Wheel of Time: Aiel (Complete - Spoilers!)

[@CivilizationEx]

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[@sadfrowns866]

Probably not going to get a chance to read this, but your LOTR lore series really helped me out, when I was working on a book report on the Silmarillion. Whenever the book confused me (Which it did a lot) your videos helped me understand. Thanks.

[@CivilizationEx]

Glad I could help! :)

[@zionmarcelo]

the story of the aiel is one of the saddest in the wheel of time, but also of triumph. I don't know if by design but Jordan showed the Age of legends society to be rotten to the core even before contact with the 'dark one' (just like lucas inadvertently showed the jedi & the old republic to be quite evil themselves). the aiel are a 'slave race' prob bio-engineered by aes sedai to serve them, naive as children, brainwashed to follow the 'way of the leaf'. the 'way' is not some ideal life philosophy! slaves are forbidden to possess weapons, they are not allowed to defend themseves, they cannot harm their masters! in a 'utopia' where 'citizens' don't do 'labor', well, somebody's going to do it (aiel, nyms, ogier, later the soldier-class). and to make matters worse, the aes sedai gave them the heavy burden of protecting 'aes sedai things' without teaching them to protect themselves! and still have the gall to brainwash them that they sinned against the aes sedai by failing them and that their wandering is their punishment!? it was the aes sedai who threw them under the bus!

[@dillansmith6833]

Interesting take, maybe

[@zionmarcelo]

@Hlord-be4xx I'm sorry if you can't appreciate the clues, read between the lines, use deductive reasoning.....did you actually believe the Age of Legends fell just because they 'discovered'' the dark one? the clues are all over the books.....as for the jedi, you think a corrupt banana republic good? you are probably voting biden

[@bubbatoonday9099]

The series DID tell us how the Tinkers will find their lost song. All they have to do is gain permission to step in the glass-columns of Rhuidean, --which they can since they do have Aiel genetics in them---and they will hear it. Last I remember, Elayne was in possession of a Ter'angreal which Aviendha's Talent of 'Ter'angreal-reading'----revealed a Ter'angreal that needed a song to activate it. So we need a Tinker to visit Rhuidean and Elayne to make the connection and gift that particular Ter'angreal to the Tinkers' usage.

[@A76noname]

Jordan confirmed they can never find THE Song because it doesn't actually exist in the first place. What they were originally looking for was an idea of better times when they could sing their songs freely without suffering and hardship, but along the years that morphed into an idea of a single mythical Song that would make everything better. Even if you let them heard the songs of growing they would just nod and say the songs were nice, but they wouldn't recognize them as the Song they are looking for, because they got it all backwards. They think that a Song will lead to good times, when actually it's the good times that lead to the singing, and that's why they can never find what they are looking for.

[@figjam9530]

@@A76noname that sounds about right. early in the books (EotW i believe) Loial remarks that Ogier taught their treesongs to Tinkers and the Tinkers weren't overly impressed. considering that treesongs are clearly at least derived from the old growing songs from the age of legends, the Tinkers should have gone nuts over them if it was an actual "song" they were looking for.

[@LoneTiger]

The Aiel kept the duty but forsook the way. The Tuatha'an kept the way but forsook the duty.

[@Ignikus]

A remnant of a remnant.

[@pyrometheus4277]

The only gen(iune) aiel kept the way, and held to their duty even if face of death. They embraced their demise and did not fight it (the aiel) , nor flee from it (the tinkers).

[@LoneTiger]

@@pyrometheus4277 And that would be the reason they were called Jenn Aiel the "True dedicated" the reason why the current aiel have a toh, an obligation that cannot be met, ever, for there are no Jenn left alive.

[@joshuajordan6278]

This is awesome. I hope you cover Seanchan soon!

[@distortion5879]

I love this Chanel so much

[@jamesderosa2041]

Rand was raised in the village of Emond’s Field. The Two Rivers is more of a district...I guess?...of Andor.

[@edwardsimpson119]

Taren Ferry was the only place you could cross into the Two Rivers. The rest of western Andor was pretty sparsely populated. Whitebridge was the edge of civilization as far as most Andorans were probably concerned.

[@personpersonson9975]

I had always assumed "the song" referred to the growing songs used to produce plentiful harvests during the age of legends.

[@TurusDJava]

Im thinking it maybe both

[@figjam9530]

unlikely. Loial remarks in the books that Ogier taught some "treesongs" to Tinkers and they weren't overly impressed. treesongs appear to be, functionally, no different to growing songs.

[@AverageAwesomeDude]

Originally it probably was, but The Song became more a philosophical concept for them an unachievable goal that motivates the Tinker culture. I don’t remember if it was Jordan or Sanderson who said it but even if The Growing Song Rand learns by the end is “The Song” or at least the song that originated the concept the vast majority of the Tinkers wouldn’t accept it as such since The Song had become something much greater to their culture than it originally was

[@personpersonson9975]

@@figjam9530 Just because they didn't accept those songs as what they were looking for doesn't mean that it wasn't what originally inspired the search. Almost by definition they don't know what they're looking for, so how do they know if they've found it?

[@program1195]

Been waiting for more Wheel of Time videos, THANK YOU!

[@sivanlevi3867]

If there is a quote the Aiel clans may embrace, it's "I may not be wanted, but I am clearly needed."

[@kght222]

10:35 the cairhienen are short with dark hair and dark eyes....... it is actually a plot point that helped the aiel recognize them.

[@kght222]

@Mathew Long no mention of a tilt to the eyes, saldaens on the other hand..... not to mention not all asians look alike, i don't think you could really equate the groups in the wheel of time to real world ethnic groups though, this is thousands upon thousands of years into the future.

[@fredericetile2505]

Again, an amazing vide, thanks

[@freecanadianshadowbanned4954]

Great recap, mate.

[@ahmorgan]

They sound a lot like the Fremen from Dune

[@ramonpizarro]

It's not surprising that the aiel curbstomped the western sword wielders, as they say a novice with a spear can hold off even a middling swordsman Combine this with incredibly harsh environmental conditions and training and mastery on a level never before seen with other cultures, and you get your fierce fremen er I mean desert warriors

[@darkstarr2321]

Only the borderlanders put up a fight, but you'd expect that with their history of guarding the blight and Shienar bordering the waste

[@robwalsh9843]

Plus, Aiel are basically straight up ninjas in addition to being the Fremen of WOT. Their mastery of stealth, fieldcraft and martial skill puts them in the category of shinobi. Robert Jordan pretty much thought of them as desert dwelling Celtic ninjas.

[@JKCWvids]

oh weird. i literally just decided to finally start reading this series and i see this video...

[@pintpullinggeek]

I hope you enjoy them, and if you do then: Welcome to the Fandom 😁

[@JKCWvids]

@@pintpullinggeek so far its pretty good, im on book 2 in publishing order. maybe its aging a bit? but a few of the character behaviors is bothering me a bit; i often have issues with this character trope in any show or books, which is when the characters reasoning/intelligence drops sharply for no apparently reason aside from prolonging conflict that are entirely unreasonable. but im giving it the benefit of the doubt, usually a few books into a long series is when a writer really gets into their stride. so will see.

[@vincesergi7339]

Well done ad always. Love your videos!

[@junkard4203]

More please. Thank you.

[@nearzero12]

I wish there was a lot more wheel of time videos lol

[@julianxamo7835]

Hey love your vids, have you considered making Witcher videos, if you haven't read or played anything from the franchise, I recommend starting with the books and just experience everything chronologically (just ignore the comics, they are just incomplete book adaptations)

[@CivilizationEx]

I love the Witcher universe and it is the next new series that I will explore, starting later this year. I've played the games and read most of the books, they're awesome!

[@julianxamo7835]

@@CivilizationEx I'm very happy to hear that, i'm halfway through the books myself and played all the games (except Thronebreker, i don't want to spoil the books for myself even more)

[@bjrnbjrnsson4012]

Love this so much

[@scottking5555]

Good summation ofthe Aiel. Just one little problem with pronunciation.... how did you get what sounds like KAR-nee out of the name Cairhien. I'm curious Moghedien. They are all in the same world, 90 of them speak a common language.... so shouldn't all words that are spelled similarly? I read KAI-re-en and MO-ghed-ee-ahn or even MOH-ghed-Ian. That's a capital i not a lowercase l

[@chaosmorris5865]

Could you guys talk about Glorantha, the world of RuneQuest and King of Dragon Pass take place in? It's really well written fantasy and I'd love to see it get more love.

[@reedr7142]

Surprised baby Rand didn’t have red hair.

[@SHARKVADERS]

CivEx...

[@chrisjones7594]

No peace

[@Kopp203]

Fast forward a couple of years and Amazon made most of them all black. Surprised you haven't taken flak for your video not being, "diverse" enough, despite no such diversity existing in Jordan's world.

[@Colicab83]

made most of who all black? the Aiel? Thats not true at all. Aiel are portrayed correctly in my opinion. So who is it that you have an issue with being portrayed by a "black" actor? You do realize that your personal racism is bleeding through and we can all see it right?

[@Kopp203]

@@Colicab83 Egwene, Nynaeve, Perrin, Min Farshaw, Siuan Sanche, among others, were not black/asian in the books (Siuan and Moiraine weren't gay either). In fact, the only major character not to get blackwashed was Rand, his dad and Mat Cauthon, who was turned into a thieving loser instead. I realise you're likely a very stupid person in real life and the context of my comment was lost on you, but do try to do better. Anyway, you do realise your anti-white racism is bleeding through and we can all see it, right?

[@ahmorgan]

@@Kopp203 white desert ppl? Red heads in the desert? That is nonsense

[@Kopp203]

@@ahmorgan So you haven't actually read the books then? No? Then stfu.