10 Movie Plot Twists So Subtle You Totally Missed Them

[@Leo139]

Elsa is not being subtle, you can LITERALLY hear her say ‘it would not be made out of gold’ after Donovan dies and Indy is looking for the cup. So the movie telegraphs after Donovan dies that she knew. In fact, as he is drinking EVERYONE in the room knows he’s about to die except Donovan which makes the scene more dark.

[@truthvirus]

You beat me by 15 minutes. I'd also say that if she wanted it for herself, she might have tried to do the same to Indy. When she was dangling, the expression on her face changed and that's when I think the thought of the possibilities took over.

[@nimrodery]

No, she says "might it not be made out of gold?" Which isn't what the transcript says, but it's what my ears have told me since the film came out. It always seemed framed as a question, which is strange considering Elsa's reaction when Donovan drinks.

[@Tanstaafl_74]

@@nimrodery Your ears apparently hate you, because they've been lying to you for years. "He chose poorly." ==they start looking== Elsa: "It would not be made out of gold." Indy: "That's the cup of O'Carpenter" ==looking at different cup== It's on youtube in a doesn't different videos. You can listen to every single one of them with the volume up if you want, it's very clear what she says.

[@cst039]

I thought it was pretty obvious myself.

[@arashimifune2853]

@@cst039 Because it was. You can see it in her face, she gave him the wrong cup on purpose.

[@SyntheticFuture]

Idiocracy is incredibly detailed and consistent in its world building. Even the posters in the background and the advertisements on TV all perfectly fit in with the narrative. I've heard many people dismiss it as a 'dumb' movie but it's actually very cunning.

[@ericlurio246]

that's why it was destroyed. it barely got a theatrical release.

[@mlembrant]

it kinda reflects our society.. which is why it isn't really talked about too much, billionaires are scared they will lose power when people actually wake up :)

[@CommanderLost]

​@@mlembrantpeople will never wake up. Race war 2024.

[@GreatBeeman]

Also, people only wear Crocs

[@tobib.10]

It seems so at first glance, but it's actually pretty inconsistent. Why even bother selling Brawndo to water plants, when there's no one clever enough to understand business tactics and marketing? How could engineers build a monster truck, but not understand it has to go through a door?

[@schwarzerritter5724]

There are people who don't believe Elsa gave Donovan the wrong grail on purpose?

[@enviousgaming3250]

Thats surpriaing its pretty obvious she did She was amirking the entire time and had already betrayed indi It should have been exoected she would betray donovan too

[@nothingisxer0]

I didn’t believe it until I saw the look. Now it’s obvious.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

I mean, maybe people interpret her screaming as Donovan was ageing to death in front of her as surprise, but she was probably screaming, because someone was ageing to death in front of her.

[@peterparkerakaspider]

It's like she gave a wrong answer to the person who didn't know and asked her for it. Making him lose his life in the process.

[@hafirenggayuda]

​@@schwarzerritter5724she know he's gonna die, but didn't expect how. She screams also because Donovan holding her when he's "decaying" horribly

[@BrianHartman]

I think the fact that Hammond spared expense is a lot more explicit than you give it credit for. Legal Eagle goes through the list, but the most obvious things are the appalling lack of backup systems and the way patrons are able to get out of the vehicles at will. It's true that Nedry's low pay is the most obvious sign that Hammond didn't put enough money into the project, but from the first scene, where the first worker got eaten, you can tell how little thought and planning went into the park.

[@LawMasterMike]

I think they were meant to be able to get out of the cars. Why else would there have been a visitor's bathroom right next to the tyrannosaur paddock?

[@AzraelThanatos]

A lot of the things can be explained as oversights...something that the entire movie focused on for things going wrong. Book Hammond is the villain there, movie Hammond is more naive, but expects things to go as expected. The movie setup is that Nedry, essentially, underbid for the project and expected to be able to get more cash after things happened...Novel one had Hammond give inaccurate requirements for the system and then overloaded him while not telling him what he was doing. The movie conversation between Hammond and Nedry comes off, more as the contractor who underbid and isn't happy being held to the contract. Hell, the entire thing with the dilophosaurus spitting venom wasn't something they knew until after someone was blinded by one, same with the raptors being as intelligent as they were...an illusion of control. For the door locks on the vehicles, from the description of things, they rushed things to get the tour available because after the Raptor incident when Jophery was killed, the Investors wanted the immediate view of experts on the incomplete theme park there. There's the list of things that they still need to do for getting the tour ready for guests that's mentioned when they jump out and it cuts back to the control room. And the issue with the backup systems is something cut for time from the movie...there's a mention in the scripts and the making of book about there being a scene during their escape where the power goes back off because of they managed to bring the backup systems online and with the system experts either evacuated earlier for the storm or dead, they didn't know that the backups came on to let them reset the main systems. I can't remember if it was mentioned in the movie or if it was in those books that gave the timeframe of it being between six months to a year between that point and when they expected the park to be ready to open. The Telltale game adds even more to the mix with several other things that were still under construction and things like replacement raptors along with the Herrerasaurus. But even the movie shows that while they rounded up the raptors, they hadn't gotten to go through their former paddock to inspect it since that's where Grant and the kids stumble onto the hatched nest (You can tell due to the distinctive shape of the footprints leading away from it). Nedry also could have easily screwed with the system in a lot more ways during his sabotage. And as a side note, Nedry's decision to try renegotiating the contracts seemed aimed to create more issues due to the timing of it, right when the experts hired to inspect it showed up... With the books, you can blame Hammond, Dogson, and Nedry for just about everything there...but the movies are a very different thing...and a lot of the people there are blaming Hammond because of his novel counterpart combined with him not wanting to pay Nedry more than they'd contracted for Dogson is about the same level of dirtbag in each of them in different ways...especially with the Congo easter egg there that mentions BioSyn and Dogson's viral stunt from the books

[@marcussantiago]

The original novel goes into a lot more detail. They made him design the software for the park but never told him what the park was for, so he was working in the dark. In the book it's mentioned that Hammond even called up Nedry's clients and badmouthed him to try to blacklist him from the industry as a way to strongarm him into fixing all the problems they caused. Don't get me wrong, Nedry's still a villain, but the book shows how Hammond antagonized and bullied him, making him angry enough to decide to sabotage the park. Nedry's plan was to quietly sell the embryos and just get back to work immediately, but he gets lost and killed by dinosaurs, plunging the park into chaos because he was the only guy who could run the systems (more lack of redundancy and safety backups etc). Also the whole idea of "the entire park is run by computers by just a handful of people" was not because it was all high-tech, but because that way Hammond could save lots of money by not hiring tons of people. In the book the system does have backups and redundancies but they were all also automated, so they failed too. It was like a house of cards where one thing failing would cause a cascade effect and everything else would fail too. Hammond also didn't want to give Muldoon a bunch of rocket launchers because the dinosaurs were too expensive to kill, leaving him with just two, which weren't enough. As the meme goes, Jurassic Park wasn't about science going wrong because man meddled with nature and all. The science actually worked fine. It was Hammond's greed and cutting corners to save money that doomed the park.

[@BrianHartman]

@@marcussantiago Right. There were plenty of places where expenses were spared. :)

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@marcussantiago The Novel and Movie versions of characters are vastly different there. You only need to look at Genero and the kids to see big chunks of it. Movie Hammond is not the villain that the novel version is because of Spielberg's changes there

[@loosingsenses]

On Jurassic Park the moment when the main character is about to fly to the island, in the helicopter he notices that his seatbelt is actually two pieces of the same kind, so in order to fix that problem he bruntly ties them together. That is a reference to later dialogue of the film when one of the scientist asks 'Are you saying that a group of solely female dinosaurs can get pregnant?' And the answer being 'Life finds a way'. That was a very subtle catch that my brother brought to my attention

[@illyahrthebard3303]

Fun fact: the belt ends are known as male and female ends. The two that Grant had were both female ends

[@trinelangohr6661]

Any farmer could have told them that chickens often produce viable chicks without males, and there really isn't much of a zoological jump from a bird to a reptile. In fact, some lizard species can do it too. THere's not THAT much of a future in this kind of procreation, because all the young are inevitably female clones of the mother. But it would be enough to populate an island.

[@pgwchaos]

In the book Hammond is pretty much the main antagonist. He also blackmailed Nedry into working (unpaid) overtime. Hammond also ignored the game warden Muldoon, giving him only the bare essentials.

[@jakealter5504]

Where as in the film he’s more misguided but well meaning

[@TastyScotch]

But they spared no expense! 😂

[@factorfitness3713]

​@@TastyScotchThat's what corporate leaders SAY, but they almost always spared some important expense.

[@Joemama55122]

I prefer that it makes more sense he doesnt really make sense as a character in the film I guess its cos Richard Attenborough is so likeable they made him a nice guy instead

[@jakealter5504]

@@factorfitness3713 in this case he could’ve done better with the fences

[@DanielS2001]

For the Jurassic Park film, there was a comic book adaptation by Topps Comics. They did a prequel story that covers this a bit. In fact, in the comic, it revealed that the reason why Nedry underbidded was because Hammond didn't reveal what was in the park to him until after he had accepted Nedry's bid. Nedry himself called Hammond out on it afterwards, saying that if Hammond had been honest with him about what was inside of the park before Nedry had made the bid, Nedry wouldn't have made a bid so low. That means that Hammond didn't just neglect Nedry's requests for what he needed, but flatout conned Nedry into doing the job for such a low price without telling him the full truth about the park.

[@Morboeatspeople]

Pretty much the same as the book, though I believe Hammond also threatens to ruin Nedry if he quit the contract.

[@prestonestes1388]

@@Morboeatspeople Hammond already had by contacting all of the other people that Nedry’s buisness had contracts with because he wasn’t satisfied with Nedry’s work, despite Hammond getting EXACTLY what he asked for, just not what hr needed since he lied and withheld vital intel.

[@Draknfyre]

That was taken from the book, which goes into explicit detail about how Hammond screwed Nedry. Book Hammond was a much more ruthless businessman than his kindly grandfather persona in the film. He not only kept vital information from Nedry about what exactly he would be working on, he explicitly lied about the amount of work it would be. Nedry was led to believe he would basically be doing a final beta test to certify an already-established system. Which is what he bid for. When he actually got there he found out there was NO system whatsoever and he was expected to write one from scratch. He tried to bail not only because that's not what he signed up for but he was getting grossly underpaid for work he should've been making 10X more for. InGen threatened him with a breach of contract lawsuit so he stayed. To add more salt to the wounds he wasn't allowed to inform any of his team back in Cambridge on what he was doing so he couldn't have them assist him other than helping with small, isolated bits of code. So when BioSyn decided to steal InGen's work one angle they thought about was finding a disgruntled employee who would be willing to steal for them. And they found one.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

@@DraknfyreYou would think that Spielberg being such a genius filmmaker would’ve figured out a way to include this in the story to make Hammond and Nedry’s situation make more sense.

[@DanielS2001]

@@JohnFourtyTwoTo be fair, there's a good chance it might have been included in previous drafts of the script but removed in order to streamline the film.

[@mpk1028]

The Elsa double cross was anything but subtle. It was obvious at the time that she was intentionally giving him the wrong cup.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

Yep and I’m surprised this made the video because most people saw this when the movie was originally released, I did and so did countless others.

[@Glmorrs1]

Or she thought she picked the right one and only realized her mistake after Donnovan died. Either is equally plausible and until Spielberg chimes in that’s what I’m going with, she made a mistake and accidentally killed her Nazi boss. Also, she’s a straight up Nazi. A few tears shed at a book burning don’t absolve her from being a fucking Nazi.

[@namesy]

A number of things in here aren’t plot twists! Unless anyone can explain how the courthouse being a mall impacted the plot of BTTF2 and Batman not being in Watchmen affected that plot too. A plot twist is something that turns the story you think you’re watching and turns it on it’s head. Some of these are literally just Easter Eggs Also some of these aren’t subtle. I never even questioned that Elsa ever intended to give Donovan the right cup. The shot moving to her smiling as the effects of the wrong cup take hold aren’t exactly saying “oh no what did I do”. let the right one in… not subtle either. Pointedly part of the plot just not explicitly shown (as described in the book). And not is Shutter Island. It’s just nuanced storytelling but they’re not trying to deceive the audience. It was clear he intentionally went off to get operated on so he didn’t have to live with the guilt of what he did. I mean that’s literally the entire story!

[@nexusdrop7863]

I'd say only MAYBE 3 were subtle aspects that could be missed. The clothing in Idioticy was lore building basically, but I never noticed. Jurassic park ends up showing ALL the mistakes throughout the movie, meaning you get to see how frail everything was in addition to how he treated the workers.

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

To me Shutter Island was him deciding he deserved to be published, thus choosing behaviour that would lead to the lobotomy

[@jdonvance]

You want a simple example of an expense being spared? The directional sign Nedry knocks over had ONE NAIL in it when, for (retroactively) obvious stability's sake should have had at least two.

[@trinaq]

The courthouse becoming a mall is pure genius, I can't believe that I didn't notice it when I was a kid.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

Had the writer known of the demise of malls in the near future he would’ve picked something else for the courthouse, a brothal maybe knowing Biff.

[@theshield2004]

1:49 Elsa also makes the comment “the grail would not be made of gold.” right after picking the gold cup that kills Donovan...

[@Glmorrs1]

Or she came to that realization after Donnovan died. Either situation is equally plausible.

[@Devil-Made]

It’s like these people haven’t even seen the movie. Everyone familiar with this movie noticed this. This channel just likes to bait people for higher participation and comments.

[@TheToonMonkey]

The 'no shit sherlock' award for that last Crusade entry.

[@IsaacKuo]

My favorite subtle twist if from Quantum of Solace - M killed Fields. Plenty of "Bond Girls" end up dying in awful ways, and Miss Fields is one of them. However, she's different in that she's sent to her likely death by M. James Bond has gone rogue, so M is going to Bolivia to take him in. That will take some hours, though, during which time rogue James Bond may go around shooting up an embassy or killing someone inconvenient or ... well, M has good reason to need to slow him down. But how to slow down James Bond? Sending experienced agents after him won't work. James will just ditch them. But pretty innocent desk job Agent Strawberry Fields? M knows James. She knows James will "play" with Fields. "Look at how well your charm works, James. They'll do anything for you, won't they? How many is that now?" _How many is that now?_ M knew! M knew what would most likely happen to inexperienced naive Fields! And she has the gall to upbraid James for it. But here's the kicker - M knows James so well that she knows he's blame himself before even considering the possibility that it was M's fault. James was blinded by his love of Vesper in Casino Royale. James is blinded by his love of M in Quantum of Solace. M sent Fields after James knowing she was not ready; knowing she would likely die. Mommy was very bad. I find this subtle twist an awesome bridge between Casino Royale and Skyfall.

[@KasumiRINA]

Yes, the Judi Dench M character arc is done well in Craig Era. In the books BTW, Bond girls generally do NOT die until Goldfinger (which Quantum references) and then it's Thunderball and OHMSS... Most of girls before have dark and troubled past (like three in a row are boobily blondes who had sex like once before, and unwillingly), but end up well-off. Vesper kills herself because she's a turncoat working for russia as they kept her Polish boyfriend hostage and blackmailed her... But Fleming goes absolute batshit from relatively progressive writer into depths of bigotry after Dr. No. Bond, who was tolerant if untactful before and respected women, goes on tangents comparing Koreans with dogs and mensplaining lesbianism. Anyway, the 90s era tried to play it off as a joke and the new M was "feminist" in Hollywood way calling him a dinosaur while girls for some reason liked it (written by men). Last few 007 films FINALLY write women decently... I think starting with Quantum actually.

[@ryanbauer3680]

And suddenly I like Silva even more(and not just because he's played the always awesome Javier Bardem) and feel he's justified in his actions. Especially if you've heard the theory that he's M's (adoptive?) son. Think On Your Sins = Your SOn isn'T in hk. "What is this if not betrayal? She sent you off to me, knowing you're not ready, knowing you'll likely die. Mommy was very bad."

[@Frink108]

How was it subtle that it was Hammond's fault? Did you miss the entire lunch scene with the lawyer. Malcom basically said it was his fault if something bad were to happen.

[@k29king1]

WhatCulture writers aren’t that bright, and they dont properly vet their scripts before making their videos. They also often have terrible opinions except for maybe Jules. But Josh and Simon are the mist egregious. WhatCulture is trying to do their best IGN impression.

[@Neonsilver13]

Regarding point one, the billboard in the background also mentions a play named "Fledermaus" which is bat in german. Regarding point four, the doctor also calls after him using the name of his delusional persona and he doesn't react to it, another thing that implies that he has not slipped back into the delusion.

[@g3netixmg36]

Jereth "Bowie" was the good guy in Labyrinth. He only wanted to do what she wanted. To live in her imagined world in the Labyrinth. She expected the Goblin King to be frightening so he was. She said the labyrinth was a piece of cake. So he added challenge. The whole movie he is watching her, and making sure she is safe. He wasn't lying when he said he reordered time and turn the world upside-down doing it all for her. Growing exhausted from trying to live up to her expectations of him.

[@nexusdrop7863]

And she STILL was not happy. That was a great movie though.

[@BMakabre]

I love a fan theory I saw, that Jareth was originally like Toby - a younger brother taken by the goblins due to a sister wishing for it. Main reason is he is the only human in that world. In a song number he shows his desire that Toby will become grow up to be Goblin King. Some even say that Jareth could be an alternate version of Toby, who was not rescued by Sarah (a bit of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey) and raised to be Goblin King by 'Jareth' (he told Toby "I'll call you Jareth"). The theory also looks at Jareth's view of Sarah, her journey to save her brother, compared to his past and the abandonment by his own sister. But hey this is a fan theory. just adds spice to repeat viewings.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

@@BMakabre This actually gets confirmed in some of the expanded universe books and manga. No one came for Jareth when he was taken so he was raised by the denizens of the Labyrinth and its surrounding areas

[@joecope9935]

I think it's hilarious that the plot of Idiocracy maintains that running an oil rig, transporting the oil, and processing it into polyester required a lower I.Q. than farming cotton or wool.

[@Khajitxi]

I feel like polyester is easier to automate like how the lawyers are automated in idiocracy. Farming has a bunch of steps where stupidity can break things while applied chemistry is going to always have the same result.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Farming isn't easy, see Africa after they kicked all the farmers. Maintaining certain industries are easy.

[@Khajitxi]

@@AnonymousAnonposter while true, your specific example’s failure is an example of what happens when anything has the people with expertise kicked out and replaced in the middle of doing the job and replaced by people without any training or info on what’s going on.

[@trinelangohr6661]

Yeah. I mean, nobody seems to wear leather either. To make basic leather, you skin an animal and beat its hide into submission with a club (or, alternatively, soak it in piss). I can see people not being able to figure out how to grow, harvest, spin and weave cotton, but I can't see people forget how to make leather.

[@HariSeldon913]

@@AnonymousAnonposter Farmers are historically smarter than doctors. Farmers saw the empirical evidence that water helps crops to grow and used irrigation for a thousand years before the discovery of the Calvin Cycle. In the mid 19th century Dr Semmelweis presented empirical evidence showing that doctors washing their hands between patients led to a large decrease in the spread of disease. They didn't like his (admittedly wrong) explanation of why it worked and resumed killing patients until the invention of the microscope led to the discovery of germs.

[@joeymury458]

Am I the only one who thought (in the movie) that Hammond was probably paying Nedry just fine? Hammond obviously wanted top talent, and would do whatever he needed to get it. Nedry never struck me as an honest working stiff getting screwed over by his employer. I always interpreted Nedry to be pretty scumbag-coded, and that he was just acting out of pure greed. When we see Nedry at the restaurant at the beginning of the movie, he's clearly giddy at the prospect of being paid a dump truck full of cash to steal from his employer. This isn't a guy who is relieved to be finally earning a living wage, this is a guy who is stoked about becoming rich beyond his wildest dreams.

[@karaanixx]

I also always thought Nedry was being paid fine. In the argument over getting more, Hammond says, "I don't blame people for their mistakes, but I do ask that they pay for them" which seemed to me that Nedry did something in his personal life that now requires him to have more money and he is asking Hammond to fund it.

[@hopelesslysexy]

As a programmer, I totally buy that Nedry was hired for job A and then expected to do jobs A-Z. Given that his work is done on site, he was likely expected to work 16 hour days to compensate for what should have been a job for a dozen people. I’ve been there more than a couple times. Lastly, since Dr. Hammond says he spared no expense if there’s one thing we can be sure of, it’s that he was stingy as fuck. When a boss says “my door is always open” they don’t want to be bothered. When they say “I have years of experience with this type of problem,” they have literally no idea what they’re doing. People in upper management positions get there through mastery of perception - politics - not competence. It’s actually more telling of human nature that the charismatic rich guy is believed to be the good guy while the fat angry service person is assumed to be the bad guy. Hammond is absolutely responsible for the deaths of dozens of people, people were dying at the park long before Nedry screwed up - it’s literally the opening scene. Nedry was guilty of theft… so he’s the antagonist and when he dies we’re supposed to think he deserved it? 🤦‍♂️

[@jackwells8107]

The book makes it much more clear, and the movie does give hints that he was being cheap behind the scenes to afford luxury up front. However, the reasoning here makes it sound like Batman was created by his parents, because if his parents just hadn't been rich and worn those darned pearls, they never would have been mugged. In other words, I don't care what Nedry was being paid - he chose criminal activity, did it in a stupid way, and got people killed.

[@LarrySwishamane]

nope. uRiding solo on that one.

[@LKH165]

I totally agree with you. It seemed to me that the IT guy was trying to extort the old man. And nobody else said anything about being underpaid. All the time he was playing the victim. Anyway, underpaid or not, there was no reason for doing what he did. If the job was so bad (I don't think so) he could've just quit.

[@justinsinke2088]

Huh...I didn't think the Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider backstory explanation was meant as some form of misdirection. While she didn't explicitly say "I killed Peter not knowing he was the Lizard", the visual continuity of the scene seemed to make that fairly explicit to me.

[@goazer2]

I mean being the Lizard automatically implies some degree of complicity in the Lizard transformation. Like Andrew Garfield says in No way home he's had to cure the lizard multiple times. Peter Parker in the comics and most other media has had to do the same thing. It's a core aspect of the character that he doesn't want to be the Lizard but doesn't have the strength of character to stop.

[@erick0116]

Im pretty sure that Spiderverse one was common knowledge.

[@Olympusland]

Not even common knowledge, just accepted as truth.

[@a-blivvy-yus]

I'm pretty sure *ALL* of them were common knowledge, this is just a bad video.

[@ClockFink]

It was hard to miss that Nedry felt scorned in the movie, it just wasn’t clear how justified his feelings (let alone actions) were. Even if he hadn’t planned for it to spiral out of control and cost lives like it did, what he was doing involves a callous disregard for the safety and well being of his co-workers (who he should have had a degree of empathy towards as fellow sufferers, if he saw Hammond as the oppressor). The fact that Wayne Knight played him as a deeply unlikable man who was glib and flippant about everything, haunting the survivors with his snide little recordings and such even after his demise, made it equally difficult not to speculate that, just as possible as “Hammond wasn’t paying him what he was worth” that maybe “Nedry is a greedy and selfish egomaniac who would think he deserves more whatever he was paid”. I would have liked the bits from the book clarifying to be included, honestly… while the uncertainty added a degree of interesting ambiguity, Nedry in the film comes off as a total POS that effectively costs countless lives across the franchise for a reasons that seem so mundane and petty it seems almost surreal… That said, maybe THAT was the idea too, I guess. The cause was meant to feel arbitrary because it ultimately could have been anything, a token and interchangeable mere expression of “life finds a way”

[@Toledotourbillion]

My gosh just realised people might consider using A.I for jury duty in the future and that gave me chills.

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

Kids are already doing it for their homework... ChatGPT is everywhere, and it gets dumber all the time (probably because more and more of what it feeds on is written by itself, allowing the flaws to procreate

[@Jason-33W]

The Elsa double cross I thought, even as a kid, was just obvious.

[@AndiGravity]

Yeah. I wondered at the time why, after using volunteers for every other test up to that point (in order to avoid having to face the danger himself), he just threw caution to the wind and took a drink without having a volunteer test the Grail to see if it was the real one. I mean, isn't that why he shot Henry in the first place? So Indy would go, get the real thing, and bring it back to him there where Henry was and prove it was the Grail by using it to heal his father?

[@taylorsriorancho]

Literally almost none of these were subtle or missed by anyone

[@Olympusland]

Yeah

[@_WillCAD_]

I've never seen Idiocracy, so I'm curious... If everyone forgot how to farm, where does all the food come from? If everyone forgot how to farm, how did anyone remember the incredibly complex processes needed to extract petroleum from the ground and refine it into finished products like polyester and then sew it into finished garments?

[@thomasdegroat6039]

Humans forgot how to farm but remembered how to refine petroleum into plastic?

[@Rob-Raz]

I would just like to point out how disturbing it is that the people in this country are insisting on turning Idiocracy into a documentary.

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

You mean that they are taking it as an example?

[@Fluffykeith]

10 movie twists that anyone will have noticed if they were paying any attention to the films while watching....the Jurassic Park one is so blatant that there is NO WAY anyone could miss it.

[@dhenderson1810]

Was Nedry being underpaid or was he simply greedy?

[@Fluffykeith]

@@dhenderson1810 Both. Nedry gave a low bid for the job, probably without being told exactly what sort of park it was, and when the amount of work involved got out of control (because Hammond wanted as much automation as possible), Hammond blamed him for it and wouldn’t pay him for the extra work. He also would have been tied into the contract and unable to get any other work to make up for it. So Nedry got angry and greedy enough to agree to steal the embryos for BioSyn. Hammonds cost avoidance is responsible for just about every weakness in the park, so when things go wrong, they do so spectacularly. Electric cars powered by fixed tracks....that don’t have locks on the doors? All the main fences powered by a single system? Minimal staff? The buck stops with Hammond.

[@Lizzie_3000]

Yeah I thought Nedry was being Greedy hence his line to Dogeson "Dont get cheap on me, that was Hammonds mistake"

[@dhenderson1810]

@@Lizzie_3000 I can't trust Nedry watching him now, because he is slimy like Newman. Hammond should clench his fist and say "Nedry".

[@Lizzie_3000]

@@dhenderson1810 oh yeah for sure. I'm not sure why Hammond Trusted him cos the red flags where there

[@williamslater-vf5ym]

So they dont know how to farm, but producing fabric from oil is no problem. Okay.

[@runamerone5492]

These are so clearly obvious, none of them are 'so subtle we totally missed them;

[@matthewl1049]

The Shutter Island plot twist wasn’t subtle and people totally missed it, WTF? Even him saying “better to die as a man then live as monster” was a huge hint! You would have to be dumb not to have realized!

[@robwest5457]

Guys, no one on the planet was unaware Elsa deliberately picked the wrong grail cup. She even says after it would not be made of gold to Indy. Get real, you aren’t breaking any ground with your “trivia”. If you are gonna make videos just for clicks and put this sort of lack of effort in, I’m out and I’m sure others will be too.

[@briangressett902]

Some of these were obvious from first watching. Elsa in Indy and Peter being the Lizard in the Spiderverse.

[@Sylvestro]

The Indiana Jones one is not subtle at all, we all got it as kids. It's intentionally made super obvious by acting, directing and editing. And it is the kind of movie that doesn't need subtlety either.

[@jbrisby]

If you think farming takes brains, try chemistry.

[@PearlTheSpinster]

My favorite debate is Shutter Island

[@davep8366]

I have always thought this for years about Jurassic Park I wondered if anybody picked up on the fact that Ian Malcom the "chaotition" who was sent there by the insurance company... To troubleshoot situations like the programmer not being paid enough could cause something like that to happen... I think even a broader concept that was overlooked is that Ian even in subsequent movies was opposed to this because humans should not have God like power because of their corruption and fallibility... Which is reinforced by John's "spare no expense" and the issues that arrive because he did not think that was important... Hence something the chaotition was sent for

[@ElizabethT45]

Okay, #1 made me sit up in my chair because I love 'Idiocracy' but despite the whole 'getting crops to grow' plotline, I forgot about cotton. Nice job!

[@Michael-sz7lp]

This is false. Elsa didn't know what she was doing and only after randomly selecting the wrong cup did she "realize" that it wouldn't be made of gold. You're giving her way too much credit.

[@HeatherNickless-vt8zr]

Nedry's Nephew had been the monkey wrench that ruined Jurassic World; It was explained in Lego Jurassic World; I know most people automatically dismiss it as non-cannon to the movies; but it is actually as much cannon to the movie franchise as was the Camp Cretaceous series(Despite of Dr. Grant and Malcolm not being present in the Jurassic World Movie), you see, all of Lego Jurassic world events takes place a year and a half before the events of Jurassic World 1, and Camp Cretaceous takes place in the duration and following of the first Jurassic World movie as well.

[@erictaylor5462]

7:10 Ellie actually is a monster. Though she looks like a 12 year old she is not 12 years old. The older man with her, the one everyone assumes is her father is what Oskar will become in 30 or 40 years. Ellie is extremely intelligent and highly sophisticated. She has the life experience of an elderly adult. She chose Oskar as her protector to replace the protector who was caught by the police. She chose him because he was alone and bullied. He was the perfect victim for a child predator. People who think the old guy is a pedophile are wrong. He had been with Ellie since he was about 12 himself, and while he grew up Ellie did not. Oskar's fate is extremely dark. He will be forced into murdering people for her. Eventually Oskar will spend the rest of his life serving her until eventually he gets caught by the police. Assuming he is good at murdering people and getting away with it in 40 years (around now in fact) Oskar will be the old man, watching as Ellie finds her new protector. This movie is extremely horrifying. I would have no qualms at all with driving a wooden steak through Ellie's heart.

[@donharris8371]

Just remember that in the novelette that came out after Let the Right One In, Oskar is shown to have become a vampire himself after 2-3 years, and the couple appear to be good friends, hunting together across Europe (if you gaven't read it, sorry for not giving a spoiler waning; my Bad)

[@AndiGravity]

Hey, did anyone else notice that other subtle Indiana Jones plot twist where it turned out to be a bad idea to open the Ark?

[@crabbieappleton]

I'm also surprised they forgot the awesome plot twist in "Gone With the Wind" when it turns out Rhett didn't give a damn (frankly) THE WHOLE TIME!!!

[@Kicia84]

What the F is going on with the bots in the replies?

[@mattheweagles5123]

So according to the Idiocracy world everyone has forgotten how to grow cotton but the process of drilling for oil, refining oil into petroleum, the chemical process that turns that into polyester and finally weaving the plastic into clothes. People can still do that. OK.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

See certain Africa nations after they kicked the farmers. People don't understand that agriculture is harder than it seems.

[@mattheweagles5123]

@@AnonymousAnonposter harder than than the fractionally distillation of oil?

[@odin1469]

Being unhappy with your employer for low pay does not excuse corporate espionage(felony). That's when you take your exceptional skills elsewhere, and leave him freaking out trying to replace you.

[@adamb89]

Did not like Episode 7 but the lightsaber foreshadowing was nicely done. I caught that too when I saw it, because the way his lightsaber remained in the center of the shot, perfectly spinning, made it clear that shot was done on purpose. And then he starts rotating Rey's lightsaber with the Force, and I was like "Ah, I know where he got that idea."

[@hendrixlynch5918]

No one with vision watching The Watchmen missed Owl saving Bruce Wayne’s parents.

[@Cline3911]

Idiocracy was a comedy. Its now a documentary.

[@crabbieappleton]

I see we're not familiar with what a "plot twist" is.

[@Olympusland]

Who here DIDN’T think that Peter turned himself into the lizard in across the spider verse?

[@ICantThinkOfANameB]

Don't think a lot of these were subtle. More like, "Twists that Viewers Needed a Second Look"

[@JPIbanez84]

Lousy start. Nite Owl preventing the creation of Batman is pure bs. Yes, the location is Gotham Opera House but there are literally Batman posters right next to it and someone that appears to be holding a video camera getting the whole thing. Any possibility that Batman is a comic book character in this Watchmen universe and Nite Owl is just playing a role, for example? Also, you don't need to be a genius to figure out Elsa gave the wrong cup to Schneider. And so on...

[@DugganSC]

Of course, in *Idiocracy* they also all wore Crocs, in part because, again, all plastic, but also because the people making the film saw the up and coming "shoes" and thought they were an obvious choice for "only idiots would wear these". :-D

[@asaadbobby1]

Subtle? Most were apparent

[@keithyork8226]

But the skill and scientific knowledge required to produce polyester is far greater than that required to grow cotton!! 🤔

[@skilletman16]

You said we missed them, but I caught most of these when I saw them. Thanks, though.

[@TheVampireAzriel]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Gwen Stacy isn't SpiderWoman. She's SpiderGwen.

[@ladyyananumber1200]

You would be correct.

[@premiumacc5192]

Watched the first 3 so far and none of them are "plot twists"

[@premiumacc5192]

Only 2 actual plot twists in the entire list

[@mattwilkinson5858]

Plus in shutter island, if Andrew had slipped back into his teddy persona there is no way he would willingly walk with the orderly’s

[@M0RGAT0RY]

I knew that it was Peter in Into the Spider Verse, even argued about it with a bunch of friends 😂😂😂

[@BarbaricAvatar]

More appropriate title: "10 plot twists regular intelligent people totally got, but we were too stupid to figure out on our own"

[@mgfan81]

"Never start with the head! Everything gets all fuzzy." Joker says that to Batman in the famous "Dark Knight" interrogation scene. Joker ended up getting the addresses confused for Harvey & Rachel when Batman slams Joker's head on the table.

[@eriksiegrist1094]

He deliberately switched the addresses. It wasn't an accident

[@joeschembrie9450]

The most unexpected murder mystery plot twist ever was in Steve Martin's The Man With Two Brains. However, it only makes sense to people over the age of sixty. Otherwise you wonder who the heck is that guy.

[@paulwoida8249]

The original Night Owl didn't save the Waynes because the family had gone to the cinema to see a Zorro movie, not the opera.

[@chrisjames3204]

'Elsa deliberately chose the wrong cup' YEAH, NO SHIT! 🤣

[@TheWorldOfLeinster]

Oh my god! Are you telling me the man responsible for Jurassic Park was the man responsible for Jurassic Park?! I’ve been fooled this whole time!

[@AdamDMurray]

How could have Night Owl prevented the creation of Batman when there are literally posters of Batman behind him?

[@cannonfodder4990]

The first one wasn't a prevention of bruce wayne becoming batman. You literally see Batman posters on the walls. If this was a prevention, it would create a paradox.

[@cmike123]

I actually agree with WhatCulture on this one. The Batman posters make you think of Batman, which makes the rest of the tableau click. While it would create a paradox if this was somehow real life, it does not create a paradox if it's just visual short-hand.

[@Torgo-and-the-Lucifer-Cat]

Wait, if those are bruce waynes parents, where's bruce?? And how could there be a batman poster there?? This one sounds like stretching a bit.

[@nimrodery]

It's a Batman poster. Not something Batman would have been around to paste up at the time, and why would he?

[@davidwiley4953]

It's contradictive because it was made by a shitty director.

[@KaminoNeko]

Yeah, that bit was a none-too-subtle nod to Batman, but it is not an explanation as to why this universe has no Batman (and no such explanation is needed - even if you make the assumption that every universe in the DC Multiverse must have a Batman, this one already does - Dan Dreiberg...he just uses a different name, which is not-uncommon for even explicit counterparts). Also, this scene is set a good 10 years too early for Batman to be a contemporary of the second generation of crime fighters, which would make inserting him pointless to begin with.

[@myragroenewegen5426]

Love that Jurassic Park Twist. The movie's often presented as yet another cautionary tale about playing God with science, and it is. But it's interesting to see that it's events can also be read specifically to address the problems of class and corporate power. It's easy to understand this character who's too poor to lose weight easily and has this underappreciated sedentary job. The emphasis here is on sparing no expense for the consumer experience at the expense of exploiting workers and cutting corners behind the scenes. Job safety and employment ethics issues, however, easily become much bigger issues, when people are overstretch, overstressed, underpaid and not loyal to bosses that show an underlying wiliness to take advantage of them wherever possible. Theme parks are such symbols of the artificial corporate show. I like the thought that so much of this is a whimsical monster movie about the dangers of commercial private free enterprise gaining the reigns of science and then having the same blind spots about public good that we're used to seeing it have.

[@TheLionsDen72]

Qwen Stacey, aka Spider Qwen is the one who is in into the spider verse here. Jessica Drew, aka SpiderWoman is a different superhero. They have different skill sets and way different personas.

[@ClaudiaS_]

I’m pretty sure everyone caught Nightowl saving the Waynes on first viewing.

[@cmike123]

I actually didnt think of the Watchmen franchise as having anything to do with the DC universe. So, anything to tie to another comic series flew past me.

[@jackbaxter2223]

The Last Jedi made it so obvious what was about to happen it was like they were hammering it in with a giant sledgehammer. Snoke's 'oddly specific yet needlessly vague description' of what was happening made it painfully obvious that Kylo Ren was going to kill him. That whole bit of dialogue was just so clumsy and ham-fisted.

[@malowkey_weird2054]

The gwen one was always clear....

[@Olympusland]

I’m shocked it was layer out here as a hidden plot point, when I watched it, I just assumed that was the truth because it seemed like the intention of the scene.

[@TheTeejay00]

Same. I'm pretty dense but thats how I always understood the scene

[@Olympusland]

@@TheTeejay00 yeah it wasn’t a plot twist, and it wasn’t subtle either. No one missed it.

[@asteriondeltoro124]

Here's a good one: in the classic caper movie "The Sting", protagonist Hooker is taken by the same type of con that the crew uses to nail Lonnigan. Early on, after making thousands grifting a mob courier, Hooker takes his money to an underground roulette game looking to double it. He knows the wheel is rigged and is in league with the croupier, so he's shocked when the croupier betrays him and makes him lose- allegedly because the croupier would be in trouble with his boss if he lost on such a big bet. The movie never makes it explicit, but Hooker has just been conned. At the end of the movie, the con against Lonnigan goes down in the same manner- an inside man helping the mark cheat, only for the cheat to fail and the mark leave believing he has nothing to blame but his own stupidity. It's a sign of how, despite Luther's high opinion, Hooker at the beginning of the movie is still too green and immature to be a truly great grifter. Another one, same movie: Gondorf is hungover when Hooker first meets him because he's mourning Luther's death. The scene seems to be setting up Gondorf as an alcoholic, but this never comes up again, and Gondorf is the consummate professional once the con is on. On rewatch it's obvious that he got soused after hearing about his old friend Luther's murder- the very thing that brought him and Hooker together.

[@koboldsage9112]

Rejection of scope creep is more common these days, and the dirty pool hammond was playing with nedry absolutely could not fly now, not even on a private island. Honestly, having such a small programming department and treating them so poorly was begging for mutiny, and there are plenty of more technical ways nedry could have screwed over hammond with a lot less effort, nedry was just going for the big corporate espionage payout.

[@drake.707]

The craziest plot twist was that after the first three Star Wars movies none of them were good.

[@caramon95]

I was familiar with number 10, Number 9 is very cleverly hidden

[@honestlymars]

The Snoke hidden detail isn't exactly hidden; it's part of the main thread of logic in that scene. Not exactly easy to miss when it gets its own obvious moment. Edit: The Back to the Future detail isn't "hidden", either, nor is it much of a twist for the plot. Don't forget, in order to count as "twists", they have to be set up with a red herring to build expectations that are then subverted. There's no subversion about the fact that there are no lawyers in BTTF's 2015 future because it was never suggested that there would definitely be lawyers in 2015. In fact, the movie plays a lot with this added detail. This one is also a reach.

[@DanielS2001]

I agree about the courthouse building. By the way it looks in the first film, the courthouse building isn't even a courthouse in 1985 either, going by the text just below the clock.

[@grendel824]

That is not what a "red herring" is.

[@honestlymars]

@@grendel824 What's a red herring, then? Define it without Googling, I'll know if you do.

[@baconair]

"Plot twists"

[@kevintrjohnson]

At the end of the original Spider-verse, when Miles has get up to the collider to insert the goober, he basically gets up there the same way his universe's Spiderman did back near the beginning of the movie. Hobo Spiderman and Gwen even comment on not having taught him how to do that. It's not an exact copy, but it has enough similarities that it has to have been on purpose. I've always found it a nice callback to the Spidrman who sacrificed himself, which is almost what Miles had to do to save the others.

[@markalexander3659]

If you've read the BOOK of Let the Right One In, it's obvious that Eli is a castrated boy, not a girl* but if I hadn't read it, I probably would have missed that in the movie. Most people seem to think when she says "I'm not a girl" that she means she's a vampire *involuntarily castrated

[@uiscepreston]

Also the bald guy in the button-down oxford @2:32 is Ralphie from A Christmas Story and A Christmas Story Christmas.

[@WillTyler-ks9ck]

The Batman one is completely wrong. Anyone who knows the origin story knows Bruce and his parents were coming home from the movie theater where they watched The Mark of Zorro. They weren’t at the Gotham Opera House and there wasn’t even a kid in that screen shot to have seen his parents murdered without the save!

[@HankMeyer]

Hammond didn't cause the issues on Jurassic Park. Nedry did. Nedry clearly states "...what I bid for this job." Nedry offered to do the job for the salary Hammond paid him in order to outbid competitors. He's the cause, and by blaming Hammond, you're blaming the victim.

[@Trikormadeinadon]

The one about Jurassic Park is wrong. In the book, you're right, there should have been a new deal when the job changed. But if you go by the movie it was a straight up contract, no breach. Hammond held him to his offer as he should, and Nedry caused people to die. Hammond has zero blame for Nedry's actions in the movie.

[@indridcold8433]

In the motion picture, Armageddon, Chick Newman was divorced and was not really allowed to see his son without supervision from the court. He gave a small shuttle to his wife to give to his son and left. Earlier, in the movie, it was found out he was addicted to gambling. This is likely why he was divorced and his wife got soul custody of their son and got the house. His gambling addiction caused him to lose everything. This is likely why he was on an offshore oil drilling rig. It was to keep him from gambling all the time. He did this in order to support his exwife and his son.

[@texashookem22]

Here’s a plot twist: I spent 10 minutes of my life expecting subtle plot twists, while all I got was barely ironical reaches designed for click grabs. Waste of time.

[@user-lb9xw4xf2q]

I know others have noted it already, but it cannot be stressed how Elsa giving Donovan was not a twist. Perhaps it was a surprise to the audience when it happened, but context clues are there, not to mention dialogue immediately after the rapid aging that showed she did it on purpose.

[@Wolfen443]

I do not see them as hidden plot twists but part of the chain reaction of the plot.

[@StormageddonDLofA]

None of these qualify as plot twists. They are just subtle bits of writing that help build the world and the narrative.

[@Solus3D]

JP have the most realistic IT guy of all times.

[@TheNedH]

There's no Bruce Wayne in that shot with the rich couple being saved, also, there are other bystanders; so it's not really too much like the murder of the Waynes. Also, Batman clearly exists as a fictional character in the alternate-universe of the Watchmen, as evidenced by the multiple posters advertising Batman #1 on the wall in the very same shot. The moment is not meant to show why there is no Batman, it's meant to show that Night Owl IS more or less that universe's version of Batman (although he's also based on Blue Beetle).

[@drake.707]

It also has said that Dennis from Jurassic Park was also not good with his money so there's no definitive explanation of whether or not he was getting enough money.

[@omenaccipio]

Actually Hammond's mistake was not to spare expense on Nedry but to hire a corrupt IT manager in the first place...

[@jaybeeo1530]

The 1 thing that always trips me up about shutter island is the opening scence on the boat. Where were they coming from?

[@cmike123]

They didnt have to make a castrated vampire a twist. Just having a castrated vampire is a pretty fresh story beat. Also, Peter Parker becoming the Lizard was not subtle. Glen just called him " a loved one", but if I'm not mistaken she called his name when he died.

[@mikeguilmette776]

Honestly, to assume some of these "twists" were intentional is giving the writers too much credit.

[@brucelucasjr5856]

ELECTROLYTES! It's what plants CRAVE!!!!!!!!!