What will the Lion do next? With @majorkill

[@WrenfroFowlerConcepts]

This combo of major kill and sandman is surprising but kinda makes sense. One is funny but is smarter than people give him credit for, and one is smart and funnier than people give him credit for. They’re the gork and mork of 40k KZbin lore.

[@MedinaPrime]

That’s perfect! 🤣

[@samdunn2297]

One is cunning but funny, the other is funny but cunning. We're not gonna say who's who

[@harvestblades]

Spot on! I'm betting Sandman is secretly a bjj black belt or high level muay thai/bare knuckle fighter hence hus name & that he woukd put Major to sleep! The SandmanofTerra if you sleep on him, he'll put you to sleep!

[@chadstorm92]

I hilariously agree to that

[@dro581]

Hahah big facts. Still don’t like major kill too much for strict lore info but exposure is exposure and he’s done a lot (more than a lot to be honest) I’m here for it.

[@MrBallYarn]

My man Majorkill actually speaking through a discounted Vox.

[@apexjager6185]

throw back to the old days

[@bretttaylor6394]

The 2 best 40k channels together at last - I'm not sure which one of you stayed up late asf to make this happen but it's greatly appreciated. No idea how the logistics of this would work out, but I think it would be very entertaining to see Majorkill and Pancreasnowork argue about the harlequins killing custodes during the war of the beast.

[@_SeeYouSpaceCowboy]

Think MK is even a high level 40K channel is banana’s 😂. Dick jokes from a narcissist with an ego trip. Watch out if you post a picture that’s close to his. YEEESH

[@angelotana3040]

One gits cunnin an brutal. One gits brutal an cunnin

[@killak3219]

I would never have imagined this pairing 😂

[@therevahchist2790]

The Old King is an allegory for the Fisher King from Arthurian legend. And the spear, chandelier and grail are a metaphor for King Arthur’s quest to find the holy grail which in turn is connected to the search for the Tree of Life. It was pretty obvious when the Lion found ‘Fealty’ in a stone in the same manner as how King Arthur found Excalibur. So, the Lion is probably going to go on some sort of quest to find the Tree of Life that Rus went after.

[@Nakorli]

Holy fuck! That would make so much sense! I really like this interpretation, although I'm not sure black library would use external metaphors...

[@br3030]

in that case why isnt it obvious to all brits such as sandman

[@therevahchist2790]

@@br3030 it is pretty esoteric.

[@br3030]

@@therevahchist2790 in that case you do seem to have nailed it

[@therevahchist2790]

@@br3030 Oh yeah, the Fisher King has a wound that never heals.

[@tazmokhan7614]

This is the way I see it going down, The Lion enters the room, Robbie G, " BROTHER!!!!" The Lion, " WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE EMPIRE????", Robbie G, " Sorry brother is like this when I got here, tea? "

[@WHHeresy]

Sandman and Majorkill are the combo I didn’t know I needed in my life. LOVE this

[@RSBurgener]

I think that Cypher's goal with killing the Emperor lines up with what Seraphax wanted to do in Son of the Forest: destroy Big E so that he will be reborn. The Emperor says "not yet" because he has not yet reunited with the fragment he gave up in The End and the Death that has gone off on its own and made the Star Child. The Emperor needs this fragment very badly because it contains all of his love for humanity.

[@bryanslama2716]

A comedy skit reenactment of the convo between the Lion n Perty would be friggin hilarious

[@punkrocktyler8199]

my cat likes to put on your videos while im sleeping

[@zachschreck]

A Chaos entity just rebuilt Caliban as a Daemon world, stole the Tuchalcha Engine, and is hopping through time and space. Its the perfect hunt to show the Lion forest-walking with his Risen sons and kicking daemonic ass

[@brutalusgaming8809]

I usually do not add a new 40K lore channel to my list. There are SO many of them now and I have been watching lore for so long now that it is all repeats and often they know less then I do about the lore. Glad to have found an exception to that. Subscribed.

[@Gunnberg85]

The Sandman + Dark Angles = You have my attention. For the Lion!

[@tk-7784]

Geometry is indeed dark in the 41st millennium.

[@Gunnberg85]

@@tk-7784 You deserve a pat on the back for that storm trooper smashing elbow into JarJar profile pic.

[@BattleBrotherZuriel]

1:00:00 Idk, When they mention a BLOODY spear, I think of the spear of Telesto. I think both the Chalice and Spear are a reference to Blood Angels and Sanguinius

[@copsaremonkey6970]

Next primarch Konrad curze loyalist

[@chrisharley5781]

Another secretive creeper Primarch, doubt it. Its gotta be one that balances the two we already have. VULCAN LIVES!!!

[@matthiasoc7141]

@@chrisharley5781 Dorn with only one hand.

[@lokisigmund3028]

I've been looking forward all day to watching this!

[@Krispyy2k]

I think the “not yet” was the Big E answer to Ciphers question he wasn’t able to ask him like “is it time to wake the lion” or “do I kill you so you can revive”

[@calikingsos]

Ah, the combo i didnt know i needed. Also i enjoy how you bring on other lore guys. I enjoy the back in forth.

[@bryanslama2716]

One of the best vids I’ve seen lately. I think u guys have found a great combo n should do these once a month.

[@Judiciar_Geo]

Goddamm, this one definitely hits differently, I love it. Vamos.

[@matthiasoc7141]

In reference to the Inner Circle Companions, the designers put in their WarCom article today that one deliberately has Ravenwing icons and feathers on him, so it's implied that at least some of them had been in the Dark Angels before the Lion returned.

[@djtomstorey]

Love this pairing!!

[@saro3212]

You can never get enough of the DARK ANGELS! Keep going Sandman! FOR THE LION

[@Kaiyening]

Omg these two together chatting is a dream

[@lexthefirst]

The lion trusting perturabo, when his defining character trait appears to be paranoia, is still wild as a decision.

[@xxpostitxx4843]

Best ending would be a redemption and a death. But a natural death when he rejects chaos.

[@codycurtin2295]

I loved that when we got the Fallen assemling in the Sommnium Stars we thought it was Luther's doing but ended up being the Lion the whole time

[@connorcmsmith4302]

The Fisher King is a figure in Arthurian legend, the last in a long line of British kings tasked with guarding the Holy Grail. The Fisher King is both the protector and physical embodiment of his lands, but a wound renders him impotent and his kingdom barren.[1] Unable to walk or ride a horse, he is sometimes depicted as spending his time fishing while he awaits a "chosen one" who can heal him. Versions of the story vary widely, but the Fisher King is typically depicted as being wounded in the groin, legs, or thigh. The healing of these wounds always depends upon the completion of a hero-knight's task. Most versions of the story contain the Holy Grail and the Lance of Longinus as plot elements. In some versions, a third character is introduced; this individual, unlike the hero-knight archetype, is ignorant of the King's power, but has the ability to save the king and land, or to doom it. Variations of this third party produce divergent legends.

[@lowkeyarki7091]

i always thought all three items pointed to Sanguinious. if the glorious hawk boy comes back then we have Imperium Secondus again but this time they'll be running the actual Imperium.

[@Tgruss]

If you can survive a Sandman of Terra lore interrogation then you are granted lore apotheosis and are granted a seat at the sand man’s table

[@blueg6demon423]

I feel like the Watchers let Luther out to gather the Fallen so that the Lion could address them as a whole.

[@andarchy1386]

I love these collabs it's like apples and oranges getting together and the juice tasting great wait that didn't sound right

[@md-sl1io]

the majorkill baldemort one was great idk if uve seen that one

[@vona8050]

Corswain would be the perfect Cypher

[@maffa2849]

Half Corswain, half Zahariel

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

100% Alpharius.

[@chrisandrews9856]

In relation to a question you received on the previous Majorkill hosted duo stream - if we ever did get a Primarch that swapped sides in some grand switcheroo, you can easily rebalance the sides by utilising the return of one of the lost Primarchs, which could also tie into finally getting some closure on the Rangdan Genocides.

[@d3AdLyf3]

Awesome combo! Man I'm nerding out rn

[@GarC170]

Lion going against chaos empowered Luther would be awesome

[@Ollaniusperrson]

Do you think that Grammaticus setting the thread throughout time is setting the thread of dates the emperor needs to follow from childhood? That's how he can be so sure of all of his decisions because he knows that he has to face Horus since childhood

[@LeCharles07]

WHOA! Sandman _AND_ Majorkill!? Throne be praised! The Emperor protects!

[@achilles8842]

GREAT ANALYSYS FROM 2 OF MY FAVORITE KZbinRS!

[@mrsmith5202]

The Lion is on the prowl.

[@CD-nk3jq]

Sooooo... Anyone e else think Cypher might be buddies with Valdor in his city of dust? Empy saying "Not yet" is a message to The King In Yellow to hold off on his end-game, maybe?

[@codyclark6779]

This was my IMMEDIATE thought

[@r.cdahuman7682]

That's a fun theory, but I see a relatively big issue at first glance: the king in yellow stuff happening in the books is going on before the return of Gulliman(I think roughly 100 years, but I could be very wrong), and the cypher bit happens after his return.

[@CD-nk3jq]

@r.cdahuman7682 Kinda thinking the King In Yellow stuff is gonna lead in to the Cypher culmination story, after the final Horus Heresy book describes Big-E turning Horus's play dimension in to The City of Dust. Or I may be way off and Geedubs have played me! 😅

[@OrbitStrike]

Careful Sandman, out of nowhere he might attack your integrity and character one day, exercise caution.

[@empyrealcultist1992]

Son of the forest reader was fantastic gotta agree with the guest there. Balors last moments were chefs kiss

[@redluke8119]

Great combo love mk and sandyman

[@jayallen5599]

I'm really enjoying these

[@aloyalspacemarine5761]

The lion going down occasionally is more he is off fucking up the threats of humanity and then when he comes back for a cat nap and a cigarette he walks down to see if anything is going on in the cells

[@ezequielmorales4221]

Majorkill is calling from the rock on the other side on the galaxy. I think Russ will come last just because he is looking for a way to regenerate Big E.

[@md-sl1io]

guilleman head of the adeptus terra doing his administrationy stuff and lionel johnson as head of the inquisition doing his inquisitiony secrety stuff

[@UnRu1eD]

I would say the reunion of Guilliman and Lion will be heart felt due to Lions Reaction of hearing that Guilliman is alive and walking and he says “Guilliman…. I’m not alone.”

[@HorizonIsHere1337]

Majorkill and Sandman is the duo we need, not the duo we deserve.

[@achilles8842]

@Majorkill I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW HUMBLE AND CAREFUL WITH YOUR WORDS YOU ARE BEING! HOWEVER I LIKE IT WHEN YOU TALK SHIT THO NGL! AUSIE AUSIE AUSIE OI OI OI

[@bagbah123]

What a power couple

[@Flyingmustard3645]

On the whole Lion/Luther thing, they do have a kind of Father/Child relationship. Weird, because of the the fast groing child, BigE coming in E and imperium stuff. But primary Luther was a knight, a caliban but somehow righteous knight. I like to think that during their fight he somehow restrain himself last minute that is why chaos wreck the planet and the lion survive. But 10k years of torment may have twisted that once again

[@squeesmyth9025]

be cool if the dead king had the clicking clock from the church of the lightening stone

[@matthewnegroe2354]

Somebody said they’re Gork and Mork of 40k lore💀💀

[@joshuarezac8590]

Hell ya!!!! This is awesome!!!!

[@martinrenthlei3303]

wlate christmas crossover we didnt know will happen lol. Cool to see the 2 of you.

[@larkin3607]

What I don’t understand ore maby misread. Is that in the old lore Horus made the gamble to lower his shield for the emperor to teleport onboard because hey was afraid that when the space wolfs would reach Terra he would lose the war. But in the new lore it’s the ultramarines. Ore am I wrong with this ?

[@michaelo5665]

The Lion is going to forgive Luther embrace his first father and redeem him with a thrust of a blade.

[@ryanremak8835]

Huge fan of this Collab

[@Liethen]

Idea for a prank: the laughing god swaps the crone sword and the laer blade so that when Fulgrim returns the Inari start chasing him

[@adamwatson1039]

The three items with the old king. The spear could be the spear of Tolesto (sp?). The chalice for the Bloods d Angels, and the candelabra with nine points all points to the blood angels primarch. The emperor wants the lion to bring back Sanguinius.

[@luckyman57890]

Majorkillz my fucken ßø¡ SANDMAN is the MAN, happy asf to run in to this 🤙🕶️🔥🚬💨

[@stephenkolostyak4087]

"What will the Lion do next? With @majorkill" "DruGs, LotS Of dRuGs. "I said Lion." "ThAt IsN'T hOW YOu SpeLL AnGron!" Also, the Deathwing company technically has no fixed size.

[@JaghataiK]

The Voice AND the Accent in a collab!

[@The_belligerant_servo_skull]

Brave of you Sandman, I look forward to Majorkill's expose video into how you're a fraud in a couple months. That's how Majorkill collaborations work right?

[@sasquatchandme3673]

The metaphor of the spear could represent Russ but it also could represent Valdor.

[@FORtheEMPEROR]

As a Lemun Russ Stan I will say that GW really wrote Lemun Russ out of the saeg of Terra in a terrible way and really fumbled the end of his heresy story imo

[@johngrant4688]

To touch on the three objects I believe your right about russ and the blood angel and the candelabra I think he finds vulkan to fix the golden throne

[@Alexandermhinton]

ugh i want that collectors edition dark angels codex

[@ghannos9869]

There was a White Dwarf blurb where Blackmane was asked how he felt about the rumors of the Lion returning, he said something about a son of the Allfather is a great thing or something like that.

[@Snifva]

I think if the lion and guilliman hugged it would summon Vulcan out of thin air, so we might not get that for awhile

[@Snifva]

"The mighty lion and the depressed reagent embraced in brotherly love" and from the nearby burning ruin of the very last tau city a deep earthy voice "Hugging without me brothers?"

[@bryanslama2716]

Lmao. A dark angels therapy circle scene would be hilarious. Where the fallen all confront the Lion about how secretive he used to be n how that caused the destruction of the legion! 🤣🤣🥲

[@xerat3562]

Impressive work

[@kashinkenobi3009]

Cypher is zahariel, cypher is corswain. Cypher is alpharius.

[@derekg460]

I'm a big fan of Dark Angels, but I would love to get into the books and stories. Can you suggest a reading list for the Angels, the Lion, and even Cypher?

[@alastairandrews493]

I'm sure this must've been mentioned many places but the whole depiction of The Old King in LSOtF was a reference to The Fisher King from Arthurian legend (since that seems to be the defining trope for the Dark Angels for awhile). The health of the land and kingdom wass linked to the health of The Fisher King in legend. Also the spear I agree is linked to the Appolyonian and Dyonisian Spears the Emps gave to Russ and Valdor. Links to The Holy Lance from Medieval legends. The Grail - Holy Grail but also strong links to the Blood Angels and Sanguinius. Could hold the soul of Sanguinius? Both the Lance and Grail are big plot points in the Fisher King legend. Sir Percival has to heal the king to restore the land and win the Grail. Obvious parallels there. The candelabra, again I think you're right in that's it's the Astronomican but also back in 2nd Ed the fluff repeatedly call the Emperor "The Only Light" So it's part of his motif too.

[@WI_Wanderer]

32:00 Im all about the Dark Horror of the Ghoul Stars!

[@briHammer40K]

The lion is consistently in my top 3 Primarchs.obviously it has changed over the years when new Heresy or Siege of terra or novels have come out,but yea he’s always in the big three for me

[@achilles8842]

THE LION DOES WHAT HE DO!

[@jamescarter8693]

I love collaboration 🎉

[@andywhite1712]

To me, the Men Of Gold are the commercial companies who sent miners into the extremely hostile environment of the galactic core, who evolved into the Squats to survive (Men of Stone). The squats developed mobile AI units to help with the labour and deadly conditions: it was these creations that rebelled and became known as the Men of Iron.

[@andywhite1712]

@maltheri9833Lexicanum entries 1. "During the Dark Age of Technology, the Men of Iron were created by the Men of Stone to aid them in colonizing the Galaxy." 2. "According to ancient accounts, the Men of Stone were engineered by the Men of Gold for the purpose of deep space colonization.".

[@twizt111]

First video I've seen major kill in that isn't exactly 12 minutes long!

[@bryanslama2716]

I Agree that Khan will b next. Then CC vs. Lorgar. If your goin off the direction of the current plots of the main novels at least. With a potential ghost of Ferrus Manus tossed in with the relaunch of the Legion of the Damned. I bet this will be the 3 youll see next.

[@LJD442]

As long as the Lion can reframe from shanking subordinates and brothers he’s going to be alright. Also they should have put Russ and the Wolves “behind” Horus’s forces and trying to get past them to Terra or something.

[@erih2934]

I would be very surprised if we don't find out one day that the Rangda corrupted number 2 or 11 and the Dark Angels actually were tasked to remove him. Remember the weapons mentioned in the Lion's primarch book to erase someone from the memory of the galaxy? ... also the Wolves never were really tasked to take out another legion, it was just the 'most loyal' Russ who couldn't execute a direct order from the Emperor and twisted it in his mind to something it wasn't based on his hypocritical believes. The wolves were always there just to bark, while the First were made to eliminate threats.

[@andarchy1386]

The men of gold are the perpetuals

[@ImperiumOfLuther]

Gotta love a Luther

[@andresperedo1275]

Maybe too late, but: You are totally right about Russ and the wolves in 30k. As SW guy it is quite frustrating: we got so little and so extremely irrelevant. There are several key ideas that went totally wrong with them, maybe caused by not having a "dedicated" writer or an overarching story (maybe cos they did not play a big part in the old lore of the heresy... but neither the dark angels). Just to point a few: - The idea that Leman and the wolves look like stupid barbarians in purpose, instead of making them look cunny, it makes them look like stupid barbarians (quite obvious!) - The thing of being against psykers is a total nosense. The closest they get to explain it is that they understand that there are things that is better to not know... but still, something is missing. I thought that, as the wolves are so relient on their instincts, it could be that they (or maybe just Russ) can "feel" when something is wrong with the warp. But the resulting cannot be just hatred, that is stupid. - The use of the legion during the whole heresy. After Prospero the only thing they do is to suicide against Horus, that's it. At the fact that they did not bring that up in the fight against the Emperor make their only contribution completely irrelevant and stupid (and not just from Leman side, but also from the Emperor's: why then did Leman got the spear if it is for nothing?) I wish they would have give some more novels to Chris Wraight

[@briHammer40K]

Hiya mate sorry I missed the livestream ffs the discussions on this channel are always really interesting 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@TerryTunney]

Also give a chance for a chaos tainted character to sacrifice themselves for the greater good

[@ethanvallance4989]

I thought that maybe cypher is supposed to kill the emperor at some point so that he can me reborn. This has to be at the right time tho.

[@peterga3658]

how is this 2 days old youtube bug? stream is amazing great work nexr primarch returning should be Vulkan or corax

[@connorcmsmith4302]

We know from Cypher that dark angel swords are keys what if the lions sword is a key to something on the golden throne. We know the Emperor foresaw Cawl so perhaps he foresaw that one day the sword would be needed to activate something but because he visions aren’t absolute Cypher got to the throne room too early

[@allanpeterson1137]

in the video he uploaded of your guys talk, when his homies come to say goodbye. and its just a bunch of buff guys broing out and you said "my contents a little different than this." I FUCKING DIED LAUGHING. you guys are a solid combo and Im really enjoying the content you two are making.

[@br3030]

oh man lol, i wasnt watching the vid and i didnt catch what sandman said but i felt his vibe 🤣

[@WesloTheHandsome]

Well Done Gents‼️👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻 -Cheers🥂

[@TheBrules2]

Can anyone explain how Luther and the fallen have all lived 10k years with no issues - yet in most books space marines past 600-1000years old are rare and have one foot in the grave.

[@touremenace10420]

Wish the sandman didn't involve himself with the riff raff

[@jij5152]

In end and death volume 3 Cypher-Zahariel is disemboweled by Typhus just as the Astronomicon is lit. It is left ambiguous as to whether he died or not but most likely he will be dead or die by the Scouring books and before dying will pas the cypher identity to Corswain.

[@erih2934]

Cypher is seen on Caliban dueling Corswain based on a Fallen interrogated in a Ezekiel short story.