What were the Stone Giants in the Hobbit? | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth

[@GeekZoneMT]

Hey guys I hope you enjoy this week's video! I'd really love to hear your thoughts on these creatures, because I find them to be one of the most fascinating being in Middle-Earth! As always subtitles are available and feedback is welcome :)

[@otrovikbhorl9968]

Thank you :)

[@GeekZoneMT]

You're welcome William! :)

[@shadowcloudspher]

Great work and informative detail good video.

[@salomon380]

Great video Karl! I write my own book and always get new ideas when watching your and other youtubers Tolkien lore videos.

[@17Watman]

GeekZone Mountain Giants made an appearance in Battle For Middle-Earth 2 video game

[@hudsonball4702]

I always thought of them as assistants to the Valar or were another form of Maiar that helped to shape Arda during its creation and were in charge of its upkeep. Kind of like groundskeepers. Constantly keeping the mountains built up (or tearing a few down), redirecting rivers (or creating new ones), or moving till of dirt and land to other places or valleys.

[@fensoup7161]

wait thats actually a very good theory, that would make them kind of like non evil balrogs edit: That could also explain why there stories about them even though we rarely see them, maybe they used to be way more numerous but as Arda was completed they all started changing their physical forms to go to valinor.

[@RandomBazooka]

Imagine, if you are casually practicing mountain climbing in Middle-Earth and climb into a cave for camping, but it's the nostril of a Stone Giant and you make him sneeze by messing around in there.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Hah, this is awesome! 😂

[@timbotook6447]

The giants would probably think you were some sort of virus and they would start social distancing and self quarantining.

[@whoisgoobafish9623]

Even worse, one of their anuses

[@Roadrun98]

O.O

[@TinkyWiwinky]

Imagine trying to cross over a curvature-shaped 50 feet hill only to realise it's their dingaling instead...

[@bhar2855]

I was actually amazed when I saw them in the movie. The whole scene with them was EXACTLY how I pictured them to the T when I read the book. It's pretty crazy rare when you read a book, picturing scenes in your own way and then when that book gets adapted to film that someone else is able to picture perfectly how you saw it in your mind.

[@shadowcloudspher]

Bofur: "By my beard the legends are true stone STONE GIANTS!!"

[@GeekZoneMT]

When you think about it, massive moving rocks must be pretty terrifying for Dwarves

[@shadowcloudspher]

@@GeekZoneMT yess pretty damn phenomenal in their eyes. Good thing they wear the brown pants.

[@alexlemonds2838]

@@GeekZoneMT Right, because their entire culture centers around mining & smithing. Imagine trying to chip away at a stone wall only for it to push you back onto your buttocks. They'd become so paranoid.

[@GinnyFan765]

STONE LAZER GIANTS

[@PleaseNThankYou]

He always say "By my Beard!"

[@deanostanley8530]

Just when you thought you knew everything about middle earth...... thanks Karl for another great video!

[@GeekZoneMT]

You're welcome buddy!

[@Paulafan5]

The Hobbit was also written first and Tolkien was refining the world of Middle Earth as he went along. I think if he had written The Hobbit later on, the Stone Giants would not have been in the Hobbit at all. Not to say that Stone Giants wouldn't have existed in Middle-Earth lore, just not well into the Third Age in Middle-Earth. Maybe the party would come across ancient ruins that they discover was once a Stone Giant.

[@jacobwilliams6545]

Paulafan5 first in what sense. He wrote much of the lore decades before hobbit

[@joshuah.4496]

The only problem with this is that he decided to keep them in the lore after the lore had already been fully established. The version of The Hobbit we read today is not the original version. After figuring out all the lore while writing LOTR Tolkien found certain things in The Hobbit that he needed or wanted to be changed in order to fit it all within the same universe. So well after The Hobbit was originally published Tolkien wrote a revised edition which changed certain things about the creatures, lore/history, and relevant plot points. For example, in the original version of The Hobbit Golem actually willingly agrees to give Bilbo the ring if he won the riddle game, as the ring was a birthday present of his from a time when magic rings were much more common. Golem even willingly lead Bilbo out of the caves as a replacement gift when he found he had lost the ring

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

Stone giants might be a leftover from the earlier creation stages of Arda, that they were created as helpers by the Ainur to help shape the world, and that some kind of stone giant (a child?) was taken and corrupted into the trolls by Morgoth, since their flesh is alike to stone and they return to their natural stone forms when exposed to sunlight.

[@maclennanld]

I thought these were a figment of the groups imigination describing the storms effects in the mountains and gandalf was speaking in hyperbole

[@GeekZoneMT]

I can see why you'd think that to be honest, though I've always felt that the Stone Giants augmented the noise and chaos of the storm :)

[@maclennanld]

@@GeekZoneMT It also fit Gandalf's aloof tendancies to ask something imagined for aid

[@meduseldtales3383]

I would say the whole thing came from Bilbo's imagination, including Gandalf's comments.

[@crusaderduncan1628]

Meduseld Tales that’s what the shire said about the whole story hahaha, but I actually never considered the option before.

[@Iflie]

Yeah i read the books first but I too thought it was possibly it was an explanation for the sounds of thunder they were hearing. The way the people of old used to explain it by saying Thor was angry people seek explanations for the natural phenomena that scare them. But I don't mind the movie's depiction at all, it just makes the whole thing scarier because these things are so strong and make the company seem even more helpless against their fate. I think the writers thought long about everything they put in the story and why so it will have had a purpose. In books you can talk about their thoughts, in a movie you have to show it, it would be a depiction of their minds.

[@combineadvisorwithinternet6040]

Stone Giant: "Hey dude, catch this!" Company: *"Current objective: Survive"*

[@GeekZoneMT]

Relax man, it's just a massive rock, how bad it can be?

[@literally9056]

Can you talk like a human, instead of this smug, cheesy way that everyone adopts under the illusion of being "funny"?

[@snugglecity3500]

@@literally9056 what?

[@ElDuderinoh]

@@snugglecity3500 you fuckin heard him

[@snugglecity3500]

@@ElDuderinoh I actually did not as this is comment section is done in a text based format and thus no words were actually spoken.

[@ibonarzua2811]

I always imagined them very much like the movie version, as in literally made out of stone, as I thought them to be stone spirits. But I did imagined them as sentient as ents. However, as neither good nor evil would destroy the mountains they could not care less about anything mortals did. Could be wrong, of course

[@GeekZoneMT]

It's possible I suppose :) Personally the humanoid giant interpretation of the Lord of the Rings Online

[@andrewpaige1194]

I thought they were absolutely PERFECT in the movie! It’s a nice addition to the lore, to have more elemental/“chaotic” creatures, than just more and more of the usual

[@NateSceneTV]

I liked how they were portrayed. It reminded me of the British adaptation of The Silver Chair (Narnia) where there were stone giants throwing rocks at each other in a very similar way, and the team had to hide and run from the boulders

[@loremaster234]

Well now my heart is STONE cause now I don't no where the orcs go when they die! lol. Great video dude! Now i'm even more anxious to see the one about the orcs!

[@GeekZoneMT]

Don't worry buddy, I'll include it in next week's poll :)

[@loremaster234]

GeekZone *Insert dance gif*

[@weebtrashune8979]

The giants to each other while the company was crossing: *HEY BRO, THINK FAST*

[@frankkeller2726]

I forgot all about these guys. Can’t wait to finish watching later

[@GeekZoneMT]

Awesome, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it Frank! :)

[@frankkeller2726]

GeekZone I always envisioned them as Stone people. I wish movies would be more accurate. However, I do like to think of them as being Stone.

[@christopherakritidis2090]

Nice video as always. Could you still make a video about what happens to the orcs upon their death, it seemed rather interesting.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Of course Christopher, I'll make sure to include it in next week's poll! :) I'm sure I'll cover it eventually :D

[@danewilliams4041]

Is it possible that the term “giants” could refer to a variety of large beings in Middle-earth, even if they were not all related?

[@songohan4668]

My favorite part from "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" is the stone giants. The way the creators showed them is impressive, actually. I think that giants are an ancient forgotten race of men. Cheers. 👍

[@alexlemonds2838]

7:10. Favorite design.

[@GeekZoneMT]

That's from the Battle for Middle-Earth 2, it's a really awesome LOTR strategy game :)

[@alexlemonds2838]

@@GeekZoneMT Like the idea of Sauron recruiting Kaiju sized monsters into his army.

[@firetarrasque4667]

Honestly, I'm not surprised that the hobbits were afraid of the giants. The Hobbits are, after all, very short.

[@marcussilva4526]

I imagined them made of stone before seeing the movie but could see how it could go either way! Great content as always-you have piqued my curiosity about vampires and werewolves though...🤔

[@otaku-sempai2197]

It's hard to imagine any off-shoot of Men becoming as gigantic as the Stone Giants. It seems more likely to me that their origins lie in the Ainur or some form of spirit incarnate. Bilbo also remembers stories about ogres, which might be related to the giants, trolls or Orcs or might be other creatures altogether--maybe connected to the eastern legends of the oni.

[@donnatornay2537]

This is awesome! Excellent work.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Cheers Donna!

[@timbotook6447]

I always hoped they would make a return in the Lord of the Rings. I was glad PJ kept this in the Hobbit movie.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

Finally, sweet!! I've been wanting you to do a video on this for so long, so thank you 👍👍

[@mikrogamis721]

When I read the Hobbit I viewed them as a figment of Bilbo's imagination. BUT, as I read more, I view them as a version of a lesser Maiar (Caradhras, was view as "an angry mountain"). So Tolkien had nature spirits (i.e. Goldberry, Melian) that took humanoid form. So why not? It fits in with the Celtic setting he was echoing of 'spirits of place'. So why not? The storm wakes them, and then they "fall asleep"/merge back into the rock when done. Semi-sentient spirits of place. And obviously there were influenced by Guillermo Del Toro's stone giant from Hellboy II, and carried over from when he left the Hobbit.

[@natelw76]

2:00 thought that was a stormtrooper at first

[@DeadlyDanDaMan]

Like Ungoliant, the Watcher, Tom Bombadil, and the "Nameless Things", the Stone Giants were among the first creatures to be made into existence Arda. Nobody knows how many creatures were made in the very beginning except Iluvatar.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

_"Fell voices on the wind...!"_

[@ValnarianKnight]

I'm seriously hoping he does a video about this!

[@daliaflanders6598]

Excellent video Karl....your soothing voice make these videos even more enjoyable. I do wish that the portrayal of the Giants was done better as other characters and aspects of the book...nevertheless your videos add another intriguing dimension to the story of Arda and that could not have been captured in the trilogy.

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

The stone giants could be morgoth first attempt at making trolls as they were made from the mountains and trolls are rather large but morgoth likely wanted bigger but he kept failing to corrupt something that large (may sound strange but morgoth probably isn't as big as we tend to think (we know this because he wore the 3 silmarils on his crown and they were made by a elf so they were designed for someone around 2 metres tall to hold now melkor wears these on his crown so he's likely only around 5 metres tall))

[@GeekZoneMT]

Hmm it's odd that they weren't evil natured though if that were the case. What sort of creature do you think he might have corrupted them from?

[@thijs-p9185]

to correct you morgoth could shapeshift i think

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

@@thijs-p9185 very true

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

@@GeekZoneMT well it could be a similar event with the dwarves where morgoth tried to create new life but failed and the giants just sorta were there and after the war of wrath elivitar gave them life because he was bored or to help with the creation of nominor Or morgth corrupted humans and tried to make them larger but because of this they kept collapsing because of the square cube law so he remade them in stone

[@Seth_Cones]

GeekZone I think it could be that the stone trolls were a corruption of the giants.

[@Michchall]

Well that reminds me that I should replay War in the North, I really loved that boss fight with Bargrisar.

[@husted5488]

I always thought of them as beings made out of stone such as golems from WoW or Castle in the Sky. Interesting interpretation that they originated from humans, but my problem with this interpretation is the scale of the giants compared to the humans, as beornings and hobbits are much more human in scale and and size. The idea that they originated from humans is also in conflict with the fact that they're called stone giants and not just giants, because I think this is an important detail which indicates that they're probably more likely spirits of nature.

[@elric7415]

I think that they could have been a creation of Aüle the smith-god of the valar; It is said that Aüle created the dwarves out of clay cause he wanted a creation of his own. So what if aüle wanted to create stone giants as helpers to the dwarves, so they two races can fashion great works. I also believe that stone giants are going to play a part in rebuilding Arda with the dwarves after the final battle with Morgoth.

[@alexandravladmets]

I really liked this one, getting to now a bit about these enigmtic creatures, and I believe ALL of the theories apply depending on perspective. Mans idea of giants, the way Tolkien explored his ideas, the encounters with them- all could be true! I loved the much debated scene in The Hobbit with the stonegiants. A bit surprised at the "The sword of the giant NUN"...Nan of course :)

[@AnnaMarianne]

The drúedain are another weird off-shoot of Men.

[@ValnarianKnight]

How about the strange sounds that the Fellowship heard when they were going through the pass of Caradrhas ("shrill cries and wild howls of laughter")? Do you think there is any connection? I was kind of hoping you would mention that in this video, as I would love to hear your ideas on what exactly it was that the Fellowship was hearing.

[@willlittlewood4415]

I always took it as the laughs of Saruman

[@chane8824]

If not for all the other references to giants in The Hobbit (ex. Gandalf wanting to find a "decent" one to block up the Goblin door), I might have thought the giants in the storm were a fabulous metaphor for the intense violence of the storm, rock slides, and pounding winds.

[@matanefrati433]

It's been awhile since I read the book but I always thought that the giants were tolkin's way of depicting a storm. Never thought those were actually giants.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Yeah it's a common intrepretation. I've always felt that the Giants and their behaviour helped to augment the noise and chaos of the storm :)

[@His_Name_Was_King]

I agree...

[@thebrowneyesofmandalore]

I had a thought that perhaps the giants the dwarves and Bilbo saw were just their interpretation of of chaotic nature. That maybe there were no giants present at all but rather their smaller stature amongst such chaotic and fierce weather gave the impression of giants playing among the storm. Or maybe it’s just Bilbo being dramatic in his telling over the story of his adventure and he’s being metaphorical in his storytelling for a chaotic storm. A last thought I had that they were perhaps some Maiar that took residence in Middle Earth. That they took the forms of these Mountain Giants and were merely acting as spirits of nature, neutral in terms of loyalty to Melkor or the Valar.

[@dragonbreath4905]

U should do like the history mordor

[@GeekZoneMT]

Trust me, I've been working on one for months now, it's probably gonna be my longest video yet!

[@dragonbreath4905]

@@GeekZoneMT nice thx keep up the great work love ur vids keep safe

[@Undisputed_Dragon]

The stone giants. Always reminds me of the stone giants from Narnia too. And then I realized Ettinsmoor is in Narnia AND Middle-Earth. I read some crazy theories about Narnia being in Middle-Earth.

[@Bauglir100]

Ettenmoors=Tolkien Ettinsmoor=Lewis

[@Undisputed_Dragon]

@@Bauglir100 Still.

[@jackd.ripper7613]

Remember that originally 'The Hobbit' was just a tale for his kids and while it took place in Middle Earth, it was not intended to be part of the history of Middle Earth as written in 'The Silmarillion' which predates 'The Hobbit.' That came later after Tolkien's publishers wanted a follow-up to TH asap. TLOTR was that. 'The Hobbit' was actually changed in 1953 or so to more closely align with lore from 'The Silmarillion' so that TLOTR made more sense when he finally finished 'The Silmarillion.' He never finished it. He was revising it until he died.

[@PleaseNThankYou]

Thank you Carl (Karl?). My daughter just bought a " Family Edition" of The Hobbit and I can't wait to read it to the grandkids at night. But I had forgotten about the giants...its been a long time! Concerning the movie representation, I trust your opinion and description so I won't argue the facts. I will say that regardless of the original description by Tolkien or his intent, I REALLY liked the movie depiction. I thought that was not only fun but also scary as my dear Dwarve friends were in true peril and thought lost. I have seen it many times of course but was able to share the experience with those grandkids I mentioned earlier and I really got them going through the whole movie!! Cant wait for next visit when we watch DESOLATION. So exciting to hear their responses! Thank you for asking.

[@thijs-p9185]

oh nice a new video saw one from another lotr lore before think it will be quite the same :p

[@DrHydra47]

I read a comic adaptation of the hobbit once and it showed the stone giants as well human giants who wore loin cloths and threw bolders at each other for fun

[@5T3LTH]

I think that Bilbo added the giants to his book 'There and Back Again' just for the kids to understand how scared they were of the storm in the mountains.

[@deepankajbhattacharya3812]

It think in the movie the stone giants were a part of the storm. They were portrayed symbolically to add to the effect of the storm. Thunder and power personified by these stone giants. Thanks for your beautiful contents.

[@moviefanatic22]

to be honest, I didn't even know the stone giants were in "The Hobbit" so when I saw them for the first time in the movie, I'm all like WTF lol! and because of that, I got to reading "The Hobbit" again to see if those stone giants were in the book at all and I was surprised to see that they were! as for your theories, I feel it makes more sense for them to be forces of nature and as nature spirits, so I can agree with that thought because it's somewhat of a fantasy cliché! most fantasy video games involve stone giants usually as a boss foe of sorts! as for what I saw in the films, I actually enjoyed their brief appearance and thought they were well made! I enjoy each lore video you make, keep it up :)

[@imnotsofunny824]

Arda is kind of well *sigh* terrifying.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Best to stick to the Shire ;)

[@tikovidas]

It's the Australia of fantasy worlds

[@scottfree2248]

The portrayal of the Stone Giants in the movie looks great but I don't think that is what Tolkien envisioned. Just like in the movie version of the Battle of the Five Armies I feel comfortable thinking that Tolkien did not intend for the Goblins to arrive on the battlefield through tunnels created by Sandworms.

[@j-henry7391]

I imagine that tolkein was stuck between the ideas of the Giants being a creative license on the part of Bilbo and an official part of his constructed world

[@netko4725]

Can you make a video what if Smaug killed bilbo or what if Smaug was in Lotr?I would be very thankful for that.I love your videos.Keep on.

[@huanhoundofthevailinor2374]

Never really gave them much thought as they play such a small role but if I was pushed I'd say they were a manifestation of the storm I never really thought they could exist without a storm

[@guillermorodriguez3844]

From El Salvador, Central América, I did enjoy youre video, about the portray in the movies, is my humble opinion, that Movie Makers shuld always to be attached to the original story,

[@michelecastellotti9172]

It is sad that while This has nothing to do with them, is at the same time the most accurate description of titans from greek mythology:"Chaotic, yes, but far from being evil"

[@andrewpaige1194]

i LOVE them being made of stone! and what u said in the end of the video-i think they’re SUPPOSED to be creatures of base instincts, rather than fully sentient with complex intelligence and emotions, like laughter. very akin to the cave troll in LOTR. not only do i think that’s just plain all-around cooler and better, but i believe it fits everything better. they’re almost definitely not supposed to have the spirit of the secret fire, otherwise we would have heard something about them in the creation of arda, as we do with everything else, so that could easily lead to existing as an less complex being without a “soul”. the only other explanation i see is for them to be just some other undescribed entity, like the nameless things, but that just doesn’t fit well in my opinion, at all. it fits for them to be aule’s creation to pair with yavannas ents(which together r the “tree giants and stone giants”). well, whatever u personally subscribe to, i think them being truly humanoid, is unbelievably lazy and stupid, and being “stone giants”, them being made of stone is the perfect direction that i believe Tolkien probably intended(unless anywhere contradicts that). they’re totally unique and interesting beings of arda, as the huge creatures made of stone/made from the mountain. them being just large humans would be just as bad as ents being just large humans with leaves for hair, or just with clothes made from branches and leaves....how horrible and disappointing would THAT be?!? lol

[@justrusty]

I think they were likely to be nature spirits at most and probably only existed during storms. Most likely, if Tolkien could have recalled all copies of the hobbit and rewritten them, he would have taken them out and rereleased the story.

[@Incestrul_Lust]

Came for the lore. Coming back later for the Asmr

[@MasterMalrubius]

My original impression was that the giants were mythological and similar to explanations of natural occurrences such as thunder. It was not until I read more that they seemed to be possibly real.

[@GeekZoneMT]

Interesting, do you remember which book or passage caused you to change your mind?

[@MasterMalrubius]

@@GeekZoneMT I think it was re-reading that part in The Hobbit. Such as you mentioned about Gandalf talking about them and the dwarves' fear of being "kicked sky-high like a football". Or also could be some non-canon discussions on wiki pages.

[@DragonSlayerCommentariesHQ]

In lotr war in the North game, they give a good depiction of a stone giant. It's made out of stone but it looks like a man, and it was very hard to kill the game since it required an eagle to tear out his eyes.

[@toasty5296]

I imagined them as elemental beings that awoke during the storms and would play. as if they slept until a big storm happened. probably why it was almost a dream to them because it's so rare and seemingly incomprehensible

[@davenmidtown]

I'd like to think they were spirits of nature. I like that they were portrayed in such vast differences lending credit to the way nature shapes things.

[@Drawnartist]

I see the stone giants won the video choice nice! Good work Karl tho I will admit I voted for what happens to orcs after death tho I'm sure that video will come since it got second place last time I looked

[@optimistprime332]

I always thought it was a metaphor for how severe the storm was.

[@linkk4577]

I think they were created with the world by Iluvathar (sorry for missspelling) as a kind of Guardian or force of nature. And as the world becomes more stable they vanish more and more so that they are more or less gone. Cause they are not longer needed especially after Sauron's defeat. Maybe they reappear when Melcor/Morgoth returns. Maybe they are just janitors of the world.

[@TazioRatnayeke]

Can you do a video on the Ents and their origins please?

[@marckrieger3277]

Did'nt they came up when the fellowship tryed to climb the misty mountains? Iroughly remember boromoir hearing evil voices but it was not clear if that was his imagination runing wild or real and if that were truely giants. But somehow my brain conected this scene to the scne in the hobbit.

[@RafaGamesPT]

Some Giants or trolls threw rocks at the fellowship I think

[@mcdonaldsbigmac3935]

They would of been been helpful with the battle against smaug

[@cottoncatt1186]

It was through Bilbo's POV the Hobbit was written. Big Giants + Small Hobbit + night storm + nature of the writing style of the book = Bilbo exagerating what he percieved and felt for tale style storytelling purpose.

[@therealdarkwhale7977]

YES!!!! I love the weird and wonderful like this in Tolkien's universe.

[@girlyknight8817]

Like both theories, but I like da idea of dem being some sort nature's spirit. Or beings similar nature da best/better.

[@17Watman]

I miss seeing the actual quotes in the video like in his earlier videos

[@GeekZoneMT]

Hmm to be honest I usually use quotes for more philsophical topics such as Frodo's Moral failure or the morality of Orcs, otherwise I feel it's easier to understand the material by explaining it

[@ShadeMeadows]

I do prefer how the movies showed 'em! I do hate giants lookin' like big humans or neanderthals 🤔 Love the elemental look in the Hobbit

[@richardsanchez9190]

I first came across the hobbit in 6th or 7th grade. Had to do a book report on it. I didn't read the book I just winged it. Probably failed. Anyway I nevakena fan because of the fellowship of the ring in 2001 amd them read the books and became a huge fan and even to this day I'm learning new things. Like where the name tarlangs neck came from. I never knew the origin of it. Thanks for that. I love your videos. Finally a place that appreciates Tolkien. I used to visit theonering.net. not sure if it's still up but that was a good site.

[@davidp.5598]

Another most excellent video! Wouldn't you LOVE to sit down with Tolkien and discuss all this with him?? I am sure you would have a thousand questions!!

[@GeekZoneMT]

For sure, though I feel that retaining a certain level of mystery around characters and creatures really helps to keep us hooked to the lore, since there is always more to discuss and debate about :)

[@davidp.5598]

@@GeekZoneMT So very true!

[@rileydavidson207]

Imagine getting one of these to attack sauron

[@Ytremz]

It's fairly clear to me that these stone giants were illusions created by streaks of lightning illuminating the mountainside. During a storm, the contrast created between the darkness of the storm and the illuminated rock would give the illusion of mysterious giants tossing those rocks to and fro to the overactive imagination of a Hobbit.

[@jankaiglarova7917]

Great video! I really enjoy your work. 😁👑 It good to learn something more about this amazing world of Tolkien. 💖 Hannon le for making it. 😇 Wish you an amazing day. ☺️

[@GeekZoneMT]

Thanks Janka, same to you my friend! :)

[@jankaiglarova7917]

@@GeekZoneMT You're most welcome mellon nin.

[@azipoor3468]

Could you please make a video about creation of the sun and moon of two trees(from Silmarilion)

[@eds1942]

You’d think that the Dwarves would’ve had dealings with them or at least their own myths and legends.

[@rosbly]

This is really inspired from myths and legends explaining the sound of storms with giants playing drums or else. It looks like he wanted to use them in the story, as the Hobbit is a fable. Doesn't need to be realistic or explainable in the lore

[@JohnSmith-tt3go]

I like the idea that they were pure spirits, fea, that could inhabit stone and make it come alive.

[@kevinobill4818]

The Stone Giants are so violent in the Thunderstorm, they kill each other by throwing boulders on their heads.

[@nimenpalac454]

I love the idea of the ecistence of things in Arda that do not answer to the fight between good and evil, they are simply entities pf the world, which amplify the sense of magnitude of this world, in which not everything is known, and not everything can be put into a bestiary, as a cintific work, full of races, with its own biology. This adds to the sense that not everything in Arda is to be understood, explained and put inside this world as lego pieces, some things cannot be differentiated, and scape the realm of knowledge, and is part of the unknown.

[@roguemaniac7949]

When the characters call something a giant, it doesn't necessarily mean its an actual giant. Its just something thats larger than anything they've seen and dont know how to describe it. The stone giants seen in the hobbit move could've been accidentally created when morgoth was raising the mountains. They'd be naturally in nature because he didn't pour evil into moving mountains, and when manipulated the landscape, accidentally manipulated life into stone. Not necessarily creating anything, seeing how evil cant create, just manipulate and corrupt.

[@samparfitt8563]

Thank you

[@evancollins5339]

Great video. I but I mean honestly great damn video

[@jhunt5683]

Giant can be anything really tall. I like the stone giants I'm the hobbit, but my favorite are the flesh and blood giants from battle for middle earth 2

[@lancegraham2975]

Please do a video on baradur

[@egonieser]

If Yavanna was allowed to make Ents to be the protectors of the forests, why not Stone Giants the protectors of caves and mountains? Or maybe the were they early creations of Aulë since he made dwarves out of stone, but Stone Giants could have been a early/unifinished version of a dwarf? Dwarves believe they will turn back into the mountains they came from (one of the their beliefs) so why it's impossible to assume when Eru gave life to Aulë's dwarves, Stone Giants being maybe precursors of dwarves were equally given life at the same time? But being passive, looking like literal stones, nobody could really know where or when they were active. Maybe they were only active so rarely (what would a literal walking stone need to do anyway apart from maybe relocating once every several ages due to landscape changes or erosion) that they were only seen once by the civilizations of middle earth and thus have passed into legend.

[@marymichael2128]

As always, I appreciate your thoughts and videos. May I ask where you found the citations for Men's legends of stone giants as help for their buildings? I'm not familiar with that story. Also, I had the idea that hobbits weren't familiar with stone giants but had stories of trolls (large creatures that turned to stone at dawn) as referenced by Sam's song about one in The Fellowship.

[@FahrenheitTepes]

I could have sworn you talked about the stone giants already.

[@Shaden0040]

I think giants were Maiar who helped build Arda. Since Melkor threw up the mountains to hinder Orome from traveling across Middle Earth, The Giants in Middle Earth cut off from the guidance of the Valar, tried their best to tear down the mountains one by one under the cover of the storms of Manwe and Ulmo. Stne is difficult to reode by wind and water, and these Giants in the Misty Mountains added the natural erosion by throwing house and bigger sized boulders down from the heights into the valley below simulating landslide and stone avalanches. In the past these giants may have aided elves, dwarves and human constructions by cutting and hauling stones from the mountains to the respective folk, and thus that aspect of the legends might be true. No amtter how it was done the mountains were slowly dismantled whether by careful planning or by boisterous, gleeful, violent games. As to the look of Giants I would assume their skin seemed rock like, with craggy features. Their skin rflecting the types of minderals that make up the mountains in which they resided. I think in their own way they were equal in power to Balrog and wizards, being Maiar initially. Maiar tasked to contruct Arda, and then on their own initiative to remove the Melkor made obstructions to Orome in Middle Earth I would think their are Giants still in Valinor even in the 4th age and beyond. Like Elves their bodies can die and be killed but their spirits live on and their forms can be reformed, like Gandalf the Grey was reformed in Gandalf the White.

[@kevindegraaff9875]

IMO Bilbo had a little too much of the Gaffers home brew when he wrote this part in the Red Book of Westmarch

[@BJETNT]

You're a Siri makes the most sense to me especially during a storm. I don't think they were there just walking around normal I think they were only present during certain events otherwise they are would be a lot more about them

[@hobojoe9717]

Wait, there were werewolves and vampires?? You gotta do a video about that!

[@HoneyBadger1779]

Maybe they were nature spirits originating in the same manner as the ants and the eagles and the dwarves that maybe they were not part of the original plan but were allowed later. Or maybe they are just parts of the world that were created in the music like the best theory about the nameless things.

[@dafrenchie94]

I always thought it was just one big elaborate metaphor and not actual;y beings when I read it long ago