What you actually pay for in a Full Rebuild Service?

[@MattRose30000]

Great video overall, but I found the music too obtrusive at times.

[@chrisjong8412]

Better leave the music out next times, you talking is way to interesting

[@doctorscoot]

+1 the music is too intrusive

[@SubversionGarage]

So many videos ruined with music no one wants to hear

[@KristopherDick]

This is the 2nd "walk through" type video on a row with music distracting from the content.

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

Cyclists that live within a 2hr one way drive to your shop are so damn lucky. Truly one of a kind and unlike any shop that I have ever seen.

[@jamesf8864]

Great video, but spoilt a bit by the music drowning out the words. The words are far more important and more valuable than the music. Music makes sense over the shots where we're just watching an operation being carried out with no chat, but please don't drown out the talking. We want to hear what you're saying - because that's the good bit!

[@wdf697]

Great video. Spending £350 on getting a decent rim bike back into working order seems like a sound investment. I imagine the bike will last for many more years now with minimal further investment. Also, thanks for the Shimano crank recall advice. Bike shops locally were only replacing them last year if they spotted any issues.

[@tobycolin6271]

The first thing I always check on any full bike service is the hangar alignment. Nothing worse than aligning gears only to find you’ve got to wait for a hangar on a long lead time, or worse there is paint damage on a bent steel frame hangar. Great video

[@Mapdec]

Good tip!

[@antoinedoinell]

those repair stands *chef's kiss*

[@jonathanpayne680]

Completely appreciate your decision to cross the cables, although we've had numerous accounts whereby crossing the gear cables internally results in rear shifting issues. Mainly when the added tension when shifting the front mech up can pull on the rear cable (sometimes as much as half a gear shift) and cause skipping. The only solution I've found when this occurs is not crossing the cables, and offering the customer a free frame wrap where the cables would rub. Great work as always though!

[@sbccbc7471]

What I do is add a few shift housing mini tube tops from Jagwire (bought with my own money) when I reconfigure the shift housing routing. Depending on the model, they need anywhere between two to four or even five in total for shift housings only.

[@SiliconEngineer]

WTH! That is a steal! The next time I’m on work visit to the UK, I’ll remember to bring all my bikes. My LBS here in NorCal charged me $500 for this service, and I could still see dust and dirt in all the nooks, and the bike rode significantly worse thereafter

[@edscoble]

In 15 years of spannering, I never heard of a cable snapped from friction when crossing like that, even Specialized recommend it decades ago calling it the "California Cross"

[@COYSMike]

Good to see an older rim brake bike with plenty of renewed life in it!

[@carlpentney290]

Really enjoyed that video. As a one off and getting a pre owned bike as new plus having the peace of mind knowing it was expertly done I think that's actually pretty good value.

[@JimUe1]

bike rebuild videos are so cathartic. very good video, thanks. 5:12 thank you for rinsing! been watching bikespeed and it's triggering to see a bike soaped up but not rinsed. music is ok, just turn it down a notch.

[@adonispearson1571]

It’s funny too see the main service I do at my shop performed on video. Very cool the section in the end explaining service labor charge breakdown. I’ll make sure all my service customers way this!

[@michaelnoy4283]

Loved the Video as always, I don’t think anyone minds paying for quality and professional service you guys provide. Good to see the lads in the workshop smiling 😊

[@Mapdec]

🙏

[@bendardania]

Pretty much a new bike! Excellent job!

[@WhiteVaille]

Since others are commenting on it, I suppose I'll add my opinion. I personally thought the music was a fun touch. Good vibes, not overly intrusive. But sure, perhaps the level could be tuned down a smidge. But I wouldn't remove it entirely.

[@WhiteVaille]

Tbf, despite my tinnitus, I've still got reasonably good hearing, and something like $800 or $900 invested in headphones and amp/DAC, so I might be slightly advantaged, lol.

[@surfrico]

Superb value for money for the level of service. I would be very happy with that.

[@LycraLout]

Great video. Bike looked great at the end. Good to see what a workshop does outside of what a home mechanic may / be capable doing. I don't mind music in videos when there's no speaking. It was a little intrusive at times, a little high in the mix in others and faded out perfectly in others again. I'm sure your editing team will find the pattern that works for you.

[@brendangormley-e3x]

Great job Paul, very interesting, love how everything was perfectly cleaned before it was assembled back on the bike. I didn’t mind the music to be honest, I could see what you were doing.

[@Mapdec]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@gonewiththewheels8424]

I think the price is in line with most bike shops. As a bike mechanic, I love doing the full service. It's such a satisfying job. It will be nice to learn more about the Chris King rear hub from you guys! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Keep up the good work😁

[@Mapdec]

Wondering to do all CK in one vid.

[@keithwilson8971]

I really enjoyed this. Great to see that what I do is good practice on my own bikes but also to understand when I am stretching my capabilities. I don’t do it often enough to be expert like you guys. That bike deserved a resurrection. ❤

[@paulclark6706]

Really enjoyed this video, as I have many of your others. I can honestly say, none of my bikes over 25years of MTBing have ever been to a workshop having done most work myself which I really enjoy. I invested in some Wera tools recently , since seeing your video on favourite tools, and can certainly say they are just quality and a pleasure to use. Back to the video I thought the cost was very reasonable having seen how far you went to get that new bike feel. I have no doubt the customer will be delighted on how it will ride, undoubtedly better than when new after this amount of attention! Keep up the great work and more videos please, they are so informative and helping me learn more and more.

[@andylin8536]

To prevent shifting cable rubbing, can try to use (under bb) plastic cable runners which two cables are raised to different heights, the original one raise the cables to same heights

[@_Zane__]

I think the cable crossing touching is a non issue, I've seen way more cables snap in the shifter hoods than anything else

[@matthewlewis2072]

+1 I ran them like that on a hack bike in London for years

[@NeoPayneHK]

or simply put a liner on both of them?

[@Local.hero.1983]

These strip down and rebuild services are 'partial favor' services , if you charged the correct hourly rate for every hour the bill would be crazy.

[@Mapdec]

What do you mean? It’s about 3 hours work.

[@mrjono999]

11:35 I do the cross technique but whenever I can I put a bit of gear cable inner tube (the very central core) Down over the cable so if they do rub there’s some kind of barrier. When the cable runs through the frame particularly on Karban bikes often worth installing a bit of that foam outer to prevent rattling.

[@simonroels6708]

Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Loved seeing your process of a full rebuild as well as some context for the the cost calculation. Thanks for making this video, I'd definitely watch more of this type of content!

[@Mapdec]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jtb52]

Excellent, living in Toulouse is a bit of a hike. I resurrected my rim brake road bike to ride Mt. Ventoux at 7.7kg it's the lightest I've got. I did a big clean, relubed, changed inner tubes for tpu ones and new conti 500s...I'd forgotten what a bomb it is..

[@wrongusername]

Wow, you are providing excellent level of service and value for money! Superb video once again. Locally I have stopped using mechanics because you never know what you get. I had hubs greased and rear brake bled and it cost me 203€.

[@Mapdec]

This is sort of the reason I started the channel. To publish my work.

[@MS-bw7yt]

That's a very very fair price for a full rebuild with this service quality. Keep up the good work!

[@Mapdec]

Thanks, will do!

[@andrewrogers4341]

This was a good one, music was a bit intrusive but your rate is very good value

[@hjuha19010]

I always wondered about the cable crossing. I personally do it, but I never told my mechanic about it :)

[@fabianmolyneux2308]

Very thorough job done and effectively brings the bike to “as new” again condition. Thanks outstanding vid

[@paulstanton1813]

Quality and professional workmanship carried out in this video. Top draw 👍👍

[@Mapdec]

Thank you so much 😀

[@What-a-kerfuffle-1]

Great VFM with that care and attention. More vids like this please.

[@adamc2579]

Loved that. Great price too. Keep this content coming.

[@tinniswood2577]

It will run better now than a new one fresh off the boat!

[@goodeggnoggs]

Bargain! Better than new I should imagine with you guys working on it.

[@AndrewBroadbent-dr8wb]

Price is excellent for the detailed service and replacement parts. Thank you.

[@RichardGate-UK]

I also like your cable routing method on smaller frames. Only an issue if the cable is crossed twice by mistake, it means the rear shifting can be affected by the tension in the front shift cable. A single crossover doesn’t cause any issue and some manufacturers do this from new, eg Giant.

[@chrishophoto]

One thing I like to do with bikes with internal headsets if the frame has a regular round interface where the fork crown meets the frame is put an O-ring on that is slightly thicker than the gap between the fork and frame. It should be a size that fits around the gap to keep grit and water out, but no tighter than that. Bikes that get ridden in the rain without mudguards fling water and road grime into that gap as the front wheel rotates. Adding an O-ring here does wonders to adding longevity to the lower bearing, and costs less than a dollar, pound or euro. If for any reason it’s not desirable down the road, it’s easy to cut off.

[@Mapdec]

Interesting 🤔

[@bluesthemoose]

Too loud music, makes listening to what you say hard.

[@heath6041]

I'm all for cables crossing inside the frame if its going to look neater up at the bars and not rub the frame. As long as it works properly most customers will love the clean look!

[@mtbboy1993]

10:37 Ultra low budget solution, use two shoe strings tied together, wrap it around the seat post or seat tube secured to the handlebar.

[@stevenbell482]

I am so sad not living in your area code, i so would love to get a bike job done from you guys. Keep up the amazing work. Love from Germany

[@Mapdec]

Thank you.

[@massaka17]

Liked your advice on tensioning the brake cable

[@andreemurray7039]

Love videos like this I'm old school tubular wheels cable gearing

[@82vitt]

The only advantage of rim tubs these days is nice, bling wheel sets can be had new for half price. Other than that it is a basket case.

[@Ryan.T89]

That’s a really nice bike, I am sure the owner will be really pleased when they get it back.

[@sebibuchs]

wow 160 for this complete strip down service! In Switzerland you easily have to double that and I think you would still not yet get the chris king hub serviced :D

[@fpeter01]

It depends on where you live... But if you have multiple bikes, you have to be your own mechanic.

[@andrewrose9707]

My road bike originally had the rear gear cable entering left side of frame and front the right, however I found that when riding out of the saddle on a steep hill my knees would rub the cable and it annoyed the hell out of me. I then re-cabled the gears so rear entered the right and all has been good. Possibly I could have tried shortening the cables but I just didn't like that setup

[@Mapdec]

Thanks for sharing

[@chrisscott8362]

Luv them Chris King hubs! ❤. Super Cool.

[@philipbickerstaff7064]

Really nice job. The care taken is impressive.

[@Mapdec]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@chrisscott8362]

I liked the music. So much complaining. Great vids as usual.

[@sankarpai]

Excellemt video. Very informative 👍

[@davidpayne8413]

Great vid! maybe dial back the muzak volume!

[@nako1234]

Recently serviced myself the giant revolt gravel bike I bought for my wife. It was recently serviced at a bike shop. Boy oh boy! One pulley wheel was put on wrong way around, cable housings were truly rusted and one had even broken part stuck in cable stop. They just put new cables thru. Seatpost came out with beach amount of dust and grime. Just horrible, gave my feedback to the buddy of mine whom I bought the bike from. He was more than upset. Even the carbon handlebar was overtightened at the lever by someone. I am very confident in my abilities, build and service my rim and disc bikes myself. I even go bit further than you. In that case I flushed insides of gear shifters with stripped covers using wd40, regreased them with the same oil you had for brake calipers and disassembled the rear mech. Wanted to ask how you look at a bit of grease in cable stop ferules? I tend to put in some for gravel/all weather bikes. Great video, thanks!

[@Mapdec]

Nice. If you are doing shifter internals use a silicone grease or oil. WD40 is not great with plastics and rubbers. 🙏

[@maaszviktor]

@@Mapdec Paul, thanks for that bit. If Possible to ask, could you a do a video on that topic what exactly You use in your shop in this case? When you were at the shifters I was hoping I'll see that as well. I have a couple of "aged" shimano parts here and that grease inside the shifter just gets so-so sticky... I have not found yet an official shimano service recommendation, and on the road shifters I do not even dare to disassembly these, definitely next level...

[@iudaoh3qzad21e]

What a fun video! Keep up the good work - I'm learning a ton. Whats that step you are doing at 14:33 ? Are you taking off material off the surface to correct any kind of imbalances? First time I'm seeing someone do that.

[@Mapdec]

Is a rim rubber for removing debris

[@nicklinton1180]

Always interesting to listen to your videos , fantastic attention to detail. Please can you tell me what you used to clean the breaking surface . Thanks

[@Mapdec]

Swiss stop rubber

[@Caedo01]

340.42 for great service and new cranks, very nice!

[@John12358]

I enjoyed that, thank you. For the home mechanics, would you consider doing a video on which types a greases you use where?

[@Mapdec]

Thanks. We have done a few of those. They never do well so you have to search.

[@John12358]

Thanks, Paul @mapdec. I can't say I'm surprised. I'll go searching. 😊

[@tinniswood2577]

@@John12358 Bikespeeds is you man for that on KZbin.

[@John12358]

@@tinniswood2577 Thanks for this! I'll see you when I find the other end of the rabbit hole. :)

[@sjurk81]

Great vid and the pricing is great if you'd ask me. I've paid about the same for the not-so-thorough of my (rim) TT bike which was only a check and clean, no full rebuilt. TT-bikes are terrible to take apart but the shop did charge extra for replacing one brakehose. I service my other bikes myself and I don't really mind the cable routing, but I am looking for a new roadbike and the ease of servicing is a factor because it seems to become increasingly difficult to do those things at home. My local shops are pretty pricey so I don't want to fall back on those (charging almost 100 euros / 83 pounds for labour only when replacing a chain and cassette... come on...).

[@Mapdec]

Wow. For TT bikes we really try and avoid adhoc jobs. Getting the whole thing apart is a faster way to work.

[@oldsquashmonkey]

A great informative video 😀

[@Mapdec]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@FlatlandFlow]

$215 dollars for the service you performed seems quite reasonable. I would even go so far as to say cheap. Especially since a lot of shops provide sup par service for more. Keep up the good work. Honestly it seems like it would be hard to pay for all the labor and tools and space to do that sort of work at that rate.

[@82vitt]

In the UK, if you ride a lot and own multiple bikes it quickly pays off to buy ones own quality tools and do all the servicing by oneself. Labour is outrageously expensive here, lead times are one week at the minimum in my experience. Mechanics can be dishonest when they see the customer has a fat wallet, but no clue and rip off happily for work unnecessary / or even not done. I have recently been quoted £100 for labour only for replacing bb bearings, which is a 20 mins job. It is an elite game, more expensive than golf, at this time and things will be only getting worse.

[@Mapdec]

£100 labour to replace a BB. Name and shame. 😳

[@sharonjohnson1171]

Ignorant home mechanic here, not a criticism, but I have been told in the past not to put grease on the crown race surface. Would you be kind enough to explain why it is important to do this? Thank you, your videos are always most informative.

[@Mapdec]

You used to see that in the early days of carbon when the grease could ‘damage’ the carbon. It led to all manner of carbon safe greases. In this instance grease is there to prevent corrosion to the surface of the bearing.

[@sharonjohnson1171]

Thank you ​@@Mapdec

[@thomaskuhn6541]

Great colour on those Chris King hubs. You guys love that Burgh bar tape, does it have decent durability? They've got really cool designs, I'm tempted to try it.

[@Mapdec]

The tape is great. Some of the deigns rub off, others are really durable. We go for Prologo tape for our durable plain black option.

[@springpan]

Hello, great video- excellent attention to detail. I am wondering why you chose that particular bearing compound instead of the Loctite 641, which is also a medium strength formula. I have a 2013 Domane that also has low miles but has not-so-snug 6805 BB90 bearings. I have already ordered the 641+ primer and hope that will be OK. Thanks also for the tip about the recall on the Ultegra crank. I will see if I need to send it to Shimano.

[@Mapdec]

The tool shop next door to us had it in stock.

[@springpan]

@@Mapdec 😆 Alrighty, thanks, now I'm not so worried, cheers from the US!

[@NordicTuga]

I have had problems due to crossing cables inside the frame. Gears were never perfectly tuned. Or they were perfect to the big chainring or perfect to the small chaining. Never both. Solution was simply to uncross the cables.

[@Mapdec]

Sometimes this can happen if there is an obstruction inside. Most common cause is water bottle mounts.

[@brockjennings]

Nice video. FWIW... I would have removed the pedals from the crankset, but that's me.

[@Mapdec]

We did that to send it back to Shimano.

[@rogers8472]

Yeah mate enjoy this content, mucj prefer it when i see you go through a customers bike.

[@Mapdec]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@thepainterdude1]

what's the differance between red an blue loctite I only ever use the blue Love these videos evn tough I ride mtb

[@Mapdec]

Strength. Red should be hard to loosen without heat.

[@Fastfreddyii]

Frankly, I'm astounded at the prices. I had the service at over £300 and with parts, knocking £500. Of course costs are kept low by having the correct equipment available to do the job efficiently. The investment over time must have been enormous, but it indicates a good businessman behind the enterprise, not just a good engineer. Many in business are keen for maximum short term returns, not the case here. There are lessons to be learned from not just how to look after bicycles or how to get the best from them, but how to run a successful -longterm- business by providing a cost effective service that the market wants. Well done Paul.

[@Mapdec]

Thank you. Efficiency is everything. We can't charge for procrastination.

[@bernieraverty4319]

Great video…thank you for sharing.Question for you…as a cycle tourist after a two week tour and being a heavier rider with bags is it worth asking for any extra wheel truing in terms of lateral and radial or are most wheels (DT SWISS 350/DT SWISS Rims) okay with a straightforward true? Do you find customers asking for a more thorough true is I guess my question.Good job keeping your weight in check as well.

[@Mapdec]

Ask for a tension and check, steep side 110 kg/f or over. (This is average, could be more). DT wheels are built to 130kg weight limit. Good choice.

[@bernieraverty4319]

@@Mapdec ok thank you…will do.Bought DT Swiss with your recommendation on a previous video.

[@Rick-e2f3p]

If you used the left front/right rear shifting configuration you wouldn't have the cross cable problem.😊

[@Mapdec]

Do you shift rear gears with your left hand? I didn’t know Shimano made shifters like that.

[@NorthernSkiAndCycle]

Use to work at a stop as a bike/ski tech for a few years and just watched you do my job for 20 minutes LOL. Funny I don’t work in the industry but still enjoy watching people do it. Just curious. I was always afraid to put hubs and bearings through our cleaning machine (almost identical to yours). I always felt it would damage the bearings or cause corrosion. I never put frames or forks in it either. But I assume this whole time I could have done it LOL

[@Mapdec]

You just have to rinse it all off and service any bearings that go through it.

[@EEKaWILL]

I like the Chris King episode idea

[@davidd1492]

Interesting what you are doing with the shimano cranksets. An Australian shop inspected mine, said they were ok, but didn't have an answer when I asked what would happen if they failed in the future. IMO everybcrankset should be replaced, period.

[@Mapdec]

just keep taking them back for an inspection every week until they are sick of the sight of you and just send them back. We just learnt to fasttrack that process.

[@czpevoz]

Nice video, but I was waiting for conclusion about the chain. In this case I would upgrade rims. Otherwise good job.

[@Mapdec]

Oh. Just wipe off the GT85 and replace with ceramic lube

[@neilk22]

Thoughts on ultrasonic cleaners for drivetrain over the enzyme parts washer?

[@Mapdec]

Loads have asked below. I think I will cover in another vid.

[@ericl6460]

Now we need the mapdec / bikespeeds crossover video

[@Mapdec]

What would that look like? 🤔

[@ericl6460]

@@Mapdec no clue 😅

[@wm.thompson6962]

Curious as to why Jagwire cables and not DA brake and shift cable/housing sets

[@Mapdec]

The stainless steel slick ones work great. The Shimano ones get damaged easily with all that coating.

[@RichardGate-UK]

The shimano anti friction coating gets worn and fluffy, creating friction!

[@tobynewman121]

Great video, and good insight. I’ve taken my cranks to two LBS’ in Oxford and neither have sent back to Shimano. They look fine to me but there is that niggling doubt that they might fail in the future. What would you suggest?

[@Mapdec]

Just take them back every week until they relent. We just skip that process and send them back. Who wants that doubt.

[@chriswhite5665]

Great work and nice video, but the labour cost should have definitely been higher given the complete strip-down and rebuild. It's good news for that customer, but I don't want you to give your viewers the impression that their local shop could do such work for such a low rate.

[@Mapdec]

Odd, and we are ever so slightly more expensive than our local competition.

[@DanTuber]

That's a fair price for 1st class service.

[@Servicevelo]

Paul, do you charge an additional fee for labour with replacing headset bearings on integrated set ups? There’s a. Cost even if the hoses are long enough with new barbs and olives, especially if there’s a stealth a majig involved.

[@Mapdec]

Not in a full strip service as I don’t think it takes any longer. For a single job we would charge more, but in reality at that point the bike most likely needs a full service anyway. Yes. Hoses get replaced as part of the service and the barbs are all billable. Again, this is a normal part of service to the brakes. No Different to cost of brake cables and outers when servicing a rim brake bike. When the frame is all stripped it takes no time to thread the hoses.

[@EvidenceofaFabulousLife]

Seems good value for money for the set service fee 🚀🚀

[@yoannbomchil343]

Why don't you use Ultrasonic bath for cleaning ?

[@Mapdec]

We do. When it’s appropriate. It’s very chemical dependent, noisy and not very effective sometimes. You can’t beat a good scrub.

[@lucasbmxibrahimobmx7436]

Nice video

[@Mapdec]

Thanks

[@Cycle.every.day.]

This is a slightly outdated service, a modern hydraulic brake/electric gears/fully internal hoses inc through the headset bearing or bearings is very different, it's a different service altogether.

[@Local.hero.1983]

Those types of bikes can be a quicker/easier service,there's often less to do (headset replacement being the exeption)

[@Mapdec]

We explained that. And we have that type of bike service on the channel already. Modern bikes are much faster to service.

[@smokey7930]

What was the tool you used go over braking surface?

[@Mapdec]

A swissstop rubber

[@leehenderson8488]

You mentioned galvanic corrosion near the mech hanger, did you need to clean this up or just leave it alone. I ask as I found some white powder in my frame and think it might be from the hanger area. There is a small hole on both chain stays near the mech hanger and the same on the other side, would water entering the hole cause corrosion here and should those holes be sealed up?

[@Mapdec]

Yep. Clean it all up.

[@leehenderson8488]

@@Mapdec thanks for getting back to me, much appreciated. It doesn't look too bad from the outside, easy enough to clean up and touch up the paint. Is it possible to get a borescope down the chain stay from the bottom bracket as there seems to be quite a bit of debris inside my frame and I have to know where this extra weight Im carrying around is coming from ;)

[@avro66]

I used to service all the cycle club bikes on camp when i was stationed at RAF Catterick, saved the lads a bit of money, this was back in the 80/90s, i have invested in my own toolkit at home, but still use my local bike mechanic for some jobs, he is very good and charges a reasonable price, great informative video as always paul.

[@Mapdec]

🙏.

[@mereditp]

What sort of turn around are you experiencing from Shimano on the crank recall? Considering taking my 6800 into my LBS but don't want to be without for too long.

[@Mapdec]

Totally depends what sizes are in stock at the time

[@derekgrieve7521]

Is the Mobil blue grease okay for bb install on carbon? Thanks

[@Mapdec]

Read the instructions that came with your BB. You don’t mention tolerance or Material.

[@EmilBMWable]

Aren't you afraid that the slightly oversized Bikone bearing is going to make the BB hole wear out even more? I have a Trek Emonda with bb90 and I'm struggling to find a good solution. I've seen you using a Token BB on a Trek and on other channels using BBinfinite. I guess I just don't know what to pick. My bearing fell right out of the BB when I took my cranks out

[@Mapdec]

Depends how bad the problem is. Measure it and make the best decision.

[@EmilBMWable]

@@Mapdec thank you

[@simonleeofficial]

Honestly i have no idea. I think you should have talked more about the bike, its original retail price, age, estimated use, replacement cost, resale value before and after, retail on a new equivalent say di2 model, second hand value of di2 model. Then i could make a judgement. But then there would be no chance to get the music mixed in 😂

[@81antiloop]

Cranks - did I hear just ship it back and get a warranty replacement? Doesn't happen where I live tho

[@Mapdec]

Yep. Just take your cranks back for inspection every week until they are bored of you and relent. We just speed up that process.

[@evanjohn503]

the music's great, although slightly loud (someone obviously got off on it whilst editing) - who is it

[@jakeevans1129]

say for example i booked in my dj bike for a full service and i had an extra long brake hose would you insist on cutting it or would you ask the question to myself before doing the service? geniune question cause a bike shop wouldnt take on the job as i wanted my brake hose extra long for barspins ect.

[@Mapdec]

We might talk about fitting a Title Gyro, or ask how many wraps you want. 🤟. Jake once made a slipper clutch for some cranks so they wouldn’t spin in the air.