WHAT YU-GI-OH DOES BETTER THAN MAGIC: THE GATHERING

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[@TengoSuenho]

Something that I always thought is very interesting of YuGiOh archetypes is that they almost feel like a fighting game character. You not only have a favorite, you have Mains. You not only love their intricacies, interaction and combos, but also their personalities, their feel, their vibes. This is part of the reason why whe associated archetypes to certain content creators, tho not having rotating formats also helps with that.

[@YohananYGO]

But sadly archetypes are not made equally strong :( look at forgotten archetypes like ursarctic and vernusylph

[@TengoSuenho]

@@YohananYGO Just like fighting game characters XD

[@ether2275]

@@YohananYGO Forget that and can we talk about the injustice that's been done to my boy Summoned Skull. Such an iconic and meta impactful card like Summoned Skull you'd expect go get tons of support right? Wrong, instead we get tons of useless Dark Magician and Red-Eyes support that are better in other decks than their own archetypes. I mean I get it, they're anime fan favorites but come on now. Summoned Skull was alot of kid's favorite monster from the show and it had actual meta relevance. And all it has gotten so far are trash ass extra deck versions of itself like the level 6 Synchro one. Cards like Summoned Skull and Jinzo I believe deserve some much needed attention.

[@YohananYGO]

@@ether2275 I like the art on the ritual and xyz ones so much

[@JudojugsVtuber]

@@YohananYGO day 3437 of waiting for more majespecter and monarch support.

[@TheoJay615]

I completely agree on the "Reprint Season" point. Some players get all snobby saying that lack of reprints "protects the value of their cards" and that is so painful to hear. Sure there are players *asking* WOTC and Konami to NOT reprint the cards, but there are even more players who will gladly *pay* up for easier access to these cards. Yugioh players give Konami a lot of deserved shit for short-printing, but the fact that there are MORE new copies in circulation is better than NO new copies in circulation.

[@ArceusShaymin]

Plus, the general notion that lack of reprints protects the value of their cards only holds true in the super short-term. If we reprinted Black Lotus today in, like, a commander pre-con that sold a billion copies or something, that doesn't suddenly mean that Alpha Black Lotuses will go down to 50 cents. There's more to collectability pricing than reprints, especially when practically all aspects of the cards have changed over time AND COLLECTOR'S INFO EXISTS ON THE CARDS, and the only reason MtG finance cucks continuously pearl-clutch the reserve list is so they can pinch like a couple hundred more out of their cards that are already worth like THOUSANDS. *Fucking reprint format-dependent lands, WotC. I shouldn't have to start selling weapons to both sides of a civil war to afford a Legacy deck.*

[@alexbrangan2885]

As someone who paid $110 for a Baronne de Fleur, please Konami, I'm begging you, reprint Baronne de Fleur. Reprint her into the ground. I wanna look like a complete doofus who should never be trusted with money. The fact that MTG cards can be bought and sold like Dutch tulip vouchers without any of their owners actually PLAYING THE GAME WITH THEM is an indictment of Wizards' crummy reprint policy.

[@goozilla132]

I really wish that tcg released cards like the ocg does so we're not screwed from the get go. Still better than magic though. *Sobs in premium products that end up increasing prices*

[@cax1175]

Konami gets props for not having something stupid like the reserve list.

[@Dominator150395]

Players buy cards to play with them, and collectors buy cards to keep them. Those who but cards to sell them are speculators, and they're a cancer on any hobby.

[@maxumusjesus]

I'm surprised nobody said that Yu-Gi-Oh has Elemental HERO Clayman with his clay body built-to-last and how he'll preserve his Elemental HERO colleagues at any cost.

[@Dori_Dorifto]

true

[@Brawler_1337]

That would dredge up too many bad memories.

[@kenosgaming9937]

The big appeal with yugioh for me is trap cards. You can have untapped lands in MTG, you can have unspent mana in Runeterra, you can have secrets in Hearthstone but none of them have the energy of a face down spell trap in yugioh.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

In MTG, untapped lands with card-in-hand is functionally identical to trap cards, though I'd admit it doesn't have the same psychological impact as literally seeing a card on the table. You have to know things to understand your opponent might be baiting you in MtG, in Yugioh it's obvious.

[@Razr750]

There is nothing better than shouting "YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!" at your friends. lol

[@iBloodxHunter]

Lol just put your counterspells facedown and fabricate that energy.

[@cephery8482]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 nah traps hit harder, if your mana flooded you’ll have untapped lands and cards in hand and be harmless. There is in theory (although bluffing exists in practise) no good reason to set a dead spell card. It’s like a declaration of power.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@cephery8482 1, I already said most of that, and 2, there are a lot of very good reasons to set a "dead" spell card.

[@NinjaFrog65]

As a primarily MtG player (though I've been playing more YGO since Covid and Master Duel are a thing), I will say that the archetypes of YGO are one of the main things that got me. I've always found stuff like tribal decks very neat and fun, but some of the tribes I enjoy (Frogs, Clerics, or Sea Monsters) are either under-supported or don't have a lot of internal consistency. Whereas in YGO the archetypes are basically tribal decks, where every card is meant to be playing similarly enough that you don't have that second issue. Unfortunatelym sometimes you have the issue where you don't have enough cards to make a whole deck so you have to make that archetype work (please Konami give me more Suships). Also, if you couldn't tell from my earlier comment, I love frogs! In MtG they're not really worth paying any attention to, but in YGO, *woah boy!*

[@pablorosada9788]

I'm sorry for your loss #Fsforronin #tobefairitdidbreakthefrogenginebyitself #swapdidnothingwrong

[@UMAtronic]

Its nice finding a fellow frog enjoyer.

[@felixdaniels37]

Yu-Gi-Oh also generally have much better theming in archetypes, due to the "anything goes" mentality the series has. You can have Vampires, Circus animals, demons, cartoon parodies, superheroes, etc. There's a deck for everybody to enjoy in Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@NinjaFrog65]

@@pablorosada9788 I actually never got to play the lists using Ronin, as when I was first getting into YGO (before Covid) Paleofrogs was a tiered deck. So I was just playing a janky deck with my friends for fun. It had stuff like T.A.D.P.O.L.E. and Des Frog, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Though I did have 2 Toadally Awesomes due to some lucky pack pulls, but that's neither here nor there.

[@dazaiosamuda3634]

Another fellow suship enjoyer!

[@AiEbihara]

As a storm player in mtg the reason I love yugioh is that every deck is storm with past in flames

[@bobbywalker2980]

Yugioh is better.

[@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496]

@@bobbywalker2980 depends on what you want. Mtg has multiple formats that are official. Ygo only got one. Ygo has archetypes and anime art. Mtg is western and has playstyles over archetypes. Ygo is cheaper than mtg at a competitive level. But mtg has a deeper card pool to mess with. Both has stinky player bases but also fun people that are not so stinky. So really it comes down to flavor. I play both. Ygo is fun as a pick up game. Mtg has better budget competitive power. But i hit locals for both.

[@bobbywalker2980]

@@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496 cap

[@ashikjaman1940]

@@bobbywalker2980 mediocre b8

[@bobbywalker2980]

@@ashikjaman1940 go phone scame someone

[@OizenX]

I like the fact that Yugioh doesn't have a distinguished art style in its game. While Magic probably has hgiher quality art as a whole, when viewed all together they kinda just blend together in my mind. Meanwhile Yugioh is completely fine with art styles like Madolche or Prank Kids fighting Burning Abyss or Orcrust. Saying this as someone who barely plays either of them and just likes pretty card artwork

[@wolfgod6443]

I don't think there is anything funnier than Melffy fighting something like Vendreads.

[@evansageser6943]

I feel like this has a lot to do with how the anime guided game design. Back in the early days yugioh design was pretty unified but Pegasus kind of lit the fuse when Takahashi decided that most of his cards would be goofy cartoon characters because it reflected his character. The whole impetus for archetypes was that by GX they were starting to make characters whose decks were really reflective of who they were, and since GX was also considerably less serious than Duel Monsters (most of the time) that also meant that archetypes could be anything, from Superheroes to Tarot cards to Toy Cars with Googly Eyes. And once you're at that point the floodgates are open and practically anything can be an archetype.

[@dhanyl2725]

Bruh there are battleship sized sushi in ygo that are apparently edible

[@kauanjos3199]

For me at least modern Yugioh cards are way better then magic ones, the old ones oh boy there's some really bad stuff

[@wolfgod6443]

@@kauanjos3199 I prefer older Yugioh art generally because most had a strong, unique aesthetic. It's nice to acknowledge the stand outs in artwork from modern Yugioh, but let's be honest, most of the modern cards are cute anime characters or over-designed robot dragons and they all look the same. Though maybe this is more an issue with creative design rather than artwork specifically.

[@yourfriendalex6852]

I play both games. Thousand of dollars in both. Mythic and Diamond respectively in mtga and MD. MBT is the only human on youtube that can make these videos without me getting mad. Thanks for that. I think the identity=Deck is a lot stronger in yugioh. The way I moved some yugioh players to magic was getting them to play Tribal decks. I told the magic players that yugioh was like vintage magic without the price tag. I see no reason for rivalry. Why would anyone who likes card games not play the two best ones?

[@iBloodxHunter]

People just don't think, that's why.

[@HazeEmry]

Superiority complex

[@LynnLyns]

Most of the MTG players has a big ego for playing Magic and YGO players don't like resource managing in the game. That could be a reason.

[@NCemloen]

​@@LynnLynshave you ever played Yu-Gi-Oh? The entire game has resource management built into it. Every card is a precious and valuable resource to be used in some way or form. Like, wtf do you mean Yu-Gi-Oh players don't like resource management? And what makes you think this issue isn't even worse in mtg. Because... It is. The issue is called land cards. Benefits aside. Land cards are just extremely costly to ditch. Which leads to not being able to play the game in general. Which is worse than Yu-Gi-Oh where Every Card Is A Resource.

[@brofst]

@@NCemloen Every card game has cards as a resource. YGO doesn't have a *separate* resource.

[@bioniclelegend7]

One thing I am surprised was not mentioned was the extra deck. I love how at all times both players can have a tool box they can access to do other plays without always relying on the out being the in the deck. I find yugioh is some of the most fun when I am looking into my extra looking for a play to be made. Of course this can be double edged sword when cards get too generic like halq and verte.

[@sirtart7043]

Magic does have wish cards which makes it some what similar in feeling.

[@zztzgza]

Mtg has a sideboard that is accessible with mechanics on main deck cards, also the companion mechanic exists, and a new set is coming out that will add more extra decks to mtg.

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

@@sirtart7043 Yes, although they're typically not really "generic" and require a lot more work to make use of than EDs in yugioh. Not to mention that anything you can wish in MTG you could've just put into your deck in the first place, so it's more like an improved way to play situationally good garnets than a comparison with the ED.

[@Ghost26968]

Magic created the companion mechanic, which is the closest to the extra deck we've ever gotten, and it broke multiple formats, required a sweeping errata to nerf them, and ultimately got the best companion banned almost across the entire board. No thanks, don't want the extra deck.

[@Y0G0FU]

Well the Extra Deck now is not a toolbox its essentially an extension of your Hand that doesnt care about your hand size limit. In most games i see people summon 5+ Monsters out of the Extra as part of their bread and butter combo. the other 10 are situational removal, extra copies of important Combo Pieces or Prosperity fodder to get that sweet carddraw.

[@erlanddrow7950]

Tbh the main thing I enjoy about Yu-Gi-Oh as someone who plays both games is how different the archetypes are. It's fun having a deck full of intimidating dragons fight a circus, anime girl insects, holy clerics or digital bugs

[@roge2342]

Amazement, traptrix, exosister and digital bugs respectively?

[@kbrxion5620]

@@roge2342 could also be performapals for the first one

[@roge2342]

@@kbrxion5620 how could I literally forget the main circus deck

[@monkey_blu]

Wait, is there an anime girls insects archetype? Traptrix are anime girls carnivorous plants. And if not, they should make a mahou shojou with the insect motif. We have many Tokusatsu and Power Rangers inspired archetypes, why not magical girls?

[@roge2342]

@@monkey_blu some traptrixs are insects, like myrmeleo and allomerus

[@yaketyyakumo3315]

To explain the whole Borborygmos thing: there was an incident a while back where a player cast Pithing Needle (essentially equivalent to Prohibition in YGO) naming “Borborygmos” (which is a card that essentially saw zero play) instead of “Borborygmos, Enraged” (which was a meta-defining card that it had already been established his opponent was playing) His opponent responded by playing Borborygmos, Enraged. At the time, the judge allowed it, but the rulings on the card have since been changed to essentially “we know what you fucking mean, don’t be dumb”.

[@xolotltolox7626]

The judge should not have let that fly. At minimum he should get an unsportsmanlike conduct warning, and tbh, if it was up to me i'd have DQd him

[@adrianluna346]

As someone who plays both YuGiOh and MtG, a chain is so much easier to understand. In magic you can add cards to the stack while the stack is resolving. In YuGiOh the only confusing this is “when…you can” effects

[@Deception975]

For me, it's the opposite. It's that missed timing thing that fucks me up. There have been so many times where an effect couldn't be triggered. Because something else was resolving, that had nothing at all to do with the chain, i.e. not a counter. So, for me a stack in MTG is easier to follow.

[@josephcourtright8071]

I greatly suspect that you will think the one you learned first is easier. That being said missing the timing feels way more of a rules gotcha than anything mtg does.

[@Brawler_1337]

@@josephcourtright8071I learned chains first, but the stack feels so much more intuitive. It feels like you should be able to use Formula Synchron to synchro into Stardust and negate something. Chains don’t let you do this, but the stack would.

[@gabrielpelletier6202]

I have to say, the fact that archetypes all have themes to their playstyles is a really great thing about Yugioh. Because once you understand the mechanics of Yugioh itself, it's easy to understand whether or not an archetype has something you're interested in. You might not always understand how to play an archetype, but you can understand whether you're interested in learning.

[@ether2275]

That's probably one of the best things about the game. You can see it in how dedicated players are to certain archetypes like HERO, BA, Blackwings, Madolche, Orcust and so on. There are communities formed around certain decks, archetypes and playstyles which is one of my favorite things about this game. This is how I fell into the Albaz Branded hole and the cards and lore are probably my favorite thing about the game so far. I just saw that little dragon boy with the superpoly effect and I saw potential. And later Konami actually rewarded us by giving us broken support. And granted not all archetypes get the same treatment it's still reassuring knowing that every random archetype out there has probably a few loyal followers who love it. You can see it now in with new naturia support reveal and suddently so many people got hyped Konami breathed new life into their deck.

[@iBloodxHunter]

Literally that's the thing I hate about Yugioh.

[@gowford]

@@iBloodxHunter why

[@iBloodxHunter]

@@gowford Everybody uses pre-built decks and combo's, most of which simply shouldn't have been printed (Verte lines, Halq lines, Zoo lines ect.) And think that they're good for doing it. Now the only deckbuilding fun is to see which archetypes have abusable mechanics, like Dragunity and Gusto don't mix very well because their levels and playstyle are too different but if you srick a Simorgh and a Dragunity engine in a Gusto deck you can abuse the absolute worst Dragunity Synchro, the lvl 6 that searches Winged-beast or dragon(but discard) to search and immediately pitch Gusto Griffin. The entire thing is just a new and lame way to put a barrier statue on the board. Yay.

[@brofst]

@@gowford I think I also hate this too --- While I prefer certain strategies and archetypes in MTG I think being able to play all archetypes is extremely important and it feels impossible to do in YGO

[@BadData45]

they have since changed the naming cards with pithing needle and other cards like it by adding a rule thats says as long as both you and your opponent know what card your referring to they cant shark like that anymore. in fact it was in response to this exact situation

[@WhipLash42o]

Yeah it was changed due to Bob Huang scumming Bradley Carpenter in a Modern Open. Carpenter named Borbyrygmos with his Pithing Needle, when the correct target was Borbyrygmos, Enraged (these are 2 totally different cards). The issue here, is that there is absolutely zero chance Bob Huang couldn't have known that Carpenter didn't mean Borb Enraged, why? Because his decklist was open, Carpenter knew the entirety of it, there was zero trick or surprise that could have caused him to misunderstand what he was naming.

[@GenesisAkaG]

There were numerous other sharking incidents in magics history. Like going into battle, skipping mandatory pre-battle effects, and probably quite a few more that escape me at the moment.

[@aliesterus1.023]

@@GenesisAkaG How... How common are these? Yu-Gi-Oh rule sharking can get absurd, but I'm almost certain it's not as common as some of the stories that I'm seeing be put up for MTG are implying.

[@mattr791]

@@aliesterus1.023 its just a difference in culture. in mtg if you forget a mandatory trigger it just whiffs and you get nothing compared to yugioh where its responsibility of *both* players to maintain legal gamestate so if someone forgets a trigger u can usually roll back the gamestate to fix an error

[@LegendLeaguer]

@@GenesisAkaG that skipping start-of-combat thing was really more of the judges sharking the player. They ruled that the *way* he said he wanted to go to combat was a "shortcut" and thus skipped past the time where he would be able to activate his triggers, even though he basically said to activate his triggers in the same breath as going to battle. And this was done to someone in English to who spoke English as a second language

[@RunicSigils]

YGO cards curl as well. It's literally just how the foiling reacts to humidity. There's a reason I keep every playset of Super or above in toploaders and it's so they aren't curled by the end of the week of opening the pack.

[@Insulin_Ingo]

That's true, but mtg cards are extreme on the curling. Doesn't even have to be humid

[@delta3244]

I mean, you've just demonstrated one reason why Yu-Gi-Oh!'s foils are superior: you can rely on your cards not being curled out of the pack.

[@l.schraier4515]

I have foil yugioh cards I've owned since grade school that are still in good condition despite basically just sitting in a shoebox for a decade. Meanwhile every foil magic card I own needs to go through a special five step containment process or it becomes a half-pipe within a week.

[@TheArcv2]

The problem with MTG foils is the quality of the card board , it just can't stand up to the curling force of the foil layer meaning it come out of the pack curled

[@mat99rich]

A few sets that came out I believe in 2015 from MTG the cards were so badly curled that they made the actual packs bend. Making it where the cards that were not even foil be bent. That is what MBT was talking about. And after like 2009 the card stock that WotC started using was sub par. It is something MTG players have been complaining about well over a decade. The sad part is Pokemon cards are made on better card stock which makes MTG fans even more mad.

[@Dile0303]

One of the things i love about yugioh is the aura of menace you exhale right after you set 2 or more cards in your spell/trap zone and pass. You don't produce that same presence when you pass the turn with unspent mana Also, junks and synchrons. There's just something so damn fun about looking at your hand and then spending an entire turn improvising literally everything until it works out, and then not even remembering what you just did, or how you did it because you had to bullsh*t a combo into existence using what you had

[@Dori_Dorifto]

when you have no hand or field and u draw a S/T, u set it and ur opponent has no way to pop it, negate it or their monsters cant resist a mirror force is the ultimate psycological game experience

[@Ragnarok540]

Master Duel really is free to play. You could spend money if you want to build a deck quickly. Or you just do all missions daily and still be able to build a good number of different decks, but you have to be patient, I have been doing the later and it works.

[@JudojugsVtuber]

this for sure. I have like 6-7 decks built including decently meta decks like SwordSoul, adamancipator, and Shaddoll Invoked Branded Despia (if i could pull a single branded fusion instead of 6 borrelend dragons...) as well as stuff like Tellarknights, Pend magician, Traptrix, and Majespecter. All this and I frequently take month or so long breaks from the game and don't even grind ranked that often.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@JudojugsVtuber Does Master Duel have a trading mechanic?

[@JudojugsVtuber]

@@xCorvus7x nope but all the cards are craftable so if you need a specific card it's not too terribly grindy to get. The worst crafting material investment you have to make it for staples like handtraps and boardbreakers. But I got by just fine for awhile with just a few good handtraps and some structure decks. They have much better structure decks out now too. Salamangreat and Dragonmaid give you two solid tier 2.5-3 decks that can steal wins from the big bois and give you lots of cards you could use in other decks.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@JudojugsVtuber Right, I forgot about the crafting mechanic ^^' With so many Borrelends you should have enough material for one or two Branded Fusions so you wouldn't have a use for a copy of mine traded for a Borrelend (at first glance it seemed like an easy way for me to get a Dragon Link boss monster).

[@Dori_Dorifto]

true, through all the time i've played MD i got, symphonic warriors, dinomist, infinitrack, earth machine, malefic, raidraptor, T.G. vendreads, swordsoul, flunderzee, timelords, mekklords therions and many more without spending money

[@BubblyBatty]

Angle shooting in MTG is just like, accepted and kind of part of the rule. In ygo if you miss an activation and you catch it quick enough typically you roll back the game state, in MTG if you miss an activation is just whiffs. Theres something called chalice checking where you activate a card just to see if your opponent remembered that they have a card that negates it activation (usually chalice of the void hence the name) and its not only legal but accepted play by the community

[@willgiesbrecht9318]

Really depends who your playing with, most of the people I play with are generally quite forgiving with that kind of stuff

[@BubblyBatty]

@@willgiesbrecht9318 True, but like from a rulings standpoint technically in tournament play its supposed to fall through

[@willgiesbrecht9318]

@@BubblyBatty alot of the angle shooting stuff (from what I'm aware of) has been sort of fixed

[@BubblyBatty]

@@willgiesbrecht9318 Chalice Checking is still legal

[@qedsoku849]

Yeah, Yugioh has some nice rules like if there’s a mandatory effect, it’s the responsibility of both players to remember it, and if one is missed, the gamestate rolls back.

[@galesturms]

The upside to having locals on opposites of town means I can play Commander on Friday for fun once a week and chill, then play YGO against those same people, see them break under the pressure of bricking for the fifth game in a row, and threaten to sell their deck.

[@praetoratraxa8521]

In my experience a big thing that YGO has over MtG is that YGOPROs pack opener blows any of MtGs pack openers out of the water, that along with no great manual sims make progession series extremely impractical for MtG which is a shame.

[@adamgalloy9371]

Disagree, I've been doing an MtG progression series with my brother and I haven't really had any problems. There are quite a few different pack/draft simulators out there (I use mtgen) and Cockatrice is a pretty competent manual simulator. I've also used Tabletop Simulator for Commander games with my friends. Other MtG web tools like Scryfall and EDHRec seem more developed than what Yu-Gi-Oh has as well, but I'm not as familiar with Yu-Gi-Oh so I can't speak too authoritatively on that.

[@doodimgood]

I play a lot of commander on table top simulator with friends. It's a bit weird to get the hang of, but the only thing that beats it is playing IRL. I've been doing a sealed league of magic that is progression like, but we also do it IRL. Some would rather move it to tabletop sim because money.

[@windknife]

@@adamgalloy9371 YGOprodeck is the closest thing we have to Scryfall. Masterduelmeta is getting there as well.

[@manjoumethunder6282]

ok, I might be a little bit late to the comment section, but I am surprised that not many people are talking about the summoning mechanics like, yeah, mtg does have split cards and double sided cards which are kinda cool, but like yugioh has fusion, synchro, xyz, pendulum and link in mtg you get to what, evolve a card, or flip it to other side when the day phase changes or whatever and that is it in yugioh you get to -use this spell card to fuse two of your monsters into a different stronger monster which is just summoned and does not need to be in your hand or deck, it is somewhere else -use this tuner monster to tune it to a non tuner monster and add their levels together to bring out a high level powerfull monster made by two low level weak monsters -accel synchro even...like, I do know it is only an anime thing but when you get to synchro on your oponents turn there is always that small reminder to yusei doing it while epic theme was playing and bringing out this cool looking dragon -stack two same level monsters on top of each other to xyz summon a monster on top of those two monsters -use a spell card to rank up an xyz monster, so stack another stronger, higher rank monster on top of that xyz monster you already have -place those two special monsters in spell/trap zones where monsters shouldnt normaly be and pendulum summon monsters from your hand or face up extra deck of which level is higher than the low scale and lower than the high scale -link summon by linking off some other monsters to get out this monster in this special zone that players share and that points at your field and monsters it points to have special benefits from it Yugioh summoning methods just have so much more personality though I might be wrong because my mtg knowledge is limited, so someone can correct me if I am

[@Zero3384]

as a MTG player...played for about 20 or more years, but the main difference is that first off....in Yugioh, you can have only 5 creatures in play....in MTG, you can assemble an army with a vast number of abilities sure there's really only one real summoning mechanic "i tap 1 swamp and 2 other lands...i play this creature" simple and straight forward, but then we have morph creatures which you cast face down and then pay the morph cost to flip them face up and trigger their abilities...there's also transforming creatures which when you reach a certain requirement....they more or less evolve into brand new creature or even a powerful spell....some monsters even join a legion and share abilities with each other....Slivers are a MTG nightmare because think Xenomorphs...for every Sliver in play, they all get that much stronger due to their ability to share strengths with one another...IE: all slivers get flying....all slivers have haste....all slivers can not be blocked it's not so much about the summoning as it is about each ability you can trigger....i once played a goblin deck...goblins are fast and aggressive, most of my goblins had abilities that let me fill my field with goblins in 1-2 turns simply by either playing them....attacking with them....or tapping them for an ability...by turn 3, my opponent may have 2-3 creatures while i have 6-7 goblins in yugioh...obviously, monsters that have large attacks or board clearing strengths are king (forgive me if I am sounding stupid, haven't played Yugioh in almost 20 years) In MTG, sure big hitters are great...but so are how many you have and what you can do with them

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@Zero3384consideting how many ESH games just devolve into people having every inch of their playmat covered in tokens, maybe there should be a limit to how many creatures you can have

[@Zero3384]

probably....especially since in MTG, there are infinite creature creation methods for example: splinter twin which allows one to tap a creature to create a copy of that creature with all abilities throw it on a creature that can untap itself and spend the next hour creating creature tokens that can attack that turn with 1 spell, you can create an infinite number of attackers@@xolotltolox7626

[@aislaksana3222]

​@@Zero3384 well actually yu gi oh card that have less attack are more warry since they alway got effect that really powerfull, so its not only about buffing your attack point of one card, but in the advance yu gioh play its how to negate your oponnent play, and making your opponent can't play, yu gi oh even have many card with 0 attack and defence point but got in the meta, even yu gi oh have card that by only having it in your hand you will win because of it, i mean yu gi oh in modern days have really much playstyle depending of the archtype ,same like others tcg games, but the major diff is yu gi oh take card combo more advance and with infinite card building there are infinite possibilty deck and play to make in yu gi oh

[@Zero3384]

@@aislaksana3222 Again...I'm not going to pretend I know the ins and outs of Yugioh....I last played it back in like 2001 I was just replying to the original poster and his opinions of MTG's summoning mechanics and how he seemed to just gloss over and simplify it which I didn't think was very fair

[@victikirby15]

I’ve always liked how YuGiOh has a good balance between cute anime girls and badass dragons. Unlike MtG, it appeals to my inner weeb, but it’s still a game I wouldn’t be ashamed to show to my peers, unlike something like Cardfight Vanguard.

[@Thestar17x]

There is a card in one of the "newer" sets of mtg done by the artist of fist of the north star

[@ether2275]

Just waifus and dragons? We have so much more! We have warriors of all kinds, samurais, wizards, demons, secret agents, time traveling thieves, dragons, maids, dragonmaids, vtubers, crazy space robots, star wars x wizard of oz, pirates, zombies, myutants, scary plants and cute plants, scary animals and cute animals and even fucking house appliances. This game is stacked with creativity when it comes to card design and archetype ideas. It's a game where Melffy and Vendread are both a thing.

[@cephery8482]

I play 3 decks, fighter plane birds, gundam bears and literal capitalist monarchy running demons.

[@HazeEmry]

​@@ether2275 not only that, a lot of archetypes have stories and lore in their art. Some interspersed throughout random cards (Freed and Inpachi, that one little sad goblin kid, Different Dimension) and some with multiple Archetypes (Duel Terminal and World Legacy)

[@eugenechaud4966]

I'm sure your peers definitely wouldn't judge you for playing Traptrix

[@Asmodean1111]

Thank you for agreeing that Chain vs stack is dumb. Coming from MTG, it's just weird to know that chain blocking is a thing and kind of makes control decks not as playable as they might be in MTG. What do you mean I can't just stop that effect because you have two different things happening at once and decided that one I want to stop is C1. Also MTG finance is aids and hurts the older formats to the point I expect in the next 5 to 10 years that Vintage to be unplayable in person.

[@countjondi9672]

Vintage is already unplayable for the vast majority of people my guy, the cheapest meta deck on MTGGoldfish is still 34,000´$+ in paper

[@ixchel3330]

It's wild to me that, because every vintage deck plays things like lotus and ansestral recal, the number of vintage decks that can exist at any one time is in the thousands.

[@Ms666slayer]

Well the thing about the number of decks being limited because of the number of cards is true in theory and false in practice, there this thing that people will allow proxies of the cards in Vintage if you can prove you own the cards that even applies in tournament in order to protect the card from damage, si if you have 1 black Lotus you can build a million decks with black Lotus if you use that many proxies, most Vintage played build lots of decks because of that, and only use their real valuable cards on their favorite deck or sometimes never

[@NAAAAAIL]

Ive only ever liked yugioh my entire life, some friends were trying to get me into mtg arena and even after I bought the 5 dollar welcome bundle, even after I entered this laundry list of free codes, I STILL couldn't make the deck I wanted to make. master duel came out I had a bewd, eldlich, and numeron deck within a month of the game's release and spent exactly 0 dabloons on it.

[@Chucky5525]

Spend 1 month in mtg arena and you'll have the same if not more cards. Judging from what you said you didn't spend enough time playing and doing the free missions to get gold and buy packs which in turn give you wild cards to use on any card

[@Chucky5525]

Looks to me like you went in without the motivation and drive to continue playing

[@NAAAAAIL]

@@Chucky5525 I went in with the exact motivation I had for master duel. it is a video game at the end of the day and im not gonna force myself to play either. master duel was just objectively more new player friendly with upfront currency. cope more ig.

[@CuriousLumenwood]

I feel like the Digimon TCG is one of the worst at doing keywords. They have a set amount of them and each one could be easily described in a little “How To Play” pamphlet or something that you get when you buy a booster pack or set. Instead every single card has something like [Draw 1](Draw 1 card from the top of your deck). I feel like having the keyword there and then explaining it on *every single card* defeats the purpose of even having the keyword. You would actually save space if you just removed the keyword

[@brandonbackup873]

Not all of them, actually, but a lot of the basic ones do, so kind of like how magic does keywords on cards meant for beginners.

[@colemanholth3740]

One thing not mentioned here that I'd add is the community's way of keeping older formats alive and continuing to iterate on them. Things like Goat, Edison, and all the things on Format Library are really cool, and something I wish was more prevalent in MTG. Things like Innistrad-Scars standard, Post-Jace ban Zendikar-Scars, MANY old extended formats, all feel like there was a wealth left to mine and explore.

[@Folfire]

Yes but that's likely born out of necessity. Why do that in MtG when most of the focus is elsewhere? Namely the various formats and ways to play that YGO lacks. Quite sure if MtG didn't have them, players would be forced to make 'em

[@colemanholth3740]

@@Folfire Sure, that's part of it. People also just want to enjoy a method of playing the game however that is far different from the current model of how the game looks. Modern and Legacy aren't exactly a places to use your old cards anymore, they're playgrounds for new pushed designs like Ragavan and the rest of Modern Horizons cards. Legacy also might as well be a dead format with how much official support it gets. I know this ties into other issues, but it highlights some of the benefits to communities surrounding historic formats.

[@Alumnnia]

@@colemanholth3740 Agree on your take, until recently yugioh "envy" mtg multiple formats, now it's just starting to catch up, but still lack on support for them imo. On the other hand, as wizards tries to cash from the formats that people love, those formats are no longer what they used to be, as the new cards kind of warp the whole meta. However, there are plenty of player-made formats that you could still enjoy. It all depends if you get a group big enough to try it. In my case, my playgroup is around 6-10 people, so we tend to try different formats from time to time, we even create our own (once we did a weird draft format, and one of my friends is a programmer, so he did a whole draft simulator online with the weird rules). Most of the time we tried these formats on cockatrice tho, as spending on a deck to play once is a waste.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@Folfire It wouldn't be that hard to make a Commander-esque format for Yugioh, the problem is that Yugioh games are too aggressive for other formats to even theoretically exist. You'd almost have to do something like ban all non-archetype specific cards from decks and limit it to exactly that archetype to make it work. Sounds fun to me, but that also doesn't leave much room for creativity in deckbuilding, which is sure to make any card game a flop.

[@JudojugsVtuber]

I just want people in yugioh to stop pretending Duelist Alliance isn't the single best format(s) in the game's history and that it deserves to be played more than GOAT and Edison combined.

[@7swordquanta459]

1. No need for lands/mana for paying costs. In MTG, cards without mana costs are often expensive and OP. In YGO, zero mana costs are just built-in. Then again, this can also be seen as a con in some cases, especially for OP decks. 2. YGO (personally) is a good starting pt for kids when it comes to understanding complex card interactions. Chains/stacks are pretty much similar in concept. Although stacks in MTG are more free-flowing, the chains in YGO do provide some sort of powerscaling as to what types of cards should resolve first. This can actually help kids understand the logic of complex card interactions that is suited for their age. In my case, I only got into MTG in 2020 (so past my childhood), but I was able to understand stacks better when I somehow think it in terms of chains.

[@dudono1744]

No land and no mana are 2 very different things. You don't get manascrewed/manaflooded in Hearthstone for example.

[@reinatheomni-panda7028]

I love archetypes and I love the design philosophy of the archetypes. I don't think there is a single other game with such a wide breadth of design space and it is amazing. Where Magic feels extremely limited in design where basically everything has to stay within the realms of high fantasy (though that boundary has been pushed more than usual recently) and everything has this one large grandiose overarching story to it, in Yu-Gi-Oh, archetypes can aesthetically be anything or any wild and wacky combination of things and they aren't afraid to have small self-contained things that have absolutely nothing to do with whatever the main story is. Reprints are a big plus obviously and its something Magic needs to learn from. Like, seriously, WotC, listen, you are not a fucking bank. Magic finance people can honestly die in a fire. Way back when WotC decided to implement the Reserve List to appease collectors who just wanted to use Magic to make money rather than, y'know, play a game (because it's a game), they made a deal with the devil, so to speak, in my opinion. Their insistence on retaining the Reserve List despite massive public outcry and doing next to nothing to reprint chase cards in enough quantity for people to actually have access to them makes me honestly want to not play with real cards if at all. Of course, at the rate they're going in Magic, extremely old formats like Legacy are essentially moribund anyway, because sleeve-playable copies of Reserve List cards like original dual lands are in attrition. Also, fuck Secret Lairs and Universes Beyond.

[@sharktenko267]

Comparing ygo to magic is like comparing chess to go, both are complicated but in vastly different ways Though I do wish mtg would be more aggressive with there reprint policy

[@PhyrexianFleshgorger]

Shut your mouth. They reprint nonstop and some of us like our $150 boxes to have more EV than 25 bucks.

[@sharktenko267]

ok i dont care if you like it, nor do i care if your "investment" becomes pennies.@@PhyrexianFleshgorger

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@PhyrexianFleshgorgeraverage magic player intelligence on full display

[@videogamesarecool9280]

I think its more like comparing chess to call of duty: modern warfare 2

[@theradams97]

Perhaps the single leading reason I couldn't get into MTG is set rotation. If I wanted to play magic I'd be forced to build a brand new deck entirely from scratch every 3 years. Now, in ygo I definitely build decks way more often than 3 years, but I can rotate staples, keep playing as long as the game exists and never once felt like I built the deck just to keep playing the game, but instead because I liked the deck and enjoy playing it

[@ashutoshmohapatra7320]

Alternate formats exist in Mtg. You don't have to change your deck three years. I still sleeve up my Jund deck from 2012 with a few upgrades here and there. In fact, you don't even have to play Standard (the rotating format). There's like half a dozen non rotating formats in MTG officially supported by WotC.

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@ashutoshmohapatra7320yeah, in fact, nobody is playing standard anymore, everyone has junped ship to eternals

[@gungy_vt]

Seeing Cockatrice actually gave me PTSD to when I would test decks against myself for hours. Also, I think it'd be neat to see what people think is just plain similar between the two games. I think the low hanging fruit for that is combat/damage being annoying to understand sometimes for no reason at all. MtG addressed this a bit when they made changes with M10, but that also led to older players being confused about what they could or couldn't do anymore.

[@lach10211]

Learning combos and how your deck works is more fun. Learning combo lines it fun.

[@Vhuebes]

whoever is editing these is doing a banger of a job

[@velphidrow8317]

Uncommon dire W

[@drigon100]

Next Video: What OCG YGO Does Better than TCG YGO Main point: OCG has Secret Rares as an alternate rarity in additon to Super rare versions of THE SAME CARDS. Unlike us TCG Plebs who get the super rares ripped out and we have to get secret rares.

[@GodLikesSnacks]

I cannot stand Secret as a rarity! Sure, some of the cards look nice, but in most cases it just ruins the visibility of the picture and makes the art an ugly mess. I prefer UR any time.

[@StigmaKRL]

OCG Ls: VJMP promos still exist in the OCG and depending on where you're from, good luck finding them, and they reprint waaaay less than the TCG so cards are either stupid expensive or hard to find. And then recently there's their obsession with blind boxes (looking at you Secret Shiny Box)

[@zeusalternative1270]

I play MTG, YGO and Pokemon TCG and the difference between those games is what drives me to play them all and not settle in just 1.

[@engiopdf8745]

I envy your mental fortitude for playing Pokemon TCG which has embraced "it's okay bro, it will rotate out" balance mentality in all but name (yes, they allegedly have a banlist, but it's a joke). Getting sacked by Marnie would make me want to commit an act of violence.

[@cephery8482]

And it’s why they’re the big 3. No other games could be. That they all offer something so different that any ‘superior’ game is solely on preference. That’s how they can coexist.

[@DorianTheReaper]

As a fairly casual magic player the thing that drove me away from yugioh was that games are over in 2 to 3 turns. I love grindy strategies that require a few turns to set up and generate an overwhelming amount of resources/damage (think Muldrotha or Wilhelt). I also like the mana system that magic has. I will say that i still love my blackwing deck and that i have many fond memories of yugioh. I like both games but im just more of a mtg player at heart

[@Raminator243]

As unbalanced as modern Yugioh can be, It’s amazing to see decks like Madolche still be playable for YEARS thanks to legacy support. You just don’t get that in a game with set rotation.

[@DracoX-hz3tu]

There are a massive amount of MTG formats that don't rotate, to the point where most players are playing non rotating formats these days

[@Asmodean1111]

As said by someone else, there is formats that don't rotate, and thanks to rotation we don't see bans of 10+ year old cards like Smoke grenade due a deck being able to break it.

[@zztzgza]

You really don't know anything about mtg past the standard format lol

[@luminous3558]

@@DracoX-hz3tu Yes and A do those formats get support once every blue moon and B are they all competitive to the point where only really broken decks can even compete. Standards existence prevents a lot of legacy support for older decks in exchange for preventing powercreep. I don't know how people play any MtG format without being either annoyed at rotation in standard or the insanely stagnant eternal formats. Its like if Yugioh was permanently stuck in GX era.

[@countjondi9672]

@@luminous3558 I think you make a fair point, and the biggest answers MTG has for that right now, is that Limited play is really sweet, and Commander is still an incredibly diverse eternal format.

[@louc.6735]

Definitely prefer the aesthetic of Yugioh. While Magic art is nice, you can kinda imagine it on any mid quality western fantasy novel's cover. Yugioh is immediately iconic in a lot of its designs, and I appreciate it for that. I think most of the reason I don't play Magic is because playing it online is actually hell, tho. Otherwise it seems like a perfectly fine game.

[@TheKaijudist]

MTG Arena is an incredibly fun video game but as someone who wants to use it to practice for in-person play, its economy is doo doo

[@CatchTheseMechanicalHands]

we really do need a modern duel devastator soon. Konami’s clearly trying to cheapen droplets anyway

[@tcoren1]

Well

[@pentagonofpeople]

Genuinely can't believe somebody said that chains were simpler than the stack. Chains are an objectively more complicated version of the stack. The stack: Whatever was played most recently happens first. If something is no longer there when its effect would resolve, then it doesn't Chain links: Whatever was played most recently happens first, except for some cards that have effects kinda included in their cost that happen first, like milling or discarding. If the effect came from a monster, trap, or spell card then the effect resolves even if the card is gone, but not if it was a continuous spell/trap or field spell

[@Alumnnia]

As a magic player, I really like yugioh fast and broken game style (and also the reprint policy), the few times I've played it, I always feel I could go further in many different directions, but don't know how as I lack the experience.

[@ether2275]

Master Duel is a good way to start although I hate so many things about MD ranked ladder. No game is perfect of course.

[@AidenSohn]

I just love how diverse the archetype designs are. Like you can play something that is based off of toys like Fluffal then you can play something about war like raidraptors

[@Dori_Dorifto]

ah yes, the canon war betwen evil plushies and metal birb

[@kennydarmawan13]

Just not having the reserved list is already one huge win Yu-Gi-Oh! has over Magic: the Gathering.

[@lioneart19]

Special summons and how common they are, other games feel restrictive in comparison. The lack of a resource to dictate how much you can do definitely seems to set YGO apart. I also love trap cards and how they work.

[@dudono1744]

The thing with ygo is that there is no ramp, so you start on late game. Normal/Pend summons are technically ressources.

[@omegazeroful]

What I love most of Yugioh is the wildly different artstyles the archetypes use. You can always look at a MtG art and say "Yep. That looks like a MtG card". But things like Melphys, Vendread, fucking Ojamas, are so unique in their one way that is charming.

[@colgatelampinen2501]

Well if you look at cards from secret lairs they tend to look nothing like magic cards.

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@colgatelampinen2501yeah, but that's the whole gimmick of secret lairs. It's about as valid as bringing up Silver Border cards in a discussion about goofy cards in card games

[@SolidChozo]

It's actually astounding how many yugioh players both in that twitter thread and in these comments don't research. Mtg has eternal formats guys, standard is the format with rotation.

[@thismonkeyjustworks1255]

Yugioh has more personality than Magic. Like magic artwork look’s really nice, but I also find it generic and could easily get it confused with something else.

[@posajnejkwahb]

The reprint thing I 1000% agree with, and as a Mtg player who dabbles in Master Duel, I'll never drop a 'Komoney' reference or such since comparatively they're altruistic next to Wizards

[@SoloWing88]

Yugioh is a fantasy kitchen sink, where what ever plot can grow. I only started playing again last year but my Exosisters deck runs Super Dora and Gustav max. Supernatual fighting Nuns call in their support a Rail Canon? Only in ygo Also I like planes and Yugioh is one of two TCG's with planes in it. Why?

[@dudono1744]

Mfw when the space robot dragons summon a frickin disco ball.

[@saiicarus]

The storm statement has never been more apt, I left MTG for YGO with my fav deck of all time being storm and GOD is that apt

[@tyranitararmaldo]

4:46 Also this. So many MTG "players" do this as an aside, or just don't play and just use the cards for money laundering. They are not fun to have to interact with, especially if they are in your damn workplace all the time...

[@haosbeast5054]

It'll never happen but I would adore if mbt had a crossover with the professor.

[@VinceOfAllTrades]

I'd actually say that Yugioh's limited boardspace is an upside. MtG EDH seems to boil down to token generation and there ends up being a cluster of dice on the board representing different things that no one's keeping track of.

[@GG_Nowa]

I'm amazed mentioned the set names being printed in short like POTE or DANE both easy to search and you get the whole set list easily. Magic and it's icons can jog on they're the most annoying Thing to try remember

[@lapisrabbitcomics]

If I'm not mistaken, one point that wasn't brought up about MTG is the showcase cards that experiment with different frames and borderless cards. Yugioh has never done anything like that and it would be refreshing to see some borderless rarity or something like that.

[@sweaner8994]

I feel like some of the borders WOTC has experimented with, especially some Secret Lairs, make it impossible to know what cards you're looking at (looking at you invocations). I have always liked how Yu-Gi-Oh cards are uniform and all the information you need is at the same place

[@brandonbackup873]

@@sweaner8994 Even then, they still made a better card layout for Rush. Way easier to read at a glance AND bigger artwork. Very nice.

[@iBloodxHunter]

@@sweaner8994 Ugh, remember Time Shifted alternate borders?

[@mokoufujiwara6089]

To the comment where the person said "Yugioh is incredible at using it's rules super creativly... that make you play an entirely different game" That also exists in MtG, Dredge is a good example for that especially manaless dredge builds in legacy. I mean come on, Mana is the most important resource in magic to usualy be able to play cards and then there exists a deck that doesn't play a single f'ing land.

[@AZ-rl7pg]

Archetypes are definitely the big win for YGO. It's just unfortunate that mostly thanks to no set rotation/powercreep so many of them quickly become unplayable. For instance when are archetypes like Naturia and Dinomist going to get modern support?

[@Rairiky]

Literally in the next set lol and believe it or not naturia is very likely becoming meta

[@sobbles6242]

i played against a naturia deck and its kinda scarry going first natura beast is io at home and they got some got negate options

[@OblivionZX]

Archetypes are definitely the biggest draw. I think it's why I loved Slivers and (M12) Illusions in MTG the 2 times I got into it for a while or Lost March in Pokemon TCG; they feel like archetypes because of the gimmick that ties multiple different cards together.

[@jnet124]

As someone who loves alternate art cards, shiny foils, and and overall a player who is mostly what cards look like rather than what they do in when i want to make a deck, MTG pretty much offers that more in droves, especially when you start digging deep through time and all of the cards. with YGO in my personal experiences a lot of the archtypes i wanna try end up having to really lean on other engines and such to function and i dont really jive with that, though its been a while since i've looked back on ygo stuff so maybe stuff i like is more supported and i'll give it a look!

[@ether2275]

Some decks do and some decks don't. I'll give some examples. There's decks like D/D/D that can basically be run pure with pretty much no downsides as they are well supported and have a bit of a toolkit for everything. Then you have decks like the so called "based" or "kitchen synch" or I guess to be more specific the Rose Dragon Adventure Sangan pile of card that was considered tier 1 for a while. You know, just a bunch of good cards that that work well together but have absolutely nothing to do with each other in terms of aesthetic. I gave you 2 extreme examples but it's a good way to start. Now in modern yugioh unfortunately alot of times, if you want to run a deck with a relatively small engine it is recommended to play different good engines that pair well with it because engines have become such an essential part of the game nowadays. For example, a deck that I played was Shaddolls and Shaddolls were always good but they could do more when paired with Trains. And of course in a more modern setting I realized that using the Invoked engine was much more beneficial than trying to play pure in this case and later added Dogmatika as well. You could always try and play pure or at least as pure as possible which is fine but alot of the times you'll find that certain decks lack something to be better. In the case of shaddols, the deck never really had a normal summon and so Invoked, Dogmatika or Despia paired well with them cause they were that missing piece the deck needed. Not saying you can't play pure of course. Best way to play yugioh is find a group of friends that are also interested, build fun decks and create your own game essentially where you just all have fun doing your own thing. If you want to play more competitive or go to locals your deck will definitely be lacking if you're playing pure alot of the time although there are plenty of exceptions you can find and look into.

[@RedsHitpostMedia]

Some things i like Yugioh over MTG for is its unique archetypes and tribes. Many decks can similar things but each have their own unique way of doing them. The other is the swing potential of games. Even in the anime which it often happens 1 card can literally turn the tides of a match in otherwise impossible situations. MTG you tend to get steamrolled and the situation becomes unrecoverable if you fail to maintain a board. Another huge thing is that Yugioh is essentially Etetnal where cards dont rotate like they do in MTG so you can keep your old decks with minor updates not completely have to revamp everything every 2 years.

[@pretzschy]

All that I've learned from these is someone should slap Joseph with a stack to make him do a TMT on MBT

[@doodimgood]

Donation goal for next charity event, play a game of magic on stream.

[@krullachief669]

Maybe we'll finally have a video of him playing Mono Blue Tron.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

The stack is literally the simplest possible way to chain effects in sequence. It's self-explanatory and 100% intuitive. You just READ THE TOP FUCKING CARD OF THE STACK. That's it, that's the entire way it works.

[@pretzschy]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 I meant a stack of cash...

[@DEClimax]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 ironically, it seems like reading was an issue here

[@tora148]

As an ex-Hearthstone player, having played for like 3 years, master duel and even paper are such a blessing. In Hearthstone free-to-play is basically synonymous with hard-stuck Silver no matter how good you are, and Wild is completely inaccessible, because you will use basically all your resources to craft one playable deck in a season, maybe 2 if you’re really grinding.

[@shreknskrubgaming7248]

For me, the reason I play YGO over other card games is kinda just because that's how it happened. I got into YGO because of Duel Links which made me more interested in the TCG as a whole so I learned more about the meta there, and then started playing Master Duel when it released. I've always wanted to try other card games honestly, the reason I don't is because I know so much more about YGO and I don't know how to gather that same information about, say, Magic. I don't know where I can find a massive video going over everything I need to know, and I don't know where to get started in terms of learning it. I've tried beginner guides and such but I always feel like they're not teaching me enough. Edit: I forgot another reason that holds me back; set rotation and different formats. I'm not saying these are bad things inherently, but with Magic specifically, it can be really confusing for someone trying to get into it. I hear about all these things like Commander, Eternal, etc. and I have no idea what they mean or what format to start with. It's a bit intimidating for a new player wanting to try it out.

[@joplin4434]

tolarian community college has great videos about how to start.

[@shreknskrubgaming7248]

@@joplin4434 I may have to check that out.

[@joplin4434]

@@shreknskrubgaming7248 interms of mechanics he's the one that got me in the game. In terms of flavour spice8rack is like an unhinged MBT and i love them very dearly for it. But yeah TCC has a lot of videos for all levels, including how to play and where to start, he's amazing

[@shreknskrubgaming7248]

@@joplin4434 if I do decide to give it a shot, I'll definitely keep that name in mind. Appreciate it.

[@CasualKing21]

Yeah, staples in YGO are better than staples in MTG. Mainly because YGO is an eternal format. In MTG you do have staples, but only in a color. And those staples vary depending on the format. Like Thoughtseize can be a staple, in black. And in formats that aren't Standard. But it's not a staple in EDH unless you're building a deck that specifically revolves around discarding. And even then, there are probably better and cheaper options than Thoughtseize. At least w/ Ash, Maxx C, Lightning Storm, etc there are TONS of decks that use them. Once I crafted them in Master Duel I can put them in almost everything. VERY late edit: The only REAL staples MTG has like YGO is fetch lands in the Modern. Format.

[@laescama497]

To me is the mana mechanic, the lack of it to be precise, of all the card games I've played, yugioh is the only one that just lets me play, I don't know if I'm explaining my point correctly, in all thr other games you are chained to a resource that makes you wait or stop, in yugioh it's just pure gas

[@vaxel0068]

Agreed, nothing feels worse than bricking for 4 turns in a row because you didn't draw energy/mana. If I'm bricking in yugioh it's because my deck is bad not because an inherent mechanic of the game.

[@calamelli209]

I wish I could play a card game that could meet the happy middle ground of having an energy system that keeps turn 1 boards from being as insane as modern Yugioh but doesn't have the start of the game as slow and luck-based as Magic. Build Divide does just that, but it's still new and Japan-only so I can't play it yet.

[@laescama497]

@@calamelli209 digimon is the closest I've played to what you are describing, both players share the same resource which is allwais the same, you expend all you have in your turn and if you want or have to make more expensive plays you are giving your opponent extra resources for their next turn in exchange, basically, the more you play, the more your opponent plays

[@spacecoyote6101]

@@calamelli209 that game used to exist back in the mid-late 2000's and early 2010's, it was called yugioh

[@themrrightleft417]

@@calamelli209 maybe FF, with the mana mechanic of that game. You can discard any number of cards to get 2 mana of the related color for each in that one, apart from the supports that are like lands, but with a mana cost. Or DBS, where every card is mana, and damage step power increases. Edit: BTW, in FF you draw two each end of turn, except the first one, where you draw one. And unspent mana from discarding dissapears at the end of the turn

[@judge489]

As a Magic player, couldn't agree more with the cost issue. The reprint policy of Yugioh is just better. One thing that wasn't brought up was the willingness to make brand new mechanics and card types and keep making support for them. Legacy Archetype support is one thing (frogs, blue-eyes, Drak Magician), but consistently getting support for things like Pendulum and Synchro is just something that Magic doesn't do because of its block structure.

[@like17badgers]

I feel like people are equating a lot of things weirdly Pend and Synchro are more like planeswalkers and vehicles, we've been seeing them almost every set since they were added to the game new mechanics like Mutate or Adventure or any other the others are closer to archetypes which do get a very similar treatment, where if it's not one of the archetypes listed on the box, you're getting no support from that set at all

[@judge489]

@@like17badgers my big go to is Transform cards. They really should be much more evergreen than they are. I do agree that cards like Planeswalkers fill that spot as well, but even Vehicles need to be apart of an appropriate setting (they have admittedly gotten better at making said settings, tbf).

[@tdosage]

First I'm hearing that Mbt is a Naruto the card game enjoyer. Gigachad moment.

[@Sam-db4xs]

Oh my god the fuckin Roe v Wade Reddit post for MTG had me fucking laughing

[@unamusedrowlett6303]

For me i'm learning that MTG sets are very limited in terms of what "support" a set has for specific decks. In Yugioh, whether the card is good or bad, you can easily grab a set and find a few cards for your deck. With MTG, i'm usually waiting around for 4-5 sets to come out because the cardpool just doesn't fit the decks that i have(e.g I have a Ragavan treasure tribal deck and nothing in the latest set(Dominaria united) was worth adding).

[@like17badgers]

I find it's the absolute opposite though for yugioh if you are not actively playing the decks that are printed for the set you get nothing, for MTG you can find just about anything unless your deck is intentionally niche to the point you wouldn't want to change it anyhow

[@unamusedrowlett6303]

@@like17badgers can see that, I was thinking from a casual setting. Even in competitive, you can still modernize a deck to do something brand new(e.g running branded in fluffal/frightful)

[@luminous3558]

@@like17badgers Probably depends on how optimized your decks are. I doubt most modern mtg decks would change any card in their lists until the next modern horizons or standard game designers fall asleep on the wheel again. Yugioh on the other hand generally has a few powerful generic ED monsters and spells/handtraps in every new set. New engines can also totally revamp old decks.

[@countjondi9672]

How further support does not arrive for a while is usually the case for eternal decks in Magic: The gathering, but I find the same problem more aggressive in yu-gi-oh, as some archetypes get no support for a long ass time and due to yu-gi-oh's nature picking up an archetype and seeing only a couple of spell/traps that are usable for a while is not uncommon.

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

​@@countjondi9672 That's direct support yes, but for instance while the last Madolche Card was released early 2019, since then they've released a bunch of staple cards and the Vernusylphs which considerably change how you (can) build the deck. And Madolche isn't even a _particularly_ good example for this, because the archetype is inherently difficult to combine with others.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

I never played Magic outside a few drafts but I did have a lot of friends that play and I gotta agree with the sharking. Hooooo boy are MTG players willing to go above and beyond to prove how absolutely they do not want to play MTG in a tournament setting.

[@Jellysfrickingstuff]

I remember when nibiru costed 28 dollars lmao. Now you can get 2 full play sets of ultra rare nibiru’s for less than that

[@fuzzythoughts8020]

I have some of the old Naruto cards, including a rather nice gold foil Asuma and Shikamaru. I can not confirm or deny that I still remember the hand signs for fireball.

[@kitsunewarlock]

Sharking: I've been a competitive player and judge for Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh! and I'd rather judge a Magic tournament 99 times out of 100. In addition to thieves, judging Yu-Gi-Oh! tournaments means constantly having to run from player to player making calls and there is always at least one table with a hand in the air. Magic I can go entire rounds without having to stand up.

[@J0non0]

genuinely what drwe me to yugioh was the lack of real set rotation. coming from vanguard i was devastated when i couldnt play my deck anymore cause my locals only held the mixed format (or whatever theyre called) tounaments like once every 2 months

[@fhialsdhkt43tg72]

YuGiOh card design has just so much more charm and personality imo. Maybe thats just childhood nostalgia, but they are so playfull and pleasant, also never generic looking. I really like the creativity.

[@jonathannorris9475]

Yu-Gi-Oh monsters really do be ranging from generic dragons to gundems to sentient burgers.

[@Merilirem]

Sometimes I do wish they would do more classic stuff or make some "generic" looking cards like you have in other games. Then they make Gate Guardian stuff and I forget myself and am happy again.

[@andros1486]

As someone that plays both games, I agree wholeheartedly that for players of ygo the reprinting is amazing. Meanwhile MtG players have been suffering for years and years at the hands of stingy reprints, rarities getting upgraded when something gets reprinted (making it harder to pull), limited print runs, or cards simply being stuck on the "reserved list" which bars them from proper reprinting entirely. However that some guys on Twitter are like "yeah we have archetypes and MtG doesn't" seems kinda weird when Goblins, Elves, Merfolk, Zombies, Vampires, Humans etc. exist and all have fielded very respectable decks in the past or current metagames. Especially the talk of people "maining" certain archetypes being a cool ygo-only thing, there are so many people in MtG that just play zombies, or vampires, or merfolk etc. and gush over every new magic card that supports those decks like crazy.

[@andros1486]

To further list some archetypes in MtG that have supported decks: Ninjas, Samurai, Warriors, Rogues, Wizards.... the list goes on and on

[@overthemoon34]

Old comment, but it's also the fact that all of those are kind of generic fantasy races which makes it more boring, yugioh has all of that and more, it has cute animals, French and Italian desserts, Dante's Inferno, Stationary, Gundams, Athletes, literal code, AI, fallen fairies, Dinosaurs, Gun Dragons, Ancient Chinese warriors, Arthurian legend, mechas, colourful drawings of birds, big hulking machinary, trains, the list goes on, it's far more varied than MtG's generic fantasy archetypes.

[@mrruniccross1226]

I would argue that MTG also has nostalgia bait in the terms of planes.

[@priinceoftiime]

No new Alara set, no new Lorwyn set, no new Tarkir set. Just an Incorrect take

[@mrruniccross1226]

@@priinceoftiime While fair we have returned to Dominaria, Ravnica, and Innistrad which are all deeply popular planes. It's not like Konami hits ALL the nostalgia bait.

[@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496]

@@mrruniccross1226 exactly where is my laval support konami? Where is my man eater bug omni negate. I cry

[@mrruniccross1226]

@@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496 I mean there are people who are patiently waiting for more Volcanic support, fossil stuff (or maybe that's just me lol), Red-Eyes with a cohesive game plan, etc. It's not perfect but I'm not claiming that either game does it perfectly just that they both do it.

[@priinceoftiime]

@@mrruniccross1226 I'm waiting on my tier 0 hungry burger retrain, but those are my top 3 planes that I wish we would go back to

[@Slackker_]

4:54 That reddit post is so funny oh my god. but to answer their question, no, the repeal of roe vs wade will not affect card prices. they expect that women will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies, this is not true as magic the gathering players do not have sex.

[@WhatDaHeckIsThat]

Also, Yugioh's community autosims are way better designed and supported than Magic's. With Yugioh, you can just hop on Omega, EDOPro, or even Dueling Nexus, and get a game reasonably easily, and you even get automatic matchmaking in 2/3 of those. With Magic, all of the autosims are filled with archaic bullshit like port forwarding, and they're all dead as a result. Of course, this is probably a result of WotC getting in the market early with MTGO, a game designed to cater to the exact cardboard investor shitheads that ruin Magic for everyone else.

[@graysonshipley929]

I wonder what interesting ideas/ mechanics in niche or “dead” card games that yugioh, mtg, pokemon or any other big card game could take notes from.

[@uS0ra]

the archetypes thing is the biggest thing for me, other than having pretty anime art. If i like an archetype from the lore or how they look I can go and play a good deck using them and they all synergise, only needing to splash maybe another archetype, and even for meta decks I can pick based on aesthetics, the sprights look pretty neat for example, but in magic pretty much every competitive deck is just a pile of completely unrelated things, and they never really try to make decks feel harmonious in flavour, its miserable. also please do a pokemon tcg episode cos pokemon does most things better than both of these games :) other than having people to play with.

[@andrepayne4349]

I'm actually making a card game simulator that includes a bunch of different obscure cards games, naruto is one of them

[@smitefulaxe1344]

Is there a place I can stay up to date on the development? Or is it not for public release lol

[@andrepayne4349]

@@smitefulaxe1344 definitely will be public release, but I'm not far enough along for that yet.

[@GeminiTasiri]

1:45 6:24 Ah, the uncommon Double Dire L

[@andyik9009]

Reprint policy is very true though. I wish both yugioh and MTG copied pokémon...... Paying more than 20 bucks for pieces of paper is ridiculous. Your special foily card can still hold value while we get the play with cheap reprinted commons. It's a card GAME, we should be able to play with the pieces!

[@Siobio420]

As someone who’s played Magic a LOT longer I only have three words: No Reserved List.

[@anteante2332]

I'm shocked MBT didn't mention it. To be fair to him he has segments where he ranted about it so I think he thought it was beating a dead horse.

[@BigZ971]

I will say this, I love that the PTCG has different rarities of the same functional card. So making a budget deck is much easier

[@OhVicanne]

Artwork. The artworks in Magic all blend together.

[@maskofthedragon]

2:47 That was one of the greatest plays of all time though

[@MrBrunogiachetti]

IMO, Yugioh still needs its "commander" format, and by that I don't necessarily mean a multiplayer highlander format, but a format made for and by the layers, which is embraced by a good chuck of them and praises a more casual yet somewhat complex and interesting style of play. Even in casual games it feels like yugioh's gameplay leans heavily on some types of cards and effects that somewhat limit the viability of more varied and interesting strategies (like MBT said in the video, we have archetypes like flower cardians that have a very interesting, complex and unique type of gameplay, but they suck at most levels of play, even against some casual decks.) Not saying that I have a solution to that or that I can think of anything, but I whole heartedly believe would be a lot more attractove to a lot of people if it had a format with that general feel to it such as Commander has in the MTG community, especially if Konami endorsed it

[@mellowcorpsep6665]

the layers? excuse me we are all saving it for marriage like good yugioh boys

[@MrBrunogiachetti]

@@mellowcorpsep6665 LMAO shush, you know what I meant

[@7thHourFilms]

Little late on this but for me I love that Yu-Gi-Oh has a defined playmat. Anytime I look at physical MTG, it looks horrendous. Creatures, lands and crap just placed wherever the hell you want and in Commander with 4 players it's an eyesore. YGO has 10 Zones to play in for each player plus 2 extra. Deck, GY, Field Zone, and Extra Deck all in a nice grid. The only thing it needs is a zone for Banished cards but that's pretty minor. I recently got into Pokémon TCG and was very happy to find a similar board. All they need is a zone to activate items/supporters but again it's minor. MTG is a mess and not even sims like Arena really clean it up.

[@ThermiteKitty]

Digimon TCG and its clones like the One Piece TCG are also definitely inspired by YGO's firm playmat, and it makes them so easy to understand.

[@al8188]

This video rocks, but the VOD is so funny. It's 70 versions of "cost" and "reprints" alongside huge stretches of silence punctuated by MBT telling someone who never played magic that their insane take was wrong.

[@chenkaixiang2455]

do you have a link？

[@anteante2332]

Him arguing about old cards coming back is mostly a bad thing was really funny to watch.

[@al8188]

@@chenkaixiang2455 it was up on his twitch. I dunno if it's still up.

[@al8188]

@@anteante2332 it was so funny. The extended discussion about the chain vs the stack was also hilarious. Just watching mbt scroll and scroll and scroll, then stop at someone going like "no other game let's you bluff!" And he's like "leaving open mana in blue decks?" Just an amazing watch.

[@anteante2332]

@@al8188 i dont play magic so i dont know what that means but the moment i heard what stack is i really didnt like it. Maybe im too much into yugioh

[@clothandleather2838]

Mtg: mechanic design, themes, formats, restrained power creep, easy to pick up, stream-lined text. Yugioh: art. Show. Overall yugioh is not really a fun game to play unless your willing to delve in the comp scene. And even then it's dicey Edit: magic has really cool frame art. An additional alternate art.

[@renownerd.276]

I'm not sure if MBT is just meming but. . .The old naruto TCG was actually my favorite.

[@ClampEEGEE]

One thing about keywords that I do NOT like in MtG is that it makes cards feel samey. I don't like the concept of there being ~300 cards per set, but you don't need to worry because the vast majority of them are creatures that all have the same keyword ability on them. Like imagine if they made an entire set where 1/5th of it was cards with the Madolche recursion ability but nothing other than that, and that's how Magic feels with some keywords.

[@andyik9009]

What you guys called an upside is something i see as a major flaw of yugioh. Every competitive deck has like 10-20 cards that are the same... Namely the hand traps. You just decide with what archetype you want to support your hand traps this season. So when just 1/4 to 1/2 your decks are all the same, i feel like theres a major lack of variety in competitive yugioh decks and how they feel. And there have been many meta's where the game was decided in turn 1 or 2. I like the back and forth (so i do like the current yugioh meta!). I would personally prefer if there was a semi limited conditions to the generic hand traps. Like you can have 10 in your deck and you have to pick and choose which 10 of Ash, imperm, veiler, DD crow, nibiru, droll bird and lock, ghost belle, called by you want in you deck. But that's just my opinion.

[@alicetheaxolotl]

I'm amazed nobody mentioned the Reserved List: For anyone not in the know, WOTC has a list of cards that they have agreed will never be reprinted in order to retain the value of those cards on the secondary market, just to keep some of their earlier players.

[@dhanyl2725]

Wait so that's what reserved list means? Sounds scummy... Then again we have shuttleroid, the absolute meta threat that stays in ygo's reserved list :(

[@mylowhanging3832]

@@dhanyl2725 this is not a problem because we already had funciona reprints...

[@videogamesarecool9280]

@@dhanyl2725Wizards of the cost has gone on record saying that the reserved list is the single biggest mistake they have ever made with magic

[@Debatra.]

"Until Arena came out, the best way to play Magic was to use MtGO." *laughs in Tabletop Simulator*

[@CapnCarlSails]

what kind of bugs me about magic the gathering is definitely a lack of reprinting for cards that should be reprinted. example? tropical island. people say this card is too powerful, but I disagree 100%. I am actually looking to get into Yu-Gi-Oh, but have no idea how to start.

[@jaggededge11]

Man, "The Stack" (In MTG) is way easier to understand (And to play with) than Chain Links (And that''s not even including stuff like Chain blocking, missing timing, or good ol' KSS). Where MTG gets more difficult is the outcomes off all the complex interactions that come from effects (Like replacement effects) and lets not even get started on Layers. One thing I like in MTG is WotC being unafraid of shutting down strategies by printing specific hate cards (Like the Leylines for example). In Yu-gi-oh, Mystic Mine being legal is putting salt mines out of business.

[@GG_Nowa]

Mine isn't targeted hate tho. It's just a blanket hit to everything from tier 1 to untiered. More targeted hits are cards like d barrier that have big power against deck types like sword soul, branded or even splight to an extent

[@TeamSprocket]

Bro Chain Links are just a list, it's literally a simplified stack.

[@plumokin5535]

Omg I spit out my food when the roe v Wade post showed up. That post will live in infamy