What WERE Jagar Tharn's Motivations? - An Elder Scrolls Theory

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@ceedott Жыл бұрын

The second theory was inspired by a post I found while researching this topic, so credit is due to the author. Link in the description if you want to read the whole thing!

@Jamiemundy32 Жыл бұрын

2:45 why does this look like something that came out of Warhammer 40k!?

@ceedott Жыл бұрын

@@Jamiemundy32just thought the style was really cool lol

@LegateLynx Жыл бұрын

This is a channel we have needed in the elder scrolls, covering more obscure lore. I like alternate scenarios we don’t see playing out, like if the Thalmor or Mankar succeeded.

@Jagar_Tharn 7 ай бұрын

You're exactly right, but you try explaining this to the lesser races. I foresaw everything, but apparently the Eternal Champion was a "Ruling King" able to rewrite the future. I killed him countless times, but he was drawn back to the world each time to try again. Reality is a cruel joke.

@dennisthefivestarman8177 4 ай бұрын

It’s so gay when people larp like this lmao

@rebelrouzer5318 2 ай бұрын

@@dennisthefivestarman8177not as gay as people that hate on it

@ganargxkraken 17 күн бұрын

@@dennisthefivestarman8177 Disgusting fur beast

@MaAg-mi9rb Жыл бұрын

I kind of struggle to see the second theory in light of Tharn's cartoon-villain tier comments throughout the game and keeping contact with the player (Who is increasingly close to defeating him) without ever trying to reveal his real intentions.

@ceedott Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s very fair. Again, Tharn was always probably just intended to be a cartoonishly evil villain, but it makes him seem really one dimensional compared to other TES villains. I think this theory adds a lot of depth to his character and is really interesting to think about, in that by defeating Tharn you would actually be dooming the world to a terrible fate. Though again, it is just a theory lol.

@Jagar_Tharn 7 ай бұрын

I was trying to intimidate him. How could I know he was a chosen hero, mantled by someone from a higher plane of existence? He never said a word to me.

@Gitshiver Жыл бұрын

Really solid theory, it was probably played fast and loose to begin with, knowing how the early days went, but by the time we get to Morrowind pre-production, I'm sure Ken Ralston or Michael Kirkbride had delved this rabbit hole and hid subtle breadcrumbs that wouldn't be chanced upon for 20 years!

@hedgehog3180 4 ай бұрын

I like that you also just acknowledge that sometimes it's just simplistic writing.

@D--FENS Жыл бұрын

I could see the Empire deteriorating and being increasingly taxed as Tharn diverts resources into preparations for the Oblivion Crisis.

@michaelcutler5538 Сағат бұрын

I feel like if the point of the imperial simulacrum was to stall the oblivion crisis, we would be able to tell by uriel's reaction to being freed. He seems quite happy to be back, and quite upset with tharn. Also, when you play arena, you die frequently enough that YOU WERE A FOOL TO CHALLENGE ME gets burned into your brain. Tharn had every opportunity to tell the eternal champion, "hey man, hear me out, I'm actually doing this to stop something crazy from happening", and if the eternal champion didn't believe him, then when the empirer is "released", he'd say something along the lines of "homie what are you doing, I was gone for a reason"

@PewPewPewdiediepie Жыл бұрын

Interesting stuff always thought Jagar Tharn was underveloped, really cool to see this and all the other looks you do into TES lore that most people don't cover. Keep it up!

@ceedott Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy them!

@Nathan_Lennox 6 ай бұрын

I actually grew to like Tharn somewhat throughout the game. I wouldn't say he was "cartoonishly evil", either. Although he was definitely twisted, there are points in the later stages of the game where he speaks you as a legitimate opponent, not just constantly speaking to you condescendingly throughout your entire anti-campaign against him, like so many other characters in this series. It always felt silly and unrealistic that opponents in these games would shit talk you and mock your efforts to defeat them up until the very moment that you are literally defeating them. Not the case with Tharn, though. As early as halfway through the game, his demeanor towards you changes and he starts to acknowledge you as a serious threat. From then onwards, he begins to greatly respect you and starts considering the possibility that he might have to actually face you directly because it doesn't appear that there is anyone or anything on Tamriel, at that time, that would be capable of matching you, except for him. Ultimately, this is exactly how things end up, with him challenging you one on one to come to the Palace and duel him, bringing everything to a close one way or the other. Which lends credence to the theory that he was making preparations as he could have been preparing a candidate to face the dangers coming to Tamriel and it came down to who was more powerful and eligible for the task- you, or him.

@KitsuneYojimbo 3 ай бұрын

It's always interesting seeing that Tharn sees you more as his rival than his enemy as you get further into the plot.