What was the Inquisition? The Origins, Theory and Practice of the Medieval War Against Heresy

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[@beepboop204]

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[@beepboop204]

reminds me of The Grand Inquisitor, people do like their spectacles (like burning heretics) much more than them having to maintain a strict religious life

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

@atomic pill Heresies of the High Middle Ages - Wakefield & Evans

[@davidbucky7634]

​@@TheEsotericaChannelcan i please request a video about typhonian magik? I cant find to much online about it btw love your channel im new but been catching up on all your vids

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

There seem to be a lot of comments - Monty Python aside - on the Spanish Inquisition. To be clear, this episode only goes up to about 1321 with the execution of the last known Cathar. The Spanish Inquisition doesn't even begin until 1478 over 150 years later. In fact, as I point out in the episode, Spain under Alfonso X was the only region of Europe free of Inquisition during this period.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Where is the inquisition prior to 1478 ever referred to as the "Spanish inquisition" ?

[@sampagano205]

​@@richardwebb9532because it was specifically created separately later on to operate in the territory the Spanish king ruled. Think of it like it's a species of animal where the genus is inquisition and the species name is Spanish. You could taxonomize all of the historic inquisitions like that if you wanted.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

And, as I point out at the end of the episode, when the medieval inquisition was effectively moribund

[@tomnaughadie]

No one expects it to not be the Spanish Inquisition.

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

@@sampagano205 _Inquisitus-Espanius_

[@MrLigonater]

Man, what a concept for a cop show, a priests with a secular partner who are looking for heretics. “Sir Francois we have to do this by the book.” “Your way never works, Father Peter, I’m hard boiled and I get stuff done.”

[@londonbowcat1]

19:09 what is the name

[@MrLigonater]

@@londonbowcat1 law and holy orders

[@alicev5496]

Make the priest irish or scottish and it can just be called "Columba"

[@ViJoker1]

​@@MrLigonater Canonic Law and Holy Order

[@jedgrahek1426]

The notion that it is exclusively for God to judge and punish is the only thing that has every made sense to me, nonbeliever that I may be. I simply cannot fathom where contemporary American Protestants get the idea that it is their job to pass laws in secular government to punish people now, here on earth, for offending their religious sensibilities, other than straight out of their own greedy asses, because they just can't help themselves from riding high on their self-righteous hatred, regardless of how utterly opposed what they do is to everything Jesus taught. If your faith is true, you shouldn't feel the need to punish anyone, you should have absolute faith that God will take care of that in his own way, in his own time. The hubris and arrogance of their outlook is shocking to me, given what the foundations of their faith ostensibly are. edit: Furthermore, does not the worldly, violent enforcement of faith, undermine the reality, seriousness, and purpose of faith itself? What use is faith if it is coerced?

[@r0ky_M]

Well since Jesus didn't return as promised for the judgement ( ie; 1 Thessalonians)..the church took it apon themselves as judge jury and executioner.

[@mattosborne2935]

Torture elicits confession, not evidence. That's more than a legal distinction. People confess in order to make torture stop. Jacques Fournier, the future pope, rarely used torture during his Cathar inquisition. Like all the best police interrogators, he preferred to develop rapport and have conversations with suspects.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yep I discuss this. Torture was universally viewed with suspicion by the early inquisition, so to leading questions. Nevertheless it was used.

[@mattosborne2935]

@@TheEsotericaChannel Yes, I really like your nuanced approach to the topic. Torture is primarily a political act. Ingrouping/outgrouping heuristics are a helluva drug

[@toddellner5283]

@@TheEsotericaChannel I would confess to being the Serpent in Gan Edan, Haman, and Judas Iscariot if they just showed me the instruments of torture.

[@anglerfish4161]

The Cathars walking out of their punishment and disappearing into the mountains makes me think of the joke "it's not illegal to do it, it's illegal to get caught". The more I read about the Middle Ages though, it really strikes me how decentralized the real violence against minorities was. We are so used to state monopoly of force that the idea of so many angry mobs breaking out without or even against the wishes of the central authorities can be quite shocking. It's also really eye-opening to anyone romanticizing pre-nation state pre-industrial rural life as some state of innocence. People were nasty!

[@anglerfish4161]

Forgot to mention, the image jokes are on point this episode. Some levity to go along with the dark theme! lol

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

Lol look what mobs of armed people could an have done today. The central authority's only do something if the mob is low in number compared to the amount of Leo's present an unlikely to fight back. They stand down an use technology experts to track those involved down which only really work's when someone gets lazy around cameras or online or cellphone.

[@anglerfish4161]

@@long-hair-dont-care88. ok mate, have a cookie

[@danfield6030]

Yup

[@mycaleb8]

The Marxist view of the wheel of history as well as Whig history has lead to overly linear views of society. Some monarchies were, even up until recently multicultural and multi ethnic, while many modern liberal states struggle with precisely that.

[@drphosferrous]

I love this channel. There's another element to the inquisition that I think gets too little mention: Bored rural people forced into a small and limited worldview can get very excited about grisly public death. Where I'm from, people once went nuts at police murders and lynchings, cutting off body parts, singing and dancing as if the normally chill population was suddenly all violently psychotic. I imagine this same disturbing phenomena was behind the zeal that rural folk showed for public executions of select scapegoats in the inquisition. Maybe it gets less mention because It's not a proven science, maybe just because it makes everyone uncomfortable. I've seen it though and its totally real.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

There are a lot of similarities that could be drawn between the catholic church and the "secular" authorities persecuting heretics in this story and the relationship between the US federal government and Jim Crow institutions. It's proof that large institutions are capable of exercising soft power to commit extra-judicial violence that the institution can disavow.

[@greglogan7706]

Dr Florida? Or, more likely Kentucky ...🤔

[@willmosse3684]

Where are you from?

[@drphosferrous]

@@willmosse3684 Oklahoma. Parts of the US are still very dark and brutal culturally. I expect that aire of violent ignorance and boredom I remember from the american midwest in the 80s, must be like those small European towns that went Inquisition crazy.

[@Noise-Conductor]

There's 2 books about this time in the US; "100 years of Lynching" "Without Sanctuary" Not for snowflakes!

[@jonpradini6555]

I'm LARPing as a early 14th century cistercian abbot on an event set in the Aragonese Pyrenees. A cathar conspiracy is part of the game, and in my research I have found catharism to be a concern until the late 13 hundreds. This kind of dense high quality deep dives help me a lot. Thank you very much.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yep, last known Cathar is executed in 1321. Glad this content is useful!

[@Vishanti]

as someone descended from Anusim and who is getting better at deciphering Medieval Spanish Inquisition records: THANK YOU. This is extremely relevant to my interests! While some of the Mexican records are banal, others are indeed horrifying. It's chilling how pervasive this campaign was, and how many thousands of lives it touched, even to now.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yep and don't doubt I'll be covering 'new world' inquisition

[@Vishanti]

@@TheEsotericaChannel yessssssssssss I can't wait! (any chance you'll mention Luis de Carvajal?)

[@rommelrivera1186]

Excellent introduction. Almost every sentence had a character, practice and/or event that can lead to months or years of study. Thank you for condensing the early inquisition into a single captivating episode. Looking forward to more!

[@mcnallyaar]

*Sighs Heavily* That really was what eventually caused me to leave the Orthodox services. Since I know myself to be absolutely heretical in a number of respects, I chose not to become a Catechumen. And because I chose not to become a Catechumen, I couldn't receive the Eucharist. So services would sometimes make me weep, I felt completely isolated.

[@J_Z913]

Great video, as always. I had a professor in college who claimed that the early medieval church (pre-1000 CE) didn't have that much interest in what common people actually believed, so long as they were nominally Christian and didn't adhere to any major hetereodoxy, like Arrianism. It sort of made sense to me given the relatively limited reach of the church in Rome and the population shifts throughout western Europe. I never did see a source on that though, so it could have just been his wild speculation. Thanks so much Dr. Sledge. Your videos and livestreams are the best!

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yep, people project a lot more power on the medieval church than it actually had.

[@DrewLSsix]

​@@TheEsotericaChannel it's deeply rooted in our popular culture at this point, I remember watching the Netflix Castlevania series and thinking that the portrayal of the church seemed a bit stereotypical.

[@genghisgalahad8465]

I appreciate the scholarly rigor and historical context and and intellectual nuance you provide with sharp wit and dry humor, as often rightly mentioned! Goes a long way to traversing the madness of religio-socio-political history! 15:50 who's not so innocent..." (insert meme) spot on zinger! En absentia of life? En absentia post-vita? Post-mortem?

[@londonbowcat1]

17:09 crusade name ?

[@catcans]

As someone who loves the simple hippy message of Jesus, I pity the fool who literally tortured and killed people in his name.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

I mean when Jesus is alleged to have said things like "If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:6)" you can kinda see it coming, sadly.

[@catcans]

​@@TheEsotericaChannel So it kind of led the way to treat nonbelievers like flammable trash, especially when people loved to interpret holy texts in a way that suits them... Great point.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yep, in the wrong hands these texts - any religious text - can become a long form historical nightmare

[@beepboop204]

@@TheEsotericaChannel makes me sympathetic to the Nietzsche quote along the lines of : There was only one Christian and he died on the cross". there was only one Socrates too. but all we know from them are the characters recorded into literature. perhaps its natural when you grapple with giant complex thoughts, your followers who are in awe of you, end up venerating you. 🙂

[@beepboop204]

Popper talks about this sort of thing especially with Plato and Socrates, Paul might well be the same, when someone very important to you dies because of a very corrupt and unjust system, you may well be motivated to take some radical steps to safeguard and protect that persons legacy. doesnt seem like a religious issue, but a human issue.

[@michaelkelly1267]

I recognised the others, but who were the last group you listed as targets at the end? The Cult of... Galema?

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

The cult of Guglielma or Wilhelmina of Bohemia

[@riccardob9026]

I was going to ask the same question...

[@jedgrahek1426]

Not sure when you started doing so, but the joke captions with the pictures are giving me a good laugh while taking in all the serious information you otherwise provide. Well, come to think of it, you've always had a good degree of humor in your work here, subdued though it may be. (the doubting thomas one is what brought me to write this, great double joke) I really do appreciate how layered your presentation has always been, communicating a great deal with slight pauses, changes in tone, facial expression, deliberate omission, etc.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Not sure when it started but I always think a little humor can't hurt - thanks for the kind comment!

[@Gramma_Holly]

Ya'll this is about the inquisition, not the SPANISH inquisition. Two separate events in history, about 150 years apart. It's not a small distinction.

[@crustymcbastardsonplays266]

A great philosopher once said "The Inquisition, what a show." Thank you for keeping the faith. I am looking forward to part II.

[@rjeder57]

"I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit." ~ Mel Brooks

[@marktoth4379]

Why can Great philosophers get away with the lamest quotes! …Meanwhile I spit straight fire with the most profound shit! And just because I’m not a household name, haven’t had a profound affect on western thought or I haven’t illuminated the intellectual world of philosophy with awe inspiring metaphysical speculations all I get is a nasty comment saying: “you’re not Plato asshole!” But thanks to you my friend I am now armed with the confidence to know exactly what I’ll fire back with: “Exactly! I know this! Because if I was, then I could be lazy and put no effort into it and you’d still be on my d*** ! …Asshole!” 😂😂😂 ☝️ love! Adonai! ✌️

[@__nullpointer__exception8605]

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[@kirktailor]

I hear in Part II you’ll see Jews in Space!

[@gildedpeahen876]

You got at a key piece of the inquisition and witch trials/heresy trials that a lot of people miss. The accuser received the accused’s lands and wealth if the accused was found guilty. There was MASSIVE ulterior motives. Any land owning person could become a target, any widow who inherited from her late husband…it was very little to do with genuine beliefs of “stamping out heresy”.

[@MrKoalaburger]

So I studied the Eastern church during this time period and generally found that the Eastern Orthodox condemned the Western Church for these practices. That said, these are spurious, random sources so I always wondered if the Eastern church and/or the state ever committed to any "anti-heresy" campaigns, and if so, did they commit to any action aside excommunication like the West did, using state enforcement?

[@lousialb8962]

Do you mean like when Soviet authorities arrested Ukrainian Catholic bishops and sent them to the Siberian Gulag, forcibly convened a "synod" of priests to revoke the Union of Brest (which established ecclesiastic communion between the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and the Holy See), and "rejoined" Ukrainian Catholics to the Russian Orthodox Church? Look up Josef Slipyj (head of Ukrainian Catholic Church who, rejecting any offers of conversion, spent 18 years imprisoned, mostly in the Siberian Gulag)

[@MrKoalaburger]

@@lousialb8962 I don't think this is the place where it's necessary to go into an apologetics campaign. No one's attacking Christianity.

[@lousialb8962]

@@MrKoalaburger I merely responded to the query about whether the Eastern Orthodox Church teamed up with a state in a similar campaign to that of the Inquisition by offering an historical example of such. Neither attack nor defense of Christianity here. Just a factual answer to a question with a bit of context.

[@lisalesinszki7536]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Sorry, had to do it. 😬

[@Yomi2012]

I am of sefardi Jewish ancestry.. the Spanish Inquisition has been a traumatic fear pass down for generations in my family line. The elders of my family are terrified to even discuss their Jewish identity because they have a collective phobia that their Catholic community will shun them and turn their backs on them.

[@krispalermo8133]

Phobia " cough, cough, " .. irrational fear of a given thing or situation. I honestly don't think let alone believe your family elders are being .. irrational. Other than the Spanish Inquisition, WW II did not help Jewish people or anyone else feel safe, then you had the Red Scare of communism. I will avoid typing five paragraphs covering what I have learn in my past 35 years growing up and living in the USA. Hope you have a good weekend, and G*D bless.

[@pepelemoko01]

The Catholic church, the Nazis, and Spanish Kings anytime the coffers were empty it was time to harass anyone with money, whether it was Jews, the Albergenisans or the Templars.

[@jasonworks1454]

@@krispalermo8133 wow, nice... What could they do with Ford, Nestle and IBM... The sequel would be focus on the family malpractice and the Reagan youth programs Ritalin abuse... They'll sell you stuff back during the gag reel play back... Cops on Fox... it's a good spoof.

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

Don't worry the Catholic church hates anyone who is non Catholic to the point of kidnapping torturing forced converting an murdering or as I see it martyring them. Especially the first Hebrew follower's of Christ still considered Jewish and the other original an early follower's of Christ. The Catholic church has been is an likely will continue to be involved in some of the most horrendous crime's against humanity committed. I pray the sincerely faithful to God an Christ people within the Catholic church get out quickly and safely.

[@sampagano205]

Yeah, it's really sad because it's kind of meant sephardim get left out of discussions among the Ashkenazi and led to us often thinking of ourselves as the "default" Jews.

[@marykayryan7891]

So you're saying that Where's Waldo is an actual thing. There was a Waldo and he was hard to find. But, did he have a nifty red striped shirt and hat. I don't think so.

[@beepboop204]

i had a prof who was a bit William of Occham guy, his stories about the vows of poverty and Dominican vs Fransiscan stuff was very interesting

[@YonatanZunger]

So there are two factors that I would add to this story. The first is that in Medieval European law, all civil status, from the right to access to food reserves in time of famine to the right to be party to a lawsuit (remember that criminal law won't show up as a concept for a few more centuries, "crimes" today are torts against victims or their families), derived from membership in the Church. This meant that excommunication wasn't just a peril to the soul - it was _de facto_ outlawry, and this in closed communities where "moving elsewhere" wasn't a real option. (New arrivals weren't automatically part of local churches!) The other is money: while this became a much bigger deal during the later Inquisitions, the funds and lands seized from heretics went _somewhere,_ usually into the pockets of local secular powers or (later) the inquisitorial orders themselves. This created one Hell of an incentive to accuse and convict certain people, and definitely contributed to the Inquisition's reputation.

[@toddellner5283]

I'm getting flashbacks to the wonderful movie version of _The Name of the Rose_ , both the debate about whether Christ owned his own clothes and the older Franciscan explaining gently to his young protege that a lot of what was considered sainthood or heresy was a matter of dumb luck. What was important was that in that time and place people were desperate and would support anything that promised a better life.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Featuring (an unfortunately malevolent) depiction of Bernard gui!

[@londonbowcat1]

​@@TheEsotericaChannel36:30 please what is the book name ?

[@kapryankennedy3064]

Thank you for this intensely interesting synopsis of the early inquisition. As I listened to your explanation of the dynamics between the secular and ecclesiastical authorities, I could not help but notice that both the clergy and the local civil authorities were being pressured by the mutual interests of the Papacy and the fuedal Monarch's who reinforced each other's positions to the detriment of the common people, in spite of their own opinions concerning problem of heresy, on both sides. Perhaps an investigation of the relationship between Papal Rome and the monarchies of Europe could fill out our understanding of the early development of the Inquisition.

[@pag4433]

Thank you Dr. Sledge for your amazing work!

[@londonbowcat1]

How did you do that

[@jeffaltier5582]

Truly fascinating. I'm a huge fan of your lectures-- especially Gnosticism and the Cathar heresies. In other words-- how the Catholic church reacted to those who had differing beliefs. The Inquisition falls into the category. Great work.

[@ponyote]

The Church really really loves their fancy hats, don't they just?

[@koligula2000]

You are a magical genius. I've been looking for a proper introduction into alchemy and esoteric knowledge for quite some time now. You seem to know your stuff. I look forward to your future works.

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

Ah, the heretics often had the option to be strangled to death before they were burned on a pyre. Truly, this is a merciful organization, hardly worthy of reproach.

[@Eunacis]

FUN (?) FACT: Strappado functions (anatomically at least) identically to Crucifixion.

[@RoberttheFox0001]

This is excellent. Thank you. I have learned a lot about something I previously thought I knew a lot about.

[@Deitz39]

I'd love to hear more about the history of Peter Waldo and the Waldensians. Thanks so much for your videos and all you do, always a treat every new Esoterica video.

[@alohm]

I didn't expect an episode on the Inquisition!...

[@okasa64]

Me neither. I'm guessing nobody really expected it.

[@DonPeyote420]

nobody ever does

[@AB-wf8ek]

Of the many varieties of inquisition, people often expect the Spanish kind the least

[@pepelemoko01]

I always wonder if the black SS uniforms were taken from the black cassocks of the Dominican order that Thomas Torguemada wore during inquisitions.

[@1646Alex]

As someone who writes a lot of fiction with a special attention to world building I find the legal machinery here to be really inspiring.

[@markantrobus8782]

This is what Europe did to Jesus. And yet missionaries have the gall to preach to the heathen.

[@nneisler]

Dr. Have you considered wearing a red silky robe and a red hat and gloves? Very stylish…

[@Redmancala]

Strange cult of gulima? I would like to learn more of it but I couldn’t hear what the word was exactly. Could you please tell me?

[@toddellner5283]

Admittedly a bit later, but I recently read _The Cheese and the Worms_ and material on Giordano Bruno. What comes through is that the inquiries went out of their way to bring the accused back to the Church. In the first case they spent several years excusing him on the grounds of being crazy and putting him in the care of family members. In Bruno's case they wasted, what, three years trying to get him to just shut up even when it was clear he wanted to be martyred and had done everything from publicly practicing sorcery and living with a woman while still in Holy Orders to sneaking back into a country where he was already under sentence of death. At the other end we have "Kill them all. The Lord will know His own" and Torquemada. I'm not exactly the biggest fan of the Catholic Church if the only other guy in the room is Henry VIII, but it's clear there was a lot of variation and nuance in the mission and priorities of the Inquisition.

[@londonbowcat1]

39:00 names please

[@toddellner5283]

@@Giantcrabz More to the point, they weren't the cartoon villains some people make them out to be.

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

Somehow having only a "very narrow selection of torture techniques" doesn't seem like much of a limiting factor.

[@resh9145]

This is the best video, from a big channel, I ever saw about Inquisition. Me as a Catholic, disagree with some reactions you had commenting about the theme. But of course, I don't disagree with S. John Paull II's apology.

[@petrairene]

I can't stand religions that force their beliefs on others as the only legitimate and true belief that must be adhered.

[@elite6321]

20:27 ALFONSO THE BASED

[@makidiaz3894]

This channel is brilliant and high quality.

[@granola-approach]

also "you can't exactly ensure salvation for someone when they're dead" maybe for the catholics. the orthodox church has salvation open til the end of time babyyyyyy

[@granola-approach]

as in eastern orthodoxy, the 'rival' tradition of catholicism. i know they both identify as both catholic and orthodox

[@PaulHaesler]

Blimey! I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!

[@jordanroffey8343]

No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition

[@drphosferrous]

XD

[@rommelrivera1186]

It's coming up next. Hold on to your heretical butts!!

[@drphosferrous]

If she weighs the same as a duck...

[@conradoccaminha]

So, at 25 min you say the Inquisitor could "depose" the entire area. What does that mean: What does "deposing" entail? Does that mean everybody who has land there would lose their land? Or does that only mean the authorities lose their positions? I don't quite understand that term in this situation.

[@rowandoyle7]

I assumed it's related to the legal meaning of deposition, as in questioning before a court, but I don't know

[@AB-wf8ek]

Quick internet search: depose - remove from office suddenly and forcefully. "he had been deposed by a military coup" In otherwords, forcibly removed

[@conradoccaminha]

@@AB-wf8ek Sorry, but your answer answers nothing. No offense, but yes, this is the meaning I usually subtract from this. It is because it doesn't seem to make sense to me that some random peasant (or, as he says in the video: An entire VILLAGE) would be deposed, as not everybody has a public office to be deposed from (if it even makes sense to talk about public office in the middle ages). The question is precisely: What are they being deposed of? Or is Deposed here in the sense the previous person used: That of testifying? But that doesn't seem to make sense in the sentence he used. Trust me, if this quick google could solve it I wouldn't have asked.

[@AB-wf8ek]

@@conradoccaminha My mistake, it's the second meaning of deposed: 2. testify to or give (evidence) on oath, typically in a written statement. Which means they were taken in for questioning

[@clockworkgnome]

Well this was unexpected! ;)

[@jeremiah1059]

"The inquisition; what a show." "The inquisition; here we go. The inquisition and we're gonna saaaay. "The inquisition is here and it's here to staaaaay." ......thanks Mel Brooks

[@johngraves9237]

@jeremiah1059 🤣😅😂😂🤣🤣😅😅😂😂😅🤣 I see what you did there, and yes I can hear that!

[@PaulHaesler]

Is that monk holding a TARDIS at 8:40?

[@beepboop204]

and a sonic screw driver it looks like 😉

[@beauwhitlock5034]

The Mid evil catholic church wasn’t too keen on Do what Jesus Christ said to do.

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

The secular laws were shaped directly through church. Why else would the secular authorities enforce a punishment for a religious infraction? Courtesy?

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Church imparts state legitimacy, the state protects the church from it's enemies - classic feudal arrangement

[@ZUGZUGGERING]

Since you brought up Kafka-esque themes, the inquisition heretics makes me think of Kafka's book the trial, where the court uses his refusal to admit to guilt as sign of it.

[@gregcollins7602]

Where are the synchronized swimming nuns?

[@user-hn1sw4cf7x]

And wherever you go, there you are...Toledo. All the ghosts are back to spook. Hurray?

[@DonPeyote420]

The most unexpected episode ever!

[@thhseeking]

Get the Comfy Chair!!

[@DonPeyote420]

Not the Comfy Chair!!... 😧

[@RevaneCrowford]

What is the name of that final movement mentioned at 38:57 ? The subtitles render it as "cult of galima", but I can't find any mention of that. And the fact that google keeps thinking I want to know about Kali Ma from Indiana Jones isn't helping.

[@dexocube]

I've got a good question for you Dr Sledge. In your opinion, how much is orthodoxy a feature of monotheism as compared to polytheism?

[@MsBlipper]

Your descriptions are amazing.

[@maz031]

I did not expect this

[@henrybenwaresr.8522]

The "Inquisition" looking back in the writings only seems like a bird fight that definitely was and is shunned. Thank you

[@sampagano205]

Wait how did i never know the waldensians still exist. Why aren't they talked about nearly as much as the Cathars? That's fascinating. Almost as cool as the Ismailis are the modern descendants of assassin's. I always love to learn about tenacious survivors of a minority group that was continually trying to be wiped out. I feel a sense of kinship with that as a Jew.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yeah it's odd they're not talked about more, at least outside of proto-protestant talk

[@sampagano205]

@@TheEsotericaChannel all of the "proto protestants" are annoyingly mostly talked about in how much they actually presaged protestantism, rather than taking them on their own terms. The Hussites and Lollards are a little better off on that front because they were connected to significant historic wars that people care about for non protestant reasons.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

Yeah I don't get it either

[@jesperandersson889]

Just a scout boy club of infernal insanity...

[@jbaquinones]

Cool episode. It reminds me of that meme where Jesus knocks on the door and starts threatening people for not believing. 😂😂😂

[@madamezenobia3663]

Brilliant and hilarious, thank you for another nite of learning and chuckling Dr. Sledge. So glad I found you among the ancient aliens rabbit holes I have traversed. Shalom, blessings of the great spirits to you and your wonderful collegues.

[@paom8476]

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

[@nicazzo]

Thank you! I was looking for it 😂

[@tomnaughadie]

To be honest, I don't give them as much benefit of the doubt as you do. I'm sure there were local clergy that were against killing/punishment, but I think in general from the institution of the church it was likely a good-cop/bad-cop act.

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

This position isn't born out by the facts - even the arrest vs execution rate, especially given that torture was used, never got into double-digit numbers by percentage. It was morally outrageous but nowhere to the degree it's presented as. Facts and history matter not what we want to believe.

[@tomnaughadie]

@@TheEsotericaChannel I suppose I wasn't making a comparison to any specific presentation made by anyone else. I'm sure some are as much exaggeration as you say. I'm not saying any of your facts are incorrect. It's the the subjective part I don't go quite as far with. I'm sure we can agree that not every member of every level of "The Church" as a whole were of one mind and motivation.

[@Bildgesmythe]

A lesson I've learned from history, never irk the rich guy.

[@truthseeker9117]

Can you do a video on Jewish vs Christian vs Muslim(?) ideas of messiah? Do Jews also see Jesus and Mohammad as anointed, if not messiah? I never understood all that...seems like just an excuse to divide people. If Men speak wisely & of peace, why not listen?

[@NovaG8r]

Jews do not view Jesus or Mohammed as anything at all while Muslims view Jesus as the second-to-last of the line of prophets that began with Adam and ended with Muhammed.

[@truthseeker9117]

Yeah I don't get that... Forget about all the labels, he was just a wise man, an "ascended master"...anointed with "holy oil". Just like any other person who achieved enlightenment. They aren't any better than the others they all are playing for the same team working towards the same goal lol. Who cares about "messiah". It's just a word. Surely Jewish people recognize his wisdom?

[@NovaG8r]

@@truthseeker9117 Neither Jesus nor Mohammed fulfilled the Judaic theological requirements to be the Messiah which involved a very specific set of social/political goals for the Jewish people which makes it vastly more important than merely being "just a word". Thus, there is no reason from the Jewish perspective to view them as anything even remotely relevant to them.

[@alicev5496]

​​​@@truthseeker9117here's some who see his teachings as having some value as a philosopher, some don't. But in fairness... Einstein was a wise man too, yet he is not seen as special on that account. That's ultimately the thing: he's just another guy, and what you think of his opinions is up to you, but the tradition doesn't see him as related to the divine in any way.

[@MichaelYoder1961]

The Inquisition - the first cancel culture. Only they really meant it back then. Except the Monty Python version "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

[@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901]

I have a memory that the spanish inquisition was created by secular authority without the approval of the pope at the time. I hope I'm not wrong. And yes my impression of the inquisition has long been that they were a sort of almost oversight committee that the secular government would make decisions based on more than anything else

[@jordanroffey8343]

You remind me of my father because he wasn’t actually around either 😊

[@christinacontinelli4220]

I wasn't expecting this.

[@AB-wf8ek]

No one ever does

[@sewellparanormal6351]

Saw that Python throwback Dr. This is why I watch your channel sir.

[@rafaeldelaflor]

I’m sure pilgrimages were very dangerous in those times and very perilous. Those pilgrimages though, stuff could escalate quick

[@jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171]

Don’t forget that it was the Dominicans who literally won and wrested Thomas Aquinas away from his family! I don’t understand why those earliest Christian movements that we call Greek Orthodox, Tewahedo, Syriac, and Coptic would seemingly be ignored by the papacy and the Roman authority and be ignored to the point where I think those other manifestations of early Christianity were treated as insubstantial. Or maybe because of my own understanding of these historical ‘mysteries’ being from my own ‘old Missouri cened’ Lutheran perspective I like to challenge the Vatican and frequently label it’s doctrine as ‘hoopla’. Either way, I feel like these ‘priveledged fraternity hopefuls’ likely made substantial efforts to disenfranchise these Icon painting ‘outsiders’ if but only for their tendencies towards isolationism and Hermeticism, and where they would recluse and isolate, all the better for the Vatican and their club that really mattered. Digging into these lesser cited gospels, and the other early pieces of scripture that didn’t make the cut, such as the great many codices that you frequently cite, they’ll reveal a history of Christianity that expose more mysteries that I would likely find when I finally study maybe Etruscan and/or Zoroastrian tradition. I really like your format, but your lectures are the real meat and potatoes, revealing your incredibly comprehensive bibliography of theological interests that I have been waiting to learn about my whole life long. I THANK YOU for ALL that you share, it is indeed invaluable and has transubstantiated greatly what I take from KZbin! That is proof of Alchemy at work by its definition. You truly are a prolific source of Esoterica!!

[@unfoundedfall9364]

Are there any other books you would recommend to read more on the early Inquisition besides 'A History of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages'? I have been buying the sources you usually list in the description to learn more about these subjects. Also thank you for all the research and videos you make. I have learned so much about history from you. I will admit I was very skeptical of your channel when I first stumbled upon it, but I am now a huge fan of yours. So thank you, Dr. Sledge!

[@londonbowcat1]

25:00 a code of silence

[@steveclark8538]

Very entertaining as always. For a critical look at Jesus stuff see the monograph by the late Iowa State Professor Hector Avalos The Bad Jesus the ethics of NT ethics.

[@mcnallyaar]

This is fast becoming one of my favorite KZbin channels!

[@dark_fire_ice]

I feel "sentenced" to "crusade/pilgrimage" was just, death by exile

[@JAGzilla-ur3lh]

I've been subscribed for probably years now but this is the first video I've gotten around to watching. It won't be the last! You're a solid host and cover some interesting topics I need to actually learn about at some point.

[@Sanguelto]

Thanks!

[@alanforrester]

I didn't expect this video to be in my feed.

[@flambr]

them: being a scholar is dryy dr Sledge: there is controversy regarding the start of the crusades but lets call it 1215 for funsiez 😎

[@myhandlehasbeenmishandled]

This is kind of why Dominicans were originally not very popular in Bosnia. Preference was for Franciscans. They tended to look the other way when people didn't do as told. Dominicans had much more influence in Croatia and among Croats in Bosnia. Due to many wars throughout centuries and much distrust among religiously mixed local population it just somehow worked itself out that some Bosnian Muslims and secular Bosnians begin to believe that Bosnian Franciscans are "true" Bosnians (or Bosniaks) and inheritors of medieval Bosnia. Weird.

[@waltonsmith7210]

Well, you dont want heresy spreading and infecting society, do you? Only doom could follow from lenience.

[@mad-adam]

Thanks

[@mau48310]

I can not solely believe what they wrote as their goals . However, people are animals and led by fear all too often . They wrote those records of course they would say things like we didn't mean for them to die, we wanted to save them. The further inquisitions were less apologetic about their intentions even on records.

[@LandELiberation]

So if you prove your accusers hold a grudge against you, you're fine? So you could just be kinda generally an asshole to cover up your heresy?

[@K_F_fox]

About 5 minutes in... am I the only one who sees a guy showing off his TARDIS model?

[@ericfuchs123]

Been laughing for a day at the casualness with which you call Heinrich Kramer “nuts”.

[@danielemacciantelli1788]

It is all about eradicating competition on the use of the universal technology.

[@Schwarzkald]

Obviously the Church don't want to lose business. Every one is value at a 10%

[@viharchampa8829]

*9th Gate*

[@furthausen]

Thanks!

[@LoueldllTutor]

Homaygod I can't digest too deep explain pls in the easiest way... thank s

[@whtiequillBj]

are your dates using the Julian or Gregorian calendar or both on your pictures next to you?