What will my next ADV Motorcycle be?

[@magiztern6921]

I own a 800DE. Fantastic bike. More HP then they claim för sure. Super gentle in low speed, Great balance and doesnt feel as heavy as it actually is. A lot of power in middle register. Great seat. No problem riding many hours. Super smooth quickshifter. Best screen for sure and easy to change settings for ride modes and ABS etc. Looks a lot cooler IRL then fotos for sure 😊

[@jonwoodworker]

Yes, get the 800DE. I think it would fit you well.

[@raphymartinez]

800DE all day. Would love to see it on here for sure

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

Go for the 800DE. I'll take Suzuki's reliability any day! I have one and love it, and I am not concerned about it starting or any other breakdowns. Fixing a flat is nothing compared to a no-start or breakdown in the middle of nowhere! Just as important, I'd far rather support Japan over the Chinese. And the Royal Enfield isn't anywhere near the 800DE's highway ability and comfort. Like comparing an Escape and a Mustang.

[@falchiherve2024]

Absolutely...v strom 800 is a total blast.....confort .. engine... everything is brilliant

[@maurolionelbaran6901]

Hello, from Argentina I am writing to you, there are three things that I do not rule out, power, abs, and tubeless...then I evaluate adding or removing things as I see fit...for those three they translate into safety...I do not rule them out for anything. ..greetings from the Argentine pampas.-

[@toltod]

Added Veridian cruise control on my 800DE. So far its been a great bike...did a little exploring on Arizona Trails. Its still heavy, but that is advantage when slabbing windy roads or having semi pass you. Its only downfalls are poor headlights and you need a bigger aftermarket windshield. Cheers.

[@adventureundone]

Have u done a tubeless tire mod?

[@toltod]

@ not yet. Was just thinking about a second rear rim to swap out when I get the budget…maybe woody wheels

[@jaspreetbains2776]

I bought a 800de and it's great.

[@falchiherve2024]

J ai la v strom 800 depuis 15 mois et 41 000 km ...c est une merveille et pas le plus petit soucis.....quel confort et quel motor !!!!

[@tieoneon1614]

After having a lot of expensive ADV bikes, and every dual sport/enduro Im on a new KLR ADV and just happy about it. Theres far too many bro's with not a lot of experience that think they are too fancy for this bike until they ride one. Its the only bike I ever had that I dont want to stop riding. Instead of worrying about the latest/greatest, I now spend my $ on trips with it. Ya know....what u are suppose to be doing instead of bolting stuff on for a camera shoot.

[@quickflick2001]

I want the 800de for highway, long distance trips and with the wife. I have a dr650 that can do just about everything. There are aftermarket companies for cruise control. I just need more money now.

[@perfectlynormal5729]

I'm seeing a lot of really positive things about the Aprilia Tuareg 660.

[@marshall3498]

You can add aftermarket cruise control for $300 . To the Suzuki 800 de

[@henryvaneyk3769]

Test drove the new BMW 900GS this week. That bike is a hoot, and it rides and feels more like a KTM than a BMW. As a KTM rider I was really impressed. Suzuki 800DE to heavy for a 800.

[@EastboundDwn]

Base AT manual with a quickshifter. DCT is heavier and really unnecessary. You have more positive feel with a clutch.

[@brucekendall52]

The 800DE would be perfect for you and everyone else if it had Cruise Control and tubless therefore its got to be the AT.

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

$300 for Viridian aftermarket cruise. Works as good as factory.

[@adventureundone]

💯 I would have one by now if it had both

[@HDHeroCam]

FYI Veridian Cruise makes cruise control for the Vstrom 800, all variants for just over 300 bucks.

[@gregs5738]

I really like your three motorcycle plan. The 2025 Africa Twin base model with DCT is a great choice.

[@louispaulter8733]

Vstrom 650 with tubeless rims/tires. But the Base Honda AT DCT is interesting…. OR the new Honda NX 500 for a new mod project.

[@trd4d]

I came close to getting a Africa Twin or a Suzuki 800DE. Either is a great bike. Was originally looking into a Himalayan 450, but I got tired of them dragging their feet getting it out to the dealers. Those were really the only two that peaked my interest. Ended up having a 99 Sportster dropped in my lap, so my search got short-circuitted. Took it to the dealer for service, and found a Heritage Classic. Held off, but they called and gave me a deal that I couldn't pass up. Now I am riding my X300 off road and the Harley on the street. I think I have the best of both worlds. Not afraid to ride the versys 1000 miles if there is dirt at the other end.

[@jbrown386]

The Moto Guzzi Stelvio looks like a very interesting bike for me, would like to ride one. I love my 21' ATAS, got it as a second bike for my Goldwing. Have 27k miles on it now and its still doing great. Only complaints are the awful seat and the twitchy throttle. I've been through two Goldwings (17',23'), 23' R1250RT and now have a 24' GSA. Through all those I still kept the Africa Twin. BMW has the throttle on their bikes so smooth just wish Honda could do the same. Even the 23' Goldwing was really snatchy compared to the 17'. Most of my riding is two up touring and dirt and gravel roads so I need something with plenty of room for us and luggage. The BMW is more expensive and now due for my first vavle check at 12k but it's what I wanted and life is short so enjoy.

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

If I were you, I would go back to the Transalp, and add VMX tubeless wheels, Veridian cruise control, 2WDW ECU flash, and LSK Electronics off-road dongle. Love the AT base too, but I would manual and a quickshifter. And don’t forget to get the LSK Electronics off-road dongle. 👍🏼 I know people love the 800DE, but to me it is fat and ugly. Excited to see what you get!

[@falchiherve2024]

No sir.....thé transalp engine is reaaaaally poor beside the v strom engine.....even if on the paper thé transalp has a better engine...in thé Real World the Suzuki engine is soooo much better!!! Dont believe me....just go try them the same day on after the other...you ll be blown away by the vstrom

[@johnnylong2049]

Check out kove 800x pro and the kove 800x pro $9k. 400lbs claimed wet weight.

[@mcoop571]

I have been seriously shopping for my next bike for over a year. Finally (after November 5th went our way) I picked up ‘24 Africa Twin AS,ES,DCT. 500 miles so far, very very happy after three Goldwings in a row since 2010. The big Suzuki was a contender, but reports of the heat from the radiator on your shins was too much for me to risk, as that’s my least favorite trait in a motorcycle, be careful of that one!

[@RetiredAdventureRider]

I just bought the RE Himalayan 450. I certainly considered some of the same bikes, and I think there is a big overlap in our use cases. But I have less money to invest and less experience on different bikes. I wanted a daily rider that's off-road capable. I had an Africa Twin (2016 DCT), which was too much for me off-road. I traded in my CRF 250L, which lacked the distance and power for camping trips. I'm interested in how your Honda build goes.

[@patrickhendrix8727]

Harley Pan America CVO

[@DesertCoyote-t5k]

CFMoto 450MT if you can find one, they are sold out. A lot of videos on the Suzuki V Strom 800DE on KZbin but if you’re gonna upgrade the rear shock that would be interesting.

[@TheIceMan9304]

I'm in Canada so we don't have the option of the base Africa twin with DCT or electronic suspension. We get the full-blown adventure sport or the base model manual. I think I'm going to buy the base model add a quick shifter and crash bars and some soft luggage (maybe a better wind screen) and call it a day. I will also be looking at a 300L or 300L rally version to ride with the kids on single track. I know Honda doesn't sell a crapload of Africa twins in Canada, but it would be nice to have the same options. At least that the US has and we could just order a bike from Honda and wait a few weeks or a month.

[@stevec2775]

I'd get the tried and true V-Strom 650 over the 800 but it may overlap too much with your Honda. Another bike I'd like to check is the Aprilia Tuareg 660. But your reasoning is sound for the Africa Twin! No matter your choice, I always look forward to your videos, and enjoyed seeing your short clip of downtown Jasper, Arkansas, near where I live!

[@lr_spb]

Have you checked out the Aprilia Tuareg 660? You can snag a used one for around $10K, and it even comes with cruise control.

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

It comes with Italian trouble, gutless, and little support!

[@lr_spb]

@@dwayneneufeld1696 Gutless? Not a chance. As for issues, that's exactly why I’d go for a used one-let someone else deal with the problems first. Plus, when it comes to character, Aprilia’s got plenty. Makes for great KZbin content too!

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

@@lr_spb The problems won't end just because the "new" bugs are fixed. There's plenty more coming. And it is gutless compared to the DE or AT. The DE has 20 HP on the Tuareg and the AT has 30. Don't mean to be combative, I'm just tired of Italian crap getting far more credit than it deserves.

[@lr_spb]

@@dwayneneufeld1696 Are we talking about the same bikes? The V-Strom 800’s got 4 more HP and 8Nm over the Tuareg 660, but it’s also 55lbs heavier. So, I wouldn’t go calling the Tuareg 660 "gutless."

[@adventureundone]

Yes but not night dealer Ms around me, nearest is about 7hrs away.

[@gregs5738]

I've heard the Suzuki gives off a lot of heat.

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

This is somewhat true but there may be an easy fix. I haven't tried it yet, but one owner rigged up a shield to keep the cat converter heat away from the right side, the hotter side. Just a small plate between the bash plate and the engine. He claims it made a difference. My concern was trapping the heat under the engine, but there still is a lot of ventilation around the cat with the plate. The heat shouldn't be a deal breaker to the average person anyway.

[@falchiherve2024]

Not a problem AT all....i have 41 000 k on mine.... just not a problem

[@evans4you]

I'm getting the 2025 ktm 1390 super adventure a evo with the automated transmission

[@davidrichardson5402]

Honda nx500 would be great choice,

[@ComfyDadShoes]

I saw your rally on FB marketplace. I would absolutely sell my dr650 to get it. It’s set up perfectly. I think you should definitely go for the DE

[@ferkuzuel]

I think the African twin makes sense, although the de800 could be if you really wanted to experience it and compare it to the AT

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

Stick to Honda, no need for 3 bikes though, but it's your hobby and channel...make it work. The Africa twin seems very nice.

[@markrichardson8382]

Oh oh oh, the Moto Guzzi V100 STELVIO woohoo lets go!!!!!?

[@doctadjong]

2024 tiger 900 gt pro ?

[@adventureundone]

I have seriously considered one

[@ryanferrera_mcz]

Honda got you

[@centralcoastcruiser2084]

Have you considered the new VStrom 1050 ?

[@adventureundone]

@@centralcoastcruiser2084 slightly, but I think at that price point I would be to tempted to just go with an Africa twin

[@terryomara9403]

Base africian twin seems perfect

[@papertiger795]

Consider the Suzuki 800 standard edition. Tubeless cast wheels, ready for a Veridian cruise... And its 10k. It wont do singletrack, but should handle a gravel road just fine. Or a Ducati Desert X. It will do everything you could ever need (except let you do your own maintenence on it). And geez... Just look at it. You can't buy a sexier ADV bike at any price.

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

When I look at the Dessert X I see Patric from Spongebob SquarePants. As with anything Italian... Fix It Again Tony:)) And Ducati makes maintenance... very difficult! Wouldn't touch that turd with a 10 foot pole.

[@papertiger795]

@dwayneneufeld1696 agreed about the ownership aspect of Ducati (not the looks, you're dead wrong there). But realistically... This guy goes through new bikes like mad, so any reliability issues on a Ducati are likely not to be a concern for him. He will have sold it and moved on to another bike (and yes, I'm jealous) long before any issues crop up.

[@SheldonGlass]

Royal Enfield Bear.

[@WyDave]

How about Suzuki V-Strom 650XT? No one has reviewed this bike so you'd be the first. 19 front 17 rear and tubeless.

[@David-m7f3g]

Cf moto 450 mt ❤

[@StreetSinner]

I'm also considering the 25 AT DCT, but I was excited about ES. Problem is, I don't like the white, but you can only get the ATAS in white here. So, question for you: is the ES overrated? I'm tempted to go Versys 1100 SE and just forget about anything but flat dirt roads, since I have a dirt bike already anyway and like inline fours (and also out of spite against Honda for not offering the ATAS in red or black in the US, not to mention my local Honda dealer stocking mostly KTMs). I really like the idea of adaptable suspension damping, as the road conditions here in North Idaho can be...variable. But I've never ridden it and dealers around here are allergic to test rides, which also makes me want to never give them a dime. Anyway, is the ES not that important to you? Also, do you think there will ever be an aftermarket EERA system which can be installed on any bike?

[@capitalfagulhaenduro]

AJP PR7🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹😁✌️✌️✌️

[@HAMILTONPROVIDEO]

Why are used scl 500s going up in price so much?

[@tecdive8045]

I don't think you asked the question correctly. At first your video leads one to believe that you are asking what ADV bike might be best for you, but then you realize you are actually asking what bike your viewers want to watch you review. And you are all over the place in your sizes. And the Royal Enfield Himalayan isn't even an ADV bike - it's a dual sport. And three low performance bikes and one medium one. Does it matter that you already have a 300 and a 500? good luck

[@adventureundone]

Not really, I was asking multiple ways actually. As for the Himalayan being a dual sport I gotta disagree, but you’re right it’s no big adv. I would stay with 300L, DR area for a dual sport.

[@tecdive8045]

@@adventureundone Since you disagree, question: what is an "Adventure" bike (with a capitol A) then? I'm not asking what bike you can have an adventure on (small a) - because one can have an adventure on any bike. But just because you can have an adventure on it doesn't mean it's an 'Adventure' category bike. Words have meaning, and for most of us 'Adventure' bike means 1. wire spoke wheels, 2. 21" front wheel, and 3. multi-cylinder. The Himalayan has a single cylinder so it doesn't meet all the criteria to be classified an "Adventure" bike. But I'd love to see your criteria for what defines an "Adventure" bike, and how it could be easily used to differentiate between Adventure and Dual Sport categories. cheers

[@adventureundone]

⁠@@tecdive8045I would say a dual sport can hit some single track. Yeah of course any bike “can”, but let be logical. Also kinda like the 300L to the 300L Rally. I guess all in all, I would say weight.

[@Lucca-wbt]

Agree with you, why put cars that aren't in the same class to compare, they're priced, product positioning is completely different

[@diggy-d8w]

The Himalayan 450 is an ugly bike but I'd like to know more about her..... not as much of how to build one out b/c ANY Bike can be built to do whatever you throw money at it to do. That said, I'd like to see how it holds up under riding. If you rode one a lot & let us know what problems you see & how well the Dealer's are at supporting their products? Buying & Modding is easy.... riding the bike for a time & telling us your experience is not easy = but that's what we need to know, if you have time/energy to give that? By the way ; this is what people need on every bike. To know how it holds up to riding & if the dealer helps you get along?? peace man

[@mikemills5144]

If it was your money I would get a Ducati Multistrada V2. Then you can compare it to the AT for me.

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

🤮 Do you want to ride a bike, or ride in a flatbed tow truck?

[@davidrichardson5402]

BMW 450 ?

[@marce6969]

tuareg aprillia!!

[@dragandimovski4935]

And yes, you're Honda boy, nothing wrong! Base Africa would be better with 19 inch front, better steering..better in curves..but that is. However it will be a little repeating the content, maybe not the best for the channel. Suzuki 800 is good bike but the heet from the engine to the legs is unbearable so it is only for really cold countries!! Also you recently had Transalp( better than Suzuki) which covering enough that segment.. Anyway looking forward on your next chapter! Regards

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

Transalp better the the DE? How? The DE has far better suspension, more ground clearance, more usable torque, carries more fuel, better dash, and easier to change settings. The Suzuki is made of superior quality components. There is no debating that! I like Honda, I have an Africa Twin AS, but Honda blew it on this one. The whole bike is made of cheezy cheap components. Not much thought went into that oil sump, ridiculous!

[@davidrichardson5402]

Drz 400 2025 efi ?

[@170bcuda]

Ibex 800

[@leonnoahnannemann8951]

Kove 800 rally

[@dwayneneufeld1696]

No Chi-com crap for me. Bet they don't last either.

[@motorcycleadventuretrips4742]

BMW 1300 cc GS or GSA. 2025

[@Thunder_Bear_mg]

First gen BMW R80g/s. New bikes are boring.

[@terryomara9403]

Voge 900 ktm 790 adv kove 800

[@tecdive8045]

I think you should sell your CL500 and your CRF300L, and NOT get an Africa Twin. Your CL500 doesn't do anything that your CRF300L can't do, except it's a little more road capable, but as long as you neglect installing a skid plate on the CL500, it's worthless off road. None of these Hondas are high performance at anything. The Africa Twin can eat road miles well, but compared to a KTM 890 Adventure R, is not in the same league off road. And you already had an Africa Twin, so maybe it's time to try something else. The CL500 also has the same problem you found with your Triumph Scrambler 1200XC - it doesn't travel as well as an Adventure bike, and doesn't off road as well as a light dual sport. I don't see the point of the CL500 for you, because it doesn't do anything as well as your Triumph Scrambler 1200XC did. Your CL500 build reminds me of the Triumph Street Scrambler 900, except the 900 is more capable and has a skid plate. If you really want a do it all arsenal of two or three bikes, then I think the optimal solution is: a KTM or Beta 350 or 500, & a KTM 790 / 890 Adventure or ‘Adventure R’. The KTM 790 / 890 Adventure only weighs 15 lbs more than your CL500, BUT has 3x more Horse Power, and superior suspension. Not only that, but the middle weight KTM can do most technical off-road stuff all day long and is fairly comfortable for long travel. And for real fun off-road, you want a KTM or Beta 350 or 500 for that. The gap between a KTM or Beta 350 or 500, & a KTM 790 / 890 Adventure or ‘Adventure R’ doesn't need to be filled, because it's easily covered with overlap between these two bikes. If you absolutely feel the need for a third bike, don't try and fit it in-between Adventure and dual sport; get something for looks, or on road performance, or just because. For you maybe that is a CL500, but for me it would be more like a KTM 990 Duke (looks throw you off at first, but watch a few videos demonstrating what they can do and they will grow on you), Triumph Speed Twin 1200, or something even more different. Good luck

[@alexstan5358]

Just get a proper bike !!! Cough!Cough!Cought! BMW 900GSA OR DUCATI DESERT X

[@adventureundone]

@@alexstan5358 I have been thinking 1250 gsa. Always wanted to try a big bmw with all the hype out there about them