What was wrong with the Jubilee line? [1996 Stock 2019 defect]

[@techandtrains101]

UPDATE VIDEO HERE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/noqnlJ1qhd5-mZY - As of yet a fix is yet to have been found - A further 3 trains have been taken out of service bringing the total up to 10 out of the lines 62

[@NESTABROWN9]

Dozen of times and so many times fixtures trains gone lack of service it is!! Unbelievable, is not going be improvement they do better runs and keep the London Understand train moving more service quicker than lack and stuck of service it is, huh!!! 😖

[@NESTABROWN9]

That's your point! What a worst... I believe that being open 24hrs services... Someone being vandist on a trains like this; Griffiti, under the seat break key to open then break inside things in system and slide door being sticky inside things there. Is very hard to believe to find there is passenger are doing abuse of behaviour on the train at Fridays and Saturdays...

[@NESTABROWN9]

Part2: In New York Subway train open 24hrs, there high securites and police guards on a train in car each coaches. Make sure will safe place way home and if there any vandist, they will get arrest by police guard will them. Keep on the train runs to moving at all times. NOT be lack overall, otherwise, there will be strike to be action affect the trains is very few... Be careful!

[@joshuaritchie3836]

Dear teachandtrains101 the train on the the island of Wight are 82years old and still in passengers service.

[@axolotlgamer615]

@@joshuaritchie3836 Aint got highest speeds or ato Or same style of build...

[@danwoodhouse9290]

wow i did'nt know Maurice Moss from The IT crowd knew so much about the tube.

[@slygovnor8356]

DANIEL WOODHOUSE I can get that image out of my head now 😂😂 Best comment so far 👌👌

[@Hikari-subs]

lmao

[@almostanengineer]

Nah, this is clearly it’s his kid.

[@customtransport2777]

I get really upset when I keep finding out that Jubilee Line trains according to the TfL website break down almost every day as this rolling stock is only over 20 years old and have been recently refurbished

[@Nick_80599]

25 years in operation, the 1992 stock on the Central Line were failing from day 1 and are causing lots of problems as I write this.

[@williamkulcsar]

You said that ATO was the signalling system in use. I believe signalling is done by CBTC and ATO is the driving mode.

[@ViralVlogSquad]

Huh! R U a DLR train?

[@SportyMabamba]

Jubilee has TBTC signalling like on the Northern Line. CBTC signalling is rolling out on the Sub-Surface lines ATO is: 1) an umbrella term for trains which drive themselves. 2) the descriptor for half the driving system: the other half is the ATP which watch-dogs the ATO system. 3) the name for the signalling on the Central & Victoria lines.

[@transportflick923]

It sounds like they have reduced the acceleration intensity on the Jubilee Line now. I wonder if it’s to prevent other trains developing this issue or if it’s because less trains are running, so they can take their time more.

[@forza223bowe5]

Could just be a train with a duff motor

[@transportflick923]

Forza223 Bowe nope it sounded and felt less intense.

[@forza223bowe5]

TransportFlick Never noticed it, maybe it was driven manually ?

[@FarmYardGaming]

They seem to decelerate more harshly now, but cut out the motor at the last second

[@ASLEFshrugged]

Its not really a safety issue, if there was a "breakaway" the emergency brakes would apply to both "halves" of the train and the line would be shut down for hours while they removed it.

[@techandtrains101]

True, I was just simplifying and phrasing from the TFL email and could have done better, if it happened during a peak I'd imagine a lot of crowded trains in the area would end up stalled with people stuck on them which obvs poses it's own risks, not to mention the PR nightmare once the daily rags get hold of it. Huge fan and long time reader of your works btw, glad to see you here.

[@forza223bowe5]

I think it’s due to ATO personally. These trains had an issue of clattering carriages, and would it be surprised if eventually its cracking the plates ?

[@ElevatorGuy9192]

@@techandtrains101you have got to be kidding me

[@europeantransporttv212]

Great video. Very informative and interesting. And very good camera quality. Awesome.

[@CS_22]

I was on a jubilee line train between Finchley Road and Waterloo the day before they had severe delays. The train just didn’t sound right. It had a strange metal flange sound, which I’ve never heard on any underground train, even when leaving stations and speeding down through tunnels. I just got some strange feeling about it. Tonight some more have gone back out of service, as well as earlier issues with trains on the Waterloo and City Line. Lots of the S Stocks on the circle line seem to be failing too. It’s not going well for LU.

[@dominicfindlay]

The S Stock ones are likely due to the new signalling system. Train fault being it not connecting to the new signalling system properly/ at all.

[@forza223bowe5]

Transport In West London They have cut the maintenance on these trains

[@orig1nalfn91]

I love when the camera is near the doors it looks so different and cool

[@Ishak_2013]

And funny

[@marvinkitfox3386]

Confused. Why would the imminent failure of a coupling between 2 cars of a train, render that WHOLE train unfit for service? Surely one just removes the affected car from service, thereby reducing the capacity of the one affected train by 1/7th. With 8 suspect/failed couplings that should reduce the fleet capacity by 8/7ths of ONE train, spread over several trains. total loss of capacity about 8/434 = less than 2 percent?

[@techandtrains101]

Because of the distribution of equipment between the cars, how trackside assets such as the platform edge doors are set up and also likely the way the ATO signaling system is set up it is not possible to run a train in a six car formation, not to mention that some of the eight trains affected could conceivably be the units exclusively built in 2005 which presumably could have the issue on multiple cars.

[@ASLEFshrugged]

As Techandtrains said, the PEDs wouldn't open for a 6-car train, if they did then three sets of doors at the back would be open onto the track plus one door would open next to the rear cab door.

[@J9VRoffical]

And it wouldn’t only affect the PEDS, the track also contains axel counters. If a short train goes through it confuses the system and can close the track. Also the trains are set up to run as 7 car trains so depending on what carriage was removed it would affect the trains circuits.

[@rahan573]

I don't these these trains were designed to have ATO operation so it's likely to cause wear and tear to these couplers since the ATO on the Jubilee is super rough on these trains. I wonder if the couplers on the Northern line follow the same state or not but it's if it's not then it's likely the ATO on Northern line train have treated the trains same way drivers did. Well that's my opinion on it.

[@matthewsmith2787]

Northern line trains don’t go as fast

[@tyrozone5]

Poor Jubilee

[@abdulbasit-ec9jz]

Poor jubilee i hope you get alright bettet and fixed ahain

[@transitmaestro6410]

shoulda never got rid of all those 83 stock so early man

[@MemeReviewer]

Yes, or the C-Stock and D-Stock

[@bfapple]

@@MemeReviewer What are you on about? The C Stock was nasty and long overdue for replacement.

[@sidewalk__]

They wanted to get rid of the 83 stock solely because of single-leaf doors

[@TeamSenke]

@@bfapple invalid opinion

[@bfapple]

@@TeamSenke ??

[@skullgeezer7174]

Due to the high similarity, they should just transfer a couple 1995 stocks for the operations if needed if this were to be found on more jubilee line trains

[@MelihNergiz-j7q]

What about the PSD?

[@skullgeezer7174]

@@MelihNergiz-j7q Trains would have to terminate early at Green Park due to the 95 stock’s incompatibility with the PSDs

[@craigr07572]

How late did you film this? Literally no one on the platform. Ah 2:48 I got my answer.

[@dmozi]

Bruh imagine doing it in mid day

[@PsychedelicKen]

There are now 9 Cat 1 defective trains.

[@forza223bowe5]

I bet the whole fleet is affected? I wonder why it’s come about now

[@PsychedelicKen]

Back down to 8 Cat 1 trains, but now cat 2 trains have been withdrawn from service as well. So 10 trains out of service at this time. The cause of the cracks is unknown at this time.

[@aads1001]

wait a second, aren't you the 'tube spotter' on the BBC Three 'Night Tube: The First Weekend' video?

[@tescotrain]

I come here two years later after TfL discovered it.

[@abdulajallohy5164]

Or if northern line or jubilee line get new trains, the northern line or jubilee line can transfer to the Piccadilly line to replace the 1973 stock

[@elliotsealpup4101]

I’m gonna miss the 1973 Stock if the Northern or Jubilee Line transfer the new tube trains to the Piccadilly Line to replace them. Those trains were my childhood and I’ve been on them before. Those were my favourite trains on the London Underground on the Piccadilly Line, and they are still in existence since 1973.

[@jzm5x]

I think the Bakerloo line could do better with new trains

[@MalaysianAviator737-8]

elliotsealpup 2020 present ah yes, the beautiful 1973 stock. Good memories. But isn’t the new tube for London replacing them and not the 95/96 twins?

[@bfapple]

@@MalaysianAviator737-8 Correct. The 2024 Stock is to replace the 1973 Stock.

[@GreaterAngliaFanClass321]

The Year of the Stock is year they were designed the 1996 stock didn’t came into service till 1997

[@TaylaHolland]

Great video! by the way, is there any way you can see if a jubilee line train is a 2005 or 1996 one?

[@techandtrains101]

Look at the dot matrix displays inside the train, all 1996 cars have red ones and all 2005 cars have orange ones

[@TaylaHolland]

Ahh ok! thanks

[@PsychedelicKen]

@@techandtrains101 I didn't know that, I'll have a look out for that myself. Also the leading carriage numbers of the newer carriages are between 96-120 and 96-126. The special trailer cars (the additional 7th) have a middle carriage number of 6 or 7. For eg: 96601 is the special car on 96001's unit.

[@tescotrain]

@@techandtrains101 So you were on a 1996 built stock?

[@SSS92934]

I think I know the reason, GEC ALSTOM had to rush the building of the trains in time for 1999.

[@techandtrains101]

Sources! Photo of cracked coupler draw gear: twitter.com/BBCTomEdwards/status/1185121104932855808 RMT bulletin 19/10/2019: www.rmtlondoncalling.org.uk/content/jubilee-line-train-fault-update

[@ASLEFshrugged]

On the Jubilee Line Twitter feed they say seven trains unavailable not eight.

[@ollie-jkiubn]

Techandtrains101 jubilee line are hard to brake in time

[@UltimateAzumanger]

1:01 The train looks really weird from this perspective. I like it!

[@konyctg]

Does the 1996 stock still have coupling issues?

[@TakoElevators]

Why's the FOV set by that much?

[@sebi01200]

2:37 that happened on the NYC Subway

[@aubreysolos]

I see you in the back, *W I L B U R F A N .*

[@transportenthusiast11]

This is the problem with designing trains to be cheapest to build rather than cheapest to run like the 1995 stock.

[@celestialkitten]

i was searching for the song but now im here 😭✋

[@BMF-NJ]

Can’t they borrow some from the northern line

[@PsychedelicKen]

Not that simple. They are different trains with different equipment and one less car.

[@saamirsyed4261]

@@PsychedelicKen but something is better than nothing...and oh im late

[@MalaysianAviator737-8]

Kenneth Shore let me guess. The difference is the speed and that they use Adtranz bogies for operations plus the one less car is not going to meet capacity demand?

[@malloufaussou1697]

Saamir Syed yes the northern and jubilee line train look almost exactly alike, but mechanically they r very different plus the northern has one less car and only goes around to 45mph. Plus, the platform edge doors were designed for 7 car trains not six. plus it wouldn't be in line with it. The three other doors would be opened when they r not supposed to.

[@jdlbusspotter0879]

So maybe the new train for London will be used to replace the new instead of the old

[@PopsukFun]

I checked on my calendar and I noticed that it was actually Thursday the 17th of october 2019

[@fidkrdk7283]

Cool 360 shots

[@D93-w5q]

17th of October was not a Friday. My birthday was on October the 18th and I remember that day being on a Friday. October the 17th was on a Thursday

[@iknowcomedy]

0:11 what word does that say?

[@Ash-vm6vy]

😂😂😂

[@FarmYard-Trains]

5:29 central line moment

[@BVECentral]

Oh TFL not a good month

[@benmandiangu]

Yes sir, also, hi BVE Central!

[@betojambo521]

56

[@sanjayvijayanathan5038]

Interesting, do you know who manufactured the trains?

[@ASLEFshrugged]

Alstrom

[@aq_h09]

Alstom or then known as Alsthom

[@forza223bowe5]

GEC- Alstom

[@sanjayvijayanathan5038]

Thanks, are they still a functioning concern? I'm presuming that they would be the source TFl goes to for spares?

[@TalesOfWar]

@@sanjayvijayanathan5038 Yep, they're still around. It isn't always so easy to just get parts for old models though even if the company that made them is still around. It's often the case they'll shut down fabrication for parts and spares and be unable to re-fire it up without great expense. You see this quite a lot with military kit like aircraft. They just scavenge parts from decommissioned vehicles until eventually they run out and have to replace the whole thing with something new, unless its something they can reproduce with relative ease.

[@ElevatorGuy9192]

It could be the doors and everything else in this train

[@ollie-jkiubn]

So that’s why a couple off days ago not Canning Town that this was suspended

[@CS_22]

The incident at Canning Town was to due with Extinction rebellion. They were protesting and climbed on top of a train, causing them to be delayed.

[@ollie-jkiubn]

First Friday I heard delays and today

[@ollie-jkiubn]

I said not Canning town

[@user-xw4zt9gc7l]

What is the FOV on your camera?

[@jdlbusspotter0879]

Can't they just borrow some of a different line

[@D93-w5q]

That will have to be from the Northern Line as they are identical twins.

[@milkandduckrailway323]

idk

[@beta.3984]

That would decrease service on other lines

[@beta.3984]

And they have different track

[@MalaysianAviator737-8]

Ghost Juicee never knew the 1995 stock runs on a different track compared to the 1996 stock

[@itsdanguo0519]

so if the 1996 are effected does the 1995 get effected

[@oldman1734]

Affected.

[@konyctg]

No, the 1995 stock was reliable.

[@victorialine222]

I dunno why the Jubilee line had this though

[@TubeSpotter77]

The jubilee line was built in 1979!

[@buksi6342]

Yes but the trains themselves are from 1996. The same trains don’t operate for the whole of a line’s existence, otherwise the Met would have trains from the 1860s!

[@TubeSpotter77]

@@buksi6342 the London Underground was build in 1863s not 1860s

[@Lauren-dz9fq]

@@TubeSpotter77 but 1863 is in the 1860s

[@TubeSpotter77]

@@Lauren-dz9fq I know

[@oldman1734]

Some of the Jubilee line was built in 1979. Other bits in about 2000.

[@IlI973]

4:00 *train entering to service*

[@harryelliott4310]

Jubilee Line 1996 Tube Stock

[@projiuk]

Good video :)

[@SN06BNF]

That Interior Refresh Looks Absolutely Ugly

[@raillens725]

And the Northern line? Those trains are not from the 96's? Bakerloo & Picadilly lines have older trains that run much better...

[@milkandduckrailway323]

the 95 TS

[@malloufaussou1697]

Yes but the 1995 stock wasn't brought into service until 1998 while for the jubilee it came in service in 1997.

[@malloufaussou1697]

Also its bc the bakerloo and piccadilly don't operate with ATO

[@brayand8022]

I say that the ATO reason is correct!

[@SMDBrosI]

Destination: stanmore

[@SMDBrosI]

Queensbury to stanmore to wembley park

[@m5791]

Wow Good

[@m5791]

Wow Good

[@turtleiswack989]

theres a reason-

[@celestialkitten]

london puts barriers on the tube line-

[@ElectroRail]

Don't make this about Wilbur Soot. The song has nothing to do with this.

[@turtleiswack989]

@@ElectroRail oo my bad sorry i interrupted your day sir 💀

[@odegamingshorts9776]

Stanmore to Stratford Guyssss!

[@odegamingshorts9776]

2:48 IN THE MIDNIGHT🤤🤤🤤

[@Samuelgamer365]

JUBILEE LINE IS GOOD

[@ollie-jkiubn]

Jubilee line another one taken not in service today this morning minor delays

[@odegamingshorts9776]

Is the 1996 stock

[@e400ev3]

9:09

[@Psevdonim123]

And people still hate 72 stock... Despite that it've been running for 40 years without any major problems and this 90's trash (maybe not really a trash but you get it) already starting to fall apart...

[@TalesOfWar]

72 stock is fine, but it's not overly comfortable. It'll be nice when the new stuff with AC and regenerative braking comes into service. The issue with these things is they weren't really designed for the way they're being used right now, and it's mostly just a single part that's having the problems.

[@Psevdonim123]

@@TalesOfWar AC is not really possible on deep tube. There is just not enough air vents for the output of AC. Regenerative braking is a nice thing, but where is the guarantee that it will be used enough to justify that? I just think that 72 (and 73) stock should still be run for a while, until someone can build a proper train reliable enough to cope with Piccadilly line and Bakerloo extension to Hayes without any constructive damage

[@TalesOfWar]

@@Psevdonim123 The majority of the heat generated by the trains is by the braking, so regenerative braking along with all the other efficiencies of better electronics, motors, materials science etc will result in less heat being output even using AC. The heat on the platforms is easier to deal with than in the tunnels, but the new more efficient stock will help with the tunnel side of things. You really need to do both at the same time for the best effects.

[@ishaanndynamicvlog5586]

Pooooooòooooooooolooolololollololoolololl

[@victorialine222]

GUESS WHAT THERES A JUBILEE LINE GAME ON ROBLOX ITS BETTER THAN OPENBVE