Whats Inside Vans AVE Pro & Berle Pro (Which Shoe Is Better?)

Cutting both these shoes open Helped me realize why I liked one shoe better then the other one.
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it was pretty fun to make this video. let me know if you like videos like these. and also what shoes you want me to CUT UP NEXT???? I spend 2 hours cutting up these shoes chopping it down to 8 minute was pretty hard to do haha. love y'all. I think ima make a patreon. Hope you guys help out the channel and my future with KZbin. that would be amazing. Be able to still give my honest opinion and not need sponsors to support myself. :)

[@jacksonyoung9009]

the blue piece of plastic is called a shank. they’re put in boots to keep ur arches from getting messed up like climbing ladders n shit. they put em in the AVEs so they stay stiff and protect u from primo

[@hoogips1017]

Makes sense ig

[@rubenreyes3187]

I get it, so you don't break your foot in half of you land wrong.

[@SolidQuasar]

@@rubenreyes3187 you got it

[@Biggyshuvt]

you need a table saw to make the cutting process easier for you. highly recommend

[@christianflores]

I have a saw and a table. But i didn’t want to ask my dad to break it out haha.

[@Jesticles85]

i think a band saw would be better

[@matshidisosekgweleo9542]

Me:*watches him ruin good shoes* My mind:*👍I like that*

[@christianflores]

Lol nice.

[@addi3_sk89]

I love the variety of videos you’ve been doing

[@squarestanley]

I thought I was on the Rose & Anvil channel for a minute 😂. Great video, as usual.

[@samgremli962]

Same

[@AlexToma]

Hahaha. Me too

[@ioannisfugazi6952]

Dude, always hoped that guy would do a skate shoe , having Christian do one is 👍.

[@AlexToma]

Ioannis Alkiviades actually he did tore up a pair of vans sk8hi and the Vault model. But would love to see a pro

[@ioannisfugazi6952]

Oh yeah I have seen those reviews and thought they were great. The guy knows his stuff and though many of his recent reviews are not products I am personally interested in, I enjoy the honest peak behind the curtain.

[@62killab]

I've skated both. Personally, I love the Berle. They do take a minute to break in but I find them comfortable and extremely durable. I liked the AVE but they were far less durable.

[@forgottenhelm1299]

I cruise skate here and the Burle is fucking butter!

[@RaviCamadoo]

this was really interesting to watch. more like these please Christian! 😁

[@christianflores]

Gotcha mane. 👍👊

[@mihajlolukic506]

I am skating my berle for 6 months now and they are still holding together, I glued my ollie hole once and that's it

[@MrTripsJ]

i just got aves but berles look sick

[@drewbliss3044]

Yes! I think the Berles are so much better but I guess other people have different opinions

[@juanc.aguilar2029]

Love the Berle pros

[@charlestaylor4708]

Yeah bro shoe last foreverrrr

[@dc5v529]

For my berle pros for 50$ and they last me a year

[@OmnikouraBB]

I am hooked on the AVE pro, the shank saves my feet so much. Its crazy light and breathable, my feet don't overheat or sweat as much as other shoes. And the 3 layers on the toe cap is crazy good. Current fav shoe

[@lordquas1871]

Mine got a hole 1st day on the mesh Ollie kick area

[@bassert1966]

I love the Berle, good feel and grippy and think the AVE is slippery and feels like a ballet shoe

[@RafaAisen]

you dont have flick with the ave

[@bassert1966]

Its a strange shoe, the AVE Pro. maybe good for ballet? 🩰

[@RafaAisen]

@@bassert1966 rowan is the best

[@ryanensor7844]

ive probably skated 8 pairs of berle pros. i frikin love them. super durable

[@blocklirstuff]

this video reminded me of Rose Anvil and what he does to boots. in case you never heard of him, he cuts shoes in half and does deep analysis over what he finds out. he mostly does this to quality leather boots, but in the past he had dedicated to cutting sneakers. he did an episode over some regular Vans once but he never really got into cutting skate shoes in half, which is a bummer because i think that would be really interesting, finding out the construction differences from skate shoe to skate shoe, and how that translates to their performance. honestly Chris, i think that if you start doing more of these dissections, you're gonna fill in the niche that Rose Anvil left in the skating department, which is gonna be a huge service to the skating community. you could potentially expose how mediocre some overhyped shoes are, and in general just create interesting, helpful content for skaters. his channel is hugely informative and just fun. i personally would absolutely be addicted to this type of content, i have craved for it for such a long time. as for the construction of these two shoes, it doesn't surprise me that they have a similar upper construction. i think most Pro models from Vans have a similar upper construction, just from looking at the stitching on them. that tongue shape you demonstrated in the video is technically called a winged tongue construction, which is super interesting because it's a very archaic form of construction that i wasn't aware Vans used. it does make sense for them to use some sort of winged construction considering the DuraCap layer, but I'm curious to know whether the suede on the outside of the tongue also extends down the sides of the shoe, because that was something you didn't really show in detail. it looks like the tongue doesn't flange out to the sides, and the DuraCap is simply glued to a layer of fabric, but i would like to see in more detail. I'm also curious to know how the Pro Classics are constructed, because, afaik, none of those seem to have a winged tongue, just from looking at the stitch lines, but they also seem to have a relatively wide toecap which probably covers the whole length of the DuraCap. but the big difference i can see in these is the sole construction. the Berles are so freaking disappointing. you would think that, since it is a cupsole shoe, there would be more layers in the sole, but no, it is just a rubber outsole with a stitched insole on top. that is ridiculously garbage quality, you can compare it to any respectable cupsole skate shoe out there, which will always have some sort of midsole. Nike Air Jordans are cups and they obviously have that Air midsole and Emerica has photos of their shoes cut in half, and you can really see the difference in the soles of their cup shoes vs. their vulc shoes, the main difference being how much more cushioning cups have in the midsole and how the vulc shoes need to overcompensate with their insoles. honestly, with the Berles, i don't see much reason for it to be a cup instead of a vulc. the main advantage of cupsoles is that you don't put them inside an oven like you do in vulcs, which would usually compromise the structure of the materials in the sole. this allows the producer to put certain materials in the sole of cupsoles that wouldn't be possible in vulc shoes. but since the Berles have absolutely nothing for a midsole, what even is the point? although i don't personally like the AVEs, they're definitely more respectable than the Berles. at the very least, they have a reason to be cupsoles with that midsole foam + plastic shank which is very interesting, as well as a layer of fiberboard between the midsole and the insoles, which the Berles don't even have the decency to have. if you end up doing more of this in the future, which i seriously wish you do, I'd like to see more attention to the heel counter of the shoes. they're extremely important for the shoe overall, not only for skating. I'd love to know the shape of the heel counter, the materials it's made out of and in which layer it is stuffed inside the construction of the shoe. I'd also be interested to know about the padding, where it begins and ends and also how thick it is. Tabletile. this video was amazing

[@christianflores]

Woah! Thanks for all the thought! Yeah I think I’ll make more like this. I’ll pay more attention to the how it’s put together like you were saying and just do 1 shoe at a time.

[@carlost5k874]

I skated both shoes and in my opinion the AVE was much better because it lasts longer

[@brannonmoser6904]

I’m getting ave pros as my next skate shoes because of this video

[@christianflores]

Nice. 👍

[@christianflores]

You should try the Berle later and see what you liked more.

[@paulistastars]

Great Idea, like the jerryrigseverything, you make durability test and Tear down. cool

[@driftlessskater5475]

Table tile. I thought the AVE was more comfortable, but way less durable.

[@amielmamaril4456]

I like this concept of video👍 plus I’m pretty sure deconstructing shoes you hated will help let out frustration on how bad they felt skating them😆

[@izwanmansor2179]

He is right,this is the best shoe review on KZbin..I really hope u have more like and subscribe in future,keep up the good work.

[@christianflores]

Thanks man 🙏❤️

[@Damoforce]

You know how people have gear madness with Skateboarding, you sire have shoe madness... and I love it!

[@jabbadavidson5552]

thank you for this content. your weekly uploads don’t just need to be shoe reviews. this kinda content is sick

[@jasmineberry3404]

Table tile ⭐️

[@vlajd]

In my opinion the AVE are the best shoes Vans has made so far.

[@sqito]

That table do be innovative

[@christianflores]

Haha

[@PHeMoX]

Alternative title: Vans shoes *_EXPOSED_* _l I t e r a l l y_

[@Jesticles85]

That plastic on the arch area of the AVE is called a shank and it's there to stabilize the sole and keep it from bending in half in the middle. it's probably there because the outsole is so thin that it doesnt provide much support on it's own. Boots with heels usually have these and they are sometimes made out of metal.

[@lp_6014]

Loved this content, never seen anyone else do this before

[@fernandoreyes680]

I definitely want to get some AVEs and test them out for myself. They are definitely slimmer than what I'd like but everyone recommends them so I feel like I gotta give them a chance. The berle I'll probably never buy just because the insole is stiched in. That's a deal breaker for me

[@isaacguevara6147]

The table tile gives a good aesthetic and this video is cool since we get to see what makes up the shoes 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@mila2428]

OMG. I’m a total shoe nerd. I was totally hooked watching this, haha, really interesting seeing what’s inside

[@SimplySergMX_arts]

That black thing it ain’t fir arch support , it’s to protect your feet from lading your feet primo on your board.

[@McChud87]

I’m actually on my 5th pair of the Berle’s and I love this shoe but I’ve always wanted to try the AVEs. Your review has me convinced to give the Van Engelen’s a go next time 👍🏻

[@DavidBluetile]

so just to point something out.... the Berle was designed without a midsole/lasting board. all that was built into the actual cupsole. which is why the tread on the Berle is so deep. so the insole was stitched in because there is no midsole. the idea was that the sole would double as the midsole and outsole. sole sole sole.... not sure if it was a good idea. but that was the idea. haha.

[@DavidBluetile]

im replying to myself because I'm dumb. the Ave has a midsole. like most (all other) shoes. the Berles outsole is heavier because it is designed to also act as the midsole.... again... reference the deep channels of grip in the Berle. like almost shafts of waffle cup on that heal....

[@michaelgoldberg7018]

The AVE PRO is WAAAYYY better than the Berle PRO. Skated both shoes. Berle PRO was too stiff in the outsole and the AVE PRO broke in really quick and the Cup Sole in that shoe performed like a Vulcanized.

[@christianflores]

Yeah a agree with you *

[@AMAZINGCLIPS890]

New series👍

[@pariss.6257]

The Black plastic is when you Land primo so it doesn't hurt so much.

[@fernandoreyes680]

Dude I really dig these comparison videos. I hope you get to do more in the future. Air Jordan 1 high vs SB Dunk high would be super cool but super expensive lol. If you wanna do other Vans I feel like the Kyle Walker 1s and the Crockett have a very similar shape too. And the absolute ultimate challenge would be the Adidas 3st.001 vs 3st.002 vs 3st.003 vs 3st.004

[@MasterSplinter-cd1df]

Time for some Magic with the Axion

[@christianflores]

I need to get some

[@bryanflo4500]

The shank is not there to provide arch support (but perhaps is also colored that way for aesthetics). The shank is supposed to provide structural stability which many skate shoes lack.

[@christianflores]

Yo cousin. Lol. And yeah maybe. But is that part the shank? I fail to see how that little pice of rubber or Plastic helps. Haha

[@bryanflo4500]

@@christianflores Qué onda, primooo! I believe it's the shank, yeah. I suppose I should add that in this case, the hard plastic adds stability in that it makes the shoe more rigid overall. It won't flex as much or flop out compared to a conventional skate shoe sans shank. The material it's made of is kind of arbitrary. A lot of dress shoes have a wooden shank in their centers for the same reason!

[@nurzhanzhilisbaev1236]

Hey Christian you should do a rewiew on last resort VM001 SUEDE

[@christianflores]

Get some. Prob in a few weeks.

[@tehkoaler5151]

the shank is for landing primo so it doesn't hurt. it works very well in my experience with the shoes!

[@horseslaughterhouse3404]

I bmx and vans are a shoe from heaven

[@callisto]

I need to see the awesome yellow crocs dissected!

[@rubenreyes3187]

Try the Rowley remakes, their wider around the little digits.

[@reapmo7526]

Use a band saw, hack saw or jig saw might make it easier to cut in half

[@AdventuresInSkateboarding]

This is great. Very interesting and you kept it engaging. Tile table top is fancy.

[@MatheusZumbi]

This videos format is great too!

[@daviddavis729]

Will you review the josh kalis DC pro shoe

[@thatdudearmando9092]

U should do lakai riley 2 !!!!

[@daltoncarter916]

The thin plastic shank is to make it stiffer

[@zapruderr]

Yo this idea is so sick! Please deconstruct more shoes!

[@bett431]

With this whole boardfeel trend, shoe companies started to simply take mid soles away that they ve developed/researched and started to market the cheaper shoes as "boardfeel" shoes. When Vans started to offer cupsoles again they didnt even bother developing/buying different material for their midsoles. They just made the Berle without one and the Ave with 2 stacked insoles and sold those for ridiculous prices. Also that piece of plastic helps when you primo, that's something I wanted in a skate shoe for ever.

[@ryanmeeks9998]

A.V.E pro all day even on sundays!!!!!!

[@tompkinssquaretrackclub]

a slice down the center of both to see the cross-section would be nice in the future, it could help show differences in insole/outsole shapes between the two. and would probably be less work than slicing out all the stitches

[@christianflores]

Wow. You smart. I agree. Thanks I’ll do that next time.

[@danielkoster8510]

Crazy, the berles are by far my fav. vans shoe I've ever skated.

[@colinmccardell2686]

Man I love your videos. also love the table tile

[@jovan7716]

Aves are a really good skate shoe.

[@christianflores]

Nice. I didn’t like em.

[@gunfun7772]

The plastic shank also makes landing premo less hurtfull

[@robpetty8083]

The arch support? Maybe primo protection? Also table tile

[@christianflores]

Ayyyyy you know. And yes maybe.

[@sterlingh1256]

Berle pro one the best looking vans shoes it’s skate pretty good but pebbles get stuck in the sole

[@roibinvandersteene6310]

I skated both. And i actually prefer the berle's. The ave's where so weird feeling to me.

[@reedosaurus]

I’m not a fan of cupsoles but the Berles were actually comfortable for me. I hate how little pebbles get caught in the outsoles though.

[@aprilnoss9841]

You should review the adidas matchcourt

[@Exploitedyouth2004]

So the AVE has a midsole and insole like a traditional cupsole shoe. The Berle despite being a cupsole is more like a vulc shoe with just an outsole and an insole. Even if it's technically a midsole since there is no insert it's functions as the insole

[@victorr_o4]

Nice to See Dan doing Shoe reviews

[@romannambo8912]

Do a Review of the ÉS Quattro, por favor wey!

[@samuelnatera5360]

Review the vans rowley rapidweld pro, vans style 112, vans chukka low, vans Kyle walker, vans ultrarange pro, vans rowan pro, vans gilbert crockett 2 pro, vans sk8-low pro,

[@AllMyAlliesAreDead]

Footprint Intercept would be definitely an interesting one :)! Also, have you seen any hint of Duracap™ during your shoes teardown? Its presence always seemed quite mystical to me...

[@AlexToma]

AllMyAlliesAreDead but it feels different on pro models vs regular ones. Or maybe it’s just in my head 🤔

[@Liluglyfailure]

I hated skating the ave pros and I haven’t skated the Berles but my friend has. He really liked them for their thick outsoles because that’s where he blows out the fastest and the toe cap mad it last 10 times longer. The Aves were hard and hurt my feet for the whole time I skated them and all my flip tricks felt off. The suede toe cap felt more like a plastic one because if it’s hard thickness. Overall I didn’t really like the ave pros and my friend liked the berles so do what you want with that info

[@sasaprodanic3785]

Great operation dr.CF CF the Ripper

[@christianflores]

I got my doctors degree at Harvard shred university

[@sasaprodanic3785]

@@christianflores respect dr.CF

[@moacirg.dsratliff1244]

Soty

[@joeschmoe5009]

Table tile. We need more footprint shoes!

[@christianflores]

Ayyyyyyy. You a real one. 👊

[@joeschmoe5009]

@@christianflores i recently bought the 3st.004 cuz of your videos, but now im interested in neens footprint shoes, or new balance numeric 425 cuz they also have wide fits and i got the wide foots, so hopefully we get 1 of those soon ;)

[@anahadsharma8249]

You forgot one thing, the ave has a plastic primo pad in the outsole which is that black thing you see

[@eggshells7514]

Can you review the janoski hyperfeels?

[@christianflores]

Didn’t know there was a difference with em.

[@christ9mbs3]

If you have a sharp enough blade cut them through the middle and show us a cross section. There's another shoe channel, that doesn't do skate reviews, who does something similar to this.

[@kanyawncodege564]

table tile🔥

[@awsometownnuked]

I skated both of these shoes. Hated the AVEs they felt crunched down and had the worst flick. I love the Berle pros. The weight I actually like and if you get a half size up and throw Fp insoles in it it’s great. I’m on my second pair of Berles and still loving em.

[@christianflores]

That’s a good idea.

[@moacirg.dsratliff1244]

Again, we need a neen Williams intercept pro shoe off of footprint, why not the nyjah 2 as the 2020 sory

[@Koko-et6rg]

Cause the joslin is better

[@JoeyQ12345]

@@Koko-et6rg Yeah Etnies is a lot better than Nike.

[@bulgab3007]

Good stuff my dude appreciate what you have been doing ! Do you think the new release last resort tab are just a better version of vans ? Will you be reviewing them in the future 🙏🏼 🤘

[@Mrmannycalvera]

The only problem of Berle pro model is that the the bottom sole traps all the tiny rocks and pebbles which scratch on your grip tape. I have hated them. And as soon as they were worn out I switched again to TNT which are the best probably

[@grego9097]

I still would pick the AVE pro over Berle’s pro because of the “removable” insole and for being lighter in weight.

[@christianflores]

Yeah maybe. I looks like it’s the entire outsole that makes it way heavier.

[@lilg_aming1736]

If you do a dunk review, skate them until they are absolutely destroyed

[@christianflores]

Ahhhhh prob not. Because I want to wear them later. Lol

[@brucemartin9876]

Yoooooooooooooooooo can you please make a review on a wknd deck

[@AtomicPunk820]

I haven’t skated in neither one of them, but I own both shoes and love the Berles over the Aves!! I find the Berles are more comfortable than the Aves. The Aves are a better looking shoe though.

[@christianflores]

Yeah they were pretty goood

[@Gh_cle]

Yessssiiiirrrr, love these types of videos

[@robertolopez2282]

Love this bro

[@Thesevideostrash]

Do this with the Tiago or kwalk2

[@aldente9470]

shoe anatomy class

[@temkas6049]

I’ve never skated them before bc they too expensive but I think the Berle pro would be more durable so I’m choosing the Berle pros

[@sims.3852]

Chima pros for life

[@joshhenry2446]

I am the opposite I liked the Berle pro and didn’t like the ave pro. But like the video idea of dissection of a shoe.

[@JoeyQ12345]

You blew out the Kyle Walker 1 vans shoe on the ride channel pretty sure

[@christianflores]

I did? I’ll go back and look. I think your right. Lol. Damnit. I forgot.

[@christianflores]

I did? I’ll go back and look. I think your right. Lol. Damnit. I forgot.

[@JoeyQ12345]

@@christianflores lmao

[@marionellisgudoy2058]

Do this content on the joslin's 1 and 2 cupsole

[@SteezyG]

I have the ave pro and I love them aside from the ankle protection. I love clear weather shoes for their padding around the ankle and the same with half cabs. Not much there on the AVE.

[@edgarrauda7697]

christian, how have you kept your quality so good since the ride channel days

[@lukast5904]

PLEEAAASEE DO MORE OF THESE sooo sick

[@davidtaibii5122]

do nike dunks for your next review there expense but i’m curious

[@AlexToma]

Please make this a series!

[@gfeast4518]

Could collab with that one guy that always takes apart shoes he could give a better analysis of the materials and build quality while you can provide feedback on the skateability 🤙

[@danielshannon2581]

Yo Christian you should do a review of the new Vans Rowley Rapidweld shoes!

[@christianflores]

Ahhhh. Bet it’s good if it’s got that rapid weld.

[@xFaMoUzxKR3Wx]

Can you please review the last resort VM0001?!!!!!