What Women Would Wear in a World Without Men

[@jemi_]

Thank you for taking the time to watch this video & share you thoughts! I’ve decided to address some of the questions/critique below. ~Commentary on critique~ ✦re: critique claiming I'm a m*sandrist (censoring for YT)✦ In order to talk about why the very idea of a "women-only world" was born, of course the topic of patriarchy and its preferential treatment of men (especially white men) has to be discussed. I'm seeing many butt-hurt men in the comments complaining about my "man-hating", but I'm not going to sugarcoat long-lasting issues regarding the treatment of women and the LGBTQ community to make men, who are already privileged enough, feel better about the way they've let these issues prevail. I also have many men in my life who I love & respect (including my partner), but these men actually listen, respect, and protect the women in their lives. They know their privilege and have reflected on it and the issues regarding it. And sure "not all men", but enough for there to be evidence about the lack of improvement regarding women's rights throughout centuries. ✦re: women's fashion wouldn't matter because women can't exist without men✦ Did you watch the video? It seems not. I already said I'm not commenting on HOW such a world would come into existence or how it would run economically, socially, or otherwise. I mention brief possibilities of this hypothetical form of living at the end of the video. But if you try to discredit this video with "oh, but women can't exist without men", maybe you should book an appointment with an ENT because your ears aren't working properly OR maybe you need to actually listen instead of being salty about me talking about a topic that doesn't spoil and praise the patriarchy and talks about important matters ~some~ of us would love to sweep under the rug and forget about. Maybe instead of being offended by the fact that you feel uncomfortable, you should embrace it, sit with it and listen to what's happening around you. And help, any way you can. Support and protect women & the LGBTQ+ community (regardless of who you are), be a safe space to others. ✦ re: the corset comment ✦ There seems to be a lot of controversy around the topic of corsets, though frankly this matter should not derail us from the actual topic of the video, as its mentioned in passing twice (and if you think you can use critique on a short corset commentary as a way to disregard any of the actual important points & spread hate to the community, I will delete your comment). From what I've gathered amidst research, the corset seems to be strongly linked to topics surrounding feminism & women's activist movements such as suffragettes (who, for the most part, opposed corsets). When I mentioned it in passing as 1. reference to unrealistic body trends and 2. as perhaps an unrealistic outfit choice for manual labor, I wasn't giving commentary on whether or not they're harmful/useful. In doing research, I'm seeing both positives (orthopedic support) and negatives (damage to organs) about corsets, but the corset type I was referring to was that of Catherine De Medici's era (who enforced a ban on thick midriffs at court attendance during the 1550s) which contributed to an unrealistic body image (even if it also provided orthopedic support). ✦ re: women are judgmental ✦ With regards to women being the most judgmental towards one another, I do believe things could be different in a world without men because the expectations would be different from the get-go. I must admit alongside the commenters that women can be the most judgmental towards one another, and perhaps this wouldn’t change much in a world in which men ceased to exist rather than did not exist in the first place. In a matriarchal world, I think we would probably develop our own systems which would consequently affect how we dress as a collective, and how we treat one another. I do however think that because we are not competing for men, but rather regularly amongst one another, there with perhaps be a little less judgment, especially if it were a world in which they did not exist in the first place. I don’t think essential human qualities like jealousy, competitiveness etc would just disappear - but I do think the way in which they would take shape would be different. What it would look like in actuality, I can only guess. ✦ re: women would wear nothing ✦ While I partially agree with this statement, I don’t think it’s realistic. Not only do we have to take into account weather conditions, menstrual cycles etc, but we’d also have to factor in individual comfort levels, and again, perhaps worry about judgmental commentary from other women. I’m sure most of us would go nude, topless, braless, or wear very minimal attire, especially in hotter months of the year or in a tropical climate, but I do think clothes would still serve as a practical matter. For example, if we were to hunt, we’d want to strap our gear onto something - if we’re wearing something, it’s easier to attach other necessary things to it. At the end of the day, I think practicality, comfort, and one’s own creative pursuits in fashion (or lack there of) would be the defining factors in this. ✦ re: pre-existing matriarchal societies ✦ I actually didn’t remember to talk about this until I had already filmed my video, but there are (as others have pointed out) pre-existing matriarchal societies in which women are in power, and some even banish men from their societies. I did not include this in my research for this video, but would love to potentially explore it from a fashion perspective in another video - let me know if you’re interested and please share any more knowledge you have on this topic! :) ✦ re: male vs female gaze ✦ A friend of mine pointed out that I oversimplified the fundamentals of male gaze vs female gaze and sent me a highly regarded essay by Laura Mulvey (which I’ve linked in the description) to read. I’m hoping my overall message came across none the less, but I’ll be doing more research on it before I discuss the topic any further. ✦ re: individuality ✦ Some commenters pointed out that perhaps the potential increase in individuality would lead to worsened overconsumption - I suppose my perspective on “individuality” is that it can be achieved in sustainable ways, especially if the focus is on an individual’s personal style. Of course, if we lived in a women-only world to begin with, perhaps we’d have found a different way to make clothes, or a completely new perspective on their use. But in a world in which men ceased to exist, I think we’d initially reach a worsened level of overconsumption which could later decrease drastically when trends stop being about “what a woman should wear to appear more attractive/accepted in society”. ✦ re: weak conclusion ✦ I agree that my conclusion may come off as weak/vague and I do wish I had more time to expand on it (but unfortunately researching & filming these videos takes 2-3 weeks, and there’s only so much time I can dedicate to a single video). I’m considering making a second video to expand on the topic, especially with regards to the earlier mentioned pre-existing matriarchal societies. However, I did keep my reasoning fairly vague because ultimately fashion is very individualistic (as many of you attest in the comments), and so I don’t think I could narrow down our fashion choices to specific textures, shapes, or cuts. And for those of you critiquing how I address many other topics before arriving to my conclusion…this isn’t a Tiktok video. This is a video essay/thought experiment. If I have a hypothesis, I’m going to provide background, research, and reasoning behind my choices. If we cannot understand the reason behind our claims, they’re completely baseless, and I for one find it important to emphasize the WHY behind any argument. If you want a 30s Tiktok opinion video, you don’t have to watch my content.

[@mitzimadness4548]

I really appreciate the dialogue you have sparked with this video. In response to your conclusion about women not competing for men and thus being less competitive and judgmental, what about women who were never competing for men. I presume a lot more bisexual women, which some estimate as as many as half of women, would be in sapphic relationships in this world, and lesbians would still exist. We already live in a world where we don't compete for men, and as a lesbian believe me when I say we can be plenty competitive and judgmental, no men involved. Another thing to keep in mind is that individual fashion and expression on such a broad scale is actually a very, very recent trend. Not to say people haven't been dressing outside of gender lines or making subcultures for a long time, but fashion as individual expression is really a late 1800s and on thing, so only 150-200 years old. Look into dress history for more on that. I'm having a lot of fun thinking about this discussion

[@jemi_]

@@mitzimadness4548 You've got a good point! I mentioned this in another comment as well, but it's true that jealousy, competitiveness in different areas of our lives etc are inherent human qualities that aren't attached to one gender or a specific scenario. I'm sure we'd find plenty of things to still compete over or be judgmental about haha. As for the individualism/personal style aspect, it's true that it's (as a global trend that has finally received a name for itself) a newer concept. I do think it's something that would be easier to explore if we don't also have to take into account basic measures like safety etc. Or at least that's what I'd hope for, as someone who's style is limited by what makes me feel safer around men (otherwise you'd see me in one of those greek goddess-esque dresses haha).

[@dreamyanon5151]

Hi, and thank you. what is the music name in the intro?

[@jemi_]

@@dreamyanon5151 "Dearly Beloved" music box version from Kingdom Hearts (the videogame) :) One of my favorite soundtracks out there~

[@hollyingraham3980]

Tropics? In the tropics, black people get sunburns! The things you see working in Waikiki ... So, loose full coverage in wool, linen, silk, or cotton, opaque, layered, so you wick off sweat but don't get chilled, and carry your shade around with you.

[@alicec.6195]

1. Almost never wear a bra 2. Go to the gym with minimal clothes 3. Alternate between Barbie outfits and gothic witch.

[@Little_Lepus]

Bro, I think we might be kindred spirits 🖤💗

[@thewaterfairylexy5127]

Same

[@misshimejoshi]

LAST ONE IS SO REAL

[@kirax2572]

I do the same right now

[@woofwoofawoo-f7s]

GONNA LIVE MY WICKED FANTASY WITH THE 3RD ONE

[@charonstormborn8998]

I think all clothes would be super soft and comfy and have pockets!

[@jemi_]

omg POCKETS!!! And adjustable waistbands etc! Imagine how much wonderful it would be if we had more adjustability and practicality in our clothes, even whilst making them beautiful!💕

[@midwesthorrorfan5213]

Real pockets. Not those shallow ones on jeans now.

[@Ri57490]

We can do this now. The only thing we can't do now (regarding clothing) is wearing less clothes safely, particularly during hot weather

[@iantophernicus6042]

If I were ever to get married, Donna Noble will forever be the reason that I would insist on finding a wedding dress with pockets.

[@andreannegarant6346]

YEAH! Pockets! Laaaaaarge pockets!

[@jizaidieausserirdische1511]

I feel like women would show a lot more skin in a world without men, especially in summer when it's really hot. I know I would totally go shirtless sometimes if it wasn't for men who might seggsualize me because of it.

[@jemi_]

Agreed, I'd make full use of those greek goddess-esque gowns and sheer materials 🥰 If I did that now though, I'd probably get a stalker (or worse)...

[@joiedevivre2005]

IKR? I live in the deep South of the US & the heat & humidity in the summer are stifling - made even more so with leering guys that come out any time you wear a tank top or sundress.

[@Calle.Hutch..]

In the summer? Hell yea we’d be as free as the guys are today

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

I live in Tennessee. Its really hot and humid. I already see women in grocery store with shorts so short they cover nothing more than underwear and all shoved up into the crack of their behind as well with a spagetti strap shirt on. I dont think you have to be naked in public to be cool. Long airy flowing skirts are nice and they provide your legs shade. There is also sunburn which is why you never find me wearing nearly nothing even at the waterpark because Id be burned in 15 mins

[@magicmoonart]

I don't think you can do that. Women can be just as bitchy and judgemental as men if not more so. Don't think you'd be able to show tits. Women can be verrrrryyy worst of others showing skin. I watched lots of programs and noticed that men never made comments about women. The ones critical of women were other women

[@melodym4354]

I can tell you by personal experience: I purposefully dress down because I am afraid of bringing attention to myself. I use to dress more eccentrically, but I would get followed/harassed by men out in the world, so I am actually afraid to dress the way I actually want to anymore. I feel like if I dress nicely/uniquely/stand out whatsoever, it just makes me a target.

[@KxNOxUTA]

I did this purposefully to learn to no longer be scared. In fact if they approached me I drew clearn boundaries and was completely ready to defend them very loudly in public space if necessary. I both needed to experience that I am indeed capable of keeping myself safe, as well as have them learn that women aren't meat that walk around for grabs. And that no, it's not a bloody compliment to be perceived as f-able. Get yourself and your f needs to an f assigned place (we're talking about places that DON'T exploit women. But the "we are mutually searching people who are strictly interested in intercourse")

[@melodym4354]

@@KxNOxUTA You're very brave! I have been going through quite a few things and just haven't had the headspace/mental energy to take up an endeavor like that. I'm glad you found something that worked out for you though!

[@JustWatchingLilPeople]

Personally, overdressing and oversexualizing protects me. Men tend to assume my outfit is complicated to take off if anything or the weird accessories are hidden weapons (often they're not wrong), that my parents must be very confident in a revenge if they let me go out like this, that maybe I'm from some protective pimp nearby or have/look for sex openly, so might be one of the girls spreading STDs on purpose, due to an assault. Also, it always puts me in the center of attention - they fear everyone will remember both me and the men making moves, if they actually take me anywhere. All the assaults happened when I looked plain, was fully covered, natural, basic and unkept, because it sends the opposite signals from above. But depends on the creep's plan too, it might be aiming at the divas.

[@Eanki_]

​@@KxNOxUTA > Get yourself and your f needs to an f assigned place This hides an intricate amount of logistical considerations. This proper place for courtship and search for a long term partner is often delegated to a magical place where women and men are searching mutually for it. Where this place is, no one ever comes to even a remotely viable answer outside of college campuses and college events when you are still in university (and there is a reason for that). The bar or pub? Well, women also go there to be with their friends. Places like that too tend to gather extroverted party-minded folks. Show of hands how many of us guys and gals are not compatible with loud music and a rushing vibration of people? To pursue a long term relationship there is to risk pursuing a relationship with someone whose social life is incongruent with yours. And pubs and shared leisure spaces like it are ever dwindling, diminishing, in the face of unrelenting capitalism. Nerdy introverted places like DnD gatherings? You are going to be the weird guy attempting to briefly court the girl who is there to play DnD only? Speed dating places? Viable but very rare, especially for people in developing nations. Frankly that leaves dating apps the most viable method and it is a whole can of worms. A capitalist solution and product you pay for to solve a problem capitalism created. How very entrepreneurial. EphistemOphelia has a wonderful video essay on KZbin about dating apps and all its flaws. Her first video and it is already a very promising start to a KZbin essay channel. Now this does not mean we should abandon dating apps altogether but we have to be less reliant on it, wean it out. Where does that leave us? Frankly, the solution I came up with for myself is simple. The traditional way of asking for dates, going out and meeting girls. And if they get irritated because I am the 5th guy to ask them out that day and they yell at me, I just have to not take it personally. I have to move on. Dating for a decent introverted man is such a brave scary thing we do. Rejection is always a looming possibility but that must not scare us or make us take it personally. Endeavors come with risks and for long term relationships, the risks are as massive as the love we stand to gain and give.

[@thewaterfairylexy5127]

Same :(( ​@@JustWatchingLilPeople I wish I had that confidence to dress like that. I would love to dress more feminine, but I hate the attention and being stared at.

[@catherinesaunders6266]

I've lived alone since I was 18, I'm 28. The way I dress at home with my windows shut tells me exactly how I'd dress in a world without men

[@MrKanilammit]

Would you still dress that way with a female roommate?

[@kkuudandere]

And it's so preposterous when people use the excuse of "well, men are visual creatures" to justify gross or even criminal behavior as if it's simply due to some level of attraction. I'm attracted to women just as much as any man could be, but I couldn't dream of reducing a woman to just an object for my personal desires (at least not non-consensually🤭). Acts of violence are based in a need to control and rob a person of their own autonomy, it's never about "what she was wearing". anyway, I'd probably try wearing those like, reallllyy tiny miniskirts that barely cover anything at least once because they seem kinda fun, then go back to my regular maxi skirts lol

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

On a lesbian subreddit, there was a thread "why do people think lesbian hang out more with men", and one of the comment was a woman saying that her father, to try to relate to her, would talk sexually about women, and she was uncomfortable because she doesn't do that. Not in that way.

[@jemi_]

100% agree with this - attraction is never a justification for violence and stripping a person of their bodily autonomy. Same with "boys will be boys". This is why I mentioned how the system of punishment works against women, because it forgives men for acts of violence that, frankly if it happened to them, would be justification for severe and life-lasting consequences. But because the majority of victims are women, the matter is treated incredibly poorly around the world (like a metaphorical slap on the wrist ) and then contorted and twisted into becoming the victim's fault.

[@sarazephyr8224]

Agreed. Like I'm an artist..I'm a visual creature too. But I'm not justifying abuse towards others

[@tamiausten873]

​@@sarazephyr8224 I'm also very visual. As a creative myself, things I see stay in my mind and impact my imaginations. I've always hated to hear these dumb gendered statements like "men like respect, women want love" 🤦🏾‍♀️.

[@lumiel777]

It's about control.

[@allysandre695]

I love mini skirts, but hate to wear them out in public because of men.

[@maryiasiamenava1737]

Exactly my first thought. I really like how mini skirts look but I have non because I don’t like to wear them near men. Especially because of stairs or escalators

[@Plutos_Child69]

+1

[@mariev347]

me too

[@IndyLux-y5x]

I'm same as you 😢

[@user-mq8el4mf3q]

I feel the same sis😢😢

[@candicefrost4561]

Comfort and coverage without so much concern for modesty. Coverage for breasts wouldn’t be as stressed, but they wouldn’t be put on display so much. Embroidery, elaborately woven fabric, and beading have often been female-dominated crafts, so clothes that display these crafts more so than displaying the body would be a start.

[@juliaboskamp9666]

I could see women making their own clothes and showing it off to theirs friends how big pockets they were abel to make.

[@maryjeffries9251]

I was in a crochet/embroidery group and a woman there made a gorgeous heart embroidered on a black button down shirt. I watched it evolve week after week and it was so beautiful. That's the type of clothes I'd wear!

[@cranberry420]

Oh yeah, I'd love gold embroidery and beading so much!!

[@negy2570]

yes, covering up is not much about modesty. Modesty is also a male fantasy. Clothes would be nice but practical. It's not so practical to go around half naked. In winter I'm too cold, I wear big coat, boots and a thick beanie, often with a face mask and I still get unwanted attention. Why is it so? Because it doesn't matter how dressed/undressed you are as long as it's clear that you are a female.

[@lilypadlane7492]

@@juliaboskamp9666 my pockets will be down to my ankles, and my chest shall feel the wind lmao (im serious about the pockets, the chest thing would probably be an experiment lmao, I see men do it all the time and just go "man that looks fun and comfy")

[@The_space_frog57]

In a world without men, I'd dress like a Greek goddess ✨✨ Dang some of y'all need to relax a little, I'm just saying I would love to dress like that because it's pretty and elegant y'all are look to deep into things it's just a silly little comment

[@ana-nim]

Or mythological nymph wearing JUST see-through flowy robes and gowns with flowers in the hair

[@The_space_frog57]

@ Right!!

[@SpecialBlanket]

@@ana-nim💯💯💯💯

[@alexussk]

Same!

[@alexussk]

I wear the most ugliest clothes because I was sa'd by a guy so I'm trying to protect myself but if it wasn't for him or any of them I'd dress pretty 😊

[@beespectrum3269]

All 3 times that I was SAed by men I was covered neck to toe in ugly uniform clothes/jeans and plain tshirts style Since then I realized it literally doesn't matter what you wear.. So I choose to wear the sexiest boldest outfits and I find myself feeling more confident in a way that intimidates most creeps. Now that I'm older I mostly wear the comfiest clothes but still find myself needing to show a bit of skin. Almost feel like I get a bit of PTSD each time I look in the mirror and catch myself wearing what i wore when I was attacked. Again what you wear doesn't matter so I'm sure there may be some people who were attacked in mini skirts or whatever and may have different views than me But this is all to say that I think in a word without men I don't know if even then I could go back to my old jeans and tshirts because of PTSD but may feel better about dressing comfy i suppose.

[@merryfergie]

Yes, I agree, the clothing worn by women is unimportant regarding abuse. Remember, sa is a crime of violence.

[@RayF6126]

I'm a female leaning intersex person and ended up muscular and with massive breasts. My body gets attention no matter what so I wear tight jeans and a flowy shirt. It shows off my gun at my hip, but hides my knife else where. I work with homeless people.

[@Volkbrecht]

Facts. How you carry yourself is much more important than how you dress. The kind of attention you get for showing skin may be annoying, but it's mostly harmless. Creeps and criminals look for victims, for people that avoid attention and keep to the sidelines. Doesn't mean that with a gender twice the strength around you are not generally in more danger. But there are certain patterns of behaviour that are worth paying attention to.

[@RayF6126]

@@Volkbrecht I train with the gym owner for self defense as well. Matt's a decent guy and I'm glad of it because otherwise he could really hurt me. I was lifting weights at the gym in the mirror and saw him there and his size and movements had me shifting into a fight stance. Matt instead of being angry promptly sat down and waited. I put the weights down and ended up talking for a bit.

[@annonymousdude9416]

Interesting, sorry about that

[@EmpressKadesh]

If I had to chop wood I probably would wear a corset actually. My back is injured so I wear a corset when gardening to keep myself from bending in ways that might result in several days of pain.

[@jemi_]

That's awesome that it could support you like that! If it serves a practical purpose as well, why not~ ❤

[@MortMe0430]

Same. I actually wear a simple under bust under my work shirts some days (always with a tank or cami), and those days of better posture and support usually result in less pain.

[@xxx_putin_has_a_flaccid_pe5374]

Yeah…we think of corsets only as these male gaze torture devices, but that’s a historical misconception mostly stemming from the upper-class non-working women who used them that way. Most working class women throughout history didn’t lace their corsets so tight, they still had to do hard labor in them because they couldn’t afford not to. Corsets the way they used to be made actually get broken in after a while, just like a shoe, and get more comfortable with use.

[@DreamtaleEnjoyer]

That's a great way to look at it actually! That reminds me, I recently was recommended to get two different types of shoes. Shoes for mobility (barefoot shoes), and shoes for stability (stiff soled). I have unstable knees that fall out of alignment sometimes, causing painful rubbing of my kneecap & femur. The stability shoes would *only* be for times I'm very active. Mobility shoes the rest of the time for strength & flexibility. So, by this logic, a corset would be akin to a back brace. Definitely not good to wear on the daily, especially for a healthy back. I imagine in could lead to stiffness and weak muscles, though I wouldn't know, as I've never worn one. If I was to chop wood, I'd just be wearing something I don't mind snagging on splinters lol!

[@fjolliff6308]

That's a great idea! I need to try this!

[@ireneqq2300]

as a sapphic girl, I wonder how many of these problems are necessarily born out of the fact men are attracted to women (do women accidentally dress "for men" even when the man in question is gay?) and whether in lesbian communities girls are any more free. Is this because of anything to do with the nature of our genders? Is it the consequence of any objectification between potential partners? Or would the empathy a girl can feel for another girl be enough to discourage the imposition of aesthetics on a partner? Anyway, I'd wear hoodies and sometimes satin white flowy dresses and i'd also have the confidence of dressing gothy.

[@vicia8874]

I've found that many lesbians still appeal to male gaze (probably out of habit and social norms) but i do feel like when it comes to them they are way more free because we woman understand each other (meaning the problems most of us face basically daily) and would appreciate other woman looks pretty much no matter what (i mean that in a way that lesbians tend to be way more supportive of each other)

[@lovelasnow]

This actually brings out some points I’ve thought about we’d still have most of our clothing because they came about from one reason or another, we’d still have modesty because regardless of gender your privates being out is frowned upon, (boobs don’t count as privates to a lot of cultures). And some of the workplace ones are actually status symbol things, (specifically high heels and jewelry, these were on both genders at some point). I follow alternative clothing and historical fashion so I probably just don’t see the fashion world the same as everyone else.

[@jemi_]

I think the n1 indicator is "dressing for men" due to safety - whether that's financial, physical etc. We don't have to desire a man to feel the pressure to be amicable in their eyes. I've been "off the market" for over a decade and while I 70-80% dress for myself, the rest of that is dressing to either avoid attention from men, or seem socially acceptable in their eyes (depending on the situation). The cards are stacked against us, and so many of us act and dress the way we do in order to hopefully advance ourselves/our careers/our financial situations in a patriarchal system. It's not quite a "if you can't fight them, join them", but rather a "if I'm at your eye level, will you f***ing finally listen to me?". I think women do naturally have a more empathetic approach to other humans in general, partly because we've been raised as such, and partly because women do tend to lean naturally into more empathetic qualities/behavior than men. The whole "boys will be boys" and "girls should know their place" is enforced on us very early on, so I do think it's a mix of issues relating to gender & on societal settings. If women were raised like men are, I highly doubt we'd think twice about pleasing men with everything we do.

[@mitzimadness4548]

​@@vicia8874 I think the idea that a person can appeal to the male gaze, or dress to appeal to the male gaze, is a real misuse of the film theory of the male gaze, which this youtuber did not explain very well. A better, but still oversimplified explanation of this concept is the idea that the camera, and the way the camera "gazes" in a film, assume male-ness and manhood of the viewer, and looks as a man would look. critiques of the original theory are that it does not take into account lgbt attraction or gender nonconformity, among many other things, but it's still a really valuable theory for understanding media. Some people have also written about an internalized male gaze, and performing alone as if a man is watching you, which is the only interpretation of that theory that could affect dress. However, I think there are embodied genders and cultures within sapphic spaces that, while they may look deceptively similar to mainstream feminine fashion in garment construction, become totally different in the context of women and sapphic people looking at and appreciating each other. This often includes celebration of bigger, or harrier, or more "imperfect" bodies, and the availability of feminine expression to people who are frequently denied it. For more on this, I recommend Gender Trouble, Boots of leather slippers of gold, or any other ethnographic research on sapphic dress and communities you may find that interests you. My favorite shorter and easier to read essay on this topic is rogue femininity by elizabeth marston, which is available in all ways butch and femme, another book which is free online. The other two books are available for free online too. Sorry for the rant I just want to be a historian of lesbian fashion when I finish college so this is something I'm really interested in.

[@jemi_]

@@mitzimadness4548 Thank you for the clarification on this matter + reading suggestions! I found out shortly after filming that I had in fact misunderstood and oversimplified the definition of male/female gaze and am currently reading about it more extensively 😊

[@2morepages]

In a world without men I'd dress like Aragorn from the LOTR (when he is Strider).

[@adrianamancuso4917]

Sounds awesome. Do so now. 😊

[@2morepages]

​@@adrianamancuso4917 i can't, for some reason it's not deemed professional 😢

[@bacul165]

..Agreed. Btw i think many men would rather dress like that, too

[@aloverspoetry]

I would do a Thranduil (hobbit). Full on with flower crown

[@jemi_]

I would love it if we normalized it - normalize walking into the office in medieval or fantasy gear! Imagine the awesome conversation starters like "Ohhhh I love your robe"~ I'd love to walk out dressed like Arwen or Galadriel ✨

[@julie-elizabethmack9502]

If there were no men, I would wear cute little dresses, shorts, skirts, bathing suits, and thin tops again, like I used to wear before the bad things happened.

[@zainmudassir2964]

I'm sorry for what happened. Hope you find confidence and wear whatever you genuinely like and feels fulfilling

[@lorenrenee1]

I’m so sorry. 😢

[@Ohkay5613]

Imagine how practical women's clothing would be! Pockets pockets everywhere. And hats! So many hats. Hats for every season, for every reason. Hats with pockets!

[@kkcliffy2952]

My husband's work gave all the employees baseball caps that actually do have a hidden pocket on the inside. It was some sort of advertisement for a client, but such a cool hat! Hats definitely need pockets!

[@Amber-vn2le]

Pockets with pockets!!

[@TalonOfoalain]

Wait… what’s wrong with wearing hats now?

[@Ohkay5613]

@@TalonOfoalain nothing wrong at all, I just think there would be more of them

[@Volkbrecht]

I don't get it. Why don't you dress like that right now? Nobody objects to pockets or hats.

[@wimsylogic65]

The same clothes I wear every day. I don't wear what I choose to wear because of men. I wear what I like and what I'm comfortable in.

[@stefaniacampos4992]

Lucky you

[@jemi_]

I'm so glad to see comments like yours ❤ I'm not quite able to wear what I want to wear because it would consequentially garner attention from men that I don't want (and thus potentially jeopardize my safety more than it already is), but as far as I can wear what I want, I do! 😊

[@moonk990]

I'm dressing somewhat conservative because I'm not comfortable showing skin.. but if it was only women.. I would love to go braless, and show cleavage specially because I'm super flat.. I love my chest though and I like how I look.. I lovr slitted dresses too..

[@Chesh35]

I was searching for this comment. Thank you.

[@ivannaStS]

Reasonable reply of a reasonable woman! There's a large number of women who live their lives the way they want and have healthy relationships with men.

[@constitutionalcarrot3720]

This doesn’t have to be a hypothetical. I went to the mother of all women’s’ colleges - Smith College - and it’s pretty much as you say: sweatpants for business, and pasties for special occasions.

[@okiseenow]

Wow that sounds incredible! I should’ve gone there wtf 🤣❤️

[@cranberry420]

​@CazaDeYorklmao

[@constitutionalcarrot3720]

@ yeah because, as with modesty and chastity, those are all vestiges of the patriarchy. All are equal and our worth comes from within, not from how the male gaze would divide us.

[@aphrodieMonkey]

Lolll How disingenuous. Women literally hate it when men dress shabby or don’t even try for an outing. Wearing sweats while she’s all glammed up. Ffs Attributing things like class/dignity/etc to the pure authority of men has got to be the most sexist, derogatory insult to women I ever heard If you’re gonna try to sound smart, try not to say retarded shit

[@sandgbroschvany1818]

@CazaDeYork There is nothing wrong with wearing sweatpants and other comfortable clothes for business, formal dress is a stupid social construct. I wear sweatpants almost every day and have gotten rid of almost everything else. I am currently in college and present mostly as male.

[@nessnness]

I hate that whenever women are telling the truth as it is about their roles as women and how it is to live in a society with men, they always have to start with: 'we don't hate men, this is not about hating men'. Honestly, I do hate men, they've put me and almost every other woman through a lot of shit and painn why must we always give them grace and understanding when they are so ready to judge us and knock us down. It's normal to hate your opressor. It gives you the strength to do something about it.

[@jemi_]

In all honesty, I do by default carry resentment towards men as a collective. I hate that we have to mask it for safety. My original script was a lot more "colorful" in its wording if you will, but unfortunately because my face is visible to a wide online audience, I also had to consider my safety and how a very targeted/brutally honest video would probably cause me to be on the receiving end of online or physical violence from men. The other reason why I shifted the focus from men to women, is because we already know what the situation is - but I wanted to imagine a more peaceful world for us, even if imaginary. I also have some men in my life who I'm very close to and trust, including my partner - he actually was in full agreement with the message I was putting out. But I did receive suggestions for changes from a female friend of mine who was looking at the script from a more risk-averse and inclusive perspective. Finding a balance in saying what needs to be said and making sure it's actually being listened to is hard.

[@Nagy1070]

That is cause the mainstream feminism (liberal feminism) puts males' feelings over everything. Even leftist males will say "if you act like this you are pushing men into being bad, saying all men are like that". Radfem is the way (when it is trans women inclusive)

[@phi4721]

What's the difference with you and a man that is hurt by some women and hates all women? So much for equality.

[@DreamtaleEnjoyer]

@@jemi_You had to edit your video based on how men would take it, when the video is about women editing their fashion based on how men take it. Go figure... :(

[@Plutos_Child69]

^ T H I S!!!

[@aleksandrac9335]

Fluffy shark onsie when it's cold, cottagecore white dresses when warm

[@loveandpeace1923]

So real

[@seashell3403]

AMEN SISTER

[@lorenrenee1]

That sounds awesome. I wear a kurtle

[@shantimattie9916]

I envision a lot of flowing natural fabrics, clothing that loves the skin; silken robes, soft leathers, warm cashmere for cooler weather. Foundation garments that don’t poke, squeeze or irritate, merely support. Practical, comfortable, with colors that caress the eye and imagination. Denim would still be so necessary, of course.

[@stefs3460]

And pockets

[@lilypadlane7492]

@@stefs3460 omg the pockets would be every wear, we would probably Develop terms like "that girls got pocket fever" for girls who have an astronomical amounts of pockets everywhere

[@LaVonSherman]

You described clothing worn by a woman who would never chop wood, put up dry wall, or ride a motorcycle. It sounds like you want to be a fairy and not a real woman who does various activities.

[@vicia8874]

As a woman who is also part of LGBTQ community throughout the years of hate that no matter what i wear its always something wrong i taught myself to dress for myself. Of course i still need to keep in mind the danger and will avoid some more reveling stuff out of fear but let me tell you guys its such a good feeling to wear clothes and make up that you choose instead of appealing someone. It's a immediate confidence boost (well at least for me)

[@jemi_]

This is what I've learned throughout the years as well - dressing for myself while also doing my best to keep myself safe (though it's never guaranteed). Dressing for ourselves is great for many reasons, including letting ourselves express our identity, values, interests etc through fashion. I hope personal style can keep garnering the curiosity of many, I think it's one of the most beautiful revelations I've had.

[@magnarcreed3801]

Same. But that’s a big talking point is the fact there is a level of awareness of fear and danger. Wouldn’t exist if men vanished. I know I’d wear less way more often.

[@georgia-elinazoi3470]

I'm 51 years old and I live in Greece. I don't know how things are in the US, but here, women do wear whatever WE want. There are of course insecure women who seek approval, but most of us have our own personal style which is NOT dictated by men, other women, fashion created by men, or anyone else. It' s more common in Greece for women to decide what men will wear than the other way around. It's very rare for men to even have an opinion, and they are usually wrong so we ignore them. Listening to you and reading the comments, I understand that women in the US are under incredible pressure to meet impossible, many times conflicting each other, demands. This is not the case everywhere in the world. We don't need to make men disappear so we can wear whatever we want, we already do. I do hope you manage to do that too.

[@Volkbrecht]

That made laugh, thank you :). At your age you clearly have lived life and have some insights that are not available to the likely mostly college-age posters in this comment section. Let me assure you, it's not just Greece. Women dress men. Mothers dress their kids, and the lessons on dress sense they instill in their sons stick around until the wifes of those sons take over. Heck, even in fashion stores most employees are female, so we can't even run from them there :) And even in the US women, as soon as they enter working age, are under the same demands of practicality as we Europeans. That's why they wear pants instead of skirts, and business suits instead of fancy dresses.

[@SaturdayIsMyBae]

With or without men in the world i wear what tf i want

[@Mimi-mq2wj]

wow any videos on this?

[@Kartlos1]

Uhmm- ma'am, I think you live in a fantasy land. I am also Greek and this is objectively false. Compared to the US and western europe, Greece is very conservative and patriarchal. Our nation is so patriarchal that we are the only society that became LESS patriarchal after adopting Christianity. PS: I forgot to mention Mount Athos, it's a sacred area in greece with a big mountain and a monestary. The thing about this place is, women aren't allowed to enter. There was a monk who lived there, he had never seen a single woman in his life. Not even his mother.

[@georgia-elinazoi3470]

@@Kartlos1 So, you think that your mother, sister, girlfriend, wife, wears what a man in their life wants them to wear? I can assure you that no woman I know dresses herself according to a man's desires. We all wear what we want. I don't know where in Greece you live, I live in Athens and I really don't see the conservative patriarchal society that existed when my mother was young. Yes, indeed Mount Athos is prohibited to women, but noone believes that Church is the most progressive institution anywhere in the world.

[@joiedevivre2005]

Excellent video! As I've gotten older, I've embraced the freedom of wearing what I want (there is a certain power in becoming "middle aged" & gaining the "power of invisibility" to the male gaze). I ignore most male "compliments" (unless they come from my gay friends) but a compliment on my fashion from another woman makes my day!

[@jemi_]

Yesss, this is something that makes me excited to age, I think it's beautiful when we let go of the expectations others keep pushing on us. And compliments from women are tens of thousands of times better and more meaningful than the ones from men 💕

[@EvelynSaungikar]

I’ve given up underwire bras. Such freedom!

[@natie3322]

Going gray, wearing glasses, no makeup, comfortable shoes. It’s heaven being invisible!! And so much cheaper.

[@DI-yx4it]

Yessss! Younger women are afraid to age- but it is glorious to be (mostly) free of the male gaze 🎉

[@shirleymarie2288]

​@@jemi_ my daughters seem to have made it their personal mission to spread joy by complimenting other women/girls/fem presenting people; they learned pretty early on that a simple, genuine compliment from a fellow femme made their day but compliments from men felt less genuine and sometimes "Icky" to them.

[@Plutos_moon]

I personally get very tired of the rhetoric of “if men didn’t exist we would all wear nothing” because I think it ironically removes more women’s autonomy than it grants. Maybe it’s just my perception because I tend to dress in a very covering way, but I’d dress like that if the world was full of women too. It feels like a way of applying one big blanket of morality and fashion onto a population with such widely diverse preferences and beliefs. Insisting women who dress differently from the way we do (whether by wearing more or less clothes) are only doing it out of fear/approval of men feels demeaning to us

[@jemi_]

Yes, I think that rhetoric is very limiting, because weather doesn't stop existing and we are highly individualistic creatures with very different needs and wants. I get cold easily, whether it's in this world or a hypothetical women-only world, I wouldn't stop dress warm just because I CAN show more skin, though perhaps in warm/tropical weather I'd feel safer and free to do so if I chose to.

[@magnarcreed3801]

Doesn’t stop the fact most would wear less or at least not have to pause and go “Will this set a man off?” Like I’m sure most would run out topless real quick to go grab something from the mail box.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

​@@magnarcreed3801 it seems to me eomen srent too concerned. Every time Im at rhe store I see shortd so short they dont cover anything more than underwear would and a low cut skimpy top amd flop flops.

[@Dan_Chiron]

​@@ClaireGreen-wd2gm And it seems to me that you live in a privileged environment. I live in a third world country and, while I'm not in the lowest tiers of poverty, I'm certainly not at the top... So, I always have to wonder, always have to be aware at the street, always have to avoid certain clothes in order I don't get harassed/assaulted.

[@ClaireGreen-wd2gm]

@@Dan_Chiron Assault is a matter of opportunity. Men might look to a skimpy dressed woman whos dressed the same as the street corner girls that are actually trying to sell themselves and get the wrong idea sure but at the end of the day a full cover burka wont stop an assault if he feels like he can get away with it.

[@karinjcollstrup7360]

In a world without men, we would not dress for the male gaze, and the amount of bare skin would be of no importens. BUT we would STILL dress to impress, we would still dress to be judged, we would still dress to fit into a group. That is how human social life works. That is not a matter of gender, but a matter of sociaty - people living together....

[@samsmom1491]

I disagree. Women can be harsh critics of other women, it's true. Yet, I wonder how much of our jealousies and judgements of each other is a result of thousands of years living in a male dominated society? This would be an excellent topic to dive into; How much women's attitudes toward other women as well as towards ourselves is shaped by patriarchal ideology.

[@brianscharlau4018]

@@samsmom1491 So what you are saying here is If a woman is mean to a woman it's probably a mans fault? Remind me again when you are responsible for your choices... I mean if you give yourself a bad haircut is that a man's fault because (insert what ever silly answer would work for you here)? At what point do you have the power to make (and then live up to the responsibility of) personal choice?

[@donaldhysa4836]

@@samsmom1491 You will never allow women any agency. Thats why feminism based on female agency will always be a failure

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

There'd be some of that, for sure, but there are also people who are willing to not conform, but unwilling to risk their safety about it, so I think there would be some shift in what percentage of people dressed to conform, and likely in the breadth of styles seen as reasonably normal and socially acceptable.

[@pyenygren2299]

When I don't know what to write, I comment for the algorithm.

[@soyeons-veggies]

I’d definitely wear things like stage outfits and costumes all the time.

[@yoonahkang7384]

omg yes

[@halley8105]

Dance and figure skating costumes are always so good

[@melv.1112]

Honestly the same stuff just without a bra🤷‍♀️

[@edwardhisse2687]

Set them free girl. The only person thay ever bitched at me for nit having a bra was some grandma

[@JohannaJalonen]

Do you wear bra for men? Why on earht? Do they force you somehow? 😳

[@bacul165]

I find it very uncomfortable to go without, but I'd love to wear just basic sports bras

[@GraceHugh-b6p]

slayyyy queeennn so happy that you can live like that

[@JohannaJalonen]

@@bacul165 I have pectus excavatum and all bras feel just terrible. I use only Sloggi Zero Feel tops that are padded, they are SO comfy and give a perfect silhouette. Once you try them on, you don’t go back to bras ever 😅

[@catrinacoons390]

As someone who frequents a lot of male-dominated youtube comment sections (I watch a lot of video game content creators), it's really refreshing whenever I watch a thoughtful video featuring women and our perspectives. The sheer differences in how the comments are constructed and how we react to and treat each other is staggering. It would be cool to see someone do a video essay on this topic alone! I love watching women discourse, it's so much more thought provoking! Love you all ladies! God Bless!

[@ArmelSight]

are the differences you've noted levels of emotional intelligence?

[@YuniX2]

I'd suggest you watch male video essayists as well, such as F.D. Signifier or Jericho. Lots of thoughtful commentary there as well. Gaming content will always have a different level of depth to the comment section from video essays. And I say this as a woman who loves both gaming and the deep dives into morality, ethics, and society. Honestly I started watching male video essayists primarily because as a white woman I wanted to learn more about POC perspectives, so maybe white male video essayists suck more, but honestly I doubt it. Anyone can have a thoughtful deep dive into a topic, white men just have a lot more blind spots to look out for.

[@wilmabonet5086]

Bravo! Love your essay. That’s why older women have bunions and hammer toes and back pain. I finally gave up heels and wear corsets for back support. I wear any thing that is comfortable and beautiful for me. I cut my own hair and no longer dye it and once in a while I will wear a top hat just to mess around with people’s minds but mostly because I like it.

[@jemi_]

I love your comment so much, it’s very inspiring to me! 🩷 This is how I aspire to be as I age, listening to my own wants and needs rather than what society expects from me ❤

[@BS-detector]

I have found middle age to be the most freeing time in my life. No harassment, taken seriously...it's bliss.

[@pegapage9603]

I am 56 and have bunions and my toes are changing their shape. It is not because of my shoes. I never ever wore high heels, always and only comfortable fitting shoes made for walking (I'm German and don't even wear bras!). It's genetics. My dad has the same problem.

[@Raheachan]

Thank god(ess)! Finaly someone who knows what the female gaze is! So many content creators confuse it with sexualizing the men in stories for heterosexual women consuming the story. Thank you! 🙏

[@jemi_]

Thank you, but I did actually misunderstand the female gaze a little bit! I linked a proper essay on it in my description, I'm hoping to read it soon & educate myself even further on the topic. :) But I find it to be a very interesting topic that, as you said, is easily misunderstood!

[@FelicityUwU]

Bro, this is corset slander lol. I've seen ladies do all sorts of things in corsets. You have a lot of good points. I like you as a person. But please don't diss on corsets. They can be very beneficial to those with larger chests as it supports without putting all that weight on your shoulders. As well, it can help by giving back support for the extra weight. I know the corset is the default "woman torture for the sake of men" thing in the popular culture, but some people may just really need the support, and you shouldn't put them down for it.

[@FelicityUwU]

Corsets are also how the weight of heavy skirts were supported without digging in at the waistline. And often, men hated the large skirts. Women being guaranteed their personal space because of all the fabric was considered so awful lol

[@jemi_]

Oh, I did not mean to slander corsets! They were the first thing that popped up when I was researching early historic "body trends" (as in, something that created an unrealistic shape and hence and unrealistic expectation on what women's bodies should look like), which is why I used them as an example of an unrealistic body trend (and the little joke on chopping wood). I own some corset tops of my own that I love, and fashion is at the end of the day an "each to their own" matter. But thank you for highlighting that matter alongside a couple other commenters!

[@yoonahkang7384]

True!!!

[@vanira-01]

Not every criticism of corsets is "corset slander". I agree that people should do their research before speaking about corsets and not just speak about them based on negative stereotypes, and also that it's not okay to spread misinformation about them. But people can still have their own opinion about corsets and sometimes that opinion is negative, even if the person is well-informed on the matter. Not all of us view things the same way. I know a great deal about corsets and fashion history in general, and I am personally not at all a fan of them. Just because some women are able to and are comfortable to do "all sorts of things" in corsets, doesn't mean that all of us are. Corsets are-objectively speaking-restrictive. And we should be able talk about that without being accused of dismissing the positive opinions and experiences of women who love them.

[@gloomyscribbles]

Yeah I feel like people forget that corsets were that time period's equivalent of bras, and before that, stays.

[@EmpressKadesh]

One thing I can say is that it isn't the same everywhere. I lived in Germany and Japan and never felt unsafe in those countries. In Germany I would wear very revealing outfits because the old people would compliment it and encourage it (they like to see the youth living it up and feeling free after they lost all their friends so young to WWII) I'd be out at all hours and never felt like a man would attack me. In Japan I wouldn't wear as edgy of outfits as Germany but still my clothing would be more revealing because everyone was dressing for the hot and humid weather, I would walk all over alone at night and never felt like a man might attack me. Now I live in America again and I NEVER feel safe. American men are making a choice to be creeps.

[@jemi_]

100% agree with this, wish I would've thought to expand on it more, but I'm actually thinking of making a dedicated video on the correlation of personal style/fashion with culture/environment. I've had a similar experience to yours - I grew up in Finland where, even though I didn't purposefully really spend much time out alone, I felt incredibly safer than in the US where I live now. When I vacationed in Japan last year, it was the first time in several years that I could walk outside alone at 5AM and feel completely safe. Safety has such a huge impact on everything from our mental health to how we dress, and I really wish I could get that sense of safety back, but I doubt I will ever feel it here in the US. The people who grow up in safe environments are truly privileged in a way they don't even know - to constantly feel unsafe is incredibly draining to the core, and I miss the days when I felt at least a little safer.

[@KxNOxUTA]

Well yes, but no. Sexism is very real here in Germany. In fact it's on the rise again as it always is when there's a "two steps back" motion worldwide. Especially in the South. 🤦🏻‍♀️ So how it is in Germany STRONGLY depends on where in Germany you are. Or what company ypu work for. The BS I experiences and heard from friends in not American level or worse. But just because it's not "down the gutter"-level doesn't mean it isn't still a VERY far cry from genuinely being safe and equity. I have ALSO been in Japan for a year, by the way, and let me tell you that I was often wearing pretty but modest clothes and I was hit on my business men who (at least politely, regardless of being drunk) kept asking me for sex, because they somehow think all tourists are either Korean or American and the supposedly American ones are promiscuous. Like.... talk about sexism and other raging biases. 😮‍💨 Now I was genuinely more safe, because as I said, even drunk Japanese men feel safer and show more ability to be respectful than any American MAGA sexist with their two brain cells trying their best. 🫣 (I know sane and safe American people...... but actually they're either immigrated, second generation immigrated or Americans who left America and saw some perspective, soooo..... 😅). Ao yeah we can agree that some places are particularly prone to super ugly forms of sexism, while others are very introverted and sneaky about it? 😂

[@Arianaluna53]

I agree with everything you stated except for “American men are making the choice to be creeps”. American society is extremely sexualized through the culture: movies, music, etc., sometimes I wonder if there’s a hidden agenda to do so. So both men and women, in this country, behave accordingly.

[@Volkbrecht]

@@Arianaluna53 The agenda isn't hidden, it's the old "sex sells", paired with a somewhat more conservative, prude tendencies. Everything that you try to hold under a lid eventually boils out in unhelpful ways.

[@jettestehr676]

Girl what germany do you live in hahssh whaaaat??? Certainly not the one i live in [no hate!! Im genuinely asking xd

[@tobiasriek8099]

As a male I agree with you. Funnely anoth when you look at how this system effects man you can see how often it backfires on man. Aspecialy to those who try to inforce it the most.

[@NeistovayaChupacabra]

We don't care how it's backfire to your cursed kin. Its funny how you pretent to be a "good boy", don’t even shut up about male's problem when the whole topic is about women.

[@esleynopemos3470]

I do believe people would still judge each other based on their appearance even in a world without men, so complete freedom of fashion choices would still not be available. We humans, women included, are quite prone to making "us versus them" distinctions, and without gender being available to mark one such boundary, we would tailor our appearance to emphasize other differences more. I could imagine a world in which, in the absence of men, it was deemed very important to dress according to your social class and/or dress to be appealing to or for the comfort of more powerful social classes.

[@amyleigh7624]

1000% steampunk all day long

[@strawberryboi3517]

I'll do it now do it with mee!!! 🙇‍♀️🫶

[@bluedarkness7125]

😂 too me!

[@katsybo]

I love that

[@chickadeestevenson5440]

what's stoping you now? Creeps are gonna be creeps no matter what you wear. In for a penny...

[@katsybo]

@ ✌️🖖✌️🖖💯

[@newyorknewyork196]

I would wear cloaks and wizard hats

[@cosmicalchemist8219]

There are a few villages in Africa that do not allow men.

[@ivannaStS]

Are they thriving? Why don't the rest of oppressed women go live there?

[@user-mq8el4mf3q]

​@@ivannaStS Africa as whole is not thriving , yes they are thriving just like other two species that live after menopause like killer whale and elephant that has patriarchal system.

[@desertmoonlee6631]

You sounds like a pick must be sad being a misogynistic pick me girl and hate yourself​@ivannaStS

[@Arch1t3ct910]

@@ivannaStS Most of them are essentially stuck in the stone age

[@InsaneLaughter01]

Are they taking applications?

[@spaghettiking7312]

Don't let anyone stop you from dressing for yourself or living for yourself.

[@chrystianaw8256]

Fr

[@randompoetrychick]

I wish it was that easy for everyone.

[@Chhota_polu21]

It' s not easy in their world 😅

[@erasabledata]

As an autistic lesbian, I already don't dress for the male gaze. In fact, I tend to run on spite and push what people hate if theres nothing morally wrong with it 😅 My decora outfits definitely act as man repellent and only the people who I want to be around approach me.

[@SpecialBlanket]

I don't either, I am also an autistic lesbian, but wouldn't you like to run around wearing just a T-shirt and underwear like you're at home? Or have you ever been outside in such a hot day that you wanted to wear your underwear outside because you overdress by mistake and you wanna strip? Swimming naked? Etc

[@donaldhysa4836]

I never seen any lesbian that has a different beauty standard than men when it comes to women

[@Raheachan]

We would wear whatever every one of us wants to and everything would still be confi at the same time. And real and honest compliments everywhere and no shame anywhere. How lovely ❤

[@Ygtom]

I love how you made your points on different perspectives it really shows how much thought you put into your videos and clearly puts together what you're thinking

[@jemi_]

Thank you so much! 💕 This was a difficult video to make since it handles a lot of tough topics, but I think it's important I took the question I posed through the journey of history etc. And of course, my friends who helped proofread and critique the original drafts of this video were so helpful in providing more nuanced ideas and perspectives 🥰

[@leannemedhurst9662]

To this day my dad (who has raised 5 daughters as a single dad and weirdly has really good fashion sense) still doesn't understand why i have the innate need to say when i love someone's outfit lol.

[@linmonPIE]

I think I would be more experimental with my looks. I would be free from worrying that men might think it’s too much or too little and trying to fool them with makeup, wigs, shape wear, etc.

[@HmmmReally]

I would def wear less with no worries of a funny business from XYs. There’s comfort in knowing you can be vulnerable and safe.

[@modusagendi]

The worst comments I've ever heard about my appearance or choice of clothing were actually coming from women, of different ages and both strangers or people I somehow know. So I'm not sure that the presence of men is actually a point in my case.

[@witchofthebakony]

Old women are the worst😃they also love to comment about weight and body types

[@magnarcreed3801]

That rough. But it’s not just about comments. It’s about safety. I don’t think the thought of “I hope a woman won’t SA me over this shirt.” Is a thought most think ever.

[@Kajukissmiss-g6w]

Those women are also "taught" this by a male dominant, for men by men, society, if we had society where women were on full power and only present, I am not saying crimes would he zero but much less! All old human women run societies were more empathic and nice if you research about it, even in animals female dominant groups have more care emphasis "most" of the time

[@earthaforester3141]

A lot of the criticism that comes from other women is just internalized misogyny, though. If we didn't live under the oppression of patriarchal values, I don't think women would be policing other women to such an extent.

[@kanishkamishra1863]

women with internalised misogyny you mean. I can understand your pov. When I was in a girl's only college I used to see other girls commenting on their classmates' clothing, about how short their skirt or top is, why are they showing so much skin, why are they wearing high heels, etc. These women are taught misogynistic values from the beginning.

[@EmL-kg5gn]

I love this video!!!! I definitely think that it would take time to heal from the trauma of patriarchy but I think it’s possible 💕 This is part of why spaces that are women only, female only, or women and gender non-conforming people only are all so important! Having an escape from the male gaze is such a relief

[@jemi_]

I definitely agree! It's a real breather to our systems when you're in women-only communities where the level of respect for your bodily autonomy and intellect is much higher than in most male dominated societal settings and spaces. I've only experienced such relief very few times in my life, but when I have, those moments have stuck with me for life and I often think back to them. Like, imagine feeling safe and respected by others 99% of the time - this world would be much more beautiful if we could all feel that safety and respect.

[@EmL-kg5gn]

@ Yes!!!

[@Zembie1]

Oh yea, because everything is the patriarchy, and one old man you met at your job is every single guy in existence. Men suck and are creeps and want to kill everyone 100%. You definitely can’t control anything you do and you deciding something is always some evil man pulling the strings. GIRL POWER!1!11

[@antonialange949]

I would wear some greek dress type stuff

[@IrisDel-qo8xi]

Same

[@Kartlos1]

You mean "ancient greek"? because here in Greece we just dress the same as y'all (westerners)

[@miaaaseth]

1: Pac man sized pockets. 2: ACTUALLY comfortable underwear. 3: Hoodie dresses with only bra and shorts under.

[@magicmoonart]

Ii wonder if women would actually still want to have big boobs if it wasn't for men? I hear a lot of women saying they want a boob job but not for boys but for the self. How? Big boobs don't look good and they are heavy and annoying and give back ache.

[@Eanki_]

There is no shortage of guys who are into smaller breasts. There's a plurality of us in fact. So there is probably a truth in gals saying they do it for themselves. I would believe them.

[@magicmoonart]

@Eanki_ thank you. I really do like small boobs. I wish I had small boobs. Mine are too big and dangly and I hate it. I'd get a reduction if I wasn't terrified of surgery or had anyone to aid me when I'm in recovery

[@nanomia]

I don't know I have small boobs and I like how big or at least medium boobs women look especially at the beach or summer clothes they look so pretty and badass that's why I want a boob job I know a lot of men are into small boobs but I don't care I want the more full ones I think it's the case of wanting what you don't have 😅

[@1987tijgertje]

⁠@@magicmoonart same here sister. I’m glad that my boobs reduced enough that I don’t have back ache anymore. But they are still (too) big for my figure. I would have them reduced if insurance would cover it😢 (they “aren’t big enough” for that)

[@electronics-girl]

@@magicmoonart Mine are quite small and I wish they were larger. I haven't decided yet whether the idea of surgery is worth it, though. For now I just put those silicone "chicken cutlets" in my bra. It's not for men, though. It just makes me feel more feminine, and I like the way I fill out my dresses better.

[@rumored]

Japanese Elegant Gothic Lolita (EGL) is what I would wear when not gardening or cleaning. And there would be pockets in all my dresses and skirts

[@kathybehrens3484]

Big pockets. Not pretend tiny ones!

[@kannazuki5702]

"Ôoku: The Inner Chambers" is a really interesting take on a world where the basis of social management and power is shifted from men to women as a result of the rapid decline in the male population, I highly recommend!

[@earth_invader]

I’m AFAB, but I identify as a man. Despite this, I find this video very interesting. I’ve always had an eye for design and appreciated those who live freely unchained by distasteful ideas that are often brought upon by men. I can say, however, that in a world without harmful men, I wouldn’t wear what I do now.

[@catherineleslie-faye4302]

I cover my skin to avoid sunburn and skin cancer... I'm not competing with anyone.

[@bluedarkness7125]

Understandable

[@Catpuff818]

Also! The fact that women's clothing is sometimes more expensive but made out of cheaper material has me buying men's clothes cuz no way in hell am I wasting my paycheck on shitty polyester when men are getting 100% cotton with BIG pockets and for 10 dollars cheaper!!! D:

[@BS-detector]

THIS!!!

[@slayonetta]

when yes a lot of Violent pressure that men bring to this world would be taken of, I notice I also mostly get judged by other woman for what I wear. I remember vividly when I wore a very playfull pleated skirt to a restaurant Christmas Meeting with other colleagues to celebrate. The Woman ignored me completly, I was left out sitting at the table eating by myself after like 30min excusing myself and leaving. They under each other gave themself a lot of compliments on their scarfes or hair and I was ignored even though I thought I made friends there and was looking forward for that meeting. I was questioning myself why I felt so bullied even tho no words were really spoken and to this day that sat with me. Because of expierences like that, I rarely wear skirts or dresses anymore.

[@bearinyourwalls]

I'm sorry that those women were so judgemental. Those women are definitely responsible for how judgemental they are. That being said, I feel like at least some of that stems from patriarchy and misogyny so it's possible that in this scenario, there would at least be less of that. (Hopefully I don't sound like I'm trying to brush off your point, I just wanted to mention that + it's possibly a source of a little hope ig?)

[@vicia8874]

@@bearinyourwalls I feel the same that many woman tend to judge other woman based on same things a man would judge us. It's hard to say either it's a weird way of showing us some protection (meaning they faced it once so now they want to help you by judging you even though it might hurt you but it might hurt less if they do it then some man) or that they are so corrupted and destroyed by man that they kind of joined their side and are very close in behavior to them. I really hopes it makes sense

[@jemi_]

I expanded on this a bit in my pinned comment that I wrote after seeing yours, but I wanted to pitch in here as well! Firstly: I'm so sorry that happened to you - those women had no right or place to be so cruel to you. Like other commenters, I suspect that this behavior (not to be excused of course) does stem from internalized misogyny, jealousy and competition. Even if not to compete for a man's affection/desire, but also to compete in a career. Me and other female colleagues in my field have experienced this toxic behavior from women who felt like they needed to trample us and make us look/feel bad in order to be respected and admired by their male colleagues and bosses. If they see you as a threat, they'll make sure to make you feel small and stupid. This is part of the "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality that I think a lot of career driven women carry in our patriarchal society. Not to say they can't just be blatantly mean - I've had some women say absolutely terrible things to me - but I do notice their need to push others down comes from competition in a patriarchal system, or the need to oppress other women like they have been oppressed. I grew up in a religious environment and had to unlearn a lot of toxic internalized misogyny that enables men's toxic and oppressing behavior. Nowadays I dress much more for myself than others, though I'm still weary of men (aka I don't wear sheer clothes etc like I'd want to, for safety). I've had a lot of women compliment me on my outfits, and I can snuff out ingenuity pretty easily so I know most of it has been genuine and uplifting. But I've also had women look down on me and try to make me feel like there's something wrong with how I dress, and a lot of that has been either in a work or religious setting, or by older women. It's not too late to look back at those experiences and let them go after you process them completely. It's incredibly difficult, I know because I had to go through it, but it is incredibly rewarding in the end to dress for yourself. Wishing you luck ❤ and again, f*ck those women for what they did.

[@copperredd]

Male centered women subconsciously compete with fellow women like men do with each other. So if u looked cute and flirty, u may have triggered some jealousy in her that she herself probably wasnt even aware of. Both men and women r a product of patriarchy. So this is how that conditioning shows up in women

[@SpecialBlanket]

Yeah, but they were probably judging you because they thought you were dressing for men to conspicuously. So if there weren't men, they wouldn't think that.

[@notaword1136]

The fact that it took me until 26 minutes in to the video to realize she was holding her phone because she was using it as a mic

[@someotherwag]

Thank you, I was wondering.

[@midwesthorrorfan5213]

More flowy stuff. No high heels. Bras would be practical as support. Not push up or squishing the boobs. Clothing would be more seasonally based. Lots of dresses and skirts in the summer. Heavy jeans and sweats in the winter.

[@attitudeproblem6462]

T-shirt, panties and flip-flops would be my everyday wear.

[@rinishan]

Saaame, I love not wearing pants at home. Robes are also handy. Waistbands are often either too loose (pants fall down) or too tight after eating and bloating. Wearing stuff with waistbands is so uncomfy.

[@jrojala]

Legit

[@chelonianmobile]

I don't have a single woman in my family who'd dress any differently than they already do.

[@Ri57490]

That can't be true.

[@Olivia-jpa]

I would definitely wear less in Summer, but Winter would be about the same

[@pinkacademic]

This is the first video I've seen of yours, and I'm already thinking about subscribing because it's so well done and I loved it. The kind, empathetic, positive framing of this was really refreshing.

[@jemi_]

Thank you so much for the support and kind words! ❤ let me know if you have any requests in mind for similar video topics, I’m currently planning my content calendar for winter 🥰

[@Glicer14]

If there were no men, my mother would still be able to sour any joy I have from wearing things I love.

[@sasamichan]

in a world with out men women would wake up to the fact that people disagreeing with your horrible choices isn't about sexism.

[@witchofthebakony]

I would dress drastically different each day according to mood😊👗

[@thewaterfairylexy5127]

Same

[@elisep9481]

27:07 in a world without men, "a dog is a man's best friend" would probably become. "a cat is a woman's best friend" according to the end of this video 😂

[@AnnaSnow-n8d]

I want novels focused on matriarchies, like these: - Akan people from Ghana - Aka pygmy tribe from Central Africa - Aymara people from South America - Berbers from North Africa - Bijagos from Guinea Bissau - Bribri people from Costa Rica - Cree people from North America - Hadzabe people from Tanzania - Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) from north America - Huilloc from Peru - Juchitecas from Mexico - Khasi from northeast India - Māori from New Zealand (Aotearoa) - Minangkabau from Indonesia - Mosuo from China - Navajo people from North America - Quero from Peru - Rungus people from Borneo - Umoja women in Kenya - Yurok tribe from northwest coast of USA - Hadza people from Tanzania - San people from Southern Africa - !Kung people from the Kalahari Desert

[@chrystianaw8256]

This is not even accurate

[@AnnaSnow-n8d]

@chrystianaw8256 Why?

[@AnnaSnow-n8d]

Anyhow, I was using Peggy Reeves Sanday's definition, not J. J. Bachofen. And you can get more info into the debate around the definition if you check Peggy Reeves Sanday's books, like Beyond the Second Sex

[@AnnaSnow-n8d]

But if you think I am wrong, feel free to correct me

[@Odumase]

Im Ghanaian Akan (Asante) sadly because of colonialism a lot of history has been lost and burned down today Ghana is a Patriarchal State 🥲

[@thomasherbig]

I’m a guy and I think you’re right on with many of your points. Ignore the guys who can’t handle it. They are weak.

[@Jocelyn_Jade]

I would go crazy wearing 60s fashion, huge beehive hairdos, trapeze dresses, gogo boots, mini skirts. I would go all out and have so much fun.

[@bgalhouse]

Extremely interesting! I was looking for a WordPress tutorial for work and this video got served up. As a hiker and trail runner, I think it sucks that so many people can't 'just walk in the woods' like I can. Same with the motorcycle community (women are sexualized in many instances, but when the visor's down, we're all just vulnerable riders), but I think these fringe-y environments are still way better than mainstream America. Will definitely be discussing when/where I can wedge it into conversation.

[@Sara-sn5gd]

Skirts so short they could qualify as a belt. I honestly like them if they are pleated.

[@user-ht2jh4rn8h]

I’m an aro/ace male, so I’ve never understood how and why men look at women the way they do (that’s not all men, btw. Not trying to generalise.) and honestly the things I’ve heard other men say disgust me. It’s really horrible how women are and have been treated as just sex objects simply because horny men can’t control themselves. I hate the idea that imagining a world without men is the only way women can be comfortable expressing themselves with fashion and I hope that one day, women can express themselves however they wish without the male sex going extinct.

[@sandgbroschvany1818]

I am somewhat similar, but also in a weird boat where, as I am lithosexual, I understand being sexually attracted to a woman, but don't understand wanting to do anything to her. This may partly be because of social anxiety, but I also don't understand ever staring at someone or otherwise doing something that would make another uncomfortable, for I dread accidentally coming off as a jerk or otherwise making someone uncomfortable.

[@Carmen-kindness]

Hello and thank you for existing and commenting here. I am glad I am not the only one feeling this disgust. I am here as a female who survived human trafficking since birth for three and a half decades. It has been so hard to be treated as an object for most of my life no matter what I wore or said. I have my freedom now, but I hope I can meet friends like you, other asexuals who get me, as I too am asexual. Please be my pal? I try to express myself however I want and I do it by living alone and doing classes online and living in a liberal part of Ohio where I stay and don't go out of the house or neighborhood too much. Basically by being a hermit, I can avoid the male gaze and resulting harassment, violence and death which I have had to survive. If I go deeper into the city instead of in the suburb area where I live, I am more likely to get harassed, touched, or threatened by men, no matter what I am wearing. Carrying a pepper spray, taser, and knife on me at all times helps me because I can brandish one of them and sometimes that's enough to get them to back off. I'm sure the males won't go extinct. We women need to arm ourselves. We have a human overpopulation problem right now. Other species are going extinct, but not the humans.

[@Carmen-kindness]

@@sandgbroschvany1818 Thank you for trying to consider women's feelings so we don't feel uncomfortable. It is good to be kind, and I am glad that you are kind. I am asexual too, but a female. I am looking for ace friends so please say "hi."

[@donaldhysa4836]

@@sandgbroschvany1818 You're what?!

[@NotACupcake]

As a woman who grew up heavily indoctrinated into the catholicism...I was always taught that I must be modest in what I wear and hide as much of my body as possible. It's really difficult for me to begin to imagine what I would wear in a world without men. Nearly all of my concepts and ideas of fashion stem from dressing modestly to a point where I really do believe it is ingrained into my psyche on a subconscious level. Men didn't help either, there were plenty of times where I wore a shirt that showed what i'd consider a modest amount of cleavage like a tank top for example and i'd get comments from my father about how I'm showing too much. This would make me feel really uncomfortable and I'd pull my shirt up instinctively. I lived in Florida a majority of my life, born and raised there. I didn't want to wear too much because of the heat but I also had to wear a lot because the guys at school would often talk about how 's3xy' the other girls are, i'd see the looks they'd give my classmates who went about unknowingly. I was an attractive girl growing up, I won't lie but I feel like most of the time it went unnoticed BECAUSE of how I dressed so modestly. Then again this was back during the early 2000's so im sure times have changed. Anyway, if I could go back in time, and not have to worry about men staring at me and drooling over my body instead of the person I am inside.. I think I'd choose to wear a short skirt and a tank top. Maybe even show a bit of my belly by wearing a crop top. I definitely wouldn't be wearing a bra I know that much. Which is another thing, why are nipples poking through shirts such a lewd thing when guys have them too? Like what the actual biscuit???

[@donaldhysa4836]

Your father was right. Dress modestly. It dignifies you

[@ElaiisTaiE]

Considering the only people who’ve ever criticized or complimented the way I dress were women, i doubt anything would change.😂

[@sloowsirspacja]

I've been wondering about this lately too, but I thought that they simply have a "correct/ideal" look for a woman in their head and they stick to it?? idk

[@sloowsirspacja]

@@NevisYsbryd It's actually an interesting concept, would you like to expand on it? (I write worldbuilding so all these comments are a goldmine of ideas for me)

[@sloowsirspacja]

@@NevisYsbryd Thank you for your answer!

[@expedition346]

it’s not about opinions of people, but the proverbial sticks and stones

[@Elizabeth78946]

A world without men is a world in which women will live with full rights and freedom without violations.

[@ringinn7880]

A world where SOME women will have full rights. Humans would still have classism and other arbitrary separators because we're butt holes no matter the gender.

[@Zeltesh]

Very naïve answer. Seems that you need to learn about human nature, the differences in males and females and each of their unique predispositions of personality issues, each of their specific roles in nature etc. Jordan Peterson would be a wonderful start. His video on Men & Women: Personality Differences is a good example. Also his video on Every Man Should Know This About Women's Emotions and Jordan Peterson Explains the Gender Paradox - Joe Rogan What would be esp pivotal for you is The Rise of Cultural Marxism, Jordan Peterson: Why Communism Doesn't Work, The Absurdity of Socialism Carl Jung and Fyodor Dostoevsky would be good to look at as well. The Island with Bear Grylls, Men vs women edition. From Hoe_math's youtube channel Self Maximize (Introduction), Upside Down (A little different than usual), Accountability (Red Flags #4 + #5), Circles, Hivemind, TRUTHFULLY (How to Stop Lying with Squares), and (AQAL Quadrant analysis) are also good videos to watch.

[@JustWatchingLilPeople]

​@@Zeltesh Men commit almost 100% of all crimes, love. If they vanished, controlling the evil women would be a piece of cake. As of now the aggressors and enablers outnumber good meaning people.

[@JustWatchingLilPeople]

​@@ZelteshIt's not how life works. Think of the study where evil male monkeys ate trash and died, and the female ones created a calm environment the other aggressive male species couldn't invade. ;)

[@phi4721]

Without men, you wouldn't have that phone you're typing this on 😂

[@RegalCandy]

Just jewelry. I’d only wear jewelry

[@Cool-Vest]

That sounds painful. And potentially extremely cold. Yet, on some level, I understand completely.

[@dudanunesbleff]

I have been single since 2008, after a hard marriage snd divorce. I don't dress for men since 2011. Avoiding other women's criticism or snear looks is more difficult.

[@SpecialBlanket]

Marilyn Monroe in that scene where her skirt gets blown up got beat up really bad by your husband immediately after filming that, because he was jealous.

[@jemi_]

WHAT. I had no idea - I knew her relationships were pretty terrible, but I had no idea 😞

[@Callisto171]

I cannot look at that scene and see it as "iconic", it is just sad to me

[@Freiya2011]

What I would wear in a men-less society? What I'm wearing now! 😂 Underwear that holds me together (I'm 62), Jeans, a comfi pullover, a warm scarf, socks, warm flat boots, no make-up, earstuds, 2 rings, a watch, if I choose to wear jewellery and only then! My teddy coat and if I want to be a bit more colourful for myself some lipstick, mascara and an eyebrow-enhancer - to give me a face!😂 That has always been my style. Comfy and healthy! Btw your cat is stunning!💙💙💙 As are you! Greetings!

[@InsaneLaughter01]

In a world without men, The most clothes I’d wear would be a fur cloak in the winter and a full body tan in the summer. I’d dress like a nymph of old tales. Maybe some tasteful flower placement and my hair long. I’d peacefully sleep in public and spend days exploring the world in peace.

[@hetsmiecht1029]

As a man, thank you for making this video and helping me better understand what it's like for women to live in the current world. Keep on making amazing content!

[@egyptomaniac6453]

I kind of live in this world: I am married to another woman and we live in a household with a third. There are not a lot of men in my life, and none of them are of sexual interest to me. Even my bosses at work are all female, so I don't need to impress any males in the office. My clothing habits: comfortable , practical, and absolutely no regard for looks. I wear wide-legged trousers and cargo pants. T-shirts, hoodies and comfy sweaters. Sometimes long dresses and skirts, and often in mis-matched colors. Bra only in summer (to be less sweaty ) and when I go running. And I only throw things away when they're more holes than fabric. I only dress up in more form-fitting things when I need to conform to society in a more formal setting. I like living in this world 😊 it's very relaxed.

[@dianatortolini7842]

I think what you would see is a lot more diversity in dress, representing different things. Women would make more of their own clothing, experiment with more abandon, and it would be easier to buy different sizes in the same store.

[@HybridMiranda]

I've never watched your channel before, but I'm very glad I found this video. There is a lot in it that I'd never thought of before, and you made me start thinking about how I dress and why. Personally, in a world without men, I'd dress a lot more androgynously, wear more leather, some armor here and there, and far more expressive/abstract/tribal makeup. I really want cloaks to be a thing again. I'd also NEVER SHAVE, because frankly, my pit hair helps with sweat and BO, and my leg hair helps make it easier to slip on leggings. I figure I wouldn't care about my extra 30lbs of weight, either. One of the most revealing things to me was going to a women-only motorcycle camping event called the No Coast Campout (for a group of women-only motorcyclists called The Litas), and it was the first time I ever felt comfortable dancing around a bonfire in a loose crop-tank with no bra, and wearing (ironically) a pair of men's boxers because they're extremely comfortable. I danced and just... didn't care. It was a ton of fun, I didn't feel like I had to act or suck in my tummy or look pretty for anyone. No one was looking at me like a piece of meat. There was a 50 year old lady wearing nothing but a VERY sheer robe and a thong, you could see everything. And... it was fine, it was great, it was fantastic. A whole 100-strong crowd of lady motorcyclists just stripping down to avoid the heat, enjoying each others' company. It gave me a glimpse of a world without the male gaze, and wow... do I miss it.

[@Yourrrr]

If I felt completely safe I’d dress like Isabella Rossellini I’m from death becomes her 😂 in the summer nothing but a scarf wrapped around my waist and layered jeweled necklaces covering my boobs. In the winter, the same outfit but with uggs This was a good video and a very nuanced topic to cover. I think it would be important to point out how race and body type also affects image as well. I’ve seen many smaller chested women wear something that I know people would harass me for or not take me as seriously if I wore it.

[@jemi_]

This is a good point to bring up! I actually have brought it up in my previous video about personal style, but I'm planning a dedicated video specifically on the matter of "smaller chested women get away with XYZ but when I wear it I'm objectified". As a person who understands this dilemma all too well, I want to explore it more in depth.

[@Abrakadara-532]

What i can be sure: there would be still a lot of class issues related to showing off wealth and/or authority.

[@expedition346]

sure,

[@donnamdamico9926]

As a 65 year old, financially successful single woman, I don't feel like men have an influence on what I wear anymore. You will usually find me in a flannel shirt and comfortable jeans.

[@teirneywarren4145]

I love how you said something about Arcane. I love Arcane.

[@danakchampion]

Pajamas. All. Day.

[@Katya_Lastochka]

Absolutely the same thing. Modest, flattering, comfortable clothes.

[@xavierob]

the combination of these three adjectives for your clothes sounds lovely! I bet you must have a great style!

[@imaginationartist3075]

I dress the way I want. Always find your people. If your not yourself and you try to conform in the end you will still be alone. You can be surrounded by people and be lonlier than if you were alone.

[@SaturdayIsMyBae]

Exactly, i wear whatever i want

[@beautyallaroundme724]

The #1 thing I would do in a world without men is ditch bras entirely. #2 would be dressing mostly for comfort (baggy, loose stuff mostly) #3 would be also dressing for artistic self expression when I felt like it--probably in wild costume-y type stuff. I have actually lived like this most of my life anyway--for better or for worse. 😄 But I'd feel freer doing it in a world that wasn't expecting me to look attractive to men.

[@aliceinwonderland8314]

I don't think ditching bras entirely would happen. For modesty purposes, yeah, but for actual functional purposes like support or shaping it'd still have utility, especially in costume-y type outfits. Also a lot of women, autistic especially, would wear tighter clothes because that's more comfy to them, I myself exclusively wear skinny jeans purely for reasons of comfort.

[@beautyallaroundme724]

@@aliceinwonderland8314 I'm just talking about what I would do. I care more about comfort, and bras are painful for me to wear.

[@1987tijgertje]

@@aliceinwonderland8314indeed with my size I would never ditch something like a bra. The bouncing hurts 😢

[@Bunni504]

I don’t get #2. Can’t you always dress comfy? What’s stopping you. Some comments said the same thing. I dress comfy. Men never stop me.

[@beautyallaroundme724]

@@Bunni504 I did say, "I have actually lived like this most of my life anyway." But, apparently, comfy looks frumpy a lot of the time.

[@alexandradasilva3]

I’m a lesbian, I like women. But I’m not creepy about it, sure I can see a woman and say “Omg, she’s so pretty” doesn’t mean I’ll stare at her weird or sexualise her. Because you’re attracted to someone doesn’t mean you get to be creepy. You can admire someone without making them uncomfortable.

[@SaturdayIsMyBae]

I find women simply beautiful and fascinating. And hate the thought of any womans boundaries not being respected, no woman should ever have to be objectified, sexualized, misogynized, or feel scared to simply live to the fullest, shame on those who ruin this for many women out there

[@Cool-Vest]

You tell em, boss!

[@rukia01wubbaduck]

Not to be a stickler, but the description of the female gaze is a very common misconception. The male gaze was mostly right, but the crux is that there are three male gazes. The gaze of the males in the film, the gaze of the camera/creators of the film, and the gaze of the audience. It speaks of an omnipresent 'big man' that informs what is desirable female behaviour. A 'female gaze' like that simply does not exist. There is no 'big woman' that we alter our behaviour for and we have no idea what a woman built world would look like. Therefore what is typically called 'female gaze' in media is a response to the male gaze. Visceral depictions of what being a woman in the male gaze like. Being watched, objectified, in danger. The Substance is a female gaze movie. I do this correction because I think the misconception of the female gaze really belittles the impact of the male gaze. They are not opposite sides of the same coin. There is no equality here. The female gaze simply has no space to exist in any form other than response. Women's image of themselves are permanently altered by the male gaze.

[@adrianamancuso4917]

Lots of female watchers. Wish there were more male watchers of this video with an open-mind. When the male gaze, or kind-hearted attention is saught for what is important, it is always sorely lacking.

[@expedition346]

ah,,, “male gaze” doesn’t seem to be used correctly here..

[@Robsta42]

As a male watcher, I was hoping for/expecting a more scientific approach to this. In a world without men, how would society be structured, technology develop and what would be considered valuable in clothing? A lot of tasks which were historically done by men (hunting, fighting, mining, etc) would have to be done by women, would they find different clothing useful in doing those? A lot of tasks which were historically done by women (weaving, sewing, washing) would still be done by women, but would they have as much time to do such things if they had to also do other things? If there were no men, how would people reproduce? Would this cause similar style attraction from one type of person with another as in a male/female species? This video, while interesting, doesn't really address any of these issues.

[@jemi_]

@@Robsta42 This video isn't meant to address any of the economical, hierarchical or other factors as I mention at the very beginning of the video. This isn't titled "how would women live in a world without men". If you want to look into the hypotheticals on economical aspects etc feel free to go through my listed sources or do your own research on pre-existing matriarchal societies.

[@Robsta42]

​@@jemi_ Indeed you did mention that, although it was not what I expected from the title. "What women would wear in a world where men don't exist" is approximately what I read the title to mean, and this conjures an image for me of theorizing how such a world would evolve, and what fashions would be prominent in it due to such changes. From what little I know about fashion, it seems like the evolution of fashion has many aspects to it, and among the most influential factors are showing off one's wealth and/or status, standing out from the previous generation, being practical for doing the work one must do and yes, attracting the eye of a potential mate. The removal of men from this equation could alter many of these significantly. I have done a small amount of research on fashions in a couple matriarchal societies, and it is interesting, but also a somewhat different question then a world without men, since even in a matriarchal society there are still men present in the society and neighboring patriarchal societies would also influence them. In any case, an interesting thought experiment.

[@Robsta42]

@@truthshallsetyoufree-n8o An open mind is to listen to arguments from any political bias and judge them based on the evidence, regardless of what political leanings you may have. Therefore yes, an open mind does include listening to misandrism.

[@procrastinator41]

“Fashion” would completely end. After 50 years, the residents of this world would all dress like working class men from the 1930s

[@carinhatube3727]

This... is painfully accurate.

[@Maria_Svetlana_5923]

I would wear anything i want but never nude. When haters force me into their strict bull---- using beauty and style is my greatest f--k you to haters

[@CharlotteThroughTheWeb]

One of the things that is really interesting about this idea is that. It doesn't nessesarily a purpose the removal of sexuality, BUT it does mean that the people you are trying to dress attractive and admirable to are people who fundementally understand each other's bodies. So much of what makes up male gaze isn't just attractional dress, it's about men's fantasy. So many men just literally don't know how our bodies work. From men believing we can't get pregnant from rape, that we pee from our vaginas, and men thinking women are trapping them with makeup, all the way to the idolization of "breast growth without weight gain" even though breasts are majoritively composed of fat. So we likely wouldn't have things like corsets, but we probably would have things like keyhole tops. And honestly, we'd have tens of thousands of hours of peer reviewed research on what kinds of bras work best for different breast shapes and sizes. So a lot of the range, covering clothes in dangerous environments, light clothing when it's hot, etc. But likely scale of "conservative" to "revealing" wouldn't be a consideration.

[@dennismokry258]

So…… as a straight man over 50 making a comment here I acknowledge that I may be attacked for expressing my opinion. First I want to mention that there are standards for men’s apparel and social enforcement of them by women and other men just as there are for women. If there never were men then I feel that “women’s “ clothing would be much like men’s clothes currently, primarily practical designs with quality and aesthetics adjusted by status. If men disappeared then i think it would be problematic for longer than many women want to believe because few women would be willing to wear the designs and materials that are necessitated by some jobs. Please think on the fact that clothing for everyone, male or female, has evolved from the societal roles that in turn grew from necessities in our ancient past. To a degree I feel your video has been more of a presentation on why women’s clothing is the way it currently is and doesn’t address the subject stated in the title. I don’t agree with a fair portion, but it is a good presentation that would be better served with a title more related to the majority of the material in it. Good luck in your endeavors.