Whats My Range in the F-150 Lightning in the COLD?

Charging and Range test in the Cold. Have a Look!
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[@mikefrey123]

Wow, that's quite the difference of range from when you first left your house. I can't imagine how fast the battery would debleat in our up north canadian winters of -15F or colder!

[@evdave528]

I’ll do some warm weather testing of the lightning stay tuned

[@joeladner430]

I love your content, I picked up my Lighting last week and love it.

[@evdave528]

Hi to really love the lightning however, the user interface and the mapping navigation absolutely suck but you can work around it using Google Maps on your phone and a little bit of application stuff on your phone

[@brentftaylor]

Looking forward to getting my Lightning. I have a LR Model3 and a dual motor ModelY. The Y doesn’t seem to benefit much from slower speeds, but in the 3 it makes a significant difference

[@danielholland8255]

You will love your lightning

[@tweetybird7668]

aerodynamics is a huge factor in efficiency, my streamlined low coefficient of friction EV6 was getting me about 3.5miles/kwh driving a few miles over speed limit. My wife would get about 4.1 because she drives at or below speed limit.

[@tweetybird7668]

that Ford Lightning is like driving a billboard and any head wind, cold temperatures destroy range

[@Japplesnap]

Only Ford would build a high tech EV and use a radio antenna from the 1980s.

[@LJ-jq8og]

😂

[@mowcowbell]

Actually Stellantis is guilty, too. The Jeep Wrangler still has one of those huge steel mast antennas.

[@Japplesnap]

@@mowcowbell LoL....Jeep Wrangler isn't a high tech EV. It's an old school off-road vehicle. And they make a hybrid version too, but again that's not an EV.

[@rusticroads]

Only a commenter more interested in trying to be recognized for making a clever negative comment would do so without trying to find an answer to his own comment. The mast antenna provides better range in fringe/remote areas. Some people actually use trucks outside of the city, where radio reception is more difficult. Not clever by a long shot. At least now, you don’t have ignorance as an excuse.

[@LJ-jq8og]

@@rusticroads Whether you are correct or not on the silly antenna issue, the reality is FORD will FAIL🔥 absent help from the evil UAW/Biden BS-artists, spending my grandchildren's money, with GOVT bail-outs, running our country INTO the ground... I suspect Ford's FARLEY will be fired if not a least marginalized for his very recent RARE admissions that his FORD EV designers SUCK and screwed up on the design of FORD's premiere EV designs... The legacy auto MFTRS will die at their own hands due to their incompetence and GREED ripping off the American people..

[@rusticroads]

Instead of the charging screen, which is better suited to charging info, you may want to look at the usage screen, which shows your usage for trip that splits it up between driving, accessories, temperature, etc. that would tell us how much the outside temp had an effect on your usage, as well as the amount the truck used for heating you and the cabin.

[@evdave528]

I am aware of that screen, it’s kind of history as it updates slowly. I’d prefer some real-time readings

[@rusticroads]

With all the BlueCruise and Co Pilot driving that you’ve done so far, have you experienced any phantom braking? All those shadows from the trees over the freeway look like they would be prime causes for throwing off the cameras, but the radar probably eliminates that issue.

[@ascenttev6022]

Bullseye 🎯

[@evdave528]

My experience is a couple phantom breaks but moreover it is way sloppier in driving it has trouble in staying in the lane sometimes and the worst part it will just doing and stop driving, you best be holding on.

[@danielholland8255]

Why didn’t you pre-condition david? And in that cold, 1.5 kinda makes sense. I drive to work here in NJ and a 75 mile ride to work yields about 1.6 at 75 and 30F

[@Crunch_dGH]

Great test! Have you tried hooking up to a NACS charger to see how they do vs CCS? Does Tesla charge you much more for NACS? If you’re at a crowded NACS, will you be automatically disconnected soon as the last open bay is taken by a Tesla?

[@evdave528]

I’ve got both NACS and J1772 for AC in the garage, AC power is there same except the NACS can put out more power in my garage. J1772 can be handle 80 amps also if wired so. The effect would be the same if both were 80 amps

[@thisismalhotra]

Dave those temperature gauges work, assuming the weather just has not affected them. I live in upper Midwest and if the truck is parked outside all day the batter temp gauge definitely falls down

[@evdave528]

In 25 degrees sitting overnight they still did not move, I have my doubts

[@581rma]

Good point about the antenna but if you reduce the antenna size, it will cut the reception range for those low power a.m. stations

[@Japplesnap]

Nobody listens to a.m. radio. Actually, nobody listens to radio period. Only Boomers, and even then not many.

[@mowcowbell]

@@Japplesnap I switched the media input to FM on my Wrangler 4xe for about a minute. The deluge of commercials had me quickly switching back to Android Auto/Spotify. First mod I did to the Jeep was install a rubber stubby antenna.

[@paulf9585]

Thank you for posting this. I am leaving next weekend on a Denver to Houston run in my Lariat Lighting and was wondering what level you had the heat on while you were on your drive? I was planning on bundling up pretty warm in the truck and using the seat heater as my primary source of heat in order to extend range. I would like to get 1.7kW per mile while doing 75mph through eastern Colorado and Kansas. Seems like this might be achievable based on what you posted in the video.

[@evdave528]

The lightning uses resistive heating in therefore is very inefficient the best way to do it set the temperature at 65°. It will actually be closer to 68° in the cabin for whatever reason I don’t know why and turn your seat heat on and you don’t need to bundle up or anything it’ll be just fine. Your biggest problem in road tripping with the lightning is to locate fast chargers along your way as the user interface and the mapping sucks but if you pay attention, you should have a good trip

[@paulf9585]

@@evdave528 Thanks for sharing. I have done the first leg of the trip, the one from Denver to Houston. It is no surprise that the truck does not like the extreme cold - like 20 degrees and below. When you add in traditional highway speeds the truck will not do 1.7kWh per mile. For the first part of my drive temps were extremely cold so I had to do like 68mph on the hwy to achieve 1.7kWh or 1.8kWh per mile. When I hit Texas and temps got to 50 degrees and above I started to see better efficiency at higher speeds. I was getting 1.8kWh per mile at 72mph. I absolutely do not use the Ford navigation for charger location, I have done the drive several times in my Taycan so I know all of the Electrify America chargers between Denver and Kansas City and down I-35 to Dallas.

[@MegaBbqbbq]

So you went 189 miles at 100% charge, how long to charge back up to 100%?

[@evdave528]

On a high power CCS charger 10% to 80% is 45-55 minutes. Charge rate drops by 50% to 50kw over 80%.

[@thomasjacques5286]

Three questions: 1) how big is the battery, 2) how many kWs did you use, and 3) what would the wh/mi be for us Tesla guys?

[@bluedog9935]

3) It’s gotta be over 600 wh/mi. Which for us Tesla guys is a butt load.😊 And I’m gonna guess that it’s about 130 KW battery - 125 KW was used to travel the 188 miles. Hope it does better in warmer weather…

[@pepstein]

1.5 mi/kWh = 667 Wh/mi You calculate it like this: 1000 / 1.5 = 667 And you convert back the same way: 1000 / 667 = 1.5

[@evdave528]

The lightning battery is 131 kWh. The conversion to water hours per mile take 1000 divided by the kilowatt hours per mile so it would be 1000 divided by say 1.5 like one of the responders to this question indicates it is a Lotta power you’re dragging that heavy square vehicle through the air.

[@Clifford2601]

Hi David, I’m looking at a flash for my first ev. Do you think the heat pump will help? Did you precondition on this voyage? I’m in Chicago and have a 60 mile round trip commute.

[@evdave528]

By a tesla you will thank me. Legacy auto is not state of the art. Really, buy a Model Y and use my referral link to save an additional $1000

[@evdave528]

Yes you need a heat pump,

[@rmkep]

Thanks for the interesting range test Dave. Your Blue Cruse isn't quite what the "scientists" at Consumer Reports indicate in their recent ADA systems testing. It has Ford, GM and virtually all other ADA systems much better than FSD. In fact they state Teslas FSD system has had no major improvements since it's inception. I used to respect Consumer Reports but this amazingly ignorant report is proof that Consumer Reports is no longer credible. Looking forward to your ADA test Dave.

[@evdave528]

I’ve driven Tesla Autopilot for 5 years now and it’s steadily improved over the years. In my opinion Blue Cruise is equivalent to what has in my original model X in February AP2 2017. Watch for a more detailed video on what to expect on BC

[@Murman1973..]

Hope you can do a even colder drive sometime

[@mikeyc8139]

I'm OCD so pardon me for asking this but after seeing it in every Lightning video, I now have to ask. Does the driver's display behind the steering wheel (I refuse to call it a binnacle because that belongs on boats) still have a plastic protective film on it? Or is it just a bit smeared/dirty?

[@evdave528]

The display has always been fuzzy. You know I’ll look at it I don’t think so. I think it may have a light layer of dust on it so I’ll check but I’m with you it’s not as clear as it should be.

[@pa60pilot]

Water can exist as supercooled liquid below the freezing point. You'll notice as soon as the bottle is shaken, the water inside freezes.

[@irfanhusein1445]

My admiration for the F 150 lightning increases with every video you post. I prefer SUV’s to trucks so I’m hoping Ford produces the electric version of the Explorer soon. I prefer my Mach E over my model 3 so I’ll stick with Ford.

[@Crunch_dGH]

Just wondering, how do you like your hardly ever working properly, “born brain dead,” VW Penitence CCS based chargers compared to the “always working easy & well” NACS ones?

[@irfanhusein1445]

@@Crunch_dGH so I have 40,000 miles on the Mach E. On occasion one or more chargers are down but I’ve never had an issue charging at electrify America. I charge to stop at baker California on my way to Las Vegas from Los Angeles, whether I take the Mach e or the model 3, because this stop has both the Tesla chargers and electrify America next to each other. It’s not uncommon to see a Tesla charging at the EA site here and I’ve done it myself as well, because it charges faster and the price per KWh is cheaper. I base my choice solely on my own experiences. And I prefer the Ford product over the Tesla.

[@mikea5424]

Mine will be red to.

[@andrewward4246]

lol so much anxiety you cant use heat and have to keep your jacket on? I will wait another 10 years before I consider an EV hopefully solid state batteries can make them better than ICE's one day

[@pepstein]

This was just his attempt at being scientific. If he’d set the heater to 72° it would have reduced range further, but that’s not the end of the world. If you’re looking for an EV that has less range loss when using the heater, look for ones with heat pumps. These days Tesla is the best at maintaining range in the winter. Remember, the reason your ICE can keep you warm without using any extra gas is because it’s always wasting most of the energy in that gas. It is precisely because EVs are so damned efficient that they don’t have much free heat.

[@andrewward4246]

@@pepstein efficient but not enough cold weather range and not enough charging infrastructure. Tesla I would maybe consider, but I will still wait until both improve.

[@pepstein]

@@andrewward4246 you won't have to wait that long, as batteries are improving rapidly. Hopefully US public charging will improve significantly in the years ahead, but if not you can always go with a Tesla. Cheers.

[@evdave528]

You missed the test parameters setup…

[@JackRusselMan]

So in other words electric cars aren’t there yet.

[@LJ-jq8og]

ESPECIALLY. non-tesla products by legacy MFTRS... They SUCK !!!!

[@robintaylor1490]

That's painting with a broad brush. Not all OEMs are created equal. In the last few years, there has been a lot of improvements with some manufacturers and not so much with others.

[@LJ-jq8og]

@@robintaylor1490 When it comes to EVS all OEMs suck other than Tesla... It is a sad fact but the truth... EVEN Fords Falrey is just admitting his lightning and mach-e designs suck and he is cancelling all the design team bonuses ! The liberals hate this truth and they wanted ot crush Elon for the WORNG reasons when Elon is bringing the USA🇺🇸 jobs, prestige and taxes.... Sickening when you think about the treasonous anti-elon vitriol...

[@pepstein]

The reason ICE vehicles maintain relatively consistent fuel economy in cold weather and at high speeds is because they’re always wasting most of the energy in the gas. This provides a useful source of heat for the cabin, but it’s terribly wasteful. EVs are so efficient that there isn’t much waste heat available to heat the cabin. In city driving EVs capture energy during braking, hence their higher city efficiency. That explains why EV range varies so much with speed and temperature. It’s not the end of the world. This particular EV is quite inefficient compared to most others, and it lacks a heat pump, so cabin heating is also relatively inefficient. Despite this, it’s perfectly capable of road tripping.

[@evdave528]

Yeah, I would expect that you would say that but you’re absolutely incorrect electric cars are here to stay as proven by Tesla, the Ford however, need some updating and some work to be state of the art like Tesla cars