What Will The Next ATEM Mini Be Like?

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Wondering what the next Blackmagic Design ATEM Switcher will be like? While I don't exactly have a crystal ball, in this video, I'll cover what I think the next ATEM Mini live streaming switcher should include based on what competitor's switchers are featuring and the market demand moving forward. I'm also curious what you think or would like to see so be sure to comment below with your ATEM recommendation!
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[@johnsmith-ti9yz]

The main thing I would like to see is 4K program recording, streaming can stay in 1080 for all I care

[@zephanmoses]

Agree. I don't care to stream in 4K nor will people really be watching on devices where that matters but I like 4K program record. What I like even more though is being able to double up a 4K feed where input 1 is at 100% scale but input 2 could be the same feed at maybe 130% scale so we can fake having two shots, a wide and a medium shot or being able to pan it around within the 1080p framing.

[@j.c.norman]

4K ISO recording is all I want.

[@zephanmoses]

I think a lot of people want that but with limited compatibility on hard drives I’m betting they’ll reserve that for their higher end switchers and people who can afford a hyperdeck for every ISO.

[@igorvuk4454]

4K atem pro iso mini is what we need, also two HDMI outs is a must

[@hibbasc1]

4 SDI inputs, 2 HDMI inputs, 1 HDMI output for MV, 1 SDI for program, internal storage for more images and videos for playback.

[@robwalker8530]

My guess for NAB? Maybe a 4k non-iso Mini Extreme. And maybe a new switcher and/or router that incorporates 2110 since they've decided to go down that path. I'm doubtful that other features like Dante or NDI will ever be incorporated. Personally, I'd like to see an update to the Smartview 4K monitor. I'd like a refresh somewhere in their multiview lineup. They recently released the 80x router, so probably nothing new on that front, unless they find a way to incorporate 2110. I'd expect more additions to their 2110 line up.

[@LikeThisReview]

Internal recording on SSD will be great (a big advantage over using the usb port); an alternative is to integrate the Hyperdeck shuttle in the same housing so there is at least one SD slot and you can do playback of switcher recording as well

[@zephanmoses]

I've seen a few 3D printed designs that would allow you to sit the atem and the hyperdeck shuttle together in one unit but I definitely wonder if they'd ever consider internal video playback or recording on the consumer lineup or if they'll keep that for the higher end stuff like the HD8.

[@MrClassicRobot]

4K iso would be nice! I like the idea of internal recording too. Maybe then a way to offload over the cloud. My biggest wishlist was though would be for streaming, to take the deck link and have that be an internal feature for the ISO models. Let each input be seen by a computer as an individual capture source.

[@carlosperalta5055]

It will bien nice to have 4 HDMI and 4 SDI imputs and get rid of the need of converters

[@LikeThisReview]

When switcher recordings are synced with BM Cloud (or iCloud) you could do playback from a Mac for example. Now you need for example an UltraStudio Recorder for that. Perhaps there is also a solution for instant replay (hyperdeck needs two seconds to switch from recording to playback)

[@MOMSVIDEO24]

I would prefer built-in playback capabilities

[@Volleykanalen]

I think the video playback feature would be the one I would use the most. I'd love to be able to edit like an interview on the fly and export it from my computer for playback directly in the ATEM, without having to use up one of the inputs on the device.

[@zephanmoses]

Yep, definitely a good idea for them to take away. Other people are incorporating it so I don't see why they can't. Only issue I could foresee is that if someone uploads a 4K video or an oddly shaped one being able to scale it to fit since right now they max out at 1080P.

[@allanclloyds]

I'd like #3, but I suspect what we'll get is a greatly improved media pool with support for stingers. I reckon they'll play to their strengths and add more graphics capabilities, cloud workflows, and tighter integration with Resolve with better project files (e.g. that support super source layouts) rather than launch a different form factor with a touch screen that competes with the Yolobox, unless they're refreshing the Video Assist. I think they might update their micro converters to do 25/30 to 50/60p conversion for PC monitors to deal with the SDI to HDMI issue, rather than an HDMI multiview on the SDI model. 4K streaming is relatively niche, 4K switching would undercut the HD rackmount units, and ISO recording would require some pretty high specs, so I'm less convinced about that. They might fudge it with upscaling on the encoder, without necessarily supporting 4K inputs/outputs, because they'll be refreshing that anyway to support SRT. Internal recording would add too much to the costs for what is their entry level lineup, so I don't think they'll do that either, especially if they take the view that most of their customers will be upgrading and have already invested in drives. Also, outside of a studio setup, having to plug in the ATEM to get access to the recordings is kind of a clunky workflow. An alternative to internal recording might be a line of branded SSDs e.g. like the AngelBird / AtomX stuff. What I would really love, and what I think what they'll eventually launch is a no-frills rackmount HD ISO recorder (i.e. a sort of HyperDeck ISO) without playback support, because 8 x HyperDecks is just silly, especially if you don't need the other features of the HyperDeck, and what's the sensible upgrade path when you want to move to their rackmount kit?

[@dwayneeaddy5882]

I would like the ability to connect an audio interface over usb and use the unused fairlight inputs. I would also like the see a full version of fairlight with vst plugin support.

[@cletuswa]

+1! Any digital audio input would be great, especially in today's Dante/digital mixer world.

[@LikeThisReview]

You have already animated SuperSource when you make the S/ SRC the fill source of DVE 1 and use RUN To A for example, nut yeah we want more possibilities (perhaps on Box level).It would also be nice when we can use Chroma for example on a Box

[@zephanmoses]

I think more of just having a simpler (dare I say preset) way of doing some basic animations without needing to program the run to features.

[@samrjuliea]

I'm more interested in Internal recording. Would love to see an access panel to an upgradeable NVME SSD, even if it made the ATEM larger and needing active cooling. The built in display would be amazing as well. Even on my ATEM mini, I don't use half the buttons (like the PIP as I don't like the default settings).

[@khemkhemmahdiroy9158]

In a future possibly not so far, I am seeing Blackmagic releasing an IP 2110 switcher with minimal I/O, but multiple 10Gb RJ45 ports.

[@zephanmoses]

Definitely a possibility. But requires all 2110 cameras too.

[@Spiquee]

Is there an event/ update about new blackmagic products?

[@zephanmoses]

Yes, if you look at their website there is currently a countdown clock: www.blackmagicdesign.com/

[@Spiquee]

@@zephanmoses thanks for the reply. :)

[@LikeThisReview]

Yeah we want more than 20 images in the mediapool and an easier way to load images from computer (Companion). A build in HyperDeck shuttle that works together with the media (clip) pool??

[@iamrawfilmmaker]

1,2 and 5

[@macca.production]

My dream is to have a dedicated bouton to add a marker in live when I do something wrong, invisible to the audiance. And when I go home I just check for the marker, correct it and export the new master. I cheat with a macro for double fade to black but I need something better. And you? What do you think about this "need"?

[@zephanmoses]

I like that. When I use Riverside they have a nice marker feature for my virtual recordings. The macro makes sense but obviously isn't the ultimate fix. I'm not sure that I have a ton of issues with needing to note when something wrong happens. Usually there's one or two little mishaps we consider acceptable in the live format and for the very rare client that would be super picky about it we'll just go find it and edit it out.

[@aaimginggraphics2411]

blackmajic REALLY need to look at what the OSEE box is doing....cause they are doing it right!

[@zephanmoses]

Yep OSEE was the first one to make me think about putting an SD card slot in it.

[@weslymathurin1656]

Super

[@zephanmoses]

Thanks for watching.

[@LikeThisReview]

Don’t understand why people are not using the select bus on the switcher panel. It allows you to change the Fill Source in Picture-in-Picture (select destination DVE 1 and hit a camera source button). OK, I use Companion with an extended select bus

[@nes_327]

Why not have an option that allows you to either use the MP or an NDI source for graphics that have an Alpha channel. This for me would be great if it could be implemented across all their switchers!

[@zephanmoses]

NDI is developed by Newtek which is a direct competitor to Blackmagic so I wouldn’t expect NDI any time soon.

[@fightflyers]

NDI will never happen. If we get anything remotely close we may get some ip2110 graphics with alpha over the Ethernet network.

[@nes_327]

You guys are correct, unfortunately Propresenter doesn't support IP2110 as I was looking forward to using the *BM 2110 IP Converter* for graphics (and capturing program for live streams.) Is there any 3rd party (possibly bidirectional) conversion card for IP2110 to NDI?

[@Jason-mk3nn]

Hopefully, the Extreme ISOs will be more reliable. I have had two Extreme ISO failures in the last year and BMD is absolutely no help when it comes to trying to find ways to figure out what fails in them, much less getting them to work again. Neither were even in heavy-use environments.

[@zephanmoses]

HDMI or sdi?

[@Jason-mk3nn]

@@zephanmoses HDMI.

[@zephanmoses]

@@Jason-mk3nn once I switched to sdi I haven’t seen any problems.

[@Jason-mk3nn]

@@zephanmoses Problem is I have a bunch of these in the field and tired of having to replace them. These switchers should last more than a year and a half to two years.

[@zephanmoses]

@@Jason-mk3nn While I didn't have any issues with my HDMI model, I can say that HDMI is much more prone to being damaged. It's not a broadcast connector like SDI and wasn't made for constant plugging and unplugging.

[@xlproductionstudios]

At Least Quarter Inch Audio Inputs

[@ScandinavianCoward]

NAB starts in 12 hours. Do you have insider knowledge about what Blackmagic is going to release? 😅

[@zephanmoses]

They have a launch today at noon.

[@Anil-uh2xb]

1&6

[@igorvuk4454]

Samsung T7 shield works on any atem ISO as it has great sustained speed. T7 is faster but not sustained like T5 and t7 shield. sustained speeds are key

[@michaelgabbard4761]

Hopefully they fix the over heating issue.

[@zephanmoses]

Haven’t experienced that in any SDI model but it does seem like the HDMI models struggle.

[@michaelgabbard4761]

@@zephanmoses It never happened while inside in a climate controlled environment. However, when streaming outside and the temp gets close to 80 degrees, the over heating would happen.

[@michaelgabbard4761]

@@zephanmoses It never happened while inside in a climate controlled environment. However, when streaming outside and the temp gets close to 80 degrees, the over heating would happen.

[@michaelgabbard4761]

@@zephanmoses It never happened while inside in a climate controlled environment. However, when streaming outside and the temp gets close to 80 degrees, the over heating would happen.

[@zephanmoses]

@@michaelgabbard4761 The listed operating temperature is up to 104º but I can see where the ATEM itself would get much hotter inside. I wouldn't plan on using this outdoors unless it's in the shade and with a laptop cooling fan but I think that if you're outside you certainly need to take extra precautions with any AV equipment, not just the atem.

[@LetsCelebrateTV]

4K compatibility

[@zephanmoses]

Ain't that the truth!

[@LikeThisReview]

For me an import feature for the atem mini / sdi switcher is the addition of labels to the button, ideally on the button itself (as in Companion) and not on a separate LCD strip. Not only on Preview bus / Program bus but also on the Select bus (and macros). It would be great if the DVE1 button on the select bus displays the current assigned fill source (Cam1 for example)

[@zephanmoses]

That's nifty. I like that idea! I think there's definitely room for the ATEM switchers to incorporate some of the features that streamdecks have with button customization.

[@becc12able]

4k scaler

[@zephanmoses]

Yes please!

[@DavidHunte]

4k with Upscalers

[@zephanmoses]

I think there’s certainly a possibility we see that at some point. I imagine it would cannibalize the whole atem mini lineup meaning they’d simplify it and not have as many different options. I could see an updated ATEM Mini, ATEM Mini HD ISO, ATEM Mini 4K and ATEM MINI 4K ISO.

[@DavidHunte]

@@zephanmoses I would definitely even love to see Atem Mini Extreme 4K and 4K ISO models

[@TonyOG100]

I want one to run my karaoke set up with a touch screen and playback available