Little known Top Gun fact: The actor from the Top Gun beach volleyball scene is the same guy who played Wilson in Castaway
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
What range!
@TopDedCenter12 жыл бұрын
LOL nice one
@ananda_miaoyin2 жыл бұрын
That was actually Wilson's father. Wilson's professional career debut was in Castaway.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
@@ananda_miaoyin So it’s a dynasty then? I’ve actually seen him in NY without make up. You wouldn’t know him if you passed by him in a sporting goods store. What a chameleon!
@ananda_miaoyin2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisSoto-ho5fw Totally. Weird family too. Some did really well and hang out at the Playboy Mansion, others are beach bums. Some are even pedos knocking around the high schools of America. The Spaldings are MUCH worse though!
@cronosx61742 жыл бұрын
I was 12 years old when the 'Top Gun" movie was released, and none of us understood anything about the technicalities, vocabulary and didn't care either. The excitement about the movie was the attraction, and it wasn't about how genuine it looked. Now, I'm 48 years old and I still don't care if there were mistakes in the movie or not; I still think it's a good story line.
@kimbarbeaureads2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I was about 7 and I didn't and don't care either. It was cool and Iceman was dreamy. Lol
@tiffanylockett59502 жыл бұрын
Right!!!
@debbieyoung22912 жыл бұрын
I was 23-24, depending on when it was actually made/release….and I still don’t care how accurate anything is or if it has perfect continuity….Tom cruise and Val Kilmer were and are still awesome actors and not bad to drool over too 🥰
@asmith95542 жыл бұрын
It's about two gay guys flirting
@bryang54122 жыл бұрын
Top Gun made Iron Eagle popular! 😂
@thunderpriest74182 жыл бұрын
Things this video somehow missed: 1. The term going ballistic was not in reference to speed....it was referring to the sudden climb performed by the A-4 and then the F-14. The trajectory of the aircraft, not their speed was the issue. 2. The program at Top Gun is not dedicated just to using guns. The program teaches air combat maneuvering. It is far more complex, ie teaching the differences between a maneuvering fight vs an energy fight. It stresses putting your aircraft in the best possible position for a kill during an engagement, whether that be by guns or missiles. 3. When the Tomcat is shown engaging afterburners and a large cloud of smoke appears behind the aircraft, this is done by dumping fuel. When the Tomcat lights it's afterburners, they do not smoke like this. As a matter of fact, it is prohibited to use afterburners in the F-14 while dumping fuel. It is just a nice visual for the audience. 4. Product placement. When the base commander storms out of the office and runs into the coffee tray.....the man holding the tray tips it up briefly to show the Pepsi logo on it. Yeah...I had to pause the video in my VCR as a kid to make sure that I had seen it. It is an obvious move to flash the logo. 5. The classified briefing in a hangar? Yeah, that would never happen. 6. Charlie critiquing Maverick's ACM would not happen. She is an analyst, not an instructor....all of whom are pilots. 7. When the alert fighters are needed to assist...they are ordered to be launched from catapults 3 & 4....which both manage to break. So, no aircraft can be launched until they are fixed. What happened to catapults 1 & 2? 8. The HUD symbology used does not look like F-14 symbology. You also don't see color pippers in use.....and the gun pipper is not displayed when a missile is selected. I know...nitpicky. 9. When Iceman's F-14 is hit by gunfire...you see the bullets impact around the "Rescue" arrow that is painted on the forward fuselage, below the pilot. Somehow...this damages the engine? 10. When Iceman's F-14 is hit a second time....it is the exact same location. 11. When Maverick launches a missile at one of the Migs....it starts out as an AIM-7 Sparrow and then becomes and AIM-9 Sidewinder. Neat. There are plenty more errors.....but who cares, really. Top Gun was aircraft porn....and still one of the very best at that.
@gonuts4donuts2 жыл бұрын
When Maverick launches and Cats 3&4 are miraculously broken, the shot of the Carrier when Maverick is airborne and does his aileron roll shows Cats 1&2 blocked with parked aircraft which would have taken more time to clear than fixing the broken catapults. It's never explained, but shown if keen-eyed viewers catch it.
@thunderpriest74182 жыл бұрын
@@gonuts4donuts Really closely looking at the carrier in that shot also shows that there are no fighters hooked up to Cats 3 and 4 at all. Furthermore, those aircraft are completely blocking Cats 1 and 2, so there is no way that Mavericks F-14 just launched. That Tomcat overflew the carrier and did the aileron roll. A freshly launched Tomcat wouldn't have the airspeed required for the aileron roll right after launching from the cat anyway.
@thissailorja2 жыл бұрын
That Petty Officer First Class carrying coffee. Maybe. It takes 12 years to make E6 from E-1 or 10 from E3 at minimum. So that PO1 should be 28 or older. Most officers are not going to make a PO1 carry a tray of coffee. Maybe a 3rd or an AN, but not a 1st unless he is a screw up. Also, that Capt just knocked that man over and was still screaming about the flyby?
@elymayer48602 жыл бұрын
@@thissailorja well, I don’t remember the rating for the petty officer in the movie. But in the 80s Navy had a program for several of their aviation related ratings where you went right from A-School to C-School, and you went to the fleet as an E4. Three years time in rate for each step, it’s possible to make E6 six in under seven
@Kraken99112 жыл бұрын
@@elymayer4860 When I was in (07-13') there were studs that made chief in 7. It was absurd meeting a 25 year old Chief.
@Brandon84J Жыл бұрын
I was born in 1984, and Top Gun is still my favorite action movie of all time. My dad was a massive fan, and in the 90s, when the big screens and surround sound became a huge thing, the first movie we watched was Top Gun... sounded like a jet flew through our living room, and I'll never, ever forget those days. I was young, and technology was just becoming big..... I love that movie so much
@dongquixote71382 жыл бұрын
"Let me tell you about some things that Top Gun got wrong, which I will also be wrong about." On "ballistic": I don't recall them stating that "ballistic" means flying at max speed, but the brevity word for that is "buster" (which is used in the movie), not "envelope." Doing so may be referred to as "pushing the envelope," which itself references the aircraft's performance envelope. Just because they went to TOPGUN to, in part, learn how to dogfight better with their cannon, doesn't mean they have to then use it in actual combat at their first opportunity. The guns on modern fighters can only shoot for a few seconds before they're out of ammo. Naval aviators are sailors, not soldiers. The fight at the end of the movie wouldn't be a "declaration of war," which only Congress can make. "Act of war" would be more appropriate. Pushing the throttle up for a "full climb" isn't necessarily the "opposite of slowing down." You'd probably want to throttle up so you don't bleed off so much energy in the climb, and energy management is a huge part of aerobatics. This maneuver drastically reduced the horizontal component of Maverick's vector, allowing him to get on the enemy's tail after the enemy blew by him. A "bandit" isn't a non-friendly air contact, it's an enemy air contact. There's a significant difference. And a "skunk" is an unidentified SURFACE contact.
@lesburel61062 жыл бұрын
Ballistic path: gravity's rainbow. Thomas Pynchon. Then look up ICBM. The popular use of the word moves its definition away from its original origins concerning a ballistic path. in sports baseballs, footballs, etc follow a ballistic path. Archers in ancient warfare let loose their arrows to follow ballistic paths.Those paths are shaped by earth's gravity against the velocity of the projectile.
@Dude408f2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. A question: an F-14 can do the cobra? for real?
@dongquixote71382 жыл бұрын
@@Dude408f I wouldn't know. The googles and wikipedia don't say that it can. Plus it probably wasn't designed to have that kind of maneuverability, since it was made to run down and smoke commies with missiles from a distance. It doesn't look to me that what Maverick does is a true cobra maneuver anyway due to the altitude he appears to gain, but there probably isn't a specific cutoff for how much altitude you can or can't gain while still calling it a cobra.
@Atlessa2 жыл бұрын
@@Dude408f No. At least nowhere near as well as the Flanker.
@johnosbourn43122 жыл бұрын
@@Dude408f I'm not sure that it could do the Cobra.
@ericalvarez14622 жыл бұрын
I got to ride with stunt pilot Art Scholl in the late 70s. I was a DJ in Riverside, CA and he was using local media to promote an air show near his flight school in Rialto, CA. He took me up in his De Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk. We spent five minutes above the airport doing every kind of stunt possible. Had a ball. Great guy and a great pilot. I was shocked to see his name at the end of the Top Gun credits. RIP.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
What an honor! Art Scholl was one of the reasons I became interested in airplanes.
@flybobbie14492 жыл бұрын
Think he spun in filming a spinning scene over the sea,. I can tell you not a nice place to be in an aircraft reluctant to recover from a spin.
@tommycham79202 жыл бұрын
He did the stunts in the 1st Iron Eagle movie too.
@debbieyoung22912 жыл бұрын
Totally cool experience for you
@Elbowsmum Жыл бұрын
Wowzers. He sounds like a great guy. So sad he was lost doing something he clearly loved so much
@bryannelson61392 жыл бұрын
What makes movies fun is the “suspension of disbelief.” I appreciate the accuracy checks, but most of us didn’t consider this a documentary or history. Just a fun movie.
@lynnmahan1542 жыл бұрын
Well said
@xDoGoR2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Just a fun movie, specially when you are 11 years old and it’s 1986, I am 47 now and Top gun is still the best movie I’ve seen. Miss you Goose!
@tiffanylockett59502 жыл бұрын
Right! Sometimes I absolutely _HATE_ KZbin (and KZbinrs)!!! It's called using a Creative License! Why do they believe we want so much accuracy within what is also called "Movie Magic"! We KNOW the majority of it is fake! A movie's *JOB* is to make it look Real! And for this guy to use the major release of the New Top Gun movie to gain his views, since we don't know in advance that it's going to ruin the spirit of the movie and all of the nostalgia [as well as the buildup for the new release], is just exactly why I despise this generation! DE...SPISE.
@elainenilsson54722 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Snay19982 жыл бұрын
@@xDoGoR I am 24 and I watched this movie by downloading it when I was a kid lol Still my favourite movie I have watched it like 10-15 times by now still The sound track and the cool scenes always makes me come back
@thisguy79462 жыл бұрын
One additional fact - The guy with the sunglasses and mustache standing behind Tom Cruise at the graduation ceremony is LCDR Heatley. He was part of the F-14 flight crew in the movie and wrote a book called The Cutting Edge, about fighters. I only know this because my CO was his brother and, when I heard CO's last name, I asked him if he was in the movie (I remembered the last name from the credits). He then told me about said brother and showed me the book, which I now have a copy of.
@nocalsteve2 жыл бұрын
He was also one of the pilots singing to Charlie in the O-club among others.
@repentandbelieveinjesuschr62592 жыл бұрын
Repent to Jesus Christ “Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” James 4:7 NIV h
@katherineberger63292 жыл бұрын
Also, "Scooter" Altman was Tom's pilot double, and also an astronaut who went up four times on the Space Shuttle.
@aggiejet2 жыл бұрын
I have the book. It’s an outstanding coffee table book.
@johnosbourn43122 жыл бұрын
I too have a copy of Heater's book.
@glennchambers22202 жыл бұрын
The inverted dive / middle finger is possible and happened in Vietnam, executed by F-4 Phantom legend Duke Cunningham and his RIO Willy Driscoll. Certainly not at the range depicted in the movie but… close enough to send the message.
@debbyspencer2330 Жыл бұрын
I think the range shown is exactly why they say it was impossible.
@johnbarney57872 жыл бұрын
I was a US Marine in the aviation field when Top Gun came out We saw all the flaws but went to see ur like 6 times. Another thing the Navy was pissed about was Tom Cruise riding a motorcycle without a helmet or orange vest. Both mandatory at that time
@FIREBRAND382 жыл бұрын
3:17 Stop calling them Soldiers! Soldiers are members of the Army. Soldiers don't fly fighter jets! The Navy has Sailors. Also, like most civilians watching the movie, TOPGUN isn't simply a dogfighting/aerial combat school but rather a program to teach tactics and techniques to selected Naval aviators so they can return to their ships and serve as air combat instructors to the other pilots.
@wcate83012 жыл бұрын
This video has more errors in it than the movie has. Pot calling the kettle black. Its perpetrator doesn't understand a cobra maneuver and that it truly is "slamming on the brakes" in the context of ACM, even though it's captured onscreen in the brief clip he displays. Alright, that wasn't a true cobra, but you get the point.
@irrelevant_noob2 жыл бұрын
@@wcate8301 for a layman like myself... wouldn't "slamming on the brakes" mean NOT going to full throttle while pitching up for the climb?
@whoknows86782 жыл бұрын
Well, the guy's a Euro-wank, so...
@shawnsummers99102 жыл бұрын
The Navy has Navel Aviators.
@susanherrmann29382 жыл бұрын
Here, here. Another often misused word in Navy shows is medic. The Navy has Corpsmen, not medics! Former HM2.
@DB-li8yb2 жыл бұрын
The thing that made me shake my head was Jester evading Maverick by going below the "hard deck." The hard deck simulates the ground. So Jester's plan to avoid losing the dogfight to Maverick & Goose was to deliberately crash into the ground. Then Maverick also crashes his plane into the ground chasing Jester. Still love the movie.
@billdude15642 жыл бұрын
Jester admits he cheated to Viper in his office. Viper: “He got you, didn’t he? Jester : “yeah”
@rodneyking41832 жыл бұрын
No, they were instructed that the "hard deck" was 10,000 feet and there would be no engagement below that level. That means if someone goes below that you are not allowed to "shoot" them. It's a safety zone. Go watch the movie again.
@mujahidamin85042 жыл бұрын
The hard deck for this operation WAS 10,000 feet not the ground. Duh!
@rossdillon172 жыл бұрын
Except that several scenes prior to that has them flying between assorted mountain peaks. There are no mountains above 10,000 ft in the San Diego area...not even close. Plus, Jester claims that he called "No Joy" (meaning he lost sight of the other aircraft and requires the "fight" to be suspended)...that call is not in the movie. I suspect it was edited out and then forgotten when the after action conversation was filmed (or as is often the case, they were filmed out of order)
@gjaram2 жыл бұрын
@@rossdillon17 - I believe that's because those scenes were filmed at the location where the NAS (Naval Air Station) for Top Gun is now located....Fallon, Northern Nevada. Definitely mountains up there. So these scenes were in Fallon. I worked up in Carson City, Nevada and driving up from Phoenix, I had seen highway signs to NAS Fallon.
@jamestravenetti79702 жыл бұрын
I was stationed at Miramar n.a.s. when this film was made. As an ejection seat mechanic, I noticed an anomaly in the film. If you slow down the ejection sequence when goose ejects, you can see a small brass object in the smoke. This is called a star wheel. It is used to open the top latch mechanism when removing the seat for maintenance. Although the aircraft could fly with it installed, when they went inverted the seat would go " thunk " against the top of the canopy! I would be the one to notice that!!
@military_sadman2 жыл бұрын
Wow! That’s awesome!! Thank you for helping with this movie.
@joesanmiguel63542 жыл бұрын
Are we not going to talk about how Goose's death could ever happen. As an AO who had some knowledge on the ejection seat 1.) Goose's head would never hit the canopy because the ejection seat has about a 1 foot clearance above his head. 2.) The top of the ejection seat has about an 1 to 2 inch clearance from canopy and is designed to break through the glass in the event of an ejection. 3.) The ejection seat is designed to fire in a way that the canopy obviously fires first then the ejection seat fires. We are talking seconds here but with that air speed the canopy seems to actually hover above the aircraft. Now to the bombs and missiles most of them were inerts. All the ones that are blue or have a blue stripe around it are inert. Only the ones with yellow and brown are the live one and there were not that many.
@military_sadman2 жыл бұрын
@@joesanmiguel6354 You know, that is a detail that made the movie kind of hard to watch on that part
@mikegriego36712 жыл бұрын
Not just that, but the ejections themselves in the movie are fake.
@MGower44652 жыл бұрын
@@mikegriego3671 I feel fairly sure its impossible to film the real thing and get usable footage. I doubt you could go to Martin Baker or whoever makes them these days and just buy a couple of ejection seats. Seems like the sort of thing the government doesn't want sold to just anybody. Even if you got the real thing, the actual eject is much too fast to get anything but a blur on camera.
@Rezqewr2 жыл бұрын
Two of my favourite gaffes in the original movie, were: 1) The squadron patch on Tom Cruise and Anthony Edwards' flight suits were not from any Navy fighter squadron, they were from RVAW-110, an E-2 Hawkeye training squadron housed in Miramar's hangar 6, and: 2) the loosely overused term of "CAG." CAG does not refer to any specific squadron, it refers to the airwing as a whole (Carrier Air Group), abbrieviated by the designation: CVW. VAW-112 fleet sailor, from 1980-83.
@dongquixote71382 жыл бұрын
I'll have to watch again, but I don't remember them saying "CAG" very much, if at all. What is definitely an overused, and usually incorrectly used term is "roger." Not just in this movie, but just about any military-themed movie with radio comms.
@Dave-in-MD Жыл бұрын
CAG is Commander Air Group. A person not a airwing.
@roberthudson4440 Жыл бұрын
VAW-110 was the FIREBIRDS E 2 squadron hanger 6 NAS MIRAMAR. That was my patch Goose and Maverick were wearing. 1986 to 1989 my duty station.
@mikee34582 жыл бұрын
The F-5s are an actual Adversary squadron I believe they're the Fighting Saints and that's their actual insignias
@cdncitizen470024 күн бұрын
... and since real MiG's go with "odd number" designations (Mig 17, 21 25, 31, etc.)... the even numbered (mythical) "MiG 28" in Top Gun, is an ongoing "joke".
@maxcovfefe2 жыл бұрын
I know a few Navy aviators, and the part they typically make fun of is when Maverick and Goose "buzz" the air traffic control tower. That would likely cause serious safety issues and could easily get them not only grounded, but kicked out. "Buzzing" a building like that can break the windows and hurt people. This is a maneuver they sometimes perform to "keep the peace" in other countries, but not our buildings, and not on base.
@petermcgill13152 жыл бұрын
And after having the shit shot out of your plane, a flyby of the carrier would be not wise.
@bonniescheele43002 жыл бұрын
One time while at Wal-Mart a navy pilot buzzed the building yes it can be done. Also the blue Angeles can fly inverted
@josephgehring9192 жыл бұрын
Was at an airshow when an F-22 buzzed the parking area. Maybe is was 300 feet. Set off sooooo many car alarms😌
@MikeS3092 жыл бұрын
I worked for a govt entity at sea, and if we were in trouble, we could request "sledge hammer", where a carrier would vector in attack aircraft to do just that, they would get low on the deck and "buzz" the offending warships/boats.
@marksanto10862 жыл бұрын
There was a friendly competition among the the real Top Guns pilots for performing the fly by the tower scene. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity for the winner.
@tylerkelly16252 жыл бұрын
Theres more errors in your video than the actual movie
@thomaswatson95272 жыл бұрын
The biggest error that I can't "unsee" when I watch Top Gun, which is an amazing movie, is the F-14 nose numbers. In the final scene, Maverick launches in an F-14 with a nose number 104. When he lands on the carrier after the mission, he is in an F-14 with nose number 114 - Iceman and Slider were in 104. Those two aircraft, 104 and 114, were filmed throughout the movie. As a matter of fact, I believe number 104 was the plane that crashed and killed Goose...but yet returned for the final scene. It's movie magic...but again, I can't get it out of my mind when I watch. Anyone else notice those two numbers flip-flopping in the scenes?
@evanprobst84612 жыл бұрын
My father is a Marine and was in flight school at Pensacola when this movie came out. The crowd cheered every time for this movie
@Kendognavy222 жыл бұрын
I was an F-14 mechanic in the 90’s. In one scene when Maverick shoots a missile he actually really engages the nose wheel steering button on the control stick. Only F-14 guys catch that one. :) I laugh every time I see that.
@jimbuchanan48822 жыл бұрын
One mistake that's always stood out to me is when viper says "the hard deck for this hop is 10,000 feet. There will be no engagements below that..", and then all the dogfighting is literally right above ground, even flying lower than hilltops sometimes. No one ever seems to catch that one. Viper does address it after the jester encounter but otherwise it's never mentioned
@geico19752 жыл бұрын
Yee haw Jester's dead:)
@cfdfirefighter2 жыл бұрын
I always reasoned it was a higher elevation at that location. 10,000 feet above sea level could still be 1-2,000 feet above ground.
@huskypup34892 жыл бұрын
@@cfdfirefighter Why would the hard deck be set above sea level and not above ground level?
@stargazer25042 жыл бұрын
I also wonder if Jester "calling no joy and went below the hard deck" is like cheating? He couldn't see Mav so he just went below the hard deck so Mav couldn't engage? Sounds like cheating to me.
@rw200002 жыл бұрын
@@stargazer2504 "He got you didn't he ?"
@cassandrab40802 жыл бұрын
When Top Gun was released, I was in the 80th TFS ("Juvats") flying F-16's in Korea. I got a VHS copy from the black market at Kadena AFB. The pilots loved to gather in the dorm "living room" and cheer every time Maverick made a kill. We ignored the errors and loved the aerial photography. ACM -- long-distance maneuvering until you can get a shot before the other guy does -- is always preferred. BFM is the close-in twisting and turning portrayed in movies, but to be avoided, especially in a big heavy aircraft like the F-14 vs small agile F-5's. (The F-14 was specifically designed to provide long-range fleet defense, carrying a special long-range air-to-air missile, the Phoenix.) For me, the most painful error is the idea of a combat "floor". For safety reasons, the rocky solid earth was simulated to be at some altitude, say 2000 feet -- the "floor". If anyone in the training exercise violated the floor even for a moment, they automatically become a "mort" -- as in, dead pilot. If Jester hit the floor, that's a kill for Maverick, who should disengage and search for other targets. Jester would be required to fly home in shame. It would be ridiculous for Maverick to continue his pursuit when he saw Jester approaching the "floor". If Maverick crashed his jet into the simulated rocky ground, he also would fly home in shame. Jester and Maverick diving into the "floor" wouldn't incur the wrath of the commander, it would incur the laughter of the other pilots. Diving into the ground is a really dumb idea -- evidence of an incompetent pilot..
@tyrone-tydavis58582 жыл бұрын
I was a site commander at one of the training and testing ranges attached to Nellis, where we trained fighter pilots (as well as highly specialized other aircraft/crews 🤐) to fly against SAM's and Triple AAA's. We worked with all branches from a number of countries. The "floor" is literally the desert floor. The environment is so real; to avoid detection, we've had aircraft clip mountain tops trying to sneak in prior to checking on range. Once the training begins, flying at 50 feet gets nothing more than a yawn from ground personnel. No offense, but to be honest, I always wondered why our kill rate was so high against Naval aviators (like 7x that of Airman). Now I know. Thanks.
@elymayer48602 жыл бұрын
Air Force makes a distinction between ACM and BFM. With the Navy it’s all ACM
@Hambone5712 жыл бұрын
Your last line in the first paragraph says it all. Ignore the errors and enjoy the film. It’s Hollywood and it’s just for ENTERTAINMENT as what movies are for.
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
Actually it is wrong to assume F-14 was not an phenomenal dogfighter especially considering it was not it's most primary mission. In a one circle fight, Tomcat was famous for even out-turning the F-16 in a radius fight because of a higher AoA capability so F-16 pilots always did two circle rate fight. F-14 had far better turning performance especially in sustained turning than F-5 or A-4 due to the big thrust and wing loading advantage other than rolling quicker and being hard to see, they were no match for the Tomcat in a turning or vertical fight. There was a joke in the Navy that if you want to kill an F-14 in an F-5: or A-4, it is only by making the Tomcat pilot lose sight of you. If an F-14 found you in an A-4 or F-5, there was almost no way to win unless he made a mistake
@ryanb57682 жыл бұрын
Good times as Kadena
@leebrookes802 жыл бұрын
The irony of goof whilst describing a goof! “Iceman Puts IN His Watch Twice”.
@alanm64542 жыл бұрын
Loved the movie. One of my all time faves but I have to say that I have really enjoyed reading through these comments. So many informative posts from people in the know. It hasn't made, for me, the movie any less watchable, but next time I watch it I will be looking with a different set of eyes.
@crunchwrapsupreme88122 жыл бұрын
Best part is the volleyball scene “serve it to him ice” I live in San Diego and every time we walk or drive by guys with no shirts on playing beach volleyball we alwase yell “SERVE IT TO HIM ICE!!!!”
@stevetobe44942 жыл бұрын
As an X- USAF munitions troop, we liked how ordinance magically appeared back on the wings after being launched.
@divershay2 жыл бұрын
IYAAYAS
@stevetobe44942 жыл бұрын
@@divershay AMMO!
@divershay2 жыл бұрын
@@stevetobe4494 hell yeah!!!
@paulshaddix5290 Жыл бұрын
Tim Robbins Merlin
@brenthauer83652 жыл бұрын
I like how you hit the film for using improper naval terminology but then repeatedly refer to the pilots as soldiers.
@joshmajka49802 жыл бұрын
You mean Naval Aviators.
@brenthauer83652 жыл бұрын
@@joshmajka4980 MOS 1395, Pilot.
@dongquixote71382 жыл бұрын
@@brenthauer8365 They'd be 1310s
@brenthauer83652 жыл бұрын
@@dongquixote7138 131X series yes, 1395 specifically would be students. Either way they’re referred to as pilots, more specifically “Aviation Warfare Officer, Pilot”
@dongquixote71382 жыл бұрын
@@brenthauer8365 Student Naval Aviators (i.e. in flight school) are 1390s. I'm nearly positive the designator doesn't change because you go to/graduate one of the weapons schools.
@larryd95492 жыл бұрын
Viper’s rank and name is CDR. Mike Metcalf, and “…you will not find a finer fighter pilot anywhere in the world” Maverick & Goose wear the squadron patches of VF-1 “Wolfpack’ and arrested landings on the USS Ranger which are accurate. However, VF-1 was stationed at NAS Miramar which is also the home of USN Fighter Weapons School aka Top Gun. So, “sending them to Miramar” was also just sending them home. Iceman & Slider wear patches for VFA-25 “Fist of the Fleet” which I will grant you is a cool name & logo. The problem is VFA-25 flew A-7II Corsairs which are medium attack/bombers and not F-14 fighters.
@saxmanjpr50922 жыл бұрын
I must have watched this movie at least 40 times when I was a kid: Twice in the theater, once or twice on T.V. and all other times on VHS!
@johnosbourn43122 жыл бұрын
The first Top Gun film used both single seat F-5Es, and two seat F-5Fs, because you can clearly see that those "MIG-28s", are a mix of single seat, and two seat configurations.
@bmccarty20122 жыл бұрын
Good job on the list, and this is an entertaining video. A couple nitpicks: First, nobody thought Tom Cruise was actually piloting a $74 million aircraft that requires hundreds of hours of training to operate. Second, most people who saw the movie in '86 knew exactly who Art Scholl was, because he was the most famous stunt pilot living at the time. His death during the filming of Top Gun was also headline news across the entire nation. And remember, this was at a time when everyone saw the same news on TV, because most people only had five major channels. So big news stories were pretty hard to tune out. Scholl's death also became baked into the mystique and buzz of the film.
@dianeneedham67032 жыл бұрын
Apologies for my ignorance, but how did die? Was it a stunt gone wrong? And back then I was 15, and truly haven't heard of him but that doesn't negate his accomplishments, it was sad for me to hear about Jan Micheal Vincent's friend who died on air wolf doing a hammer head stall in a helicopter, one of the Bell series, he did it well the first shot which they put in but he crashed on the second one, and Jan blamed himself for asking for the second take, he started drinking heavily because of it.
@the_rakan2 жыл бұрын
Thank u sir
@bmccarty20122 жыл бұрын
@@dianeneedham6703 Scholl crashed into the ocean off Encinitas CA while filming a stunt for the film. And not ignorant at all. I probably assigned greater importance to the event when it happened, because I was pretty familiar with Scholl's work. So it's possible that it wasn't headline news to everyone :)
@dianeneedham67032 жыл бұрын
@@bmccarty2012 Anything can go wrong when you're doing dangerous stunts in any vehicle, flying or otherwise, you have to give mad props to any stunt man, or woman that puts they're body on the the line to entertain the masses, and bring a writer/ director's dream to life.
@katherineberger63292 жыл бұрын
@@dianeneedham6703 Scholl died filming the flat spin sequence. He put his plane into a spin recovery sequence at 9,000 feet and it failed to recover. He radioed distress as he fell through 6,000 feet, and never was able to get control authority back.
@RunDub2 жыл бұрын
Ice and Slider didn't wander wander into hostile territory. They flew there, on purpose, to defend a disabled ship that had drifted into foreign waters. The ship wandered there.
@martincalder59392 жыл бұрын
They were also defending their own ship as well
@Dude408f2 жыл бұрын
In that case, would they have a right to be there and shoot down planes? I'm curious
@johndododoe14112 жыл бұрын
@@Dude408f More like making the invasion worse and more a cause for war. Look at the restraint invoked when a Soviet submarine got itself beached in Sweden during the same decade. And that's long before Sweden officially applied for NATO membership.
@kd5you12 жыл бұрын
One thing I just realized that is probably beyond the scope of the movie, but after the battle was over, both F14's left the area and were no longer defending the disabled ship.
@ZZz-ud3bb2 жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 Incursion
@SixStringflyboy2 жыл бұрын
The irony about the MiGs actually being F5s is that Charlie unknowingly breaks the 4th wall when she tells the cadets "We will be dealing with F5s and A4s as our MiG simulators..."
@notthesamecc19272 жыл бұрын
those planes always bugged me as adversaries. I am glad TGM has more authentic aircraft in it.
@alex35agm2 жыл бұрын
Most people wouldn't know what any of these planes actually are,except anyone interested in planes as I am and the migs are not migs but Northrup F5's,which hurts the authenticity of the movie.It's like having a hurricane used as an ME 109,which look nothing like each other.
@notthesamecc19272 жыл бұрын
@@sonza68 i forgot about that
@davebeattie95732 жыл бұрын
In reference to #8 the MiG-28s. There is a fourth wall breaking line delivered by Charlie in the film. She says "We will be dealing with F-5s and A-4s as our MiG simulators." The MiG-28s are F-5 as mentioned in this video, and the aggressor aircraft at Miramar are A-4s. I really liked this line as it tells viewers exactly what they are seeing in the film, and also is a little apology for not being able to provide actual MiGs as "bad guy" aircraft. Unlike other films, such as Iron Eagle 2, which claimed that F-4s were MiG-29s. The F-4 Phantom has a very distinctive look and can't really be confused with anything else.
@ibubezi76852 жыл бұрын
Those are F5 (as MIGs) in/at Top Gun (some desert base in the US). In the opening scene (which you can find here on YT) the F5's are supposed to be real enemy MIGs (unless that was a Top Gun training above sea - without informing anybody - incl. red star helmets).
@carpingnyland85182 жыл бұрын
@@ibubezi7685 Throughout the movie, black F-5's with red stars are used to portray the opposing nations actual Mig-28's. What Dave is saying is that, despite what Charlie says, we never actually see F-5's being used as aggressor aircraft at Top Gun. The instructors all fly A-4's. So, Charlie saying, "we will be using F-5's and A-4's as our Mig simulators" seems to be describing both the in-character A-4's and the (4th wall breaking) movie's use of F-5's for their "actual" Migs.
@DFDNDBY Жыл бұрын
Mig numbers are always odd so 28 is obviously fake.
@haliaeetus8221 Жыл бұрын
up
@ambyrmetcalfe3592 жыл бұрын
"Too close for missles..I'm switching to guns!" (Shots fired in final fight sequence has plenty of gun footage). Also..Kelly McGillis does make reference to "bandit" terminology. Other points were still really interesting though. Cant wait to see Top Gun sequel out this month! 😍
@jackwhittles992 жыл бұрын
They show a scene in this video of them actually using the cannon 😂🤥
@MikeKingTheGlosterBirder2 жыл бұрын
Just rewatched this and they definitely said that, so I call bull too.
@toddporthouse74272 жыл бұрын
The tail design on Kilmer's F14 Tomcat was actually borrowed from Attack Squadron 25 (Fist of the Fleet) that flew A-7E Corsair IIs. Being the Flight Deck Coordinator for one of the A7 squadrons on the Enterprise during the filming and a former member of VA-25, we gave the fighter guys a very hard time about using an attack squadron logo on a fighter aircraft.
@alshunneson2 жыл бұрын
When the movie was being filmed, the squadron was VFA-25, flying the F/A-18. A college buddy and fellow Naval Aviator got orders there as a 'Nugget,' newly winged at NAS Kingsville. From Wikipedia:
@jamesloghry80832 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia is full o' 💩
@jamesloghry80832 жыл бұрын
One had to go through 122 (one funny zoo) 2 go there
@roberthudson44402 жыл бұрын
And vf 124 tomcats f 14 squadron used my vaw 110 firebirds aew e2c hawkeye squadron patch
@johnosbourn43122 жыл бұрын
Actually, that was on Mav's jet, Ice's jet had the insignia from an E-2 squadron: VAW-113 "HORMEL HOGS".
@fletsepopje2 жыл бұрын
"Bogey" is an unidentified aircraft. You see and are tracking an aircraft, but otherwise don't know whether it's friendly, unfriendly, or neutral. "Bandit" is an identified unfriendly aircraft. You see and are tracking an aircraft, and have other information that meets the Rules of Engagement criteria for declaring it to be a bad guy. "Hostile" is an identified unfriendly aircraft which fighters are cleared to engage (ie, shoot down). Meets all the ROE criteria for Bandit plus the ROE for being cleared to shoot it down. "Contact" is basically a way of saying "I see something on my radar (or other sensor) but know nothing else about it, I'll get back to you when I do." Told by Andy Burns, Surface Warfare & Flight Officer at United States Navy (1999-present)
@crewchief51442 жыл бұрын
"Tally" and "No joy" are two other important call-outs.
@rhikdavis2 жыл бұрын
A 'skunk' is an unknown surface unit, not an aircraft.
@treydrier31692 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Thanks for the clarifications.
@mokanlines2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, as are the other replies for tally, no joy and skunk
@ericschultz92912 жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn’t mention that Merlin was Tim Robbins. Didn’t realize this until decades later.
@reinbronsgeest37772 жыл бұрын
Didn’t mention Clarence Gilyard Jr. either. He went on to be in Die Hard and Walker Texas Ranger.
@dmutant26352 жыл бұрын
I get the impression Tim didn't like this movie very much.
@ernieblanchard88792 жыл бұрын
He want talking about the actor’s real names.. he was referring to the character’s real names
@ldawn15402 жыл бұрын
Just watched Top Gun Maverick and had the same frisson chills as I did watching Top Gun (the original). I will always love the danger zone! Thanks for your video. I have to go watch the original again (and again).
@lynnmahan1542 жыл бұрын
Only on netflix til midnight tonight!😅
@Rezqewr2 жыл бұрын
They forgot to mention the fact that only a few scenes were actually filmed at (then) NAS Miramar. (hangar scene, ready room scene, volleyball scene, and Tom "riding" his motorcycle on the flightline rd.) Flight scenes were filmed at and around NAS Fallon, NV, where Topgun (one word) is now based, locker room scenes were at the Mission Beach Plunge swimming pool, the scene where Tom Chases Kelly McGuiness' Porsche, was filmed on Laurel st. in downtown San Diego, the "barracks" and Officers' club scenes were filmed at the (now defunct) Naval Training Center in downtown San Diego, the piano scenes were filmed at the Kansas City Barbecue at Seaport Village in downtown San Diego, the "hemlock" scene was filmed at the (now defunct) Windsock restaurant/bar adjacent to San Diego Lindbergh Field airport, and call sign Charlie's house was in Oceanside. I'm sure there are more, but these are the main ones.
@Pr3ct2 жыл бұрын
Seems you don’t know that Navy aircraft operators are called aviators, not pilots and damn sure not soldiers.
@tyrannicpuppy2 жыл бұрын
Something Maverick points out in the movie. "A naval aviator."
@hitmixhyepock94052 жыл бұрын
Actually "ballistic" means traveling under the force of gravity only. Hence ballistic missile, meaning it's launched and then flies to its target via gravity. Also the inverted dive is possible, the f14 has 2 tail fins while the F5 tiger has 1....and it was like 3 meters away, which is 15 feet. I knew those were f5's back when the movie came out, when I was 12...because my favorite jets were the F20 tigershark and the A10 thunderbolt 2.
@jamesianhutchison11652 жыл бұрын
The Warthog is still a fantastic, no nonsense, get the job done design. Still blows my mind that if you were to hold the trigger long enough on it's nose mounted gun it could actually reduce your airspeed to the point of causing a stall! 😅 Was lucky enough to get to sit in the cockpit of one years ago at Leuchars and got my photo taken. Also VERY happy that it's one of the aircraft available in Ace Combat 7's VR missions.
@aixaburlison42 жыл бұрын
Can't happen, aerodynamics would pull them together. Venturi effect. U.S.A.F Egress Technician retired.A-10 qualified 18 years...also look at the ejection seats, see that brass looking know on the top left of the seat. It called a handwheel, it unlocks the seat from the catapult for seat removal. I'm not going to get into goose's death. 0ne in a million case
@apcsox2 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of the inconsistencies in terminology and such was deliberate. Remember. They weren’t allowed to “fire chaff and flares” to avoid missile lock (like in real life) because the pentagon didn’t want to give away the defensive capabilities of the Tomcat
@irabel012 жыл бұрын
Ha ! Now that you mention it…. how did I not notice
@synystera2 жыл бұрын
chaff was developed in the 40-s, no? how was it a secret by the time the movie came out?
@nocalsteve2 жыл бұрын
That’s just BS.
@feralbluee2 жыл бұрын
Jester, Rick Heatherly, is Michael Ironside, one of the best actors around. i loved him in “V” with Marc Singer. (everyone in that cast was terrific.)
@baylinkdashyt2 жыл бұрын
And let's note that some of the people who think "Take my Breath Away" is cheezy... include Berlin, who reportedly hate the song, which was their biggest hit ever, and completely unlike everything else they ever released. Movie soundtracks are not an unmixed blessing.
@elbryan92 жыл бұрын
I love how they dog the production for the misuse of the words bogey and ballistic and then refer to sailors as soldiers.
@sharkfood062 жыл бұрын
Another point that is missed, is the Topgun sticker on Mav’s motorcycle. Until you graduate from the school, no one would be caught dead with a sticker or patch in fear of jinxing themselves. In flight school none of us dared wear a shirt or hat that had Naval Aviator’s wings on them.
@bobastu2 жыл бұрын
Submarine sailors who has not yet earned their warfare pin used to be forbidden from wearing anything with Dolphins on them, including command ball caps. This is something that changed in the mid 90s. Kindly gentler Navy.
@Richborg442 жыл бұрын
Around NAS Miramar, no one would wear a Top Gun patch or ball cap unless your part of VF-126, Top Gun instructor or graduate. I was in VF-51 as a Plane Captain for the F-14A in 1985-86, engine shop 86-89 and part of the filming for 9 months. We were part of the movie and many of us, including myself was used as extras in the movie. As extras and part of the movie, we still wouldn't wear any Top Gun hats/t-shirts. VF-51 patch and hat for me only at that time.
@rawnukles2 жыл бұрын
Is Mavericks name a joke about being an air to ground missile who crashes into the ground? I seem to recall them teasing him about his call sign but never knew why.
@bobastu2 жыл бұрын
@@rawnukles most call signs are not chosen by the pilot but by their fellow squadron peers. They are chosen from mistakes when they were nuggets or from something really cool they did. My cousins can sign was POPs... he was the oldest guy in their flight class AND it stands for Prince of Porn. He has an extensive Playboy collection. The first female pilot assigned to Ocean NAS was given the call sign of Mounds...Almond Joy's got nuts, Mounds don't.
@whoknows86782 жыл бұрын
No kidding. I didn't get my flight gear issue until I was actually IN flight school. We got it during the API phase at P'cola before starting Primary. Now, they give the fuckin' middies flight suits on service selection night and they can wear them to class on Fridays. They haven't even graduated USNA yet. When I was there, we got our leather jackets and that was it. I don't remember being able to wear them on the yard to class, either.
@TheScarlettrouge2 жыл бұрын
My niece has aspirations of going to flight school when she commissioned into the Navy after graduating college. She told me once that she wanted to become a RIO (radar intercept officer). After explaining what a RIO does, I said “Basically Goose from Top Gun, but without the dying?” She says “YES! I knew you’d get it!”
@ZZz-ud3bb2 жыл бұрын
No more RIOs.
@brookeharper46412 жыл бұрын
While serving aboard the cruiser, USS Reeves CG-24, we received the film cans during underway replenishment. Each time we were supposed to send Top Gun back to the ship that would refuel us a week later we would send back the replacement movie instead of Top Gun. We watched it for 3 weeks straight till the Admiral on the USS Midway made us return it. By then the whole crew new every one liner and dialog exchange. Good Times.
@YvetteArby Жыл бұрын
For a long time, after a run of a new movie was winding down and before the next blockbuster debuted, the largest movie theater in our area would bring back Top Gun because it was a known box office money maker. I saw Top Gun there at least 5 times. Later, I bought the VHS and when that got stolen, I bought the DVD. Great movie!!
@dramoth642 жыл бұрын
If I remember propery, the F14 was made to engage multiple targets at maximum distance from the CAG they were based off. So getting up close and personal wasn't really part of their mission scope. They would have launched the appropriate missiles at the bandits at about 100 miles. The REO would have vectored the missiles into the relevant targets.
@elitewolverine2 жыл бұрын
Yes and no, usually you don't engage unless you have visual. Which their camera system would have done at about 60miles out. The Phoenix engagement of 100nm give or take, was mainly for a time of war where engagement was given without need to ask. Here just a single F-14 would have downed the migs in the scene as the single f-14 could simultaneously track 25+ targets, fire at 6 independently, and leave. The Phoenix would have a hit ratio of at least 90% so just 2 pop shots after another would have done it. But hey, no cool dog fight if that was the case here.
@Wolfdancer48592 жыл бұрын
I was and still am a avid war nerd when I first saw this movie but it’s still one of my favorite movies ever!
@kevinclapson2 жыл бұрын
The point about guns not actually being used by these "Top Gun" pilots is an extreme nitpick. The other side of "dogfighting" skills is combat aviation, skills that kept the pilots alive when they were grossly outnumbered at the end of the film. The point of the opening speech in their class wasn't that missiles were a poor choice, but that the reliance on the technology was dulling the pilots overall skill set in the cockpit. The point about starting another world war is also inaccurate. The US forces didn't fly into foreign airspace to engage the enemy, they were in the air to respond to enemy planes that were approaching a stranded boat that was undergoing rescue ops by the US Navy. The US planes also didn't fire until fired upon. International incident? Sure. Sparking WW3? No.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
This video was simply cringe-worthy in how extreme some of the nitpicks were. "Top Gun" is just a nickname for the Fighter Weapons School. The term "gun" is used in a very rhetorical sense.
@17Blower2 жыл бұрын
At 8:04 in this vid, You actually see them using guns. To say they're never used and then show them being used is ridiculous
@twozero3five2 жыл бұрын
@@17Blower maverick actually says "too close for missiles I'm switching to guns!" in one scene too
@dwidep2 жыл бұрын
@@17Blower That was one of the enemy planes. Still nitpicky though
@CatFather0012 жыл бұрын
The first aircraft deployed at the topgun school were early naval f4 phantoms that had no guns, the pilots were taught to use aggressive dogfights skills to get their aircraft or their wingman into a position where their missiles (sidewinder usually) had the best chance of a hit. While keeping a mutual eye out for each other to prevent the enemy from killing them.
@roxwyfe2 жыл бұрын
My husband was in the Air Force when this movie came out. His job was as a jet engine mechanic. We went to see this movie at a drive-in near the base where he was stationed at the time. On more than one occasion he announced loudly that "That's not how an afterburner works" and other similar technical phrases I'm sure the rest of the attendees weren't interested in hearing .
@williamlopez86762 жыл бұрын
Read my post. I'm sure your husband would like to know that the USAF made this movie first.
@roxwyfe2 жыл бұрын
@@williamlopez8676 Thanks for that information. I found the movie on YT and have forwarded it to my hubby. I'm sure he'll enjoy it.
@onewingedangelsephiroth15612 жыл бұрын
So Scabbers was the main advisor? Was Sirius Black a Mig pilot? 😂
@xCASINOx2 жыл бұрын
After bringing up Iceman's watch i thought it would eventually be brought up that in the opening scene when the ship captain enters the CIC, there are shots where he is wearing all his ribbons and others where he wasnt wearing any at all.
@RoseKoneko2 жыл бұрын
This channel is one of the few I actually watch all the way to the end. Gotta hear those words of support, they’re more helpful than I thought they would be.
@DonMachado2 жыл бұрын
Jules is the man, and a massive ledge!
@jamesb57642 жыл бұрын
100% agree! Gotta hear those words of encouragement from Jules.
@BeeKeeper372 жыл бұрын
After living in San Diego for a period of years one of the parts that is really quite humorous is the chasing between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis… As they leave the flight school in point Loma… First part of the scene… Then they are directly over by the airport, which is basically across town in a matter of seconds…And then they are at her place which is up in your oceanside which is an hour away. Obviously in the movie it makes sense… But if you know the locations it’s not quite as connected as it would appear.
@roberthudson44402 жыл бұрын
Her place was in La Jolla, people visit it all the time
@BeeKeeper372 жыл бұрын
@@roberthudson4440 type in …Kelly McGill is house, top gun… it states,, Oceanside ,,,
@roberthudson44402 жыл бұрын
@@BeeKeeper37 IT is wrong
@bikeny2 жыл бұрын
I have that same problem with locations that are supposedly here in New York City.
@twostickersplease2 жыл бұрын
The film's composer and main theme is credited (primarily) as Harold Faltermeyer, not Moroder.
@robnielsen51232 жыл бұрын
Also, the confusion about the "slowing down" part actually is wrong. One major thing taught in fighter combat is 'Energy Management' flight is a 3 dimensional environment. The slamming of the throttles always has a lag. The thrust takes a little time to become more speed. The pilot pulled back on the stick, trading speed for altitude. The trailing enemy would have flown past. then the f-14 would angle back down and engage the target from it's '6' (Behind). If a fighter loses it's energy (Speed or altitude) it is at a huge and often unrecoverable disadvantage. 'Flooring it' when pulling up made sure that you didn't loose too much energy in the whole maneuvre. ]
@user-vm5ud4xw6n2 жыл бұрын
I knew a few of them but my son was just 8 years old when it came out. You can figure his age out but to this day when someone asks him something he still says “negative Ghost Rider.” You can hardly forget the movie with that remark being used all the time. He is anxiously waiting for the 2nd movie to be released!
@stuarthtodd2 жыл бұрын
Ha! I'm around the same age, and I will have to remember to use phrase. Even reading it in your comment, I know exactly where it's used in the film (like most, I suspect!)
@user-vm5ud4xw6n2 жыл бұрын
@@stuarthtodd yep! Me too! I can’t begin to tell you how many times he’s watched the movie. He can probably recite it back line for line. If he’s not watching that it’s Forrest Gump. I suspect that is because of the small connection with Vietnam, even though it’s rather fantastical. But his dad was there and that’s what matters!!
@jonburnell5322 жыл бұрын
Even knowing all of this, it's still one of my favourite films.
@KC_Eden2 жыл бұрын
4:25 Tom Cruise's middle tooth though! Once you see it, it can't be unseen! Should be called Top gum! lol 😬
@Yuubari2 жыл бұрын
a mouth full of chiclets haha
@carastone34732 жыл бұрын
Navy members are NEVER called ‘soldiers.’ Soldiers are Army members.
@martyc15332 жыл бұрын
Navy Members are SQUIDS.....!!!
@crewchief51442 жыл бұрын
I used to laugh how our Air Force counterparts would get miffed when the Naval Aviation bubbas were called "Airmen" instead of "Seamen" but that's what their ratings and ranks were. Those of us Marines just made fun of all of them. Joint training ops are always fun.
@krisbarringer15092 жыл бұрын
He said “members” haha ha haha!
@1nvisible12 жыл бұрын
*@**3:32** incorrect. There's actully an electric minigun scene where an F15 corkscrews away from overtaking fire and F15's are equipped with starboard M61A1 Six-barrel Gatling Gun.*
@deanc64712 жыл бұрын
When Maverick is chasing either Jester or Viper (forget) hes close behind him, then theres a shot where the F-14 zips up from bottom of screen followed by the F-4 , so the f-4 is now behind for like 2 seconds...then its back to the tomcat chasing in the next shot.
@maj28132 жыл бұрын
There's an early appearance by a young Decepticon Starscream. The future star of Michael Bay's Transformers franchise was yet to make his breakout performance in the animated Transformers film in 1986 when he appeared as the travelling companion for young Bradley, Goose's son. Starscream is seen in several scenes being cuddled by Goose. Starscream almost didn't get the part as Starscream is a F-15 Eagle, an Air Force jet and not a F-14 Tomcat that Goose flew in. US Navy figures were reluctant to allow any Air Force related people near Top Gun because of the long rivalry between the two services, but the Admirals were convinced by the arguement that Starscream is not US Air Force but is an evil Decepticon warrior and that was more acceptable to the US Navy. It was a decision the US Navy would later regret as Starscream participated in the destruction and sinking of the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.
@christopherengel74362 жыл бұрын
I've always felt that the most unrealistic & unbelievable scene was the volleyball sequence. Common knowledge is that part of being successful at volleyball is being over four and half feet tall. Everyone should be spiking the ball into Tiny Tommy's kisser.
@davesagan12452 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@patrickgriffitt65512 жыл бұрын
True but doesn't always go that way in practice.
@CARNAGE-tc3yq2 жыл бұрын
If you were actually paying attention when he was fumbling with his watch he was adjusting the time then putting it on
@TheSeaCav2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@ChrisDIYerOklahoma2 жыл бұрын
I am 53 and loved the 1980's. Back when things weren't so f*cked up with political sensitivity and Karens
@MarlboroughBlenheim12 жыл бұрын
Rose tinted
@tims77382 жыл бұрын
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 not rose tinted, reality-based
@MarlboroughBlenheim12 жыл бұрын
@@tims7738 we had many issues then as well. Economic issues, major debt for third world, wars. Major civil discontent and violence occurred, including the Iran-Iraq War, the Soviet-Afghan War, the 1982 Lebanon War, the First Nagorno-Karabakh War, the Bombing of Libya in 1986, and the First Intifada in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Islamism became a powerful political force in the 1980s and many terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda, started.
@davecrupel28172 жыл бұрын
As of the time this comment was posted, one of those "Migs" sits at the Empire State Aero sciences museum in Schenectady County Airport, in Easterwood, NY. And I stumbled upon the museum in question just by happenstance, while passing through the area barely a month ago. Coolest accident ever!
@alwaysarudd48162 жыл бұрын
My cousin was one of the original founders of Fighter Weapons School. He passed away in Feb 2021.
@GRIZZLYSGEAR2 жыл бұрын
Their "nicknames" are actually called callsigns, used to identify who is in what aircraft and who to "call" when they have to distribute orders...
@randallulrich2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I knew I wasn't that only one who caught this. He also says that they're "code names". Wrong. Like you say -- they're "call signs".
@hunter32Golf2 жыл бұрын
The action sequences in Top Gun are based off a real life event called the "gulf of sidra" incident. The in 1981 two LYBIAN migs were shot down.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
How so?
@hunter32Golf2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisSoto-ho5fw In 1973 Libya claimed the Gulf Of Sidra as sovereign Territory. In response the United States initiated a "Freedom of Navigation (FoN) operation", to ensure UN member vessels would not be threatened by Libyan forces. In august of 1981 the USS Nimitz and USS Forestall were ordered to perform these FoN operations. On the morning of 19 August, an S-3 Viking was ordered to fly a patrol route to provoke the Libyans. It worked two Su-22 fighters were launched form an air base near Sirte. These fighters were then engaged by F-14's flying a combat patrol, and they were destroyed. I am not sure what part of "based on the gulf of Sidra incident" you did not understand. Nor why you would not google "Gulf of Sidra incident" and read about it yourself. But in the video the narrator states he has no idea who the Migs belonged too. The exocet missile is french missile, it was never used by the Soviets. The Mig 28 is a fictional aircraft too. These are minor things that anyone who had spent anytime researching the film would be able to find.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
@@hunter32GolfEasy, man! No reason to be condescending, bro. It was just a simple question (“how so?”). I Am well aware of the Gulf of Sidra incident, no reason to google. I thought you were referring to how they staged the air combat situation (I.e., the 2 against 6, etc.). Your clarification denotes that you have a good eye/memory, and I had never thought of it that way. Incidentally, I had the honor and pleasure of meeting VF-41 members when the Nimitz went to NY for fleet week. Quite a lot of notoriety they picked up for that incident :)
@hunter32Golf2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisSoto-ho5fw Yeah, i am not sure what I was thinking when i answered. I felt like it was a sarcastic comment i think. Also, i was kind of disappointed with the video, seemed pretty lackluster for that channel. So I was a little pissed about that too. But the action sequences for both scenes (the opening and ending) were based off the gulf of sidra incident of 1981. There was a second one in 1986 the year the film was released, and a final one in 1989 after the film had aired.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
@@hunter32Golf Hey no worries. But you give me too much credit: Sarcasm almost always goes way over my head! :)
@thebonesaw..46342 жыл бұрын
I was literally in the Navy when this movie came out... and I'm one of the worst people to watch a military movie with, because I spend the whole film correcting everything (I'm even worse if it's a submarine movie). I didn't know most of these but I caught the wrong terminology and correctly identified the "MiG-28" right away.
@MATTNMEMPHIS2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that ALL MiGs and Sukhois are designated in odd numbers. Even Firefox got that right.
@thissailorja2 жыл бұрын
I spent 13 of my 20 years on ship in the surface fleet. I understand. Are you a stickler for the awards they wear too?
@Fearless-12 жыл бұрын
Google movie and TV show nitpickers community, support group, etc.
@stevenlangridge36372 жыл бұрын
Not just in the Navy, but literally in the Navy.
@thebonesaw..46342 жыл бұрын
@@stevenlangridge3637 -- I apologize for using the word "literally" correctly. That must be very confusing for you. It's a joy to watch people who have absolutely *NOTHING* to add to a conversation... so they resort to this kind of shit in the vain hopes that it will somehow make them look "smart" and/or "edgy". Hey, here's a crazy thought... go out and _literally_ experience some shit for yourself (instead of with a controller, on a monitor), then come back and share those experiences with us with whatever words you feel like using for emphasis. I'd at least have respect for that. Or are you still too young to do that on your own? Well, you can always have your mommy and daddy take you. Those stories are fun too.
@anthonyx35762 жыл бұрын
When trying to figure out who the number 1 is. Ice tells maverick 2nd place is in the ladies room. Literally a soon following scene, Maverick goes after the Instructor into the Ladies Room.
@shelanem2 жыл бұрын
I was in an Army aviation unit myself, and the Navy's ranks and uniforms are so different. What is the significance of the colored undershirts worn with their flight suits. Maverick and Goose wore white while Iceman and Slider wore blue.
@williamskogen98952 жыл бұрын
Spent 15 years as an aviation electronics tech in the Navy. The color shirt they wear under their flight suits means absolutely nothing.
@Brennen61992 жыл бұрын
I actually knew some of the character names. I grew up watching this flick, still love it. I hope Maverick finds Xenu in the new movie.
@maxcovfefe2 жыл бұрын
How are they gonna justify putting Maverick back in a jet? He's sooo old in fighter pilot years. He should be piloting commercial passenger jets, not fighter jets. Search KZbin for G-LOC training. You'll mostly see young aviators in the centrifuge because all the blood in one's body pools with inertia, so they train to fly while partially unconscious with breathing techniques. Not recommended for the elderly unless he REALLY wants to meet Xenu!
@RemyJackson2 жыл бұрын
I remembered Maverick's name. Not anyone else's.
@maxcovfefe2 жыл бұрын
@@RemyJackson How can you possibly forget GOOSE?
@RemyJackson2 жыл бұрын
@@maxcovfefe I was referring to their real names, not call signs. I remember Maverick's real name was Pete
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
@@maxcovfefe A great many fighter pilots fly well into their 50s. I'm not sure what age Tom Cruise is playing here, but he's definitely younger than Chuck Yeager was when he flight-tested and "demoed" the F-20 Tigershark as a consultant for Northrop (IIRC) - "demo" as in pushing the aircraft in dissimilar air-combat mock dogfights against other - mostly younger - pilots. Avoiding G-LOC is probably more about anaerobic strength than anything, and that is one of the last things to go as you get older. The famous Israeli ace Giora Epstein was flying front-line fighters (F-16s) right up until he retired, at 59.
@jean-marclopez34372 жыл бұрын
TOP GUN for aviation is like BACKDRAFT for firefighters (I know I have 30 years of service with firefighters) it's beautiful, it's magnificent, it creates vocations, but it's totally unrealistic .
@12345fowler2 жыл бұрын
I like this comparaison. I'm not interested and knowledgable in fire or firefighter matters but boy I loved that film just for the fire rendition on screen, just like Top Gun did bring real images of sexy fighters to the general public. Fire was the star of the show in Backdraft as the Tomact was the star of the show in Top Gun.
@gregrtodd2 жыл бұрын
Wow -this is so far off the mark on so many points. Ballistic doesn't mean what you think it means (yes the movie got it wrong too, but they were closer than you were.) The term for maximum speed isn't 'envelope' (even without your weird pronunciation). TOPGUN isn't about learning to fight with guns; it's about ACM. I gave up at that point, as this vid didn't seem to be "20 things you somehow missed in Top Gun" as much as "20 things we thought were mistakes in Top Gun" Whoever did this WhatCulture really needs to lift their game.
@12345fowler2 жыл бұрын
I came to the conclusion that people doing theses videos just gather some crap that is beeing discussed in numerous media and try to orgnanize it in some hit list. Some of the points are correct, some are not. Depends where he took the crap from but for sure didn't do any study about it.
@mike70022 жыл бұрын
18:16 contradicts what he said about them calling enemies 'Bogies' throughout, where he says they are (correctly) identified as 'hostiles'.
@PM-zu3cz2 жыл бұрын
The entire Top Gun soundtrack is really, really good
@johnosbourn43122 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed, because I have a copy in my Rock music library.
@ronaldgochnour53272 жыл бұрын
It wasn't created for solders, it was created for Naval Aviators . They had became to reliant in missles
@pulsingbrain80482 жыл бұрын
You forgot to point out that at the end of the film Goose's name plate is still on his locker on his FORMER ship ... well after he is DEAD.
@hailandfire18222 жыл бұрын
This is common practice
@elymayer48602 жыл бұрын
2:15 “Going ballistic,“ means that gravity is the only force acting on the aircraft. It’s not max speed, Nor min speed. The movie uses it in reference to when the aircraft is in a steep climb (similar to the launch of a ballistic missile going almost straight up). Ballistic flight (example) would be something like rolling the plane 90° and letting the plane descend by gravity alone. Max speed is not the envelope. Oversimplified, the envelope is contained by four corners. 1. How slow the plane can travel at sea level and still maintain control. 2. How fast the plane can travel at sea level. 3. How slow the plane can fly at maximum altitude. 4. How fast the plane can fly at maximum altitude.
@animalyze71202 жыл бұрын
The Term going Ballistic used in the movie was the civilian slang for going like a "Bat outta Hell". Since the Navy has a different use of the slang it confuses people who can't disassociate Military from Civilian even though they know both well enough.
@elymayer48602 жыл бұрын
@@animalyze7120 military has used the term since the 50s, to describe unguided flight. The movie reference was basically accurate. It was on a steep climb, where the wings basically contribute nothing to the lift
@davidschembri53152 жыл бұрын
Well, the F-14 is 19m long while the F-5 is only 14m long. That means the tails are offset by 5 m! How could their tails collide if they are not in line with each other??
@Rurik_Luci2 жыл бұрын
2:48 No it's not. Based on the length as well as the vertical stabilizer height compared to the canopy of both the F-14 Tomcat and the Northrop F-5 used for the "MiG 28" in the movie. To begin with there would be multiple feet of clearance between the top of each vertical stabilizer and the enemy aircraft. The vertical stabilizers would not be able to interact because on what they call a MIG it is far too much forward compared to the F-14. At no point would they have anything less than 2.5 feet of clearance which is more than possible of maintaining such close perimeters. The best comparison for this would be flying in what's called a fingertip formation for those of you who don't know in a fingertip formation if you're three feet apart from your wingman's aircraft you are often considered way too far apart. In a fingertip formation if you are on the left your right-wing is typically less than 1 ft less than 30 cm from your wingman's left-wing. But at no point would that F5 and F-14 have less than 75 inches of clearance. The only way this is impossible as if the pilot of the F5 got spooked and crashed into him by pulling up rather than pushing down on his stick. I'll be reporting this video for its blatant spreading of misinformation.
@estebanmorales64872 жыл бұрын
I knew number 8 since the first time I saw Top Gun, in 1986, in the cinema. Not only did I know those weren't MIGs, but what they actually were. I was 11 at the time. What a nerd.
@LuisSoto-ho5fw2 жыл бұрын
Hey don't call yourself a nerd until you hear my story of how people over heard me in the theater when I was watching "Iron Eagle," and pointing out that the "MiGs" were in fact IAI Kfirs....
@williamlopez86762 жыл бұрын
It was actually explained in the move
@sandramadaris78142 жыл бұрын
Good analysis...and there are cheesy moments for sure. But gotta say, aviators in their dress whites are always eye-catching. I know--I married one!😊💖🇺🇸
@marcducati2 жыл бұрын
at 4:18 hitting the brakes is actually simulating the cobra manoeuvre that the Russians do in Sukhoi's 27, 35, 37and Mig 29, (not the F5 E in the movie). You actually do put throttle forward (not all the way though) and pull back hard to put the plane in a vertical position, dynamically stalling for a few seconds, before pushing forward to avoid the actual stall. The plane is literally hung on the engines. Although the F14 would incapable of doing this manoeuvre, as seen in the movie where it looks clumsy. So the movie does get it sort of right.
@harrykoyl37842 жыл бұрын
Yep! Definitely NOT in the Alfa, but maybe in the Beta! No problem in the Delta! Though, probably only effective in CQ, or very within gun range! Any further than that, you're a fish on a hook, or a target at a "Tailhook" party...!
@UniversalMarcus1483 Жыл бұрын
Great video my friend! And if you don’t mind the list not being a nice round 20, I have a few more little somethings you may be interested in. Years back I had the good fortune to have the honor of shaking hands with retired United States Navy Rear Admiral Kenneth "Pete" Pettigrew, and getting to personally thank him for his service. For a fan like me, it was absolutely surreal! He gave a speech about the production of the film, and even did a Q and A session with those present (I was born and raised here in San Diego, California aka “Fightertown, U.S.A.” and I had no idea the venue existed. A local news channel did a piece on Pettigrew, and announced he would be speaking at a San Diego writers and filmmakers guild for the 30 year anniversary of the release of the film, so yeah we’re talking 2016 here. Anyway, cutting to the chase: Pettigrew pointed out several very interesting things about the production of the film along with it being established that he made that cameo in the first bar scene, being the man in the yellow shirt. Okay: 1. There is NO Top Gun trophy. As Pettigrew pointed out, it’s a school, not a competition. If it were, to paraphrase his words, “If it were a competition, there would be a lot of pilots who’d die in ‘a training accident,’ and a lot of lost aircraft.” 2. The locker room scenes were filmed at “The Plunge” here in San Diego. It’s an indoor olympic-sized pool deal. The reason why they even had the locker room scenes is because they wanted to get as much skin out of Tom Cruise, so to speak. What else?🤔 Oh, 3. A filming aircraft was also lost during filming off the coast, costing the life of a pilot and what must’ve been invaluable film footage. The producers asked the wife of the pilot if she wanted them to down and retrieve his body and she responded, “No.” And saying that’s where he would’ve wanted to rest in peace. Oh, and fun fact: for the “buzzing the tower” scene, which Pettigrew said would only be done by a madman who wanted to lose his wings and be court-martialed, the pilot who flew the F-14 in that sequence, call sign Joker, was told to get low, but not “unsafe” low. Something like 700 feet off the deck. Well Joker 🃏 took it upon himself to give everyone an unexpected show and buzzed the tower only 100 feet above the deck! Okay buddy, if anything else comes of the archives of my subconscious, I’ll let you know! Cheers!
@darknightsoul51502 жыл бұрын
Throttling up with brakes on is actually the best way to force an overshoot. It takes several seconds for a jet turbine to spool up or down. When you throttle down your engines are still producing thrust for several seconds..so let your engines spool down in a scissors fight then throttle up before dumping your speed with high-g maneuver. This way you dump your speed while turbines are spinning up but not producing much thrust and you can roll out having near maximum thrust at your slowest speed to recover to get on your aggressor's six. If you don't spool up prior before dumping your speed you'll be stalled with no thrust for 7 seconds waiting for turbines to spin up while the bogey goes vertical (and drops back down on your six).
@paulholland79692 жыл бұрын
Great list, enjoyed it. With #6 about the watch, I think you’ve got it wrong there. In the first shot it looks like he is holding the watch and winding it or setting the time. In the 2nd shot, it starts with home still holding it and taking that action and then putting it on.
@TheSeaCav2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. It is quite obvious that he isn't putting it on twice...I was confused by this one at first. I think it's just wrong.
@vwgirl2 жыл бұрын
Who is the real enemy? Tom's unibrow that's the real villain.
@Hr-sd5sd2 жыл бұрын
Yup, I missed all of them but man, it was a great film! Loved it.
@KevinMullenger2 жыл бұрын
"In fact, our heroes never used guns at any point..." This is where you lost me. Does the Top Gun line, "Too close for missiles, switching to guns" mean anything to you? Maverick DID use his guns.
@puppetmassster2 жыл бұрын
He never fired them.
@ashleyj77892 жыл бұрын
Great vid man. I spotted very few of these; one thing I kind of noticed was that yes indeed, Kelly McGillis did seem to lose weight in the elevator scene.... I still can't see the motorbike being pulled along with straps, but I'll take your word for it lol.
@joshuadaniels87442 жыл бұрын
We know exactly what killed Art Scholl. He was shooting background footage to green screen over the canopy in the flat spin scene. The director told him to do a much safer spiraling descent, but Art wasn’t satisfied with the footage because it didn’t look realistic. So Art, having done a flat spin and gotten out of it 100 times, did the flat spin the way he always does; but the placement of the camera on the win disrupted the airflow in such a way that Art couldn’t pull out of the spin the way he wanted to.
@whoknows86782 жыл бұрын
The camera actually moved the CG of the aircraft too far aft thereby making it even more unstable. Aircraft with too far aft CGs will enter spins very, very easily and, very likely, unrecoverable. There's a saying... "An aircraft with a CG too far forward will fly poorly. An aircraft with a CG too far aft will fly...once..."
@aaronweiser54212 жыл бұрын
Why didn't Art Eject??
@whoknows86782 жыл бұрын
@@aaronweiser5421 He was in a piston/prop powered Pitts S-2 aerobatic biplane, not a Tomcat. No ejection seat. And, even with a parachute, it's immensely difficult to manually open the canopy, jump out and get yourself clear of the airframe when in a flat spin.
@susannahfox71882 жыл бұрын
Vaya con Dios, Art.......
@whoknows86782 жыл бұрын
@@susannahfox7188 Little late for that. LOL
@MothaLuva2 жыл бұрын
9:50 They’re both F-5Fs and F-5Es. The black paint was a latex based one and frequently peeled off. It was a nightmare to maintain.
@greggirons672 жыл бұрын
I took a photograph of one of the "MiG-28s" on static display at the 1985 NAS Miramar airshow, it has a bit of paint flaking off back near the exhausts ...
@MothaLuva2 жыл бұрын
@@greggirons67 No wonder. The heat of the engines…
@jeffburnham66112 жыл бұрын
It is possible to dive while inverted. and is a key part of performing a Split-S. You suggest that it isn't possible because the horizontal stabilizers would be touching. I counter that the F-14A is somewhat larger than the F-5, so the horizontal stabilizers would be over the exhaust and not the tail of the F-5. The picture was taken at between 1.5-2 meters, that almost 6 feet and I don't believe the F-5 has a tailfin that large.
@MedusaOblongata2 жыл бұрын
I think they specified that they couldn't have done it the way they did it in the movie bc the tails would touch. Your split-s formation would work, but that's not how they showed it in the movie. In the movie they made both planes parallel to one another, which couldn't be done bc of the fins on the planes tails.
@daltonnabors2 жыл бұрын
@@MedusaOblongata the F5 has a single vertical stabilizer, and the F14 has twin vertical stabilizers so they could get pretty close with the F5 stab between the two on the F14. 2 meters would be maybe a foot of clearance between the tip of the stab and the body of the other aircraft.
@daltonnabors2 жыл бұрын
@@underleft True, the F14 was a big bird, and a damn fine one at that.
@nancyherlong91782 жыл бұрын
One thing I noticed was in the scene where Maverick returns to help Cougar, Goose says "we are running out of gas". Since aircrafts use fuel, it caught my attention the 1st and every time I've watched "TOP GUN". Thumbs UP for this video.
@davidsalinas16282 жыл бұрын
One thing I caught in the movie can be seen in this video at time stamp 6:37 you see 2 F-14's one of them has the Emblem for VF-25 which is know as Fist of the Fleet which was an F/A-18 squadron.