyways I hope your having a great day :)

[@slvsq]

The labour theory of value doesn't ignore supply and demand, it states that these determine price, and that price follows a cycle of revolving around the actual (labour-calculated) value of a commodity, as supply and demand vary. Basically, it makes a distinction between perceived value and real value which other theories of value determination do not.

[@keithrobben1183]

Lév and it is for exactly that reason that it is wrong. It ignores what supply and demand really are, marginal benefit and cost curves. It is claiming that value has nothing to do with desires and wants and this is simply false. What many critics of capitalism fail to recognize is that the reason profit exists and that the wage rate is normally below that of the value of the goods is that the entrepreneur is providing a valuable service and should be compensated for that. This narrative that the capitalist fat cats are just hording all the profit to themselves, while being a good commentary on inequality, fails to recognize that the workers are also profiting through a wage rate. If the entrepreneur hadn't set up the factory or invested the capital the workers could not have done their job( hopefully creating a product valued higher that the inputs used to create it ) and would have had no money.

[@slvsq]

Keith: "It is claiming that value has nothing to do with desires and wants and this is simply false." No, it is not. I already explained that. It makes a distinction between real value and perceived value. You are talking about perceived value. The LTV calculates, under commodity production or capitalism, equilibrium prices which are equivalent to "real value." "If the entrepreneur hadn't set up the factory or invested the capital the workers could not have done their job( hopefully creating a product valued higher that the inputs used to create it ) and would have had no money." Demonstrably false. Worker cooperatives exist and workers are more productive in them than in privately owned enterprises. Unfortunately, worker coops have trouble competing in a capitalistic economy because they tend to use their profits in benefits for working conditions rather than expending, which is necessary in capitalism (as explained by Marx in Wage Labour and Capital as well as by other economists). History has showed that, it is true, capitalism is great for industrialization. However, in a industrialized, post-scarcity society, it simply is not good enough. It is massively inefficient (billions of tons of food wasted while many starve, hundreds of empty houses with many homeless, manufacturing in the third world and shipped to be sold in the first world, wasting fuel and other ressources), exploitative (in a macro sense with the exploitation of the third world and in a micro sense by the exploitation caused by the boss-employee, bourgeois-proletariat dynamic through surplus extraction) and immensely harmful to the environnement as profits are put before health and need. Finally, it is a major cause of alienation and unhappiness. It is time for change.

[@keithrobben1183]

rekou1 rekou1 ya sure no problem. When he spoke of enclosure, or his version of enclosure which is surprisingly a very hotly debated topic, in Britain before the industrial revolution and treated this as somehow an argument against liberalism as an idea. Or when he spoke of lockes horrible exceptions and treated this flawed and perverted form of liberalism as somehow a blow to the idea itself. If I did the same thing for communism I would be just as wrong and people would be right in pointing that out.

[@rababh9382]

Thanks for finally coming out as a comrade my heart is happy, also i love how u went straight to the nazis since that seems to be the label that scares liberals the most, i once talked to a Liberal with a capital L who tried pushing nazis as part of the left !!!! Almost had a heart attack lol Love from saudi ❤️

[@waterglas21]

Please do a series about socialism ideology (its virtues and problems)

[@BlauStilton]

WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT BIG CORN

[@zeeiremonger9201]

Fantastic video. You give me hope for the future. Imagine if ideas an concepts like these were taught in school? Maybe one day they will and our ancestors will look back at capitalism the same way we look at feudalism. One can dream *sigh

[@trollforlife]

If you hate liberalism so much then how come you're the prime minister of Canada??!? Check. and. mate.

[@tamarrowe]

I watched this series of videos because I'd started wondering about the connection between the problems of capitalism and liberalism. At least, I kept having conversations with socialists who talk down liberalism, and I was wondering what there was to that. So thanks for explaining! ...comrade.

[@paperl9328]

also, in the cold war, to oppose communism, our government often instated right-wing fascist governments in other countries.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

_"right-wing fascist"_ Doesn't exist. Fascists were Far-Left socialists.

[@Lazergaz]

A really good series, and this is why I think you channel might be the best youtube phil. channel. You explain easily difficult concepts and long arguments, while not dumbing it down and keeping in touch with the academic debate! Great great great

[@thomasmott3518]

I have to say a huge thank you to you Oliver. I used to use the phrase "I'm a liberal" and one or two of my university friends would constantly admonish me for it in a rather insulting, aggressive manner giving me no reason other than I guess be tired of it to admit I was not a liberal. But after watching your series I completely understand now why I was misinformed concerning my ideology.

[@henrywhite8675]

Ollie, this might be your best work yet!!

[@flytrapYTP]

Wait a minute, liberal isn't synonymous with left wing? *America explodes*

[@brennam954]

America is putting its fingers in its ears lol

[@6iaZkMagW7EFs]

"Not naming any names" Sargnazi of classical-liberalkkad

[@cody8611]

inb4 status quo edgelords get offended over their capitalism and classical liberalism being critiqued

[@louiscyfear878]

ash Not an argument.

[@PediPipita]

Sargon of Akkad: actually i'm a left-wing liberal.

[@cbone6754]

But it wasn't critiqued. He just says its wrong and offers no argument at all. This guy is a total sophist. Here is a complete debunking of Anarcho socialism / Anarcho syndicalism mises.org/library/chomskys-economics

[@daruleism4093]

DogBoy77 Mises literally was the head of the chamber of commerce under a fascist dictator in Austria. U just made his argument that liberals are okay with fascism for him...

[@cbone6754]

Adrian Rivero hey fuckface, did you read the article? No? then go to hell as it's clear you aren't here to learn and/or enlighten others. also mises fled europe to escape hitler. god you are fucking stupid.

[@vitormelomedeiros]

That "comrad" at the end gave me chills. Viva la revolución?

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

Hell yeah this is the part I've been waiting for

[@Saritabanana]

It's at 1:53! I can't stop rewinding to hear the one word "whEYEst" . Incredible. I adore your voice at all octaves. comforting and captivating

[@Saritabanana]

oh my god the timestamp is clickable

[@jodezaca4052]

I replayed the comrade part a couple of times. LOL. Damn. Who knew? I studied business (although I only ever really ran a business with myself as the only employee). I'm also in a country where communists are currently being hunted down. Am I a comrade now? Can I be a comrade now? :O

[@GrahamChapman]

Been reading your comments here in the comment feed. No matter who you are, no matter what country it is you live in, from now on, you're my comrade.

[@margolett7267]

It’s a give and take you know? If you ever do run a business, consider a worker co-op or something like it. Talk to your fellow employees about unionizing. Godspeed comrade 🤝

[@janicekelleher4267]

I absolutely love your videos, so interesting and informative. Your personality shines through all that you say. Keep up the great work. You are awesome !

[@Goldenhawk0]

The conclusion of this series is that Anarchism is the only way to achieve liberation for all. Socialism or Barbarism!!

[@RadicalShiba1917]

Anti_Islam Asshole Socialism debunked

[@SwordOfApollo]

If you actually achieved full "anarchism," it would end in injustice, robbery, and tribal warfare. There would be no governmental structures to prevent some people from taking what other people have produced by deception or force of arms. The only way to "punish" for attacks after the fact would be to get a gang together and declare war on the gang of the people you think are guilty. The tribal quasi-anarchy that typically prevailed in the pre-Columbian Americas had lots of tribal attacks, raids and wars. Once Europeans arrived, American Indians attacked each other even more: www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780195071986.001.0001/acref-9780195071986-e-0618 Where there was relative peace between tribes was when the tribes formed confederacies with governmental organizations, like the Iroquois League: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois#Iroquois_Confederacy

[@daddyleon]

I....don't understand how Anarchism could even be an option. An=no, arch= rule, ism=belief. How could you believe that no-one should rule??? How will disabled people get any help? Anarchism seems to me to just be neoliberalism's true goal: complete deregulation, no accountability, no care... It will just be social darwinism. And if it is like some other options within anarchism, it's not true to its definition, it's just a form of social democracy in some interesting variation.

[@suicidalmemester23]

daddyleon the "arch" part means ruler, not rule. It opposes heirarchy, not rules.

[@nantiaboutthat6078]

daddyleon Anarchism means no hierarchy. Everyone is equally working together, typically done by democracy. It is the abolishment of all unjustified hierarchy. And there have been successful cases where Anarchism has worked.

[@ripwolfe]

Brilliant series! This connection of ideologies rationalizing the need for an "enemy" is something that, as a decent human being, I want to rail against, but all I have to do is see the debates about Confederate statutes (among many topics) here in the US to see how easy it is for a community to find an enemy -- enemies who are are citizens of the same nation! Same about self rationalization for food or medicine; most of us don't see the amount of work put into lobbying for activities that are, usually in the long run, are bad for us. For example, why, exactly, would _any_ company be willing to pump toxic waste material into a river? Because profit overrides long term thought. Flint, MI, *still* has foul water, something that would be easy to fix! I could go on. There is no ideology that is "the best" because all ideologies start with a flawed premise: that humans as a collective can actually understand the principals of said ideology and execute it flawlessly. Only constantly questioning, adapting and thinking about long term benefits and risks will sustain an ideology, and it won't be the same it was when first proposed.

[@mathieuleader8601]

the contra affair and Thatcher supported Augusto Pinnochet

[@sirius1696]

Lenin posited that imperialism is highest stage of capitalism. And he was right. But now, we must contend with neo-feudalism, the twilight stage of capitalism (which is the actual final destination of neoliberalism)

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

Lenin was wrong, as usual. Imperialism has nothing to do with Capitalism. That is a government problem, not an economic problem to begin with. Also the highest state of Capitalism is Laissez-fair.

[@KRIGBERT]

I've yet to meet someone calling themselves a "neoliberal" (except to piss off socialists) - but I've met plenty of liberals who want a strong welfare state, and who are concerned about income inequality. Liberalism alive and developing - we still need an ideology with a principled opposition to the government taking away people's freedom - and it makes sense to call that liberalism.

[@stevepittman3770]

I dunno about anyone calling themselves neoliberal, but I could name a few world leaders who spoke and enacted policy as if they were clearly neoliberal (Reagan and Thatcher are tied for #1 on that list.) If liberalism is capable of evolving to meet the needs of the modern world, then it needs to also include a strong defense against insane inequality and corporate power. This would obviate the need for a strong welfare state.

[@BigHenFor]

KRIGBERT You have to ask: the English Liberal is not the same as an American Liberal. English=Right Wing; American=Left Wing.

[@michaeldrane9090]

I am a liberal (former socialist) myself, and I must say that I love this series. At times I definitely felt like you attacked liberalism on what it had been used to justify instead of it's principles, and at others I was sad to see you didn't mention important liberal philosophy's answers to a lot of the problems you presented (such as John Rawls' ideas about Justice) and my only other critique of this series is that in this episode you seem to strawman liberalism by ignoring behavioral economics, a feild of economics which is currently making some of the biggest strides and just had a breakthrough which won it a nobel prize in economics. I love your channel so much, in fact you have changed my outlook on life forever, I would love to hear what your personal political convictions are in a future video! Thank you so much for Philosoohy Tube!

[@lawrencesimte753]

Red Salute to Comrade Olly!

[@MrEddie4679]

the intentional music choice in the end with the comment "...comrade?" both used in parody and in serious tone. you are awesome

[@charlielock5058]

Beautiful series, your articulation and presentation is impeccable. All hail the proletarian revolution

[@louiscyfear878]

charlie lock A lot of people have *_"pecked"_* at Olly's arguments, he's just ignoring them😂 this channel has become a faith-based initiative for communism.

[@KManAbout]

Louis Cyfear you do know we've pretty much addressed every argument you made in the last video right?

[@louiscyfear878]

K Man *_No you haven't._* Aside from that, *_Gary Edwards_* would like a word with Olly not to mention *_Hagbard Celine_* has made a 2 year old video series criticizing Olly on race as a technology. But..No response no reply. *_This channel is a church and it's parishioners required daily affirmations on the moral infallibility of Marxist Communism._* but he is entertaining I'll give him that much.

[@whentheleveebreaks3962]

This series kind of implies that Neoliberalism is the only modern incarnation of liberal thought. I think it could have been pretty interesting to discuss Social Liberalism, which provides to solutions to some of the problems created by Neoliberalism

[@bluechicken4866]

You know the content is good when it makes you feel educated and really stupid at the same time 😓 Good work Olly!

[@harshitpurohit2416]

Soviet anthem in the background and slipping in "Comrade", yeah, I know why I keep coming back to this channel. *heart emote

[@stupidluvdisc4019]

It sounds like liberalism has the potential to be a good thing if it cut outs its exceptions for freedom and takes a more left approach to determining what is harmful to people.

[@thisaccountisdead9060]

The professors at my university did a Milgrim type exercise on us as part of our studies - it taught me an awful lot and gave me chills when I realised what we were dealing with. We were doing a module on rocket science - it was an exercise in finding unknowns. All we were given were a few rocket parts and some basic information. Our task was to reverse engineer what we were given in order to establish the unknowns - the unknowns were the pay load and trjectory (it could have been a rocket used for sending a satellite into space for all we knew). It became apparent though, that no matter how many calculations and research into rocket science we did, there was just not enough information for us to go on - we told our professors this and got an inckling they were messing with us, so we thought it might be a bit of a red herring and the exercise was more about thinking outside the box than rocket science. But not matter what questions we asked them, they always gave information that kepted us short of what we needed. It was then we noticed this small little mark on one of the rocket pieces - it kind of looked like a swastika but we couldn't be sure and the lecturers wouldn't tell us anything. In the end, no amount of rocket science was going to give us the answer. The only answer lay in going to the library and looking at rockets used by the Nazis during WW2 - that was the only way we were going to know the payload (which was a bomb) and the trjectory (Britain from the coast of Europe). We actually had pieces of V-2 rocket in our hands and we didn't suspect a thing becuase we hadn't thought anything about the intention of the rocket itself - because we had no orders about payload and trajectory (this of course tells you a lot about Wernher von Braun who designed the V-2 rockets for the Nazi - there was no way he was oblivious at all to what he was doing).

[@shinchansfunnyvines6900]

Hi ! Good Morning , One Of your subscribers from India.

[@elnidodelmuerto]

India will be red comrade!

[@shinchansfunnyvines6900]

Gabriel Garcia Are You From Coloumbia or Cuba ...

[@PediPipita]

Get rid of that fascist asshole Narendra Modi

[@cshahbazi1220]

By far the best episode of the series. I still wish there was an episode that drew a guideline on how to get out of liberalism/capitalism.

[@projectmalus]

We can't depend on Ollie to do everything :) since he's done so much to clarify these points for us. How about this for a guideline: move away from the prepared food industry, this will increase health and awareness which in turn will decrease the neediness that the capitalist system thrives upon. Make land affordable by using group buying power, and this will enable a lower income , lower taxes moving to the government coffers, thus less government.

[@AspelShuyin]

Will we finally be getting more to that series on Anarchism?

[@cinna8474]

the joy behind "you might want to start analyzing liberalism as well.... comrade" LIKE !!!!!

[@DeadMarine1980]

What will be next? Either of two possibilities. Mad Max or Federation of Planets. Pick one.

[@brettlarsen6111]

AHHHH TWO MINUTES IN AND YOU'RE BLOWING MY MIND

[@VladaPechenaya]

Good analysis, thank you Ollie. I cracked up when you used "comrade", as well as saying "problemi kapitalisma" in Russian, and playing Russian anthem in the background. :) nice touches. I understand you support socialism, and as a survivor of communism (USSR-kind), I have to ask: what do you think went wrong with the Russia's attempt at socialism? Do you rate it as a complete failure or as a partial failure? What would you have done differently if you were building another attempt at socialism?

[@spotflippop9493]

Vlada Pechenaya I am not an expert, but one of the big problems at the very beginning was the fact that Russia was basically a feudal society before the Revolution.

[@MadnessSpeaks]

I can't believe I used to be that hardcore Ayn Rand-loving capitalist

[@Jont828]

Excellent video! I've had these views for some time but never really put it into words. Subscribing now!

[@dshepherd107]

Brilliant. This is a very brilliant individual. After watching only two podcasts, that was my conclusion. A very gifted communicator of complex ideas as well.

[@cleve741]

Olly, I've watched almsot all of your videos over the last few months, and while i don't agree with everything, you certainly have make me challenge my own assumtions about captialism. I would still consider myself pro-free market in most cases, but now i can see where a lot fo it fails.

[@cleve741]

@Ronald Reagan I don;t know whats funnier: That you commented this on my comment That you clearly don;t understand what any of the words you used mean That the video you are commenting on literally define the terms but you still don't understand them Or the straight up, unapologetic slippery slope fallacy. A comedy of errors, to be sure.

[@sydneyrica1802]

I just visited to see if you there was a new video and I was pleasantly surprised :)

[@KManAbout]

I was as well

[@stevepittman3770]

There's this magic thing called a subscribe button.. ;)

[@sydneyrica1802]

Steve Pittman I am subscribed and I get notifications but I have had the experience that both those are not as reliable as I thought.

[@yeahnah3312]

that was so, so good.

[@adolfodominguez1857]

Man, the ending is so ominous and we're still in the middle of figuring out what will hapoen

[@JackieChandler69]

2:25 ::cough:: Dave Rubin ::cough::

[@EmranAmin4]

One of your best videos so far, amazing job on this whole series!

[@zsdCKanVOIJANSO]

Wait MLK was socialist?

[@Cangeltibon]

Solace Yes. In the end that’s why he was shot, he saw that the economy was one of the biggest factors in racism, poor whites needed someone below them. In a system with stability for all people wouldn’t have to devolve to tribalism because there would be enough work and money to go around, giving a chance for the races to work side by side and know each as people. The burning of Black Wallstreet, Salvery the holocaust many major and minor tragedies come down to economic instability.

[@Millionsofpeas]

Our FBI sure thought he was. In one of his letters he described himself as most socialistic than capitalistic. He also got his political start, as most civil rights leaders did, in labor politics. He was certainly socialist adjacent.

[@zarifhasan4191]

He was definitely pro-labor.

[@8301TheJMan]

He was, though it took him years of being beaten up from the leftists and Black-nationalists for being the hand-maiden to the Dem party establishment while then being ignored and eventually not only abandoned by the Dem party - but it fact was viciously attacked including the ramping up of hoover's FBI operation to take him down. This wasn't until 67 and 68, when he made the ultimate no-no by coming out publicly condemning the Vietnam war as being purely about colonialism/imperialism! That was when the secret service detail which had actually been watching over King for years and years by that point, were immediately called off, (and by the way - this happened just months before he was assassinated, what a coincidence right?) SCLC, under King's leadership, stated that it would have to call for a “radical redistribution of wealth and power.” On several occasions, King even told his aides that the US needed a democratic socialism that would guarantee jobs and income for all.

[@mirsad96]

Why do you think they killed him?

[@EduardoLima-mg5rf]

About the Hitler rise to power and the connection and support to German great capitalist and monopolies I recommend the read of Kurt Gossweiler, where he demonstrates (against the main stream history theory) that the capitalist class fully supported Hitler and the nazi party. they saw in them the possibility to contain the socialist and communists ( very strong at the time) and a way to expand markets through the territorial expansion of Germany.

[@dazpatreg]

Fanta fanta fanta

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

The fact that some capitalists and entrepreneurs, faced with the alternative of Marxism or Nazism, chose the latter, does not require any further explanation. They preferred to live as shop managers under Hitler than to be "liquidated" as "bourgeois" by Marxists. Capitalists don't like to be killed any more than other people do.

[@Thomas...191]

Ollie have you read "Sapiens... a history of humanity" by noah yuval harari? it's a book that I implore people to read if only for the historical lense it views society through. It changed the way I think about the world and I'd like to hear your take on it.

[@augustusbambridge-sutton6280]

Ironically the ad on this video was Nigel Farage advertising something called "Fortune and Freedom"

[@steampunkerella]

absurdly good video series. my goodness. legendary

[@frayerfilip]

In the video she mentioned theres a series on capitalism too but i cant find it. is it the karl marx one or is there smth else? thanks for a responce in advance

[@gathius]

Really good series! Any more series on a specific ideology?

[@ladyattis]

Nice summary. It's kinda funny that I came to be a mutualist because of all the dead end jobs I've had where the most irrational and idiotic decisions where made all in the name of short term gains (so much for rational self-interests eh?). It's why I ultimately dug into anarchism (sadly had a digression into ancapism but got out thanks to Kevin Carson and company) and never looked back. Frankly, anyone who thinks capitalism is good is either lying to themselves or enjoy the privilege of their class which lets them ignore the destruction all around them (or worse, they like the destruction and encourage it).

[@maryanchabursky9148]

I enjoyed your serie. But would like to point out that the use of the Soviet national anthem is hypocritical, since you apose facism. The problem with fascism is that is the same as with communism which is that they create a totalitarian, authoritarian state. So although liberalism is not perfect by any means what is the alternative? How do we protect human rights and freedoms without using many liberal principles? (Im genuinely curious of your opinions).

[@tomio8072]

Heya man! I know exactly what you mean because I have also been in your position I think before: I knew that Capitalism had some flaws, but I really just didn't know what else there was for us to have instead. If you'd like to hear some alternatives, I would recommend perhaps a video by the youtube channel "empire flies" I think called something like "Marxism 101 with Richard Wolff" - Richard Wolff is himself an economist, and he has looked into some ideas such as Worker's Cooperatives, which is sort of a combination of Socialism - the ownership of productions (so like factories, the equipment in the factories and the resources needed to produce goods in the factory) being owned by the people who actually do the creation of the goods. And it also combines the ideas of a market based economy. He has his own channel as well, and also another channel where he gives weekly shows every Monday on the economy. There is a good one on there called "socialism's past and future" or something like that which puts forward an idea of what can be beyond liberalism. As well as those, there is a Channel called "Hakim" and he has done some work that might be quite surprising, he takes a more Leninist approach (his icon is of Lenin) - which I personally disagree with, but you could always check him out anyhow - from a more libertarian, anarchist point of view, there is one channel called "Non-Compete" who has done a video series on how an anarchist society may be organised. And another channel which is also anti-authoritarian is one called "the radical reviewer" who summarises books mostly by radical thinkers who have proposed new ways for how society can be structured beyond capitalism. I hope these help you out, and good luck in your search... comrade? ;)

[@DevyaniPatil333]

Thanks for simplifying the concept !!!

[@samlight695]

I feel this video would be far more persuasive to people who are genuinely politically opposed to you if you suggested arguments as to why sliding right is in fact such a philosophically negative thing. Rather than just arguing that liberalism leans right and assuming that everyone will just agree that is a flaw in the ideology.

[@Brightest-Rose]

When he's talking about people sliding right, he is specifically talking about people moving towards fascism. If people don't already think that's a problem, they're probably not going to be convinced by anything Ollie says in a 10 minute video.

[@stupidluvdisc4019]

Another Irrational Moron if fascism is an appealing ideology to slide towards, why wouldn't it be a problem for the alternatives to Liberalism as well.

[@KManAbout]

stupidluvdisc you can't slide right if you don't tolerate capitalism and fascist speech

[@stupidluvdisc4019]

K Man if that's the case, I'm holding firm to my Liberal ideals. Free speech and being able to criticize are some of my biggest ideals. You might find people to be idiots and want them to shut up but what if the shoe was on the other foot? I rather show someone that they are wrong than stifle the conversation.

[@AikuraShardless]

This was literally followed by the example of the rise of fascism and Nazism. Did you just hear "slide to the right" and turn the video off in a fluster?

[@littlemsaj62]

i love coming back to these earlier years. that intro is really cute.

[@daltontonga5761]

I think you may be cherry-picking examples regarding liberalism's tendency to shift right. Keynesian economics developed out of the liberal tradition, and its advocacy for occasional government intervention in markets is incredibly antithetical to Neoliberalism's hands off approach. Social/Welfare Liberalism is also a broad view, popular in the US at least, that supports market economies but with certain measures and regulation intended to work towards economic and social justice for those hard pressed persons in a nation. That's a liberal tradition that pretty much started with Franklin Delano Roosevelt during the Great Depression in the United States, one embraced by many on the Left today. And I think it's arguable that liberal values helped pave the way for the development of the social democracies in Europe, though certainly a great deal was due to the work of socialist movements (and in no way does the former point undermine that). Liberal conceptions of free expression and the consent of the governed are vital to many social advocacy movements like those of the democratic socialists. I currently consider myself some form of democratic socialist, and I'd rather fight for my political vision in a liberal society than any other if I had a choice. In short, I think liberalism can go either way regarding laissez-faire market oriented capitalism and more mixed economies. Just because recent history shows liberalism to be dominated by Neoliberal thinking doesn't mean the entire ideology is subsumed by it or that it's the inevitable end point of the ideology.

[@Serenadesong]

Social/Welfare Liberalism is also a broad view, popular in the US at least, that supports market economies but with certain measures and regulation intended to work towards economic and social justice for those hard pressed persons in a nation. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. The U.S. gives lip service to the idea that it "supports" social welfare for the nation's hard pressed, while simultaneously cutting that support to shreds. We are now at the point of having a bare bones social welfare structure left, and what is left is not enough to help anyone to have "economic and social justice". You can barely survive and are demonized and dehumanized at every turn for requiring assistance of any sort. The pathetic social welfare that remains will undoubtedly be completely removed within the coming decade or so.

[@comicog3]

Been thinking this way for a while, too. Great series.

[@aayushsatyam9737]

This series has been everything I always talk to Liberals about. Thank you, now it's easy for me to get my point across.

[@stevepittman3770]

Convincing someone to change their mind on politics or ideology is much more about their willingness to consider new ideas than your ability to debate coherently. But good luck anyway. :)

[@aayushsatyam9737]

you are not wrong tbh.

[@stevepittman3770]

I've been trying to do it for years and years. You would not believe the mental acrobatics I've seen people perform to avoid incorporating basic facts that counter their world-view.

[@aayushsatyam9737]

I would totally believe you. I have seen it far more often than I would have liked to. I find irl face to face conversations much better cause it forces them to stay honest but on Internet, I have convinced like 4 people to change their stance.

[@stevepittman3770]

I debate better in text, it lets me state my thoughts clearly and in an organized fashion. Online in general though I try to limit my interaction to offering helpful information or corrections to bad information, but even that is occasionally cause for anger and righteous indignation from the other side quite frequently.

[@jasonkillbourn]

Great series Olly, I am very impressed. However, one thing that didn't get mentioned in all this was the subject of the birth of neoclassical economics and the effect that had on both capitalism and liberalism. You could even go so far as to say that neoliberalism is the political wing of neoclassical economics and what we currently call capitalism is actually something else, something far worse. There is a whole fascinating story surrounding the abandonment of classical economics and the foundation of the Chicago School, which, though involving staggering sums of money and some not inconsiderable skulduggery, played out in the closing decade of the 19th Century in plain sight, being well documented, yet it's a subject that rarely sees the light of day, is generally avoided by political economists, and is largely treated like a bit of a hot potato in academic circles. I'd personally say it's well worth looking into, as it does shed a lot of light on the rather unfortunate path the 20th Century took and the mess we're in now. A good starting point would be the work of the American Economist Mason Gaffney, in particular a book he co-wrote called the Corruption of Economics. Anyway, perhaps you did cover this in your previous vids on capitalism, so I shall have to take a look at those, but, if you didn't, it is definitely worth considering for a future episode.

[@earth2bob]

I used to be such an iron hard Liberal. I let go of it once I followed the goddess.

[@LeBonkJordan]

The biggest argument against "rational self-interest" is that it's fundamentally incompatible with the existence of the advertising industry.

[@rodion_ksm]

I am a little confused by how you separate the Right and capitalism, implying that right is more connected with fasсism. Maybe you meant authoritarian instead of Right?

[@LokiFreign]

It might be fun to try and find any time in history that something good came of rich people robbing the world with impunity

[@LinLinvy]

Still capitalist won't slide to left-authoritarian because they still want to abolish capitalism

[@CuriouslyHere]

Probably my favorite in this serie, thanks again for the quality content!

[@CompilerHack]

I have been trying to study economics but it was very off putting to me specifically because of the second point you mention which it just takes for granted. Does anybody know any mainstream alternative theories of economics? I am sorry if it's too off topic for a philosophy channel

[@aayushsatyam9737]

You might wanna check our Richard D Wolff. He talks about Cooperative economics.

[@mememaster9703]

The Compiler studied economics for years. No, there’s anarchy, capitalism, socialism/communism and feudalism

[@Virusnzz]

If you're worried about the overly stringent assumptions then I recommend you take your study past the second year. It's a bit hard to talk about economics and the breaking of those assumptions before you understand the baseline models themselves.

[@wolvenmoonstone8138]

there is a lovely documentary called "boom bust boom" you might enjoy it suggests that integrating sociology into economics to make systems more reliable i think you might like it its mostly based off of Keynesian economic theory

[@MadaxeMunkeee]

Try the book 'Donut Economics'. It covers exactly what you are asking for.

[@heidismithpento6416]

Great set of videos- very well done.

[@luciogarcia3204]

Hello, another example of neoliberalism turning to the right is the imposed dictatorships along south america to """fight""" the communism while exploiting the richness of the land. Can you make a video about that? Excelent videos btw. Greetings from Argentina.

[@humanperson8418]

3:20 "Liberalism exists to justify capitalism. Left wing ideologies like socialism are incompatible with capitalism." While it's true Liberalism was created to push capitalism, capitalism is not at the heart of Liberalism. Freedom is. Question: are you free under capitalism? if no, than that's not working Liberalism. Question: will you be more free under socialism? if yes, than that is more Liberal. Liberalism is the rejection of authority for personal freedoms. If you want to use that freedom to help eachother than great!

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

_"While it's true Liberalism was created to push capitalism, capitalism is not at the heart of Liberalism. Freedom is."_ There are 3 things that are at the heart of Liberalism; Liberty, Freedom and personal property.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

_"Question: are you free under capitalism? if no, than that's not working Liberalism."_ Yes, you always will be.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

_"Question: will you be more free under socialism? if yes, than that is more Liberal."_ No, you will never be.