Se7en: The Perfect Riddler?

[@whatisantilogic138]

I had 4 more ideas that I didn't add because this video was taking way too long to make already. 2 of them were about Mills, Somerset and John Doe being a religious trinity and Somerset and JD were an angel and Devil on Mills shoulder. Another was that this was like the movie Cell (2000) and they were inside of JD's mind trying to find out where he left victims in real life. The last one was comparing the movie to a Chess game because of the chess opening codes hidden in the intro credits (D35 and C24). Too much technical stuff in all of those.

[@yehonathan]

Make a part II video! Would be great!

[@whatisantilogic138]

@Frequent Outburst I used to make custom skateboards and I was going to make a deck brand called Anti Logic and that was the logo.

[@Burner-B]

@@yehonathan here here!

[@davesmith7432]

Happy 4th bro. Have you seen “the Wendy theory”? I’m dying to know what you think.

[@srstriker6420]

@@whatisantilogic138 have you seen the movie War Dogs because I think it could have been a great penguin movie you know the Batman one

[@stefanpaunovic6702]

When that corpse guy took his breath...Man forget stereotype scary movies...That was something

[@tthompson4768]

Facts

[@gillriet773]

Someone told me they told the actors he was a dummy so when he came back to life those reactions are genuine, fun if true!

[@Chadski-22]

Still hits, even when you know its coming

[@Kingsessing]

@@gillriet773 that makes sense

[@CorbCorbin]

@@gillriet773 It was. Fincher hired 50 different teams of actors to play the cops, so he could still do 50 takes.

[@gp4236]

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[@millennial_weeb2382]

KZbin never notified me, I’m just now finding out.

[@cheat123]

true

[@johandrytenias1725]

I loved this video so much. Although one correction: The victim from the LUST crime is not a punishment for the prostitute but for the guy who hired her while being married

[@matute33]

yeah exactly, he made the guy wear that thing to k*lll her

[@indiatastic]

¿Porque no los dos?

[@brettuhl7818]

@@indiatastic could be

[@matute33]

@@indiatastic porque el pecado de el es mas grande

[@jeremymissens7608]

@@matute33 the only real sin is being catholic or Christian.

[@italianpeanut19]

You could add that most of the murders fit in with The Riddler theory when you remember that for every sin (Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride) there is a corresponding virtue (Chasity, Temperance, Charity, Diligence, Patience, Kindness, and Humility) . The first victim was Gluttony, John Doe gave him a test that he didn't know the question to. He could eat until his stomach exploded or he could have refused to eat and John would have killed him but he would have unknowingly chosen Temperance. All the victims final act's would have been the sin they were guilty of, or the corresponding virtue. You'd have look deep into scenes but you could see the the virtues were always there (at least in john's mind) they just had to guess right.

[@darkomen1290]

bro i just discovered your videos an hour ago and now ive just gotta watch all your stuff im hooked

[@bullseyestudios9068]

We need more crime movies like this

[@poopikins]

With better writing. I live the movie, but there's too many plot holes and sloppy writing.

[@bullseyestudios9068]

@@poopikins really? Were I'm really asking

[@sabbathjackal]

Watch a movie called "Strange Days" from the 90s

[@Platinum_Tugboat]

I love having that perspective shift. You have such a cool mind, these theories and these connections between other films are super interesting.

[@christopherdiamond495]

I really enjoy your work. That last theory about Somerset being the orchestrator of the killings in Se7en is awesome. And you're right about the different Jokers, too. I did not like Leto's Joker, but Ledger's Joker is much more a Riddler-type than the "real" Joker. The perspective shift helps me appreciate his performance much more.

[@nems0909]

This channel is an absolute gem. Keep up the high level work man. 👍

[@GodfatherofRamadi]

I love this movie. I remember going and seeing it in the theater before I left for Bootcamp. It's a stretch and I like where your head is at. I really enjoy your alternative prospective and theories on films. Outside the box thinkers. The world needs more like you. Keep cranking them out man. Loyal sub right here .

[@WordUnheard]

Man, these theories are great! I have to admit, you had me doubting the third theory. But by the time you were three minutes into it, you had me hooked.

[@Balibaliadashi]

Proof the KZbin algo is trash. I’m addicted to the sound of his voice and how insightful he is. I stumbled across him because someone irl told me about the channel. Hella underrated commentator.

[@whatisantilogic138]

😁

[@andyandlandon]

Such an underrated channel. Your videos never disappoint.

[@yehonathan]

Everything in this video, are perfect. Great theories as always, and your perspective on characters is awesome

[@ShaunC_TSG]

Damn. The last min of this was a mind blowing revelation! I never would have even thought Sommerset to have set up this whole thing as a theory. Wow. If only this amount of thought would go into movies today. Great job on this one! Seven is a CLASSIC!

[@HempioN721]

Thank you! I was looking for something in my KZbin feed worth watching, you sir have saved my day!

[@orionblack]

thank you for the joker bit, it is exactly wat i thought!

[@TheDarkestMarcus]

Wow dude, you're so good at breaking down different films. I'm gaining more appreciation for some of these movies thanks to your vids. I'm looking forward to you dropping more bangers in the future.

[@omarsaleem3076]

Stumbled across this video. “Seven” is one of my favorite movies and this break down was beyond dope! I smashed the like and subscribe button! Keep up the great work!!

[@whatisantilogic138]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@petrovthehero]

obsessed with your channel. keep up the good work!

[@jimmysandonato3403]

This is only my second time visiting this channel but it's easily becoming one of my favorite channels your theories are top teir and I love em can't wait to check out the rest of your content and can't wait to see what you bring up in the future

[@FunkyDGriffy]

Dude thank you so much I've been trying to remember the name to that Edward Lee series for literally 7 years

[@encognitusmaximus7598]

Movies like these always give us a great villian. And it's great to get more from them in other movies but they don't always turn out to be worth it. I've always love Mr. Brooks. His character is a big unknown with most people but really good.

[@masihkhosravi9875]

I've been watching ur channel for the past week!!!! Now I'm questioning my existence lol! But seriously fantastic channel man!

[@actuallynotsteve]

Goddamn man, you just keep putting out banger theories.

[@jacknitro9163]

How have I just found your channel dude. You are my new favorite creator. Can't wait to watch all your vids!

[@chriswhite1584]

Been waiting for this for a long time Brother..!! You are the Master..!! 👍 And only YOU, can make real sense out of all of these movies..!! Fucking Amazingly Brilliant..!! 👏

[@xrusted]

OMFGD YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The "hell" explanation is the best, most adequate theory I've ever heard about Se7en. Just incredible. Much respect.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Wish I had animation/drawing skills so that I could make your realistic batman rouges gallery into a proper fan project

[@davesmith7432]

The love the twisted way you think Anti!! Great video!

[@Thunderball.Mcgillicutty]

One of, if not the greatest movie of all time. My opinion

[@LiaMari]

Love it Wouldn’t it also be possible that Freeman’s and Spacey’s characters are from a deeper level of hell striving to bring Pitt’s character to lower levels?

[@kawh8719]

Just like your fight club theories, this one blew my mind!

[@RaidenRoach45]

Another vid and mind blown again thanks man. Hope the UC is getting better. I've had Crohn's 20 years it can be a pain to get under control.✌

[@whatisantilogic138]

I appreciate that.. Everything is good.

[@RaidenRoach45]

@@whatisantilogic138 I meant UC sorry man ,stay well.

[@jeremyFHNP]

You know what... Thank you sooo much for appreciating Leto's joker. And I finally have someone who is on my side and explaining why his joker was a great portrayal way better than i do... Hat's off to you

[@foxlancaster4044]

I love this channel so much that I don't even skip the ADS... ❤

[@hajileserpud9539]

Yes, yes !!! This theory ties up lots of confusing parts in the movie ... Seven !!! Thanks AntiLogic

[@katnicholson9976]

Oh wow! This was dope! I like the way you think.

[@Lux_Lethal]

Another awesome video from your amazing mind! I'm waiting to see how much your channel to blows up once the algorithm suggests one of your videos to a larger audience. I have faith! Until then, keep 'em coming!

[@DanielletheDriver]

omg yes i just happened to pass by

[@jeremyFHNP]

Thank you for explaining FIGHT CLUB too... It was an eye opener

[@Freakyfunk489]

Great work as usual, keep blowin my mind!

[@mickythemack4558]

This video just blew my mind! This guys movie knowledge is second to none

[@GeminibBorn]

This is pretty good. This would have made for one chilling story.

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

1:51 - AntiLogic basically explaining why people who get mad at him stretching the source material to make a creative case for entertainment purposes are stupid

[@sillyvance2202]

So I just found your channel & I just wanted to say WOW I am so impressed by your critical thinking into all your theories on it seems all of your videos but especially this one ❣️ I'm an instant fan..

[@MrKevinEaddy]

Also that Trent Reznar Score was amazing

[@darkservantofheaven]

Hell yeah Se7en: Gotham city before Batman John Doe is essentially a compisite Batman villain Riddler (testing the detectives as a game) Victor Zsas (nihilistic killer) Holiday Killer (substitute holidays with the sins)

[@andybackhand6542]

I'm glad that this video was made after what happened to Kevin Spacey. It's ok to still enjoy the movies that he was in. Art is art.

[@1stNumberOne]

Yea people have to learn to Separate things

[@vidura]

Of course it is, it always was and always will be. Stop visiting reddit too often so you don't get such infantile ideas.

[@kid_lucchese]

Your last theory made the most sense. Well done, kind sir. Now I have to rewatch se7en with different glasses.

[@Bentons-Crib]

absolutely loved this video

[@MrWilly2204]

Very interesting and detailed analysis, but I think you’re reaching real far on this one.

[@kaitzackpwong8411]

You make a lot of really interesting points in this one 🤔 👍

[@NolaChildTea]

New subscriber here and I just wanted to say thank you for this refreshing content.

[@gehenna4346]

You make wonderful content, keep it up ^^

[@gorespentwell4489]

Nice video so glad i found your channel

[@mikecupples1234]

To this day, Ive tried to re experience the feeling Se7en gave me. Only thing that comes close to it was the feeling after hereditary. This movie is legit 20/10

[@Real_LiamOBryan]

You might like Frailty.

[@ethan9920]

Doesn’t the scene where Mills chases JD and gets shot in the leg have quick camera cuts between JD and Somerset and they’re dressed relatively the same? It’s been a minute since I’ve seen the movie.

[@ethan9920]

@Niŋin turdl已 woah wait, you’re telling me Somerset has a limp too! Definitely going to have to but I mean, that’s another strange little thing they got in common

[@ethan9920]

@Niŋin turdl已 I shall watch it with a magnifying glass and let you know

[@atlanta2076]

Damn. You just outdid yourself!

[@faceman7966]

Dope video my g

[@MaskTheTruth1111]

These theories keep me up at night - Insomniac

[@keithbaker1951]

Love this channel!

[@coulboy19]

You are the best critic I have seen on KZbin. These fools stole your ideas months after you called it.

[@whatisantilogic138]

Someone stole my ideas?

[@coulboy19]

@@whatisantilogic138 yes. Would you like an example?

[@whatisantilogic138]

@@coulboy19 yes

[@skrtiee]

commenting to see the outcome

[@blakecastillo2474]

Interesting, i like you're theories homie.

[@mxx720]

I highly recommend reading earlier drafts of the script before shooting, and also learning about the scenes that were either planned/storyboarded and never shot, or were shot and cut out. They give a lot of context to the story. In the early scripts, John Doe's plan was to escape, and he killed Mills instead of Tracy. In one of the later shooting drafts, Somerset kills Doe instead.

[@mikey0698]

This video caused me to watch se7en for the 1st time and watching it from this perspective made it that much more interesting and intriguing.

[@amandamccormick5009]

Much more interesting than what? You have no idea what you are comparing it too. In Australia we call that 'blowing smoke up someone's ass..,et'

[@randic9688]

Okay, now all I can think about is how much I want to see Se7en in black and white.

[@spacecoffee89]

Yes!!!! With out dialogue just the intense music. I did like the sound track for the movie its self, they did amazing.

[@gloglebag]

You are insane. But in the best way possible. I wish I could chill with you once in a while.

[@tonightm60]

You was gone for a while but it was well worth the wait ✋ Just brilliant.

[@RuggedElefont]

Love the videos as always

[@nemonobody18]

Amazing video love your theories.

[@PaulLoh]

Oh, damn. That last one blew my mind, and it's entirely plausible. I'll have to rewatch it with that theory in mind.

[@olivevillanelle3524]

Mind is blown. TY for this! Now will have to re-watch with a fresh outlook.

[@ssh17hx0r]

You're an absolute genius. I hope some Hollywood writers are watching your channel.

[@uwulord7458]

Youre great. This was background noise til you said Heath Ledger was like the riddler. And socks blown clean off again!

[@AI_KICKS]

That theory sounds like the answer to the movie the little things

[@jancoombsvideoeditingreel942]

This analysis hit me like Darth Vader telling Luke he's his father. I remember seeing Se7en and The Usual Suspects at the cinema and noting the similarity between Spacey's characters in both. I didn't (couldn't?) make anything of it at the time but it's stayed with me ever since. Your whole Somerset angle is a true eye-opener though. It never occurred to me. Bravo.

[@l3LiTz]

The perfect Riddler is like Moriarty

[@usdescartes]

"Somerset was the mastermind." Mind. Blown. I'll have to re-watch it, but dang that would be perfect - 1. It gives him a pseudo-glorious moment. 2. It follows the trope of good cop turning bad (or going crazy) at the end of his career. 3. He clearly steered Mills in every step of the investigation, from giving him the correct literature to (essentially) goading/tricking him to illegally enter the apartment. 4. He might even have been doing it to show the city what true evil looked like in hopes of the people improving themselves; he even says it in his last narration/quote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." So he murdered seven people in this fight he says is worth it. Brilliant analysis, man!

[@sanfordgray5699]

You know looking at this way gives it a whole new life and now I actually like it now.

[@totalnerdboy]

Dude......brilliant!

[@deliriouszora]

Someone actually giving Suicide squad joker credit. Finally!

[@valentinvasquez761]

Wish he would acknowledge ZSJL too though. But someone else realizing ledger wasnt a joker made my day

[@IllIlIllIIIl]

Yes

[@jbrown577]

Very good video for me. I can easily see the ante inferno connection. Nice.

[@tortor0782]

Who would’ve thought that Kevin Spacey was just playing his real self in these evil roles....quite the twist!

[@justinv3512]

There's no better way to celebrate our independence than with a video from antilogic, am I right?

[@christeca]

This analysis makes the rewatch even more interesting

[@mandydecosta180]

I love the way u look at things. I'm gonpumped when u upload. U deserve more subs

[@omararellano6249]

New sub. Great videos so far.

[@ritchmedia7132]

holy f* shit this is good. Nice work

[@bennygerow]

I usually don't like your vids that pose weird ideas but this one is def among your best work. GG

[@joshuastencel28]

It's been two months dude. We need more genius content from you. Please!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you.

[@mathiascroqvist4719]

These were amazing theories about a wonderful movie.

[@rothmayproductions6588]

Your theories are very interesting! I've got another theory that you haven't covered. It is all to do with John Doe's speech in the car 'I'm setting the example and what I've done is going to be puzzled over, studied and followed forever'. What if the Envy Sin was not fully completed intentionally and purposefully, with JD's meticulous work being rumbled by someone like Detective Mills, leading to JD's Pride being the Sin he ultimately succumbs to and most importantly, being too Prideful to admit it. What if JD planned for someone to follow his example after his death, as he was no longer worthy, to complete the arc of Envy being the final Sin. I made a concept trailer to support this theory on my channel. Let me know what you think! 👍 Keep up the great work, loving your videos!

[@inshan3st3r]

"Ledger never seems like he enjoys seeing people suffer". Except when he's beating Bale or about to torture him with a knife.

[@ITz2NDNATURE]

Great As Always!

[@akilahcopeland559]

The Riddler strikes me a lot like my fav villian literally ever, Sir James Moriarty... but with a penchant for prose.

[@vonVile]

Jigsaw from Saw would be great Riddler. The Saw movies in atmosphere fit both Batman and Seven's universes.

[@NCsurvival1]

Is it wrong I always found John really whiny and way too willing to bend his own morals and character to match what he (the movie) needs to do?

[@darkservantofheaven]

More like a composite of Riddler and Ventriloquist (the puppet is essentially Scarface

[@SpaghettiYOLOKingTTV]

Dat White Bat BG music *chef's kiss*