What went wrong for Hank Brown and Payton Thorne? QB Breakdown with Aaron Murray

[@scuffd3542]

This is some of the best Auburn content out there - as frustrating as the season as been, it's awesome to learn the concepts in play. Aaron explains things so well.

[@SnapsCFB_]

It’s been a lot of fun breaking it down

[@RobertHall-mq7ze]

@@SnapsCFB_ Appreciate the insight from a rival but good QB. You know from playing the game, it doesn't break down like that when you're in the pocket with huge dudes coming at you. Playing QB is more instinctual, especially when things break down, and that's when the great separates from the good. To sum it up, some dudes have what it takes, and some don't.

[@qdogg58271]

Can Aaron join the staff now so he can help fix what is not getting fixed. Seems like it's the same stuff every week.

[@Mikevdog]

He can't fix Yellawood

[@reaganlecroy7773]

In my eyes, Hank and Payton are pretty equal, Payton has better legs. But Payton is a 5th year senior, we now who he is, but Hank is a redshirt freshman. Let him play and develop into who he could be.

[@dr7820]

PT under throws all his deep routes and is scared to throw the ball on crucial downs, so he ends up holding the ball for 3 secs and takes sacs.

[@patricksullivan2261]

God willing Hank will be the starting QB for every team Arkansas plays this season. We should have given that kid the game ball bless him.

[@4RTigers]

Hank makes better decisions and is more accurate than PT. He’s young and is going to make mistakes because of inexperience. He needs to learn and grow which I believe he can. We know Thorne’s ceiling and I am Team Hank!

[@rooksbaby4169]

@@4RTigersI agree freshman mistakes hank had one bad throw others were wrs fault

[@oj3505]

after my frustration ended and looking at the film/game. Hank (like Aaron said) was just crazy good defense. Defender turned as it was released. (Great option just better defense.) The overthrow on the crossing was a good choice just got away from him. The curl was the only bad option tbh. Give hank time to adjust and I think they'll be solid

[@markmitchell4451]

I really like the breakdowns…. Alot of these mistakes seem correctable… that said, seeing upper classmen making freshman mistakes is troubling… where the line of coachability and habits is what these coaches get paid to decide and act on it…. Personally, I’d rather go with youth going forward and live with the mistakes for now with the steps to improvement in place. Jmo

[@WendyJones-zy8kq]

Really think they should have let Brown have the second half. Maybe be a little more conservative and run the ball. Let him have a chance to get his confidence back after the first half. We already know what Thorne is.

[@14mrh]

Agreed! PT has had 13 games of mistakes. Can't pull Hank only 1 half. He needs the experience and I think his ceiling is higher like Aaron said.

[@russellpayne070]

I have to agree! Change can be a great thing as long as it doesn’t happen too often

[@illfnkillu363]

​@@14mrhFreeze only put Hank in for the fan base. He was waiting for any chance to put PT back in.

[@Mikevdog]

3-9 team either way

[@russellpayne070]

@@Mikevdog Maybe not! Beat Oklahoma and everything will seem better

[@butchkerley]

Enjoy your analysis - didn't enjoy the game but I agree Hank has a much higher ceiling

[@SnapsCFB_]

Thanks!

[@autk]

Not even close, Hank is the best option

[@bksellers64]

I still have nightmares from the comeback you led against my Tigers in 2013. We all remember the ending but that was one of the most amazing comebacks. Ya'll were down 20 points with less than 10 minutes to go in the game and you engineered 21 unanswered points in a little over 8 minutes. Would love to see a breakdown of the 4th qtr. A good example of how maintaining your composure allows you to compete.

[@daltonkirby4927]

I really enjoy these breakdowns. Great content. 👍🏻

[@SnapsCFB_]

Glad to hear it!

[@BILLY-f1l]

It's really frustrating that it feels like every tip, every dropped pass, every ball that could possibly end up in a defenders hand HAS. We haven't been great obviously, this season, but we've had several once per season types of turnovers....like 4 of em.

[@270eman]

The team feels cursed. Just seems like nothing went their way at all.

[@tiffanyb4979]

Thanks for the breakdown. I agree we ride with Hank!

[@SnapsCFB_]

Thanks for watching

[@autk]

Absolutely should ride with Hank

[@ryanspeck241]

I love these! You do a great job.

[@SnapsCFB_]

Thank you so much!

[@happyhijinks]

Great content, love watching your stuff. You should consider doing a final grade of QB play (out of 100 or letter grade). It would be fun to see how different QBs grade out in your opinion across the season

[@SnapsCFB_]

I totally forgot to do that this week

[@tylerbush5939]

* sneezes * “Bless me. Thank you….hey guys, like and subscribe”

[@blaircoker4137]

Thanks for this. Lessons learned are good. PAINFUL but good. There is something missing at AU. I hope they dig deep as a Team. The outcomes can be life lessons as long as the Auburn Family doesn't "Frag". Mistakes have been had--time to grow. Does Hugh have the humility to let it happen. Got to change.

[@youngolf1]

Great job! Very helpful!! Keep it up......QB in these RPO's is a complex position requiring split second decisions and accuracy. Some of the receivers are not doing their jobs well.

[@SnapsCFB_]

Glad it was helpful!

[@CSpencer201]

Thanks for the excellent content!

[@SnapsCFB_]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@perseverance86]

You must dominate at NCAA 25!

[@SnapsCFB_]

Too easy at times hahah

[@Jbsutt]

As much as ive trashed my tigers this year, I think there's a slight possibility that we simply may have been cautiously optimistic one year too early. I can envision this team getting better. After all, both losses they beat themselves......and still didn't get blown out. If you turn the ball over like they do, and still stay in the game....that says something. (Wow. a rare compliment from myself)

[@illfnkillu363]

Yeah. Our fans need to fucking breathe. I hope Hank gets another shot,he will be much better than PT by the end of the year. Ready to break out next season.

[@JMcC64]

On the tipped pass INT to Coleman, was he supposed to be going 1/2 speed in his route by design or laziness?

[@Mikevdog]

Laziness? Really?

[@CultivationExpress]

I’m an Arkansas student and want to say I hope Auburn gets it together they are some of the best fans in the country I hate to see their coach throwing 20 year old kids under the bus. He needs to go.

[@timtorrez935]

How do you get access to the film

[@LawrenceFleming-v3t]

Great breakdown really enjoy the education.

[@SnapsCFB_]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@madisoncurrin3161]

Aaron WE need you coaching qb’s at Auburn!!!

[@JustinClayton]

How do you feel about the game plan? Should Auburn go more to the running game?

[@pickesc]

I think the better question is now that you are behind the eight ball on making a bowl game how long does it take for you to get Hank to where he's not making those mistakes? How many more games can you sacrifice a W for getting a young QB experience? A freshman is going make a first time start in Jordan Hare for Oklahoma. That doesnt usually work out well. Can one of these QBs play a clean game against a defense that is starting to look like a Brent Venables defense? Bowl games get you extra practices to work with young QBs. Turning a season around and getting win keeps your recruiting momentum and qualms fears and negative recruiting. I think the approach needs to be play the guy who you trust a lil more to get to 6 wins and worry about next year when you aren't fighting for bowl eligibility in year two. Hank ain't leaving but other guys might not buy in if you start him again and the results are the same. Thorne is gone next year no matter what.

[@colbymorris9004]

I don't think I trust Payton more though

[@Unbreakable91]

This is good . Like hearing what you have to say

[@SnapsCFB_]

Thanks!

[@f.scott.fitzbeagle]

Well, I feel better. lol. Thanks for this breakdown, Aaron.

[@SnapsCFB_]

Any time!

[@lestoncochran6927]

On the double deep cross, at 7:19, you can see the cross is open and their cover man is lost on the bottom of the screen looking lost. But the pocket had just collapsed because of a failure at LG, so he wasn't able to target the open WR and had to scramble for yards

[@TheGreatWhiteScout]

I've been collecting data for about 10 years on SEC teams (used to write for Track em Tigers before that site went offline), and Auburn's this year are actually not too bad - top third in the league on both offense and defense. Not excusing the turnovers, but it's not so much a coaching/player ability or quality of players as far as I can see. Cancel whatever snake-bite curse the team is under and I'm thinking OU, UGA and Bama ought not to overlook the Tigers.

[@Scottadamsfan3481]

Why don’t they have any hitch and go ? Or any pump fake and go routes ?

[@kevinkelley3657]

Thanks for making these videos. I enjoy watching this stuff when it is presented in a non-emotional manner.

[@SnapsCFB_]

Glad you like it!

[@jarrodparker1658]

Great review I just wish you would’ve also shown all of the poor throws Payton made behind the receivers that had KLS shaking his head multiple times during the game

[@4RTigers]

Really nice explanation! Much appreciated! Hope the dawgs beat bammer this week!

[@SnapsCFB_]

Glad you liked it!

[@ToomersCorner]

How do you get access to this film?

[@russellpayne070]

Interesting video! Our D played well enough to win. This team with all the turnovers reminds me of 1998.

[@danielbrower8475]

Where can one get this all 22 film?

[@rileyblack7160]

Brown has a very low, sidearm release. Are you concerned about that as far as accuracy is concerned, or is it one of those "if it works, it works" type of things?

[@BradfordH]

as a fan i think its hard to determine if mistakes are on players or coaches, after watching the film Aaron is there a way to detrmine the answer to that?

[@SnapsCFB_]

I can only go by what I have been taught for certain schemes. Idk what they are being taught. Most of what I have seen seems to be player error

[@generalsoul1]

We need someone who’s been an elite QB in the recent past to be on staff and coach up these QB’s.

[@generalsoul1]

Freeze should be able to coach everyone as a whole not just focus on the QB position. We need an elite QB coach who spends time solely with the QB.

[@generalsoul1]

Get Kent Austin out of there.

[@DonovanGG__]

I think Hank Brown has potential but honestly I think we win this game if Peyton starts. What do you think? Great video!

[@SnapsCFB_]

Thanks for watching. Hank is young, I think you ride with him

[@illfnkillu363]

​@@SnapsCFB_Me too

[@gwheat63]

I agree I think he should start Hank. I feel like he kind of panicked in the Ark and really should have let him finish the game. I say you let Hank start this lean a little more on the run and give hand some easy throws and try not to put him in the situation where he has to win the game for you.

[@ashton7527]

Honestly if this team wants any chance of winning 6 games I actually think they should roll with Thorne and just give up on trying to be a big time passing team. Roll with the game plan they deployed against Bama and Georgia last season. The defense has been solid despite being given short fields all season plus this team is one of the tops in yards per rush in the nation. Play keep away, teach the RBs to hold onto the ball and don’t give the QBs chances to turn it over.

[@robenalexander2387]

Start Walker White. Give him a chance. Actual dual threat and as an a Ark fan, I want to see the Ark kid get a chance. He should’ve been given the chance already after both those guys didn’t play well. Thorne did ok in the second half after taking over. Freeze went from first to second and back to first string. Give your other guys a chance.

[@markmason6869]

hank let that alligator mouth overload his rookie ability when he declared he would Dominate an already motivated team😝

[@autk]

BBQ

[@markmason6869]

@@autk 😝 tiger don’t taste very good, no matter what BBQ sauce you use👍

[@jacksons87]

Is he supposed to say he thinks they’re gonna lose??

[@brianwolfe9472]

Seems like Thorne executed better even if Brown has more arm talent (maybe?). If i’m Freeze im sticking with my guy and try to rally around him. Let the freshman get practice reps and be ready if needed.

[@chasitywood1740]

It’s called playing in the SEC. Gotta have a strong defense to be successful in the greatest league in sports

[@gabe8124]

If Hugh Freeze could just hire Gus Malzahn as the offensive coordinator and QB coach , while leaving Hugh Freeze as full time recruiter I think we'd finally have the winning formula?

[@Duckman501]

Hank learnt what not to say before a game😂😂

[@dbish3284]

I promise you he doesn’t coach to throw pics and fumble the ball. That’s individual effort and players who make tons of money on NIL need to own. HF also took responsibility and put responsibility on coaches. Don’t throw him under the bus for a 10 second sound bite from a 15 minute presser.

[@54Wde]

Hey Aaron, can you come coach our QBs? War Eagle!

[@SnapsCFB_]

Tell them to send over a contract!

[@user-lb9lb1sg6f]

Freeze is asking too much of these QBs. I was confident in Thorne going into this year because I thought Freeze would dial back the responsibilities of the QBs. Instead he’s decided to bang his head against a wall. Either way…this is not AU football. You run first at AU

[@iancaen2977]

Coaching went wrong...9-3 and 10-2 wasn't good enough, so...

[@fuckcensorship69]

So we fired a proven coach with ZERO prospects anf then hired a dude from Idaho

[@deaconbleus8396]

I would like to feel bad about this, but just can't. It's called karma I wrote that, for coach Freeze, this job was NOT a step up for him, but at best a step sideways and at worst a demotion. To bad, it seems Auburn has run out of money to buy you out. It would definitely be a step up.

[@dwhitt79]

Coach deserves a lot of apologies.

[@aidanwatson910]

Hank Brown ran his mouth and passed himself out of the game.

[@ericrmccormick]

Auburn lays another EGG

[@ethana.3091]

They should start having church service at Jordan hare on Sunday morning because that team needs Jesus. They will be lucky to get to 5 wins this year😂

[@Scottadamsfan3481]

When you are just talking explaining a play it would be better for us if you just let each play , play on repeat , or a loop over and over so we can see it happen multiple times

[@keithkillingsworth5674]

Auburn sucks !!

[@jimbaughman4005]

Sorry but too much stop and go and stop and go video. Iit's irritating.

[@Jeff-b4t]

Auburn doesn't have a QB as it stands this falls on Freeze he could've gone to the portal last year knowing Thorne was inconsistent. We should burn Walker Whites Redshirt

[@270eman]

Why? So we can have triple QB circus? The team is cooked. Just plan for something else on saturdays. Let this team rot

[@hillbilly6638]

That's my biggest question. Is Walker White so terrible that he doesn't get a shot behind these 2? Turn the young buck loose!

[@fuckcensorship69]

He can play four games without losing a redshirt. Im not sure why we didnt see him against new mexico

[@Jeff-b4t]

@hillbilly6638 Bro He's a Beast but it's hard for Auburn Coaches to make a QB change ... Did you hear what Bo Wallace said about Freeze this weekend

[@Jeff-b4t]

@270eman haha as it stands right now it's a nightmare scenario

[@polishedconcrete-y2s]

Hank Brown and Payton Thorne sucks

[@brucevaughn3429]

What went wrong was Hugh Freeze was hired!!!

[@DefaultName-bm1rh]

Just get a Black QB and call it a day. Not one Black QB on the roster

[@hyperactiv8]

DJ Uiagalelei?

[@DefaultName-bm1rh]

@@hyperactiv8 he's Hawaiian

[@hyperactiv8]

@@DefaultName-bm1rh Go take a look at the top 20 QBs in the country. They don’t really fit your criteria.

[@DefaultName-bm1rh]

@@hyperactiv8 isn't your starting QB Black. And your top QB recruit is Black. Learn your team clown

[@firepainter862]

Pulling a top 10 or 20 recruiting class every year means nothing if you neglect the most important position on the field. Keep putting QB’s out there that aren’t up to par and the embarrassment will continue. The problem is coaching not our QB’s. Deuce Knight won’t want anything to do with us after this season

[@badfish7562]

4:03 ayo