What's My Line? - Carol Channing & Ginger Rogers; Lucille Ball; M Douglas [panel] (Jul 25, 1965)

[@Beson-SE]

The more I see of Carol Channing the more I love her. I don't mind her talking all the time, she has a natural "joie de vivre" that makes me very happy. :)

[@savethetpc6406]

I don't know if Ginger Rogers had an unusually small head or if Carol Channing's was particularly large, but when they're sitting right next to each other I can't help noticing that Carol's head is much larger than Ginger's! (And no, it's not just the hair; look at their faces.) I'm also amazed at how young Ginger Rogers looks here. This was the same year that she played the queen (Prince Charming's mother) in the televised production of Rogers and Hammerstein's Cinderella, and I always thought she looked quite matronly in that.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8pO3FIlUKTEAbR.JzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIza2NtbzQwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANkODcxZWEyNzkwOTY5MmU2MTc0NWU0YzBmZjk0OWY3YwRncG9zAzEyBGl0A2Jpbmc-?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Dginger%2Brogers%2Bin%2Bcinderella%26fr%3Dyfp-t-901-s%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D12&w=736&h=1059&imgurl=media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F82%2F62%2F9d%2F82629d6e5f5231be2b0bef55ac25e6d9.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F65935582017375284%2F&size=97.7KB&name=%3Cb%3EGinger%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3ERogers%3C%2Fb%3E+as+the+Queen+%3Cb%3Ein+Cinderella%3C%2Fb%3E&p=ginger+rogers+in+cinderella&oid=d871ea27909692e61745e4c0ff949f7c&fr2=&fr=yfp-t-901-s&tt=%3Cb%3EGinger%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3ERogers%3C%2Fb%3E+as+the+Queen+%3Cb%3Ein+Cinderella%3C%2Fb%3E&b=0&ni=72&no=12&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11f1sr0db&sigb=13tq82eh7&sigi=12dk4pivm&sigt=11te060j0&sign=11te060j0&.crumb=QTy6T5f5KNS&fr=yfp-t-901-s

[@chuckendweiss4849]

I saw Miss Channing on Broadway in 1962 In a word brilliant and very very funny

[@JulianKostuik]

Johan Bengtsson The more I see Carol Channing, The more I think of the impression that Ryan Stiles makes on Whose Line.

[@TheVerbalVolley]

Me, as well. She had such a zest for life and was so ebullient. There is a short You Tube video of her and Lucille Ball together on "Password", and it is absolutely hilarious. They had such chemistry together, and I found myself scratching my head and wondering why they never did anything together professionally. Such a missed opportunity.

[@frankprovasek5394]

@@savethetpc6406 Miss Rogers in sitting in an extra chair BEHIND Channing and Daly, not next to them.

[@1928gerry]

RIP Carol Channing January 31, 1921 - January 15, 2019 She brought so much pleasure to so many people.

[@donnawoodford6641]

That was a long life.

[@saran3214]

I saw her once, in person. She passed right by me. She was dazzling, like a light bulb was on inside her. Very striking.

[@inkyguy]

Not many people were aware that Carol Channing was African American. Her father was Black and her mother was White.

[@dawnfalvey6766]

There were some great women on the show tonight- Lucy, Arlene,Dorothy, Ginger, and Carol. Amazing talent. Love them all. I was born in the 70s , so they were a bit before my time. I love WML. I’m so glad there are people who take the time to create KZbin channels like these so we of the younger generations get to see these wonderful performers. I watch these with my kids , who also enjoy them. I hope they will appreciate these entertainers too. Thank you so much for uploading these.

[@ginnylorenz5265]

Dear Dawn, It's lovely to read of your appreciation of these shows from long ago. I was born in 1941, so I grew up watching them. Your kids are lucky to have you for their Mom. Best wishes to you all.

[@JG-op4de]

Lucy's voice is so recognizable.

[@shayduncan7328]

How? Because I couldn't understand what she said when she's "that's my something voice".

[@sjcohen4444]

Shay Duncan I think she said her witch's voice. She spoke like that when she played the queen of the gypsies in Lucy Writes an Operetta.

[@shayduncan7328]

Oh yeah, thanks SJ Cohen

[@harlowmansfield8222]

Lucille Ball was gorgeous...

[@LazyIRanch]

Just one of the many reasons everyone seems to love Lucy!

[@philippapay4352]

@Harlow Mansfield - Lucy was a Conover model when she first got to NYC. It was quite prestigious back in the day to be a Conover model. The only other big firms competing with them were Powers Agency and Thornton Agency on their scale. You had to be drop-dead gorgeous to work for these agencies. And she was so.

[@sallyphillips2125]

I Love Lucy! My Mom looked like Lucy and my Dad looked like Mr. Robert Mitchum!!!!

[@yamil.343]

@@sallyphillips2125wow they must’ve made a beautiful couple.

[@edgeworldpictures6831]

Amazing women - Carol, Ginger and Lucille. Lucy acknowledges the upper deck of the audience. I've never seen a guest to that. So very comfortable on any stage - smooth.

[@brucek1102]

yes, she did that all the time, she was very grateful for her fans

[@chope6786]

I happened to be on the same flight as Ms. Channing around 2016 from Seattle to Boston. They Announced her name with her permission I assume, and a few people clapped, but I was so giddy in the back of the plane. She was the white queen in the 1980s Alice in Wonderland and that was my first time seeing her, as a child. Later when we landed, I saw her being pushed by an assistant in a wheelchair, and I got up the gumption to go over and thank her and tell her her impact. She was so gracious and grabbed my hand, smiled so sweetly, and said with that signature, voice “oh, thank you, dear!”What an absolute legend.

[@patricia7823]

I had the privilege in the 80's of meeting Miss Channing. I worked at an answering service and she needed help with something off premises with ok of my boss. Great fun and funny. I miss her every now and again when I'm in the neighborhood.

[@riveranormanf.8770]

Stunning Lucille Ball, by the this time in 1965, she was the most powerful woman in Hollywood and one of the most powerful women in the United States, Co-founder of DESILU STUDIOS which employed 800 people.

[@nathaniliescu4597]

Slight over exaggeration about the power but beauty certainly cannot be overstated. Cheers.

[@riveranormanf.8770]

@@nathaniliescu4597 She was. :)

[@donnawoodford6641]

I understand that Henry Fonda had a a thing for Lucy.

[@lynettepalecek3141]

You can't leave out Desi Arnaz as the co-founder of the Desilu Studios. I hate it when people emphasize Lucille Ball and leave Desi Arnaz out of the picture.

[@ginnylorenz5265]

@@lynettepalecek3141 Yes. Lucy always insisted that Desi was the brains behind their empire....and always wanted him to be recognized as such.

[@NHfiddle]

I STILL love Lucy....

[@LazyIRanch]

"I Love Lucy" was my son's very favorite show when he was little. He despised "Barney the Dinosaur" and other inane childrens' shows because they were "stupid" (I agree). When he was @ 7 years old, he asked me if she was making new shows (after he'd seen all of them multiple times). I wish I'd thought before I answered, I callously answered, "Oh no, she's been dead for years!" The color drained from his little face, his big eyes filled with tears, "Lucy's DEAD??" I felt like such an asshole! He REALLY loves Lucy, he's 28 now and still loves that show.

[@bettycogswell9851]

So do I and always will..

[@ianfromtheotherside5795]

We all love Lucy!

[@ludenasan1]

I saw Carol Channing in Hello Dolly one night and Pearl Bailey the next night- both were great. Cab calloway was too outstanding to believe!

[@kentetalman9008]

I saw them both too. Loved Carol and REALLY loved Pearl.

[@wodgerdog646]

Lucy walks like a supermodel, tall, poised and elegant. She was so so so beautiful, an extremely angelic face.

[@v.gorski3050]

Wodger Dog --- I believe she did work as a model in her early youth. She was also a chorus girl in many movies. She even was in a Marx Brothers movie.

[@MrDcar12]

i miss Lucy....and Bea Arthur. i remember watching both on TV with my grandmother. Everytime i think of Gramma i remember Lucy and Bea.Evrytime i see Lucy or Bea i think of Gramma. Three wonderful women.

[@TheVerbalVolley]

Carol Channing has always been a favorite of mine, because she is such an original. She is always optimistic and engaging, with boundless energy. She is going strong at the age of 97, with energy to spare. Keep it going on, Carol. You rock.

[@lekoman]

...well, was going strong at the age of 97. Then died 16 days before her 98th birthday, may she rest in laughter.

[@VahanNisanian]

Carol Channing & Ginger Rogers were friends with Lucille Ball. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that all three of them mingled with each other, just hours before the show went on the air that night.

[@MrVidaeverdade]

staytunedfor Lucy did an impression of Carol Channing on an episode of her show that was broadcast a few months after this. It was probably filmed around this same time. And six years later, Ginger did a guest appearance on Lucy's show.

[@stigmoto228]

Ginger and Lucy were distant cousins.

[@reno1uest]

@@stigmoto228 I don't remember that fact. Ginger is related to Phyllis Cerf.

[@stigmoto228]

@@reno1uest yeah it's in Lucille Ball's autobiography. Ginger's mom took Lucy under her wing when she was young and went to Hollywood.

[@LazyIRanch]

Wouldn't you have loved to have been in the room with those three, just to watch them interact? Brilliant, beautiful ladies!

[@larciabella]

They always guess Lucy cuz we all know the sound of her voice even when she tries to disguise her voice.

[@wandertree]

Yes. Same with Judy Garland and Jimmy Stewart.

[@brianwright657]

13:47 I realize Dorothy thought it might be a casket. Still, a chilling question from her that comes less than 4 months before her death.

[@gailsirois7175]

Yes even I found it chilling

[@DrRish-wx3wf]

Unfortunately probably murdered. Dorothy Kilgallen was a really powerful voice and pen(journalist) Sam Sheppard case. Fugitive show and movie was based on that case.

[@BillyAlabama]

Three powerhouses in one night! Carol, Ginger and Lucy!

[@jaymesguy239]

And, yet again, Lucille Ball in a stunning sartorial ensemble! Love the slit skirt!

[@billiebuffalo]

I love how Lucy walks up to John to shake hands. Not really "feminine" or daintily like Carol and Ginger, but so authoritative and commanding like she's meeting RKO executives. I love it. Ahead of her time in so many ways.

[@DrRish-wx3wf]

Lucy was powerful in those 50s and 60s. Desilu productions on so many shows. Powerful like Dorothy Kilgallen

[@Cosmo-Kramer]

@@DrRish-wx3wf Yeah but Dorothy's power got her killed.

[@wandertree]

Both ways are valuable.

[@lynettepalecek3141]

@buffalobillbuffalove. There is no feminine or masculine way to shake hands. A firm handshake shows confidence and friendliness. It lets the other person know that you're open for conversation. A weak handshake can show that you really don't want to talk to the other person or you're a shy person and you're letting the other person know that or you don't like the other person or you have arthritis very badly in your hands. As for Lucille Ball, she was a very self-centered person who expected to always be the center of attention. She was ahead of her time in a bad way because she wanted to be in control all the time. That's why I hated the Feminine Movement because it ruined it for feminine women like me. I love to wear dresses. I love it when a man treats me like a lady by opening the door for me, letting me go in a room first, and by taking his hat off inside. I love being feminine. I hate it when a woman acts like a man. There are still a lot of women who feel the same way that I do.

[@lijohnyoutube101]

@@lynettepalecek3141 yikes am not a dog or a child! You have a very weird view. No thanks…. I like being an equal and not a pampered pet!

[@johnlee-yo8jc]

Ginger Rogers saved Lucy's career. Ginger, who was a real big star, told RKO not to release Lucy because Lucy was part of an acting study group under Ginger's mother.

[@scottmiller6495]

Lucille Ball was one of the greatest entertainers of all time Period!!!!!

[@yamil.343]

Lucy was 54 here. One forgets how beautiful she was because she was always clowning around.

[@nandofigueira2005]

lucille was very beautiful that night, the dress and her hairstyle make her look beautiful.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Miss Lucy can't really disguise that voice.

[@FractalRaver]

None of them really do

[@Cosmo-Kramer]

@@FractalRaver Au contraire. Debbie Reynolds sounded exactly like a Gabor sister and Liz Taylor sounded like an animated tiny woodland creature. And there have been others.

[@anderssolberg8114]

Imagine to look as beautiful and young as Ginger Rogers looks here - she was 54!!

[@neildickson5394]

Yes indeedy as Ginger might say. She's no less than a Goddess.

[@LazyIRanch]

I was thrown by her youthful beauty too! My first thought was, "there's no way that's the same fabulous dancer/actress who made movies with Fred 30 years previously", but there's no mistaking her lovely face and demeanor.

[@LazyIRanch]

@@renemarie5936 I always wondered about that too! Now that I'm old, I know the answer. It was all good until menopause got me at age 55. Most of my hair fell out, and what's left is thin, dry, and frizzy. I've cut it shorter because it looked awful, stringy and thin. Also, it matts easily now. I have it shoulder length and it's easier to fluff it up to look like I have more than a teaspoon of hair left, even though I don't. I hate it, because I had pretty hair when I was young. Now I look like the crazy old cat lady from "The Simpsons"!

[@davidsanderson5918]

She's absolutely scrumptious in Follow The Fleet though. I've got the complete Fred & Ginger collection on DVD so I'm rather attached to the Ginger of that time. :)

[@fashiondolldreamer]

Yes, I was stunned by her incredibly youthful beauty here, too!!!

[@soulierinvestments]

Lucy was the most powerful female producer/performer on TV: powerful enough to break Fates's rule of one appearance as mystery guest per year. She used her appearance primarily to inform her audience that "the Lucy Show" time slot was changing in 1965-66 season. The show was changing in 2 major ways -- Vivian Vance was leaving the cast; and the whole concept was moving from Danfield New York to West Hollywood.

[@jmccracken1963]

+soulierinvestments And, with that move to West Hollywood, no more Chris and Jerry Carmichael, who were basically written out of the show (though Jimmy Garrett did play Jerry in the first and thirteenth episodes of the 1965-66 season). Also, Mary Jane Croft came to the show in a recurring role as Lucy Carmichael's new sidekick, Mary Jane Lewis. (Mary Jane Croft had played Betty Ramsay and Evelyn Bigsby on "I Love Lucy" in the 1950s - AND she had played a recurring role as Audrey Simmons in a number of episodes during the first two seasons of "The Lucy Show.") And Ann Sothern did return to play Rosie Harrigan (the Countess Framboise) in three episodes in the fall of 1965.

[@Lava1964]

You know your Lucy trivia. I'm a fellow fan too.

[@rm2ken]

Ginger Rogers and Lucille Ball were in the same movie, Stage Door in 1937. They are also distant cousins.

[@bowtoyoursensei554]

And close friends for many years.

[@soulierinvestments]

Lucy's vocal disguise bears close resemblance to the 1964 "Lucy Show" Nightmare episode where she gets turned into a witch. It also bears close resemblance to the voice she used in 1952 in I Love Lucy "The Operetta." One of the 15 most funny things Lucy ever did in TV, the operetta in question had a chorus line of heavyweight New York matrons masquerading as Ruritarian peasant virgins. When the performance breaks down, Lucy get to use that voice to say stuff like "Go away, this is not your cue" and "Well, go take a STAB at it!"

[@Sistermedusa1986]

Love This Show

[@soulierinvestments]

c 13:40 >> the audience found Dorothy's coffin allusion funny. Today, given what we know, it is now down-right eery.

[@nikkia4950]

just months before her untimely death

[@quirkyquips9915]

As of December 3, 2018 Carol Channing is still going strong at 97!

[@gailsirois7175]

In 2021 she has passed

[@akaylawhitus2320]

@@gailsirois7175 she passed away in 2019

[@cynthiabrent3368]

She can never fool the panel cause she was so famous, much loved

[@josephrussio46]

Lucy's response at 19:00 cracks me up!

[@jmccracken1963]

Over the span of 47 years, Arlene Francis appeared in 23 original plays on Broadway (as well as 3 revivals), beginning with the 13-performance flop "La Gringa" (by Tom Cushing) in February of 1928, and ending with the 1-performance huge flop "Don't Call Back" (by Russell O'Neil) on Tuesday, 18 March 1975. In fact, of those 23 original plays in which Arlene Francis was in the cast (most of them as a featured player or a star), only FOUR can be said to have had a long enough run to be called a Broadway "success," those being: Clare Boothe's "The Women" (Ethel Barrymore Theatre; 26 December 1936 through July of 1938; 657 performances), in which Arlene played Princess Tamara and Helene; Joseph Fields's "The Doughgirls" (Lyceum Theatre; 30 December 1942 through 29 July 1944; 671 performances), in which Arlene played Natalia Chodorov; Vincent Lawrence's "The Overtons" (Booth Theatre, 6 February 1945 through 10 March 1945; Forrest Theatre, 12 March 1945 through 23 June 1945; National Theatre, 25 June 1945 through 7 July 1945; 175 total performances), in which Arlene played Cora Overton; and Harry Kurnitz's "Once More, With Feeling" (National Theatre; 21 October 1958 through 6 June 1959; 263 performances), in which Arlene played Dolly Fabian. (Two of the three revivals in which Arlene Francis was in the case were successes, too - though the late 1966 revival of Kaufman and Hart's "Dinner at Eight" (in which Arlene would play Carlotta Vance) was apparently a limited run (only 127 performances in a little under 4 months), and Arlene played Aunt Alicia for only the last two weeks of the 1973-74 revival of "Gigi" (replacing Agnes Moorehead).)

[@italoman9]

Lucy looked so gorgeous with this hairstyle here. She wore it only a couple of times on her 1960s "Lucy Show" program she was appearing in at the time of this installment. I think it would've given her character a whole new dimension and look especially in its last half of color seasons. :)

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

She wore those horrible Ronald MacDonald wigs on "The Lucy Show."

[@bruceboome]

I love these shows, as I'm familiar with most of the special guests, and they're so entertaining. They put a smile on my face, and there are a good few laughs as a bonus. In fact, I have more laughs during this series than I do from modern comedy- most of which fails to even raise a smile. Though I wouldn't want to go back to those times there are aspects that I miss. What a pity there's nothing like this nowadays.

[@HollyCranfan]

Ginger and Lucy were friends since way back.in RKO days. In 1934-35. Lucy was in Roberta, Top Hat and Follow the Fleet long before Stage Door with Ginger. Lucy was coached by Gingers mom LeLa

[@fairlyvague82]

I really like this host and Miss Arlene 💕💕💕

[@elspethcoogan1499]

Dorothy: Well either you are or you aren’t Ginger Rogers. She had a point, notwithstanding Carol was also the mystery guest.

[@RonGerstein-tf5tp]

Mike Douglas was a great daytime talk show host

[@MrJoeybabe25]

When I saw Michael Douglas, I though whoa! But Mike is good!

[@VahanNisanian]

Joe Postove He interviewed John Lennon of the Beatles in 1972!

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I remember it well. He had John and Yoko on as guest hosts for a week. The best part was John jamming with Chuck Berry. I think it's on KZbin

[@WhatsMyLine]

It was a boo boo. Corrected.

[@iamintheburg]

+Joe Postove OMG, I remember that !!!!!!!!! We were aghast in Wytheville, wondering Whuttthaa-effff was John Lennon doing on Mike Douglas' sad-ass talk show. I was just a kid, but I figured that Lennon was trying to polish his public persona and not get told to leave the US for his " counter culture " lifestyle. The suits did not like John. Or Yoko.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Joe Postove Yep being a Beatles maniac, I have it all on DVD.

[@noneyun9943]

I can now put fudge on my veggies list!

[@jackkomisar458]

The mystery guests were unusually successful in disguising their voices in this episode. In the first mystery guest segment, Carol Channing and Ginger Rogers sounded so similar that the panel members couldn't tell that there was more than one mystery guest until Dorothy Kilgallen could not get a straight answer to the question, "Are you Ginger Rogers". In the second mystery guest segment, Lucille Ball was so good at using a variety of voices that Bennett Cerf asked, "Is there more than one mystery guest."

[@BleedBNG]

That's the voice she used when she said Risky Riskardo on I Love Lucy

[@ghidrah76]

Man if only she was still around so Ryan Stiles can do more impressions of her.. she was a beauty

[@bettycogswell9851]

Lucy the Queen of everything......Loved her...

[@MissLilRedRooster]

Lucy's signature is DIVINE.

[@jmccracken1963]

I'm sure that there will be more mentions of "Mrs. Dally Has A Lover" in the next couple of months, but anyway..... Eventually, "Mrs. Dally" (as it was titled by the time the play made its way to Broadway), by William Hanley, would open at the John Golden Theatre on Wednesday, 22 September 1965, after a week's worth of previews on Broadway. It ran for only 53 performances before closing 5-and-a-half weeks later, on Saturday, 6 November 1965. Arlene Francis played Evalyn; Robert Forster played Frankie; and Ralph Meeker played Sam. "Mrs. Dally" was produced by Martin Gabel. The production was staged by Joseph Anthony, with sets and lighting designed by David Hays and costumes designed by Ann Roth. (The play must have been written a couple of years previous, because playwright William Hanley was awarded the 1963 Vernon Rice Award by "Drama Desk" for his authorship of the play.)

[@RobertR3750]

This was the year that Ginger appeared in the wonderful Leslie Anne Warren version of Cinderella.

[@pukulu]

Carol Channing lived to be 97 years old, almost 98.

[@Steff2929again]

Dorothy has been quite brilliant throughout this season, this episode is no exception, but her speech is getting notably slow again. So sad.

[@WhatsMyLine]

I hadn't noticed anything amiss with her speech, but I have noticed her being on FIRE in 1965 as far as the game playing was concerned-- and without the overly aggressive edge that she had in the 1950s. Sad that we're coming to the end of the Dorothy era.

[@savethetpc6406]

Steff2929again I hadn't really noticed it the first time, but on additional listening, I do hear a slight "slushiness" in her speech at times during this episode. Effects of a few drinks before the show, perhaps?

[@Steff2929again]

SaveThe TPC Probably not alcohol. Her mind is obviously fully operational, so is most of her fine motor function. It's just the speech that is somewhat off, slower rather than slurred. Not that easy to notice unless you know what it is. It indicates a possible presence of barbiturates. Probably within prescribed limits, but still a bit over what would be a suitable level. She may have had a drink or two as well, difficult to avoid for someone in her position. Even a moderate amount of alcohol would have potentiated the side effects. Compare this to the previous episode, where Arlene was quite heavily intoxicated. It's a different pattern.

[@jazzvampire]

I noticed her delivery was, at times, slower and more thoughtful. But nothing more. Whether these minor observations can be chalked up to coincidence or prescription drugs, I suppose we'll never truly know. Regardless, how sudden her demise was is still the saddest part (or, I should say, how sudden it *seemed* to be based only on her WML? and other public appearances).

[@arbyfatbuckle1733]

+Matthew Kaczer She died in 67 from what appeared to be an overdose of alcohol and barbiturates. Some have thought she had an addiction problem. Thus the slowing of her speech. There have been crazy ideas going around that her death was some conspiracy thing and some have even tried to tie it to JFK 's assassination.

[@VahanNisanian]

Whoa. Great wild guess from Dorothy. This would also be the last time Dorothy and Carol Channing would see each other, face-to-face.

[@savethetpc6406]

***** Wild guess? In which game?

[@VahanNisanian]

SaveThe TPC Game 1.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Ha haaa I don't think I would've bought a ticket to see Hello Dolly after hearing their singing voices here. :)

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I know the rule for calendar year appearances by MG sometimes resulted in someone having two quite close together. I think Lucy was on recently (or was that during our most recent retrospective)? What was the closest together that one MG had a spot?

[@WhatsMyLine]

I'm pretty sure it's Lucy-- this show was less than five months after her previous appearance on March 7, 1965.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

What's My Line? So maybe a couple of weeks or more since we last saw her, eh?

[@WhatsMyLine]

Joe Postove About 3 weeks, but that includes a week posting older shows.

[@mcbrion1951]

If one wants to see "class" demonstrated in today's society, they need look no further than What's My Line. I grew up on this show from almost the time it started. Ginger Rogers and Carol Channing are examples exemplar!

[@jakehobbs]

18:06 did Lucy just throw her voice?!?! 😮

[@VahanNisanian]

I also wouldn't doubt that Lucy was a last-minute replacement. Remember, there was a policy regarding mystery guest appearances. Lucy appeared more times as MG, than anyone else on WML. And it's good to see that all six of them exist.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Vahan, why do you think Lucy was a last minute replacement?

[@VahanNisanian]

Joe Postove I really don't know in all honesty. I just assumed she might have been, because of appearing more than once 1965. But then there's also the possibility that the reason they had Steve Allen on again in 1964, was so he could promote his becoming the new host of "I've Got a Secret", nothing else.

[@savethetpc6406]

***** I'm more curious about why they had 2 Mystery Guest segments in this episode. Could it be that they called upon all 3 famous ladies as potential replacements, and since they all turned out to be available, they couldn't very well tell them they weren't needed?

[@kmgirl1967]

I loved Dorothy's hair and dress in this episode!! Very Pretty!!

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Mike Douglas was on the air with his own show before Johnny Carson, in 1961. But I don't know if he was syndicated at that time. Anyone know about this? Was he in Cleveland, then Philly and then Los Angeles? I'm thinking Dayton too, but maybe I'm getting him mixed up with Phil Donohue.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** Didn't Phil Donahue finish up in NYC?

[@SamSanders072764]

Joe, you're correct on all counts.

[@TheSema94]

Didn't I watch him in Philadelphia at 12:30 pm ET on Westinghouse?

[@1jamyc]

He was in Philadelphia in the 70s, and syndicated (I was living in NY - -I think it was 430 everey afternoon on CBS. He did have some big guests on his show (probably John Lennon most famously). Looking at him here, he looks like he's thinking "why can't I get Lucy, Carol Channing, or even Ginger Rogers on MY show" :)

[@MrJoeybabe25]

@@SamSanders072764 😊😊

[@soulierinvestments]

When Channing appeared on the 21 February broadcast and nearly upended the whole show, she wore - in Bennett’s immortal words - the damndest outfit ever seen on WML to that point. Here she is wearing the d@^ outfit or some close variation of it.

[@alanfollett6242]

Same sailor suit, I think, but also the same pocket watch on a chain.

[@chrisrolfe1665]

Bet they had fun in the Green Room that night

[@mhk3360]

Fudge is a vegetable?

[@WhatsMyLine]

I think they were thinking along the lines of its main ingredient, cocoa, being a plant product. But yes, the notion of fudge as a vegetable is pretty odd. "You're not getting any broccoli for dessert until you finish all your fudge!"

[@mhk3360]

What's My Line? WML, I also remember an episode that was aired in February 1958. The last contestant inspected telephone poles. And John Daly said yes it is a vegetable simply because telephone poles were made of wood,

[@WhatsMyLine]

mh K That's completely, straight-forwardedly accurate, though. The three categories are animal, vegetable or mineral. What's confusing about fudge is that it has animal product ingredients in it, too (milk and butter).

[@Merrida100]

Well it's also got sugar from corn. And that's the primary ingredient. Tough call though, sugar and dairy.

[@julietteyork3721]

Lucy was on twice in 1965? I wonder why.

[@nadiazahroon6573]

I hate it when people assume Dorothy was drunk or what ever, I loved her and wish people would remember she was human and she may have grandchildren who watch and read this

[@Kat-fw9se]

Nadia Zahroon well said!

[@nadiazahroon6573]

Kat Meow thank you

[@VahanNisanian]

And so we come to the end of live episodes of WML for the 1964-1965 season. Next, we'll be seeing the six episodes that they had been banking since February 1965: August 01, 1965/February 28, 1965: DK, Tony Randall, AF, BC (Mystery Guest: Jill St. John) August 08, 1965/March 21, 1965: AF, Martin Gabel, Carol Channing, BC (Mystery Guest: Olivia de Havilland) August 15, 1965/April 11, 1965: AF, Tony Randall, Anita Gillette, BC (Mystery Guest: Allan Sherman) August 22, 1965/May 23, 1965: AF, Alan King, DK, BC (Mystery Guest: Steve Lawrence) August 29, 1965/June 13, 1965: AF, SA, DK, BC (Mystery Guest: Betty Grable) September 05, 1965/May 02, 1965: DK, Robert Q. Lewis, AF, BC (Mystery Guest #1: Miss Vonda Kay Van Dyke) (Mystery Guest #2: Allen Ludden & Betty White)

[@RikardPeterson]

Now it's my turn to nitpick an answer! They answered "no" to the question if a sauna can be found on water. While it's not the most common placement of one, I don't find it strange to see one built on a raft in a sea. But I guess saunas are more common here than over in the US, and the no answer was probably correct for the time and place.

[@anne-droid7739]

Yup, no Yoopers or Finns in this bunch! "Sah-na", hee hee!

[@RikardPeterson]

Anne-droid Yoopers?

[@anne-droid7739]

People from Michigan's Upper Peninsula. A large percentage of the population is of Finnish extraction.

[@jaydollar3538]

I doubt you would have found one back then on the water. Now days you might.

[@lindaroper2654]

You can tell that's Lucy 🤣

[@MrWindermere123]

The caption explaining what a sauna bath is wrote that it's a Finnish dry heat device. I thought that the whole point was the humid heat coming from pouring water over hot stones, so dry is the last thing the heat would be. The panel members seemed to confirm this by guessing 'steam bath' before 'sauna'. What do I know - I only tried a sauna once.

[@zorggn]

As far as i know, the Finnish versions are indeed more dry and hot, with maybe the people adding in some water onto the heating element (mostly rocks on that) to make some humidity; but there are many types of saunas / steam baths besides the Finnish one that are indeed more humid, maybe even scented/using herbs in the water, and such.

[@malcolmmarshall5946]

Miss Thailand won that '65 Miss Universe contest. Finland and USA were the runners up

[@tammycosby4495]

I don’t understand how they didn’t get Lucy, especially after that “schertainly”

[@regularhumanbarber]

Fudge is a vegetable? I wish. 😂

[@tjbnyc76]

The fudge maker looks quite a bit like young Peter Gabel.

[@suzycreamcheesez4371]

+Todd Brandt Gabriel?

[@tjbnyc76]

No, Peter Gabel, Arlene Francis and Martin Gabel's son.

[@rogerpropes7129]

The sauna guy looks just like somebody who is tantalizingly familiar.

[@bethe192]

Oh I sure would've loved to be familiar with him, what a beautiful man! 😉💖

[@ChattieCathie]

How is fudge vegetable? Whats in fudge?

[@MrJoeybabe25]

After Ginger replaced Carol in Hello Dolly, did Miss Channing go on tour with the show? That is kind of how it works isn't it?

[@Beson-SE]

John said that Carol would go on tour around the US and to London. 7:03

[@jmccracken1963]

+Joe Postove As Carol Channing said clearly in the post-game chat, she was to tour "Hello, Dolly!" in San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and London.

[@tporchia7751]

I just don't enjoy any episodes after Dorothy died. I think the show only lasted 2 more years, until 67

[@mysky]

T Porchia Same here. The show wasn’t enjoyable for me after Dorothy’s passing, and I really didn’t like Phyllis Newman on the panel. But in all fairness, CBS made a broad decision to get rid of all game shows in prime time in 1967, so Dorothy’s passing was not a factor in that decision. Had she still been alive, CBS would have canceled the show anyway.

[@gailsirois7175]

Me too

[@BlankCanvas88]

Ginger does not look 54 here! Neither does Lucy for that matter.

[@broughtbackin]

I must look really young for my age because I'm 56 and look at least 10 years younger than they do. (not bragging at all, just think it's odd)

[@bronxbearbud272]

Much has been said about the less than satisfying portrayal of Mame that Lucy brought to the screen. Seeing these three women together, it occurs to me how much better suited Lucy would have been to "Hello Dolly!" and has me regretting that she didn't play that role instead.

[@PerMortensen]

Wait wait, how on earth is fudge a vegetable?

[@tjbnyc76]

Per Mortensen WML rules generally broke products down into the "animal, vegetable or mineral" categories, so strictly speaking, fudge/chocolate would be considered vegetable.

[@VahanNisanian]

So in response to my last post, just how did the crew behind WML decide on which episodes to air at a later date? Like what made them decide to air the Jill St. John episode (Taped: February 28, 1965) on August 1?

[@pbohearn]

“Eddie the fabulous fudge packer. “LOL

[@김길동-j9z]

17:27 Lucille Ball She was 44yers old

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

She was 53, born in August 1911.

[@Blaytheog]

18:04 is funny 😂

[@gregh7400]

There goes Arlene yet again, asking guests to perform live.

[@riveranormanf.8770]

She command it.

[@stevenginsberg8471]

$1200 in 1965 is $10,242 in 2017 dollars.

[@nadiazahroon6573]

I love Dorothy

[@2508bona]

The funny thing about the Sing Sing prison football team pun is that Sing Sing actually once HAD a football team that played semipro teams. Check out the story in THE NATIONAL FORGOTTEN LEAGUE, by Dan Daly.

[@savethetpc6406]

Chris Barat I don't suppose Dan Daly could be any relation to John, since all the men in John's family were named John Daly (with different middle names) ?

[@netram28]

Ginger and Carol "put RKO studios out of business" with their awful movie, The First Traveling Saleslady. Then Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz bought up the the former RKO studios for Desilu. Funny coincidence all three ladies appeared on this one episode.

[@barbarayevoli9771]

Carol Channing looks prety here.

[@productionemployee8032]

18:00😊

[@rosechardonnay5351]

Again Lucy's hair looks really nice on this show. It's a little more smooth and sleek compared to those tight dated looking curls they always seemed to keep her in. Regardless of the hair Lucy was always a very beautiful woman!

[@DavidLari]

LOL... the last young man introduced himself as Sr. I mean... was he already a father at that point in his young life?

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Hasn't Carol Channing worn that sailor suit before? My God! Wearing the same thing twice! Ginger Rogers had just turned 54 there, and I thought she looked good.

[@savethetpc6406]

I thought she wore a dark-colored sailor suit the other time, but I could be misremembering.

[@DLAN-jb3hb]

SaveThe TPC She did.

[@savethetpc6406]

DLAN 1122 Thanks for the confirmation. :)

[@allanshulstad1783]

How much were the panelists paid?

[@broughtbackin]

Arlene was the highest paid panelist. She was paid $1000.00 per show.

[@GeeBoggs]

Within 3 months of this airing, Kilgallen would be dead. I remember, yet I was only in the 5th grade.

[@broughtbackin]

She was murdered on November 8th

[@carlamartinezvega13]

I'm a girl, and I admit Ginger Rogers was hot AF even in her 60s

[@serendumall6706]

SO pretty. She did the witches voice back from the I Love Lucy days

[@MrJoeybabe25]

One for the kids: Who played the original Dolly Levi on Broadway?

[@Beson-SE]

Since I am not allowed to peek you must tell me. :)

[@savethetpc6406]

Joe Postove You mean it *wasn't* Carol Channing?

[@Beson-SE]

SaveThe TPC I thought it was a trick question.

[@waynehowell6160]

Are we talking about the original Thornton Wilder play, "The Matchmaker?" Ruth Gordon.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

From Wikipedia, this play has quite the pedigree : " The Merchant of Yonkers is a play by Thornton Wilder. John Oxenford's 1835 one-act farce A Day Well Spent had been extended into a full-length play entitled Einen Jux will er sich machen by Austrian playwright Johann Nestroy in 1842. Wilder adapted Nestroy's version into an Americanized comedy entitled The Merchant of Yonkers, which revolves around Horace Vandergelder, a wealthy Yonkers, New York businessman in the market for a wife. The Broadway production, starring Jane Cowl as Dolly Gallagher Levi and Percy Waram as Vandergelder, and directed by Max Reinhardt, opened on December 28, 1938 at the Guild Theatre, where it ran for 39 performances. The cast also included June Walker and Tom Ewell. In 1954, at the request of Edinburgh Festival director Tyrone Guthrie, Wilder made what he later termed "minor revisions" to his original script and rechristened the piece The Matchmaker, under which title it was presented in Edinburgh, followed by a West End theatre production in London which opened at Theatre Royal Haymarket on November 4, 1954. An American production of the revised play opened on Broadway on December 5, 1955 with Ruth Gordon as Dolly and had a far more successful run of 486 performances, followed by a motion picture version starring Shirley Booth as Dolly. The Matchmaker later served as the basis for Jerry Herman's 1964 musical hit Hello, Dolly!, running for 2,844 performances.

[@2508bona]

Mike Douglas' top ten single came out around this time, I believe.

[@savethetpc6406]

Chris Barat What was it? (I know I could look it up, but I'm assuming you'll know...)

[@jmccracken1963]

+Save The TPC The song is "The Men In My Little Girl's Life." It was released in 1966. (By the way: Mike Douglas was also the singing voice of Prince Charming in the 1950 Walt Disney Studios animated feature film "Cinderella." He was 29/30 years old at the time.)