What Went Wrong With The Terminator Franchise (Video Essay)

[@dafrog491]

Theres really only two stories to tell. 1. A prequel to The Terminator which shows Reese and Uncle bob being sent through time at the end.. 2. RoboCop v Terminator.

[@NeoConnor1]

Matrix vs Terminator makes more sense. Robocop has themes of social satire that wouldn't fit in Terminator.

[@dafrog491]

@@NeoConnor1 True. It would have to be a RoboCop movie. And quite frankly not as cool as a Terminator movie.

[@AarayKyramud]

Great comic. Lol. And uncle Bob coming from the future makes sense.....

[@AarayKyramud]

​@@NeoConnor1 except the op is referencing a comic from the 90s.

[@dafrog491]

@@AarayKyramud never got to read the comic. But if its anything like the story line from the sega game id be happy with that

[@DCMedien]

The first Terminator is the best. It creates such a unique atmosphere, and the terminator is very terrifying. An unstoppable killer, with no sense of humor, and the highest kill count. Even in the second terminator this breaks apart, who let's him smile or say funny things. It's not that bad in the second one, and also the second terminator is a very good action movie. But the first one is just different. And it started the way to make the terminator less terrifying and more laughable. Oh, and in my world the 6th part just doesn't exist, it's just THAT bad.

[@maladetts]

You're crazy. The second part beats the first hands down and is by far the best. Have you even watched it?

[@DCMedien]

@@maladetts I watched it possibly a hundred times or more. The second movie has a completely different approach, with more action. But, after all i like the hunting horror from the first movie even more. That doesn't mean that i don't like the second, in fact i love the second too

[@maladetts]

@@DCMedien Are you forgetting who's doing the hunting the entire movie in the second part?

[@DCMedien]

@@maladetts No. But with an own terminator bodyguard it's way less terrifying

[@maladetts]

@@DCMedien There was an entire exterminator of terminators from the future as a bodyguard next to the heroine in the first one. In the second, we have a terrifying liquid shape-shifter who's times more advanced than his slow primitive predecessor or current counterpart. The plots, thus, are nearly identical here and level out. You trying to dismiss the scariest fastest shape-shifter as a non-existent or "laughable" threat is more than odd here. You just seem to be entirely forgetting the actual movie and all its terrifying chases that kept you thrilled from the start to the end.

[@michaezell4607]

This is exactly what has since happened to the star wars franchise ever since Disney was allowed to get hold of it.

[@Jaxv3r]

Man the first film after with Disney purchase was such a disappointment for me.

[@LukeLovesRose]

It's simple. Without James Cameron behind the camera, the franchise is lost.

[@HumanHamCube]

He produced Dark Fate

[@judsongaiden9878]

@@HumanHamCube producer =/= director. Bruce Campbell has also produced.

[@greenkoopa]

​@@HumanHamCube he was on a conference call. That is not the same.

[@greenkoopa]

I both agree and disagree. His filming acumen makes t1 n t2 truly great. The IDEAS presented in some of the sequels were truly great. The execution left much to be desired

[@LukeLovesRose]

@@greenkoopa What are you talking about?? What more do you want in the execution??

[@carastone3473]

I kinda like Terminator: Salvation, but it somehow didn’t FEEL like a Terminator movie.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

That 2009 film was intended to roll Christian Bale in 3 John Connor films 🎥. Explain how & why he was so significant. To think audiences neither wanted or need AS was a big error.

[@foxdavani4091]

It’s not a terminator movie. It’s a war movie in the middle of Mexico in modern day, featuring Transformers, and robots that look like the Terminator towards the end of the movie. It’s not a terminator movie. It’s so modern that it looks like America versus the drug cartels of Mexico, featuring Megatron, and some guy who looks like Arni. Oh, and let’s not forget that idiot, who won’t stop screaming his lines, and some idiot robots, and an even more stupid AI who thinks that putting a control chip on the back of someone’s head, will prevent them from pulling it off, God, dammit stupid

[@aprox23]

I watched T2 with my dad at the theater, I was 7 years old. T2 blew me away, easily my favorite movie of that year.

[@leewightman8619]

The favourite movie of that year how many other movies was there from that year....it's the greatest movie of all time

[@aprox23]

@@leewightman8619 Home Alone and Hook were 2 other movies that came out in 91 that I really enjoyed but T2 was the best.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

1991 T2 was impressive. G&R music 🎶, action. New CGI & VFX.

[@matthewnicholas6365]

I think the single biggest problem they've had since T1 (not T2) Age rating. T1 18 T2 15 T3 12a T4 12a T5 12a T5 15 The first movie was for adults. It wasn't for as many people as possible. As a result we got a horrifying movie. T2 started the trend of appealing to a wider audience by dropping the rating, graphic content and language. By the time Salvation came about it was a bit pathetic

[@JammyGuns]

I'm not sure I agree with that, though I do think what you're saying applies to the Indiana Jones franchise with Crystal Skull completely lacking all bite and violence. But otherwise there's plenty of violence in T2 on par with T1, and even in the more anemic T3 a cop still gets punched clean through by the TX... It may be an issue perhaps but I don't think it's anywhere near the biggest. Really for me the Terminator movies have just fallen victim to the same problems as so many other franchises being produced in this age, chiefly prioritising style over substance - not just in terms of special effects but also dialog, characters, writing etc. Look what's happened to Star Wars and so many others. The big criticism 10 yrs ago was the abuse of CGI but it isn't even so much of a CGI problem anymore; they just flat out can't write characters or interesting stories now...

[@matthewnicholas6365]

@jammyguns8015 with each movie there's less visual blood/gore and less bad language. In T1, when Arnie starts shedding skin, there's blood all the time. By the time you get to Salvation there is nothing, nowhere. Each one is a little bit less "realistic" than the last. When people are murdered there's a lot of blood. When people are scared or angry, they swear. First one kicks off with "f**k you asshole" The worst in T2 from memory is "dickwad"

[@teethonthecurb161]

​@@matthewnicholas6365there's numerous fucks in T2 your memory is failing you my man.Fortunately I discard anything after T2 you are bang on there.

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

Here stateside all but Salvation and Genesys are R.

[@matthewnicholas6365]

@@WitchHunterSiegfried says 12a on IMDB, but that may only show regional ratings

[@matthewnicholas6365]

I can't be the only person who thinks T1 and the first Alien are better than their first sequels? I know the majority think T2 and Aliens are better than the originals, but not for me. I much prefer the horror than the action.

[@duprez2]

You're not the only one.

[@devontehuntley6274]

No, they ARE better. Deal with it. You just want to be different and be complicated. Obviously, you are not the only one, but you are in the vast minority and are morons. The originals are not always better and T2 and Aliens are evidence of that.

[@garrisonnichols807]

I grew up in the 90s so I saw T2 Judgment Day first on VHS. I didn't see the first one until I was in my early 20s on DVD at my friend's house and I realized I liked it better. The gritty fast paced plotline and Arnold Schwarzenegger as the bad guy was super cool. Also I liked Michael Biehn and wish he was in more movies. He's a great actor and played the part of Kyle Reese perfectly. You truly believe his character has seen some terrible things in his life and he did a great job telling us the audience what's going on. Unlike the action packed sequels the original Terminator has a dark horror movie feeling to it. I suggest not watching the other films they're shitty. Terminator and T2 are the only ones I really enjoyed.

[@rorrt]

Terminator 3 isn't as bad as I initially thought.. It just has too many silly parts which breaks the story. My favourite is The Terminator... In my opinion Terminator 2, is a little overrated. It doesn't have any of the stuff from the original that made it good.. Having a Terminator who can kill people with ease, coming up against another Terminator.. I didn't feel any stakes. And it's no longer a slasher horror like the first one.

[@judsongaiden9878]

9:25 Michael Biehn also struggled with that. If they'd ever gone to AA meetings together, would it have been ironic or unironic? 13:45 What it got right was taking place during the "future" war and not involving time travel. 14:40 That partially explains why they keep rehashing the same tropes over and over and over again instead of treading new ground.

[@carastone3473]

Best one was T2. The best part of T3 was the twist ending, which gave us judgment day.

[@kevinsullwold2388]

T2 was by FAR the best. I also thought Genisys was really good, I would've liked to see the other 2 parts.

[@Vicki_Benji]

Supernatural was NOT mediocre! It was a fantastic show that ran for 15 years. Mediocre shows don't get 15 seasons.

[@Skips10]

The reason was because after judgement day it would be really hard to make a sequel because skynet has already been prevented so there would no where else to go personally they should just have had a prequel for the battle against the machines in the dystopian future of the original timeline

[@neganmessias6940]

For me, the first 2 Terminator is one Story and they end perfect with the alternativ ending in T2. And i also like Terminator Salvation as a Ad On because T1 and T2 tell us the Story of the changed Timeline, T Salvation on the other Hand show us the Future from where the Terminators and Kyle Reese came. Its a a Prequel (because Kyle Reese) in the other Timeline. They have found a perfect actor for a young Kyle and Cristian Bale is great as John Conner. At the beginning of T2 we can see John Conner as an adult, and Bale fits in really well with that Actor. The Bale Conner could become this future Conner from Part 2. And indeed, J.Conner in T2 also has these scars on his face, which Conner also gets at the end of Salvation. It goes really well with T1 and T2. Hence, for me, T1, T2 and Salvation. You can forget all the others.

[@ruicosta1037]

Agreed

[@duprez2]

The Terminator was the best because it was an original horror scifi movie that caught moviegoers by surprise. I rewatch it more than T2. T2 was great because it built off the first movie. But it changed the ending from that of a dark future to a bright one. That was a great ending to the storyline but not a good direction for anymore sequels. Rise Of The Machines was decent but it didn't need to be made and it didn't fit neatly with the first two movies. Trilogy was unnecessary because it undermined and diminished the impact of The Terminator and Judgment Day. The main character went from being a terrifying killing machine to being an action hero then becoming a little less serious and a little too humorous. A prequel was a great idea but failed with Salvation. Bad story, bad casting, and bad directing. It should've had the same dark, horrifying tone as the original movie. Genesis and Dark Fate? 👎🏾👎🏾 the end.

[@dudepool7530]

Robert Patrick and Linda Hamilton carried T2. I watch it just for them.

[@carmelosgro6413]

I watched T2 & T3 on opening weekend

[@ZuurmanStudios]

Wrong Point Break poster, its from the remake xD

[@scribblesdoodles]

Seen them all and for me the first one is my favourite…the whole dark lighting and Arnold’s performance make him formidable!

[@MichaelBoltonsEntireCatalog]

T1 had lots of advertising on MTV. That's when cable started slowly eeking in the ads.

[@rluv4evr]

I've watched the first three and T2 was the best,

[@Viprz]

Terminator Salvation is, by far, the best sequel after T2.

[@Sammy.H.Redwood]

I agreed, T4 shown what the future. Between John Connor and Skynet.

[@trukeesey8715]

You asked: I watched the one that had the deep underground base, and didn't like it. I very much liked the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Listen to Prem Rawat.

[@CAM8689]

I do feel T1 is the best there just a sense of threat and a a vibe that has never been matched imo......I think as arnold became more popular him being a villian was probably off putting for some......in a way being kind of an indie thing with an unkown actor at the time benefited T1 in a way....they ratched up the humor for the sequels....wheras in T1 the little bit of humor was more matter of fact then aiming for that funny moment or repeating tropes to the point of parody.

[@manbehindthemask2010]

Poor Tim Miller, whom attacked and insulted the fans because they didn't like his WOKE film?

[@NickMichalak]

The producer was Andrew Vanja, not Vine, and you used a poster for the remake of Point Break instead for the actual Kathryn Bigelow film. You start making some good quality headway here, but it gets derailed by some sloppy oversights that are easily fixed and research.

[@Begining2013]

I didn't hate Dark Fate at all. Sure, it wasn't brilliant like T1 and T2 but I still had a great time watching it. The other sequels were crap.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Dark Fate was HIGHLY under rated. The film would have been more popular, got $$$ if not for CoVid19 😷 & web haters, d*&÷s who just wanted to thrash T films.

[@arekkrolak6320]

Two movies are not yet a "franchise" :)

[@untouchable360x]

T3 should've been the final battle with Skynet in the future. John Connor sends Reese and T-800 back in time in the ending. That would've made an epic trilogy and stop there.

[@HoshijiroTS336]

Here's an idea, how about a Terminator movie from the point of view of a regular family. Like how walking dead and things like that show the zombie apocalypse from the perspective of regular people, and how they cope with the tragedy. A Terminator movie that shows the aftermath of Judgement Day, and how a regular family deal with that might be interesting. No John Connor, no chosen one, No Arnie. There's over 8 billion people in the World. The Connor's weren't the only family effected. They could even do a time jump, and show the prototype t800's. ones that predate the Arnie ones. This is just one idea.

[@useyourtube]

Thanks for the video. I wish you get more views and subscribers! I like listening your essay and agree with what you're saying

[@viperguyz]

When Terminator 3 came out I was so excited and anxious to see it. I watched while on vacation and was very disappointed.

[@Chuck_A_Luck_Stank]

Imagine being so successful, that still making almost twice what you invested is considered failure. That makes filmmakers try too hard to do the wrong thing it appears. Continuing enriching work is adding something valuable to the epic. Capitalism entering the creative process is compromising to the craft. That's where parody develops. Parody had it's place but not to inspire.

[@kabirh3626]

There is only T1 and T2 no others exist!

[@donjames7647]

The terminator franchise is terminated forever ..

[@OmegaWolf747]

I wish Hollywood would've just left Terminator alone after T2's ending. However, the cash cow must be milked to death.

[@snakeplissken111]

What went wrong? T2 happened. And it was turned into a template to follow. As fun of a Hollywood summer blockbuster that still is, T2 introduced: - What you watched prior didn't matter. It is firmly established in the original movie that there is and can only be the two of them: Kyle and the T-800. Terminator tells the story of humanity's last battle against the machines. That's the entire premise. But you know... Hollywood sequel magic. And Cameron being approached by Carolco money men if he wouldn't be interested in a sequel. A sequel to his first hit, after his last movie (The Abyss) had rather flopped. Oh, so Judgement Day IS inevitable? And Skynet now is replaced by Legion? WHO GIVES A SHIT ANYMORE. - An almost 1:1 retelling of the previous film (just with more subplot fat and exposition slowing it down, lessening the impact). In an attempt to top what's come before, by introducing an advanced Terminator with a new set of special effects and gadgets. Whilst this almost worked here due to Robert Patrick's performance and Cameron's restraint to still make encounters up-close and personal rather than giving Patrick rocket launchers and whatever: Every sequel followed down that route. With the consequence that you cannot tell your basic Terminator action from just about every Marvel super hero action anymore: Special dudes using special abilities and triggering flashy spectacle effects everywhere. No matter how hard you try: If you keep on telling that story of a killer robot out to get ya, you're not going to beat the original movie that way. As no image and gadgettery ever is gonna beat the image the original movie transported as a symbol of its story: That of a machine not even letting go off its deadly routines when its barely functional anymore by the end of it: Skin hanging and rotten, eye gauged out, leg limping. And a frail and visibly mortal human being desperately unmatched -- and still trying to put up that fight for all of humanity and stop that machine. - Add to this that the Terminator had long since been made the source of popculture jokes, high-fives and family-friendly plotlines of "making him more human" since forever, and you lose all major impact your titular creature may have ever had. Good luck trying though. What's the next Terminator gadget gonna be, Hollywood?

[@johnrider5701]

It only needed two movies to tell the story and once the story had been told it didn't need to become a franchise like star trek or star wars. But unfortunately studios get greedy and logic goes out the window.

[@JonO387]

As far as I'm concerned there are 2 Terminator movies. They're both great but the first one is the best.

[@dwmarch]

I think the biggest problem with the Terminator franchise is that Hollywood seems to think there is only one single story to tell. Where's the Terminator version of Rogue One? Forget about the Connors for a movie and give us some new characters, new stakes and new locations. Stop trying to remake T2 for the fifth time.

[@brentmichael4770]

Hollywood dumps more money into CGi and messaging than they do good actors and story. It feels like their target audience is 13 year old kids. This will always be an R rated story and should target 20 year old men.

[@DannyB_2099]

AT 5M 27S THAT IS NOT THE 1991 POINT BREAK POSTER. AT LEAST NOT IN MY COUNTRY. IT COULD BE THE REMAKE.

[@JorgePerez-jg5cm]

Can’t blame Arnold if you tell him he is getting paid big money who wouldn’t do it.

[@fardinhasan2947]

I watched every one of the move except terminator dark fate and the tv series . My only reason watching these movies and loving them because terminator 2 was the 2nd Hollywood movie I ever saw and I freaking loved it so much .

[@IsaacHarvison-mt5xt]

3 and salvation is severely underrated I enjoyed both movies and Genesis is a misunderstood story about paradox timelines that skynet created

[@MrSuperKoon]

Don’t really agree that terminator was green lit due to Arnold playing in it. James Cameron was passionate about the film and eventually got it green lit by orion who believed it was going to be another b horror movie. Arnold was sent the script and was skeptical to play in it due to it being a robot. The movie was already in early production when Arnold was hired due to arnold getting the terminator character really well and understanding how it ought to be played.

[@andrewmurray1550]

I heard Arnold wanted to play Kyle Reese originally.

[@bozotheclown935]

When you want to milk the series for ca$h, it goes down the toilet. These are now [Ka-Foosh] type movies. I am surprised the terminator is now not trans to highlight even more crap and further drive people away. Who knows, maybe they will. [ Ka-Foosh].

[@EldonCult]

I thought Salvation was a good sequel. It was the only place for the series to go. Let's see the future. Could have been better but it was really the only sequel worth watching after T2

[@kingjohnsoniii6986]

My man said the n-word a dozen times. But that is the proper way to pronounce his name I have been telling my wife for years😂😂😂😂

[@mdruben]

Only two Terminator movies exist: 1 and 2. The other ones are a comedy (T3), a weird jump to the future (Salvation ), a convoluted action flick with a Sarah Connor who didn't understand Sarah Connor and look more like Betty White ok the Golden Girls (Genesis) , and Mexican T100 (Dark Fate) because why not change ethnicity for the sake of inclusion.

[@carlosfuentes7945]

The first Terminator introduced him as a heartless killing machine. Cameron wanted it to be that way, then he lightened up on T2 to make the character more like a Superhero & less like a villain, i.e the T1000.

[@p4rt_t1me_g0d]

The franchise doesn't have anything left to say, by its own design the story has been told. The director, actor, etc,none of it matters. The same as most older franchise films that try to add to the mythos. When everything has been said, what more can you do?

[@TheMightyCookieShow]

I don't know what the hell everybodies talking about them getting worse and worse as they went they didn't start getting worse until after salvation up through salvation it was 1 big overarching coherent story that you can follow with events that led into the next and I greatly enjoyed it and watched it all my life

[@kristiburgos7728]

What went wrong? They went past James Cameron. the end.

[@afunnyusername5599]

only watched the first two. reboots usually suck

[@Hicks-g1m]

The Terminator Franchise needs to go back to it's horror roots if it ever comes back James Cameron is really the only one who could create Movies that are masterpiece movies that include Terminator

[@robertsmiley2207]

I only liked Terminator 12 and Terminator Salvation the rest of the movies shouldn't have been made

[@higurashianduminekoconnect1702]

Sadly, I would agree normally. However, there were ways they could have made this franchise interesting with each sequel. Here is the problem and why I say something like sadly I would agree but. Now here's my but and that is the sad truth is this is a lack of effort more than it is anything else. It shouldn't have to be this way. This is a lack of effort, nothing more. It's absolutely pathetic. The terminator sequels would be so much better with a competent team and director behind it! Normally, Hollywood does make too many movies, and that's what ruins the movies, but this is not the case with the Terminator. It's just that the director behind the sequels after 3 is an absolute disgrace!

[@foxdavani4091]

Both Arnold and Jim are to blame. Arnold, because he allowed those directors to turn his character into a comedy joke, starting at terminator three, where Arnold was such a big star that he could have said hell no don’t put these jokes in and don’t make my character talk the scientific babble, but then Jim is just to blame because by constantly endorsing terminator movies just to be good for his Besty, he literally took our trust in him away because now we don’t trust what he says. I don’t trust either Arnold or Jim anymore at all. Both of them have shown that they don’t Understand the very things they were part of. Jim doesn’t care about his creations now because he is in the oceans with avatar and Arnold doesn’t care because he wants to be seen as Mr. funny guy. Nobody wants to actually put their head into that world anymore. They just wanna look at it from a distance.

[@notjeff_365]

I have seen the first 3, 2 is by far the best

[@Sammy.H.Redwood]

It is Tim Miller’s fault, not that actors or actresses their plays their characters. He was just at the worst Director making the terminator before him. It’s not the actors or actresses, getting the role of Dark Fate what ruin the franchise. He ruined what the movie was about and he ignored it, instead of accepting did that he failed he blame someone else. Why the movie failed. I don’t think Tim is a bad of making movies, but trying to blame someone else for his failure. Is just low and I mean, the directors of the other three movies. Didn’t blame their actor and actresses, for their failed of the franchise.

[@weaponxjediofthelinkueicla6445]

Yeah I would say Salvation is just as good as the original 2. 3rd movie is ok . Rest should not exist.

[@TimBooth-bc3vt]

2 is the best but I like salvation I like the way they took you to the judgement day after world that was always my favorite things about the other movies

[@cjeelde]

I've only watched Terminator 1, 2, 3 and 4 so far. The 4th is trash. The 2nd movie is the best. The 3rd is really good! The 1st is okay but still really cool! I got the 5th and 6th movies on Bluray but still not watched them yet. Wanna have a Terminator marathon ASAP: all 6 movies in 2-3 straight evenings! I just love Arnold as Terminator so I don't care that much if the sequels are worse as long as the sequels are good enough.

[@xSnappa]

Nice, same narrator from the channel “the detail.”

[@phantasmagoriac9225]

"Sierah Cawna?"

[@AarayKyramud]

Honestly, i liked all of them.

[@AarayKyramud]

Also let's not forget TSCC. Great show that made the WORST mistake any show can make....cliff hanger at the end of a season without a guarantee for a next.

[@alexisgreen4533]

T-1 And T-2. the rest SUCK!!

[@mozydiaz8296]

The 1 and the 2 are the best and the 4 is not bad too but already with the 2 Cameron started to do anything with the excess of jokes, certainly it was funny but it considerably reduced the tension and the horror that the first film had installed and that's where the 4 did a little well, fewer jokes and more serious like in the first (it just lacks a little horror). I wish there was a trilogy that chronicled the most important events of the futur war but that's not the case, at least we have the video game "Terminator Resistance" which did.

[@kevinheath6812]

The first terminator film is the only one that exists.

[@stuff3890]

And judgement day

[@Z3AL316]

I see and understand your point, the first is the best and it stands on its own, but judgment day is the greatest sequel ever made, and is a masterpiece and the perfect follow up to the original masterpiece

[@seanbrown453]

The same can be said for tgecAliens franchise

[@caesar349]

It’s simple. The series and story ended with T2. Anything after is bad amateur fan fiction.

[@SnowBunny_Elle]

All Timelines for movies and tv show is connected kzbin.info/aero/PLIQBUNIInppb85UAYAxUa3G6XT2FpTBui

[@markgundle4150]

T1 and T2 were the only unambiguously good ones because they were the only ones that really had anything behind them. T1 was a basic slasher horror film with an interesting premise, slasher films being a dime a dozen in the early 80s. T2 retroactively pulled T1 up as well thanks to its story, action, and effects (all of which still hold up incredibly well today). My thinking is that the key was its take on fate. T1 laid out in no uncertain terms that the war is coming and that nothing can stop it, while T2 not only upped the ante but directly challenged that hypothesis as well. Everything since then was simply a popcorn action flick at best, directly mimicking T2 with various gimmicks (Arnold being old, John Connor being the bad guy, etc.). Honorable mention to Salvation, though. Props for at least trying to do something different.

[@Chuck_A_Luck_Stank]

Hear me out.. Keep making sequels.. law of averages.. the next one will be the third best so far 🎯🤔🧐

[@Fortwicks]

This text was stolen from russian blogger GreenGrass, his video was released 1 year ago.

[@robertengland8769]

What went wrong? Cameron should have stopped with the first 2. Every other movie sucks! Somebody has to say it.

[@NeoConnor1]

Wow. You're so bold. Thank you for saying what everyone else is too scared to say. 🙄

[@JamesSmith-i8u]

That it sed stop making sequel's why not just give us 1 movie that's a prequel & a sequel @ the same time based 11 years after salvation but still the prequal of the terminator & terminator 2 time travel flaw. Call jenisis & dark fate a multiverse problem.

[@jasonward6723]

i think dark fate was an excellent movie i enjoy that film alot watched it a few times

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

It's good but could of seen a few tweaks.

[@edrodriguez4822]

Dark fate is trash

[@Luke_Rowe]

My ranking of the films 1. Terminator 1 (amazing) 2. Terminator 2 (still amazing) 3. Terminator salvation (not the best but okay) 4. Terminator 3 (bearable) 5. Terminator genesis (what went wrong this is terrible) 6. Dark fate (dogshit) They mostly get worse as the films go on

[@maxmahusayjr7258]

Totally agree to this tier list bro👍?!

[@Luke_Rowe]

@@maxmahusayjr7258 They get worse as the age rating goes down

[@Sammy.H.Redwood]

Good rates.

[@cessxiii]

All hardcore Terminator fans know that the accepted lore is The Terminator, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and Terminator: Resistance (the fairly recent and killer video game), while also acknowledging that Terminator Salvation wasn't awful. lol Any entry that follows and respects the history and tone of Cameron's first 2 films, while ignoring the 3 hideous entries that need not be spoken of.. lol

[@teethonthecurb161]

The Sarah Connor Chronicles was straight up trash every "Hardcore" fan knows there's only two movies.

[@dudepool7530]

Terminator is a part of what I have christened "The trilogy of duology". 3 film series, that should have stopped at 2. Alien and Predator are the others.

[@NeoConnor1]

Alien 3 and the two prequels are good, and get too much hate. Predators and Prey are legit awesome. Predator 2 wasn't that great.

[@cappa351]

Does anyone think the terminators being females was ONE of its downfalls? (I myself refuse to answer this question 😂😂)

[@marshamariner7897]

I've seen all of them...salvation my least favorite....1 2 6 3 5 4...in that order...love the franchise....but it needs to end✌️✌️🖖🖖🥺

[@no1up]

Dark fate killed it

[@ryandonovan5205]

Just like Indiana Jones should of quit after the second one

[@adamcompean9385]

You seen one treminator you have seen them all. All the same plot! Arnold is getting super old!

[@dudepool7530]

Yeah, but Patrick and Hamilton are amazing in T2. The only reason I watch it is them.

[@teethonthecurb161]

Treminator 8 :Rise of the Spellcheckers😂

[@calisthenicsmachine9725]

The original should have been the only film. T2 story is mess it completely contradicts and convoluted the story that was set in the first film. In so many ways T3 is easily the best sequel because its much more in line with the original in its ideas and message. It was also needed to correct the massive plot holes T2 made. Salvation was not needed but at least its coherent in its story. 5 and 6 are just garbage

[@leewightman8619]

A bad terminator movie is still a good movie just not a good terminator movie...dark fate and genesis are watchable

[@awotnot]

The problem with film franchises like Terminator and Alien is they're so good. Yet repetition is lazy and on the whole just does not work. The reason why these films were so good is they were original. The rise of the great TV series was a direct consequence of the failure of reboots to deliver. And this goes for T2 and Aliens especially. They're great films. And a lot of people love them. But the originals far surpass them. The trouble with these two films predominantly lay in the fact that sci fi horror and children just do not mix. That said. They're also just not very good films. Cameron for me is just another average director. But he somehow struck gold with Terminator. Arnie was nothing before T1. Conan is childish pap like the 70s Spiderman films. Pure rubbish. But T1 propelled him to the career we all love. Predator. Total Recall. Red Heat. Etc. The main problem with these films is not even the director. It's re-hashing a great story and expecting the audience to enjoy it as much as the original. The art of film is dying because original work loses out to established repetition. Asia arose because Hollywood just ran out of steam. Now it's all generic stories and rubbish characters repeating nonsense ad infinitum. So much is spent no one wants to risk a wet blanket. T3 is obviously far worse than T2. Particularly because by 2003 all these films suffered from a decent start but rubbish ending arc. Die Hard is a classic example. Great original. Pretty useless sequel. And part three starting good but going downhill thereafter. I think the creativity exists. But it's always the tame writers that get the job. And on top of that - T1 marked the near end of a golden age. By the late 80s films were just getting rubbish with a few jewels hidden in the dog doo. I know a lot of people will disagree with me. But the proof is in the pudding. No film is perfect. I'm sure plot holes exist in T1. Why didn't the machines just kill Sarah Connor as a baby for example. But T2. Jeeez. Remember that bit when thirteen year old John can break into top secret labs with his gizmo. How ridiculous. It's an extended scene that includes Arnie shooting up-the cops but not killing them - BORING - with his helicopter gun. They break in, have an extensive shoot out with the cops, where Dyson dies, and they escape. The cops arrive because, you know, radio calls them in. And the bad terminator gets the message. This is the most incompetent terminator in history. Where the hell was he when he got the message? Alaska? Did he get lost en route? And why did Dyson switch sides? So what if he sees the arm on Arnie. He was working on the damn arm from the original in a top secret lab. Suddenly he's on the good guy team. Talk about a weak storyline. You've got a kid who tells his protector don't kill anyone. And he survives. This is a kid. A bit of shrapnel could kill him and he doesn't even get a scratch. Same with Newt. Really boring storyline. I won't digress but Aliens is so full of holes you could fly the Nostromo through them all. Let's not forget an alien that can kill with its blood decides to get inside a cage IE a lift / elevator instead of just climbing up the exterior in seconds. And we know the planet is about to explode. But Ripley decided to shoot up the queen - because she sees an egg. Ridiculous. A good shoot em up scene. But childish story telling in the extreme. A lot of people say T2 and Aliens surpass the original films. But unfortunately those people are frankly just idiots. Remember when Sarah could not bring herself to shoot Dyson. She missed him with a thousand bullets whilst outside. Oh a toy hit his foot. That was lucky. His kid saves his life. Twice. Because Sarah can't shoot him. Not even to save her own son ... And humanity. So instead they decide to rob and easy to break into too secret facility and blow it up with a bunch of stuff that just happens to be laying around. Jeeez. This is really bad story telling. Sorry but it just is. Mad Max is the only sequel I can think of that comes close to the original. But even that does not surpass its prior masterpiece. One edit though. The only Terminator re-boot that needs to be made is a 100% set in the future war between Connor and Rees etc al and the machines. Now that would hopefully be a decent film. Maybe.