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[@ninjalectualx]

Poll: should Zealand grow a white mustache?

[@StevenTV2020]

This is something that I need in my life what I never thought about needing

[@TamrielicScholar]

No, he should grow a mustafro

[@emperorfruitmarket]

He should grow one of those civil war area mustaches

[@MontyESA]

a) of course b) yes c) sure d) absolutely

[@LGSkipper]

Maybe just shave the sides of the mustache and leave the bit under his nose

[@dpads]

WHY AM I STILL LOOKING AT YOU FROM THIS ANGLE? PUT YOUR DAMN DESK TOGETHER!

[@lunardestruction]

but he has kids (catchall excuse for anything)

[@freddybishay]

Lukaku has been very vocal about this with the belgian national team. Same exact sentiment: "When I win, I'm Belgian. When I lose, I'm ____"

[@jurgengjidia8657]

Ozil too

[@m.c.martin]

Ozil is probably famous for that saying more then anything. He said “When we win, I’m German. When we lose, I’m Turkish.”

[@GinAwajan]

These are the type of people to write " the west has fallen" under a video of a shawerma shop food review

[@AlTarif]

The West is falling and it's easy to see if you actually pay attention to it.

[@liverbot4854]

I stumbled across a KZbin channel of a guy who points out every wrong thing a person of colour does in the UK. Among the comments I found some weird replies under a comment that talked about a white woman meeting a white man, and one of the replies said “Make some beautiful white babies.”

[@mananghildiyal2675]

😭😭😭😭

[@qBeYcarpet]

Some of German football legends like Klose and Podolski are Polish immigrants, but nobody sees them playing for Germany a problem. Very curious.

[@l.apastore4208]

Because, white.

[@alexd9134]

Almost like there is a difference between european immigrants and middle eastern ones

[@Infimet]

@@alexd9134 There shouldn't be.

[@KimJong-101]

​@@alexd9134do you think Germans have viewed Poles as their equals historically?

[@VantommHD]

@@alexd9134that would be?

[@Jon_FM]

Alphonso Davies was born in in Ghana, as a refugee from Liberia, moved to Canada. Grew up in my current home town. Now lives in Germany and maybe soon Spain. Dude is as Canadian as I am. I am glad he plays for team Canada.

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

No, he isn’t. By definition.

[@pjkerrigan20]

@@jacksonconstantine5740what is his citizenship? Where was he raised? Which nation did he choose to represent on the international stage? The man is Canadian.

[@fernand1267]

​@jacksonconstantine5740 "by definition", nationality is a political and legal connection between a person and a State as established by the law of the State. And Alphonso Davies has had nationality attributed by the Canadian State. By definition, he is Canadian.

[@mananghildiyal2675]

​@@jacksonconstantine5740 Canadian isn't a race mofo, barely any Canadian is native to that land

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

@@mananghildiyal2675 it’s not about nativeness, it’s about ancestry. Being born in a place doesn’t make you of that place, especially when your ancestry is halfway across the world. You lot seem to think that all it takes to make you of a place is happening to have been born there.

[@sheikhrobbie466]

What specimen at that broadcaster thought this poll would be a great idea, honestly

[@beuli9315]

i wish i knew cause i pay them (involuntarily) 18,36 euro per month...

[@quandale-gayming]

It was for a documentary about the evolution of the national team and how they changed from just germans to a mix of all kinds of people. I don't actually think they meant it in a weird way and probably didn't think correctly before asking.

[@KleineralsDrei]

Some one who wanted to test how common / excepted racist thoughts around the national team are. Not the worst thing to test, tbh.

[@fioredeutchmark]

@@KleineralsDrei”racist thoughts” 😂😂😂 So I guess you’re all for there being a significantly higher proportion of colonial Europeans in African teams then?

[@KleineralsDrei]

​@@fioredeutchmark If you don't get why those statements are racist, you have a problem my friend. And why would I be against people of european descend with african nationalitys to play for the country they see as their home? However how siginficantly higher that proportion would be is irrelevent. Because that is the point: it should not matter.

[@mrmr446]

Astonishes me that anyone could look at history and think 'yeh, purity, fixating on that has done so much good for everyone.'

[@nameanteater4772]

European racism is a different breed, they have encyclopaedias of slurs

[@EliaFlowers]

Fuck casual racism they went competitive

[@Nairam10]

You act like racism isn`t the case on other continents. I´m pretty sure that especially Germany, due to our history, is one of the countries with the least amount of racism. However, a lot of native Germans feel like their culture is violently replaced with middle eastern / african / muslim culture. We don´t want that. And sadly we have a lot of people with migrant background who shit on our country and tell you how much their country of origin is. They don`t wear the jersey with pride and use our national squad to advance in their club career. Özil was one of those cases.

[@yungclimba]

@@Nairam10 and you're literally being racist

[@hrodebrt]

@@Nairam10 Buddy you are just racist with extra steps

[@Loeffellux]

@@Nairam10 I love how you are basically saying "there are tons of people in Germany how HAHAAAATTTTEEE immigrants .... and for _some_ reason some people who were born in Germany as 2nd or 3rd gen immigrants have to deal with those shitheads feel badly about the situation, how dare they!!". If you want to be racist just say so instead of hiding behind terms such as "native Germans" or "violent replacing" - literally nazi talking points. Least obvious AfD voter. Fucking read a book every once in a while instead of doomscrolling your Telegram channels and facebook groups.

[@minecraftjunky2001]

If we all try to "go back where we came from" central Africa is going to get a little crowded

[@mikevismyelement]

Midwit take that you somehow think is uber intellectual. Purposefully disingenuous

[@TheChosenFailure]

Horn of Africa about to be lit

[@Matt-io8cx]

the funniest bit is that if europe didnt colonize and kept to themselves, they wouldn't have the migration "crisis" they have now

[@n47eem]

"We have to learn to get along" - Zeland Shannon, 9:21 , ep 184 of zealandism

[@steelblink]

German here. The problem of the poll is that there was only a polarising yes or no. It was not possible to answer: what a dumb effin' question, or: it doesn't effin' matter. You frame a question like that, you get what want. A scandal. But yeah, there is a lot of racists here. And they are SO happy if you give them a voice like with this poll.

[@falke3090]

The Yes/No character of the question also makes it that right-wing populists can use any outcome for their purpose. They will see the majority (79%) saying No as prove that the general public wants more immigrants and as confirmation of that whole Great replacement conspiracy they're spreading. So they can even use that to justify their so-called "resistance" and potentially justify violence.

[@NR-fd9wv]

let's not pretend this question is anything other than a indirect way to ask people if they are racist. so what other options do you need? "I'm not a racist, but..."?

[@kevinwolfenden4685]

Did you have a fight with a fountain pen?

[@koalaorange.]

Poll idea. Would you prefer Z to grow his moustache out even longer or shave it off?

[@Darilon12]

Zealand, please go full Wilhelm!

[@notasquiremario3299]

grow the stache

[@ToriTrak]

grow it till we cant see his lips moving when he speaks

[@pajanightbadger1713]

The concept of "races" exists only in language and is used primarily by the political class to divide us. We're the same species who have adapted to different environments on the same orb. You're absolutely welcome

[@mikevismyelement]

HAHAHA so fucking delusional

[@alexd9134]

So that's why knife crime has risen all across Europe. Damn you political class

[@Xx_m1k3_0X1onG_xX]

Race was created as a justification for inhumane colonial behaviour as a way to circumvent religious ethics

[@Xx_m1k3_0X1onG_xX]

​@@alexd9134knife crime is a socioeconomic problem where "minority" groups are disproportionately represented

[@Flunksqk]

it's not only existent in language. Races are a real phenomenon, otherwise people wouldn't get discriminated because of it. What you mean is that it's a societal construction instead of being a scientific category. Race isn't based on skin colour, but race as a imaginative construct does shape and form many things and social relations in the world and therefore to say that it "only exists in language" is too short-sighted and closes of some necessary avenues of discourse about the topic.

[@Hariyapki]

Truly appreciate these videos btw. Feels like I'm talking to my buddy at 4am in the morning on discord while gaming

[@laxrlynch1206]

The reason for this poll is because they are releasing a documentary about this subject on Wednesday and wanted some concrete numbers to quote. I think it’s really dumb to release that survey right before Europe’s biggest tournament. Controversy is not what the German team needs right now.

[@KleineralsDrei]

They do not work for the dfb. If they would than yeah, it would've been dumb. But it's not the job of (sport) journalists to pick the right moment for the National Team. It's their job to uncover the truth and in some regards to make people face it. Doing something like this while the focus on the national team is as big as it gets is exacly the right moment to get as much attention as possible. So no, it's not stupid, it's clever. Just not what the national team needs, but like I said that can't be a factor in journalism.

[@prysrek8858]

@@KleineralsDrei nobody really needs it or cares though.

[@ThomasSamoth-ls8ed]

@@KleineralsDrei So you're basically saying Germans generally shouldn't really be supportive of their own team (and that at a home tournament ffs), or what? Instead they should make it even harder + possibly spoil a once in a lifetime football party for their own players..? And for what reason exactly..? Short-term personal monetary interests? Where's the emphathy and decency? I mean they didn't even break any news with that poll like you make it seem...What about the interests of the millions of other peoples who want to enjoy their tournament in peace and togetherness and focus on the joy of the sport? I mean those milllions after all are paying a monthly fee for that broadcasting service. How about a poll whether the documentary should be published or not? And also what about general decency + respect for the players? Why not have a documentary about a less controversial topic or at least go on about it with a different tone? Why not publish it right after AFTER the tournament or some weeks prior to it? So many different approaches out there and you literally have chosen to defend the worst possible approach. And I mean nothing of it even is news that needs to be shed light on for the people to see... so why stir it all up right now before a home tournament. The worst thing is that that those who've made that documentary probably aren't even football fans but then they have to spoil an upcoming tournament for football fans AND the players!

[@KleineralsDrei]

@@prysrek8858 For something that nobody cares about, we are talking an awful lot about it, don't we?

[@KleineralsDrei]

​@@ThomasSamoth-ls8ed What? No, I'm not saying that Germans should do anything. I'm talking about what JOURNALISTS have to do. It's their job. Is every German a journalist? Last time I checked a few of us are doing something else, aren't we? And how fragile are you or are we if something like this can spoil the tournament? It won't. You know that, right?

[@gernico13]

An American football fan knowing who Farage is wasn't what I expected.

[@pjkerrigan20]

You’d be shocked how many of us know about British politics. Obviously if you asked a random American on the street, they probably wouldn’t know quite as much. In general tho, our soccer/football fanbase (and young people more broadly) tend to have a solid awareness of the world outside of our country. The ignorant American is still a relevant stereotype for a reason of course, but our country is anything but a monolith.

[@Stryker_-qd4nq]

He definitely blames him for making work permits so hard when managing in the prem

[@thomasfrost3087]

Hating a person because of something they were born with, is something I will never understand. It's so incredibly moronic.

[@MontyESA]

This poll is part of a TV documentary about racism in German football. There is a discussion about poll this in Germany, obviously. One part of the reality is, that there is a huge problem with racism. On every football pitch you can hear slurs and shit. I visit amateur games in Germany on a regular basis. We have a growing number of people who elect racist parties and are openly racist in public without being ashamed. It's totally believable to have 20+ percent assholes here. That's the sad part. The national team wants support a good atmosphere, I get it, but there are so many people who talk shit about this team.

[@MontyESA]

The exact motivation, according to today "11freunde" stream (a German football magazine): The journalists, shooting the documentary, used statements from interviews with football visitors that were openly racist and wanted to prevent criticism to use anecdotal quotes and events to dramatize the problem. So they decided to request this representative poll to get an additional metric.

[@Darilon12]

Just a minor clarification... The documentation is more about integration as far as I know. But racism is unavoidably linked to that so it will come up.

[@raketensven3127]

But it wasn't racism when they made monkey sounds for Gareth Bale or Oliver Kahn, who had in times the whole box full of bananas.

[@Nairam10]

Thats only part of the truth. Especially muslim migrants behave very badly in amateur football. Our crime statistics are dominated by the muslim minority. There is issues within this country due to the fact that wee took way more migrants than we could handle. Politicians of the very parties who inflicted the damage to our country try to downplay the issue for ages. It´s quite predictable that people vote for right wing parties.

[@croskoal]

There's a quote from Ruddiger on The Player's Tribune a couple of years ago. "I was born here, but I'll never be german for some germans" that was in 2021

[@StevenTV2020]

Even as a German I hear from it the first time

[@DaxRaider]

ur kidding right ? its like this and the police murder 50%/50% in the media

[@Darilon12]

Then you should really try to be better informed. It's been on the news all day in Germany. I heard it on the radio this morning.

[@CaptainFirefred]

@StevenTV2020 Unterm Stein zu leben, ist nichts mit dem man sich brüsten sollte.

[@prysrek8858]

@@CaptainFirefred ein Leben zu haben ist sehr wohl etwas mit dem man sich brüsten sollte

[@CaptainFirefred]

@@prysrek8858 Das ergibt im Kontext, beim besten Willen keinen Sinn.

[@hr-g4640]

there is famous joke in germany there is a ghanian refugee in germany and hevis a extremely grateful to german people for allowing him inside of the country, he gets free food, free housing, free cellphone, free internet, and a monthly wellfare check, so goes out on the streets and tries to say thank you to a german for all that, he stops a man and the man tells him, I am not german I am polish, he stops another person and that person says I am not german I am serbian, he keeps stopping people and none of them are germans, finally he stops a guy who tells him he is turkish, the ghanian refugee then asks "where are all the germans?" the turk looks at his watch and says "working"

[@felixwinkler6450]

First step in solving a problem is admitting that there is a problem... I don't think the ARD is to blame for asking a question, which, predictably, got a lot of wrong - and yes, there is a clear wrong here - answers. Roughly the number of people wanting to vote for the far-right AfD in Germany responded predictably racist. That is something we have to deal with. The greatest strength of Germany has always been to be brutally honest. We looked at ourselves after World War 2 and realized we have to do something very different. And we did. Now Poland begs Germany to build up a military, because now we are the good guys. But that didn't happen because we put our heads in the sand and ignored the crimes of the 30s and 40s. We did that after World War 1, which resulted in WW2 in the first place. No, we looked at ourselves honestly and learned from our past, as we didn't want the future to rhyme. I think asking this question is a very good thing. Living in a fantasy world, in which my nation is always the greatest, huge and tremendous and always comes first, that kind of thinking leads to disaster. In order to grow you need to accept the growing pains. You need to be willing to admit the uncomfortable truths and not get yourself sucked in by dishonest media outlets who tell you comfortable lies, while claiming to be fair and balanced. If a nation is to succeed, it has to ask the uncomfortable questions in order to find problems in reality. And the reality is: Germany still has a racism problem.

[@Baffon100]

I'm willing to bet France's WC final lineup gave a not-so-insignificant amount of Europeans the "ick".

[@rayeardley7618]

To be fair comparing the French national team is a weird one - the French famously look down upon the people from their colonies and always have done. Zidane famously talked about the pressure to pick France over Algeria because if he'd gone with Algeria he would've been shunned en-masse in France. The not being French thing was the same when their national team wasn't performing as expected.

[@jothiraadhithya6522]

CLEAN UR ROOM ZEALAND

[@ajprop99]

"Shout out to Colombus" is probably not the best way to end a discussion on race...

[@flpalves]

Thank you, I was just coming here to say that. I like Z and I believe he means well in this discussion but yikes that phrase made me cringe

[@stevennl223]

Did you here the rest of his story??? This is such bullcrap. Using a single line, without context... Yes we all know, as well does Z. The rest of the 13 minutes clearly explains what he's saying. Don't be like this, come on. (Social)media oneliner nonsense

[@tommy8372]

Your comment lacks context. I can quote you on "end a discussion on race"...what does that make you look like?

[@crappycrane7325]

😂

[@jaydenlewis7276]

Thanks Zealand. I grew up not looking much like my mother or father and watching you empathise with how the cognitive dissonance and disorientation of identity affects you made me unreasonably emotional

[@arkadiuszsliwinski8451]

Im gonna make U uncomfortable if u dont set up Ur desk already

[@jonhunt2609]

Zealand - BUILD THE DESK NOW

[@OrlovKruskayev]

POV: you're interviewing Zealand with a mic stand attached to your face

[@TheRadPlayer]

21% is rookie numbers for Europe. Now let's see it for Finland...

[@tardaboveall491a]

They have to have notes from the meeting, that decided this. We need the reasoning so we can gasp in disbelief.

[@CactusDave8]

Glad Ze is just a man from Florida and not a Florida man

[@EgoPanikBG]

They want more white boys in the team now. But if someone like Sane or Musiala wins us the cup, these same people will celebrate

[@Damian_1989]

There they are, those vague ass video titles lol

[@zacko8609]

As an England Fan we don't mind if Musiala decides to play for us instead. Imagine bellingham rice saka foden and musiala.

[@TheMarslMcFly]

Good thing he already has more than three caps for Germany lol

[@cyk719]

I appreciate when you throw historical knowledge of the world in videos.

[@Beliskner999psn]

Just checked our roster for the EUROs and except for Waldemar Anton who came here when he was 2 years old every last one of our players was born in Germany. Was always mind-blowing to me how people don't understand that it's competition between nations, not ethnicities.

[@aisosaihama]

The argument I hear from dumb racists in the UK is "wEll, If a CaT iS bORn iN a StaBLe, iS iT a HoRSe??" completely ignores the fact we're the same species with different phenotypes being expressed 😂🤦🏿‍♂️

[@DemonDjz]

Where’s the desk Zealand?

[@SaintDorado]

I am german and had not heard about this. I genuinely don't understand what they intended or how this thought this was an acceptable thing to do. The result is suprisingly lower than I would have guessed tho, which is a good thing? I guess?

[@piekay7285]

While I agree with what you said, the poll was just badly phrased, which is a general problem with these sorts of polls. Additionally the poll was made by the public broadcast, that tends to have older and thus more conservative viewers

[@simonroth4937]

The question came up while they were working on a documentary called "Einigkeit und Recht und Vielfalt", the topic being diversity. They wanted to check if the sentiment uttered was prevalent in the population as well. They communicated it really poorly and I'm more upset with the result of the poll than the poll itself.

[@peterschulz96]

1:58 they said why they felt the need to add that But that'd be way deeper in german debates than necessary for a funny football channel HAHA

[@TapdotWater]

I've been trying to write a short story centering on this (and a few adjacent) topic(s) for a while and that line about a national team being a tapestry of a nation's story and present moment is honestly perfect. It's exactly the sentiment I've been trying to capture

[@saimalishahid1406]

I think Portugal deserves more credit for really starting to speed up the process of making the world smaller

[@samuelschonenberger]

The mustache makes me less unconfortable than your Desk Zealand

[@dominikwischmeyer3814]

For some Context: There is historically some controversy going back to Gerald Asamoah and David Odonkor being racially abused for being in the national team from the begin of the 2000s. It gained more traction after a leading politician german right wing party AfD said something along the lines of " i dont want Jerome Boateng as my neighbor" which sparked quite the controversy in Germany. There was also another case where Mesut Özil said germans are only accepting him as german when the national team wins. Since then it is a topic in german media from time to time. The current poll is from a Documentary by said ARD regarding racism in german football where they Interview Asamoah, Jonathan Tah and Shkodran Mustafi regarding their experience.

[@davinnicode]

way too oversimplified but OK. Also this whole Özil thing was completely made up. Özil was voted for player of the year multiple times.

[@Rossoneri2]

​@@davinnicodethat just means he performed not that they value him as a human

[@ProfessionalNonce]

How bout we make a poll about getting Zealand to fix his desk

[@PunnyPanther]

Best thing to do is to go for a Run, Zealand

[@Jin-oc5yq]

Funny. I am from Germany and didnt notice this bs at all.

[@oswaldomichel1844]

Why are you making so much sense and being so deep with such a simple explanation. My man, you were made for this. On another note: Where's your desk?

[@ZombiBlender]

I respect the hell out of your response and reasoning, just subbed!!

[@entropy2030]

The point of a “nation state” is to be a policial outlet for a distinct ethic and culture group. If Germany is 30% black 20% Asian 10% Indian and 40% German, then the German state lacks a logical reason to continue to exist. It would only exist through inertia

[@NR-fd9wv]

a state can be founded on a common idea, the US and france are the best examples for this. modern germany as well. also, culture has nothing to do with ethnicity. if you are german and grow up in another country you will experience less german culture than a foreigner who grows up in germany. and many players only have one non-german parent, so why wouldn't you consider them german? just because of their skin color?

[@entropy2030]

@@NR-fd9wv All great points. The people that lived in the 13 colonies predated the "idea" that founded the US. So therefore it was a PEOPLE that fought the wars and founded a nation. When America was founded the "white" population was 99% English and 95% protestant Christian. Still the closest thing to American culture is British culture. Look up how Ben Franklin viewed even German immigrants. Short story, he hated it. If America was just an idea then we would revoke citizenship being "unAmerican" but we do not. People can assimilate overtime, hardly ay German immigrants speak German anymore and that is a good thing. Hopefully the same thing happens with recent European immigrants. All I'm staying is that if you snap your fingers and French people started eating sushi with chopsticks it would still be France because the people are the same. if you replace 100% of the population with black Africans (or Russians etc.) it would not be France. If the throughline for the nation is the culture right now then German peasants living in Koln 100 years ago would not be German by your standard.

[@volkerswille]

The reason for this poll was that they experienced a surprisingly high number of racist remarks while working on a documentary about the German national team. Although the subject of the documentary was not primarily racism/xenophobia, they wanted to find out whether this perceived racism was accidental/anecdotal or systemic. So they designed this poll to get to the bottom of racism in German consumers of football.

[@jai-sukhdhesi8758]

COOL RUNNINGS REFERENCE, ONE OF MY FAVOURITE MOVIES OF ALL TIME

[@aristaeus2514]

As a fellow history geek.. It is interesting to realize how relatively young the whole notion of nations even is.

[@Makrillo]

Henrik Larsson didn't feel Swedish either.

[@Tris2000]

You do get similar surveys of acceptance of LGBT issues, some of which are carried out by LGBT associations. While the reading can be depressing, if you carry them out regularly and see an increase in acceptance, then that is a huge positive as you can show that things are improving. Nepal, for example, was 67th in the world for LGBT acceptance and is now in the top 10 in the world. These things help politicians push for LGBT rights, marriage, etc. And Nepal now has an out gay man as the top head of their High Court. So, while it's depressing to see that 21% of Germans polled are (essentially) racist, if they repeat it in ten years and discover that that number is now just 11%, then the benefit of having the poll becomes more apparent. However, doing this before an international tournament, in your own country, is pretty stupid, and will certainly make some of the black fans and players from other countries feel a llittle more uneasy when walking around the streets of Berlin or Munich....

[@felixmustermann790]

surveys can be screwed in just how the questions are asked, you could make surveys that would result in 100% racism in any country or you only poll a certain demographic, and considering the one responsible for this survey its simple rage bait

[@Tris2000]

@@felixmustermann790 But how different is it to when people are surveyed on "how would you feel if your son came out as gay" and "do you think that a marriage should only be between a man and a woman"? Surveys like that have been very helpful in showing the world becoming a more tolerant place (except perhaps in places like Russia, but everyone's scared to say how they really feel there).

[@MravacKid]

My favorite example of the world shrinking is Mario Balotelli. :)

[@pavel228]

In - very lukewarm! - defense of the poll: the ard made a documentary about how Germany feels before the Euro at home (or something). They questioned a few people and stumbled across some racist rhetoric. So they decided to not just leave it up to that but look, if that one racist was in any way representative or just the odd one out - and made a poll where the questioned random voters in Germany. In my opinion the questions are very suggestive and one can argue whether the poll was really necessary, but also: It feels a bit like killing the messenger here. We just don’t really like to admit that yes, we have a bit of a radical right problem at the moment (like many other countries, I presume).

[@Grimreaper977]

A radical right only rises in opposition to a radical left that has gained power, it happened a 100 years ago, and it is happening again.

[@nathanielnot4u]

ur mustache looks amazing don’t let anyone tell u different

[@thargoff]

@Zealandism A German youtuber living in the USA for several years now, "Feli from Germany", did just do a video on the topic of the differences on how race is handled in the USA and Germany: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6rQq2uNnbBmoqc It just came out yesterday I think, no relation to the poll, just in general, but it fits here, I think.

[@mxri_7096]

ZEALAND MENTIONED THE DR, MY COUNTRY MENTIONED LETS GO!!!!

[@justBarcley]

I'm gonna get a bit defensive here because I work more or less close to the people who made the documentation, and the poll in it. So the poll has been taken kinda out of context but not really. What had happened is that the author talked to people on the street and encountered multiple people saying, even while fully aware they were beeing filmed for the state television ARD, that they want more "German" people in the German national team. And when questioned further, some explicitly said, more white (and I think blond but don't quote on that one) people. With that experience, the team wanted to find out whether these thoughts are widespread across the German public or not. And how do you test that if not making it a question in a poll? The author has talked about the poll and the documenatry on German television and put that into more context than I ever could, and it is also further contextualized in the documentary - but obviously not everyone who sees the poll has watched the documentary, you obviously havn't because it is in German and does not have English subtitles (yet?). And I understand that Julian Nagelsmann is not happy about the poll, and talking about the poll without the context of the documentary to promote it was also a dumb move - but racism is a problem. And most of your video as well is about how dumb that statement is. But 21% of people polled picked that answer. That is 1/5th of the questioned people that have chosen to agree to this clearly racist statement. So it's not really the poll that's the problem here, it's the racist tendencies that the German people exhibit, isn't it? You have to incorporate extreme opinions whenever you poll opinions so people can disagree. Racist tendencies are on the rise in Germany generally, so I think it is fair to find out how that translates to people talking or thinking about the German national team. (And the documentary also shows people who do not agree with that sentiment, and the author has told that especially kids playing football absolutly do not share these beliefs. It's not like nobodys talking about tolerant people.) Happy to talk with people who want to argue constructively about it more in the comments - I also don't think everything went perfect with the documentary or the poll. I can't really give more context than you can get yourself though, unfortunately - all I did was watch the documentary and watch a talk they had after the controvercy was already well on its way on Hart aber Fair (a German TV-talkshow). You can also watch the documentary right now in the ARD Mediathek, same with the talk (or you watch the documentary tomorrow on live TV).

[@Olipakerranoiva]

The final point about having a lot better food is a great one. I live in a small town in Finland and of the three best restaurants one is owned by an immegrant form Turkië and another is owned by a Chinese family. (the third one is owned by an ordenary Finnish bloke)

[@aisosaihama]

As a 1st gen immigrant born in the UK to a mum who was invited here because not enough english people were graduating from uni. It is heartbreaking when your mum insists that you do everything to respect the country, serve to improve it and keep out of trouble but no matter what, "natives" doing nothing with their lives can tell you that you don't belong because you don't look like them. That means this whole "good immigrant" thing is a myth, no matter what, there'll be some prick with a dumb analogy poorly explaining why you should "go home".

[@LuisEstrada007]

Great video Zee! This is an important topic to talk about and you did while being entertaining and informative, bruh Germany is just something else for asking this question XD

[@theangrykbdist]

Desk nowwww Zealand.... DESK!!!

[@paulhill4382]

Thanks for reminding me of Cool Runnings mate. Fucking A movie. Loved it since being a wee kid

[@farfan97]

Oh man Z, there are several wrong things you aid in the video. Hope you read that and hope I can give you a little vit of context out of Germany for this. First of all: The did not just select 1300 people at the street. There was an scientific institute doing this survey and they did it there usual way, so this survey is absolutetly representive and done right. And by the way aksing over 1000 random selected people out of a sample you want to study there is scientificly ony a mistake range of about 2-3%. Then: This survey did not stand alone it was initiated by a young black german sports journalist who did it in the context of a documentarie series of several parts dealing with the integration of football and the special relationship footballers with a migration background have to their country and their national team. Former players like Gerald Asamoah and current players like Jonathan tah are featured in this documentary. These question are not the only questions in the survey but the main reason for them was, that the journalist met several people in his research that said exactly this things and he wanted to quantify how common this opinions are in Germany. Really, there is nothing wrong with it. Also I really wonder why everybody is criticizing the guys that made the poll the criticize that 1/5 of Germans are thinking like this. Why is it a problem to make racism public and not that there is racism? I dont get it.

[@Jolsn]

The media would prefer to talk about anything other than football and will find a way to do so by force if need be

[@badaboum2]

Good take. Historically, a lot of elite football players have come from the poorer strata of society, and those strata tend to have a lot of immigrants and their descendants. And you're right that for some people it only becomes a problem if those sons of immigrants are black (or sometimes Arabic). The history of the best French football players is pretty telling, from Kopa to Lloris, including people like Platini, Genghini, Fernandez, Ginola, Cantona, Pires, Barthez, Hernandez or Griezmann, the French NT has had players with foreign origins among its lineup for a long time, but none of these guys are ever singled out because they're white.

[@hr-g4640]

true, it is a good thing that all the whites are rich elites, the rulers of society and all the working class, the lower class, will be black in the future

[@MegaJK97]

They (ARD) did ask the question as a part of a documentory about systemic racism in German football and made the poll as a way to find out if the problem some people here in Germany have more complex problems regarding football players with migration backgrounds or not. After the poll, it seems confirmed that 21% just seem to be racist. And to clear that up: Julian Nagelsmann didn't dislike the question that was asked per sé, but the result. Germany currently has to deal with an uprise of right-wing extremists and neo-fascists, and that's an additional reason why the result of the poll is problematic.

[@Sandromp3]

’I am German when we win, but I am an immigrant when we lose’. - Mesut Özil. As a young german i have to say that we have a major racism issue thats getting worse every year. I never understood the logic behind racism and i probably never will. We should feel ashamed doing this especially right before hosting the EURO

[@falke3090]

Fun Fact: Right wingers in Germany claim that the state media is too left. In reality this is a great example of how the media allows right-wing talking points to influence the public discussion.

[@CesarBarca]

The real question should be where are the football players with red hair.

[@Galaxy6913]

You know, all this stupidity makes me wanna ADJUST my setup, and the go for a RUN, then rest and EAT CHOCOLATE TURTLES... Sorry that last part was another accident.

[@ClaysCoins]

Turn up your mic volume homie

[@imacarguy4065]

Issue is, not many countries like globalism. Secondly, not many homogeneous countries are doing well. Thirdly, for countries with unique culture that they want to preserve, they don't like foreigners. The New World isn't the same as the old world. The old world is obsessed with maintaining its culture.

[@MikeyDaRed]

Zealand well said brother

[@deirdrahhh]

I think the struggle people who feel this way are having is largely exacerbated by proportional representation, or perceived lack thereof, which is seemingly what this poll was trying to clumsily get at. Highest-level professional sports are not exactly model UNs, even accounting for legionnaires in team disciplines. Intersection of less favorable social status/prospects of 1st-2nd generation immigrants and some ethnicities' being genetically blessed with higher pain thresholds and better aerobic endurance (both important for football that's all running, jumping, falling and being hit) in people of African descent often results in more of them becoming successful athletes than would be strictly reflective of ethnic makeup of the region they represent. Plainly put, even in more prosperous countries, just like places like Uruguay, sports are often the only reasonable ticket to prosperity for those who have raw ability and few other comparable avenues, it's just that in places like Europe these trends are literally visible to the naked eye. Which then pisses off racists who think people who don't look like them are deliberately trying to take over representing them. The poll is still nauseating, though. ADR is the media company that did Russian sports testing labs investigation that sparked the doping scandal and bans, so it is surprising to see them engage in such yellow "reporting" trash.

[@Stfguac]

It's good to know you're a good person, trying to treat everyone like a person, with respect, etc. I had to unsubscribe from quite a few youtubers because they decided to put down one minority or another even if liked their content, generally speaking

[@mrmr5580]

As an English fan, if Germany want to give England Jamal Musiala back, I'd happily agree 😆

[@PhilHoch]

The problem with such polls is that a certain part (East) of Germany and a certain demographic (older) are not too keen on other races. I speak from experience. The thing is that i would rather say it is more like 10 % rather than 23% but it depends where the poll was held. And everyone denying it just don`t want to remember how Gerald Asamoah was treated from a certain demographic when he played for the national team or other Racist things that happen in the lower leagues of German football. The greater problem for me is the denying from the rest of Germany that racism still exist to this day and that they want to prove that, just to fall on the face like in this example

[@Ixar900]

I mean there is something called statistics most countries have the majority from their country from 1 race unlike America and it is normal for people to rather people from their nationality have this high pay jobs because the money will get used in the country not like when emigrant send the money to his family etc

[@jayer.]

The poll was part about a documentation about racism in football by ARD

[@MrJakeBoyman]

1:30 Well, there have been noumerous articles and also a recent documentary from the same German state media outlet ARD about racism in professional sports in Germany, talking with athletes who very much think that there is problem with racism in the German FA and other German sports organizations. Edit, 1:49 : Rightwing politicians in Germany have often come up with the topic of non-white German football players and still are. The AfD (extreme right party) are actually promoting mass deportations and propagandize the racial and nationalist idea of "a German people", from which they try and exclude non-white Germans. Because of them (and the support for these ideas by a loud minority of the German population, who are open to extreme-right politics and blatant racism), this open racism unfortunately is always part of the debate in Germany surrounding big national football events.

[@Givanpes]

You're a good guy Zealand!

[@Oll1000]

I want my country to win, so I don't really care who's on the field as long as they play with passion and have citizenship.

[@EstariaValens]

My idyllic world would be just me and Emmy Rossum. ;)

[@Maho2109]

Well, the issue here is just, people assuming how one might feel about their own nationality. Tbh even the way Zealand talks about it "You're born in Germany, you speak german, you feel german" that's simply putting words in people's mouths. Some immigrants feel that way, some really don't, and they have the right to. Sometimes they dont feel accepted or integrated in these countries, sometimes they do, and you can't guess that by their appearance or skin color. You would find a wide variety of opinions about France in the french national team I'm sure, but you will NEVER hear it in public media lol, they're not dumb, that could seriously hurt their career. I'm french, I know people of arabic descent that are really proud of being french and french culture, some that reject it and somewhat resent the fact that their grandparents came here. What's true is all of them had to deal with some level of racism in their lives here. Get controlled by police a lot more often, followed in supermarkets because suspected to be a thief, looked at with fear by old ladies that watch too much television etc. And some of them accept it as what it is, some of them decide that they don't feel home here. And I don't think anyone except them can speak on that.

[@Blaze_e7]

they cooked fr 🤯

[@pfortner9699]

Poll: What will happen first? Zealand will organise his room or the FIFA EM starts?

[@Alex727Pasco]

As a white dude raised in Florida and now have been living abroad for a long time and my accent is all over the place people feel like they can tell me where I from and I feel like if you identify as Italian or Italian-American or whatever you get to decide that... Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think anyone or anything gets to decide what you identify as🤔

[@jasirhussain2216]

where do you get all your kits?

[@BasileosAlexios]

Err they could've worded this as "would you prefer to have more ethnically indigenous germans on the team", to which the answer would probably end up as "yes" because of how the question is phrased, if you changed it to "would you prefer to have more non-ethnically indigenous germans on the team" the answer would probably also be Yes, because when people think about a player reaching the national team they already assume they're good enough to get there. Really weird question indeed.

[@bigbadwolf88]

People just don’t want to get along.

[@Sigurd-r5]

I think this might be more to do with fear of the ummah than skin colour.