Razors Skates Are Blowing it

[@yandrielsilverio5924]

Learned a lot from this! The thing that shocked me the most was the contract for the EU and South American riders, the USA riders received a different one (it didn't say anything about paying for skates). I was also shocked that the email said they were going through a hard time during Covid-19... sales went up substantially during that period and actually saved the company (from what I was told yesterday), obviously a lot of lies coming from Razors' end. Update on the Incentives email, Andy was pretty much forced to pay me due to all of the feedback Razors was getting from the community (I'm also sure he was scared that I'd take legal actions), he paid me the full amount yesterday... I'm obviously still moving on. From my understanding, he's going to pay all of the USA riders who received this email the full amount owed. I hope Razors grows from this, and abides by the new royalties program/incentives program, it's up to the team-riders to hold them accountable at this point. "In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve".

[@kevincollins8620]

You are the reason I ordered my Cult All Stars. I ordered em almost a month ago... don't get me wrong Superflats are the reason I ever jumped on cults and Shima... but blading always has sum bullshit. I heard your chroma wheels are straight.

[@wheelsceneblading]

Glad to hear you got the money you were owed.

[@jaythreads]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@iRollerboot]

♥️♥️♥️

[@callum_ross]

Fuck Yes!

[@wesschepman]

So many things I could say in regards to razors but not my place(wish I could people would be very surprised on the promises) I will say I wish my son was treated better back when he was on Razors. So many great skaters have always been very supportive. I hope the they can improve.

[@airdolphin]

Hard to support razors

[@iRollerboot]

Great stuff. Thank you for putting this together.

[@J3f3R20n]

I remember i used to like Razors here in Brazil because Cults were really cheap, really good entry-boot considering most entry level skates here costs basically a monthly wage. And they were some of the only brands to sponsor Brazilian riders like Fabio Enes and recently Raphael Gonçalves (Only other pro brazilian in an international brand i knew was Carlos Pianovski)...and then i went on the rabbit hole of their shady practices and it shocks me they are still around and people are still willing to skate for them.... I got so hyped seeing Raphael Gonçalves announced as a Razors AM skater at the time because he is one of the most hardworking, talented skaters out there easily and he was starting to get the recognition he deserves but after a couple months i saw him skating Sebas and other boots and then on one of your episodes of Platform found out he quitted because basically Razors didn't give a F for him (And it seems none of their riders tbh)

[@Briceo0o]

00:53 Provide medical insurance to their employees. They are multinational corporations that are doing better than they have in years ( just like every other corporation screwing over their employees right now). They should provide insurance just like any decent employer or go bankrupt. If you cant afford to do business properly, you don't deserve to do business at that level. Someone else will take your place as long as there is a demand. This shows that pros aren't employed, they are gig workers.. which is Bullshit. This is a disgraceful stain on the sport.

[@ShredCitySkatesKelvW]

Well thought out and informative vid my man 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 and you're right, it would be absolutely damaging to the community if they're gone. Let's just hope they move with the times and do business proper instead of doing business like people did 20 yrs ago.. move with the times or get left behind

[@thehalcyonflight]

Going off of what you said towards the end there... in my 22 years of skating, anyone I've ever heard say "skate for fun not money" has never been any good at skating. The time, the pain, the gear and the money it makes other companies... if you can make money off of it, make money off of it

[@mayomayo5648]

Thanks for giving a lot of context to the situation. I am astonished that they made pro skaters buy their own skates, how cheap can a company be?

[@marcbenjamin6841]

I would like for them to be more responsible. Razors used to be a brand I looked up to because they pushed an incredible product and a legendary team. Without a video like this, I would never have learned about the treatment of their pro riders for so many years. I feel bad riding the Cults now.

[@bladingisdad]

I bought a Razors shirt, and then listened to the Jon Fromm podcast, where he talked about having to buy his own plane tickets to a comp while being sponsored by Razors. Decided then to never ever support Razors ever again.

[@prometheusofplanetx6176]

I had to invest into the one skate brand which would turn into the most hated because of PR. Of course. Well, I ain't quitting. I just started skating again for the first time in nearly a decade. This will make me very sad, but if Razors tank, when my current pair are dead, I'll just simply switch over to a different brand. Been eyeing USD Carbon Teams for years already, or whatever else Darth Vader would skate.

[@bl88er]

I'd like to see razors continue in whichever way they choose to. That being said I'd hope skaters would gravitate towards brands who are looking after their pros and nurturing the industry in the right way. Maybe this kind of loss of market share would be the prompt razors needs to start acting right.

[@daveedarevalo1]

Aaron, Murda, Ski, Brent Hicks, don bamdrick list goes on.... All that talented skaters ... Where are they now bc of how Razors treated them

[@RolandAshcroft]

If razors would go out of business, Powerslide would scoop up all their molds in a second, they would probably do a better job with quality and treating their riders better.

[@aldolega]

I think part of the problem is that Andy seems stuck on the business model he enjoyed during the Elliott/Shima and then Aragon days: having a couple big iconic pros whose names alone will sell skates for many years. Treat those names well or well-ish, and flow skates through shops to the local hero in every town, and you don't need to worry about all the skaters in the middle (ams, lesser pros, legacy pros etc). That doesn't work nowadays because A. the average age of the market has increased dramatically, thus "hero" marketing just isn't nearly as effective, and B. skating is way more varied nowadays, we don't move from trend to trend as singularly anymore. There aren't any monolithic mega-names for Andy to use, so he's kinda just left with the other half of his model: flowing some skates and mostly ignoring everyone in the middle.

[@17BKS]

It is most definitely a weird “half measures” model now, in the sense they still aren’t at the bare minimum level like K2 was at the end (a company that just makes aggressive skates, period, and doesn’t sponsor any skaters or events). That said, Razors has gotten progressively closer to that end of the spectrum.

[@seanpellegrino2989]

It seems like you nailed it with your a analysis. I remember Mike Radebaugh was our local hero, and was riding for Razors, and then it was clear he was talented enough to become an actual pro. He didn't stay on Razors after that (not sure why but I am guessing for similar reasons to many others mentioned here), and not long thereafter he was a Roces International Pro.

[@aldolega]

@@seanpellegrino2989 Loved the Radebot's blading, I hope he still straps up once in awhile.

[@jasonscheiber2053]

Ive been riding Razors for roughly 15 years. but after hearing this im done with them. Good news is im going to get new skates now just to get out of my razors.

[@OriginalAse]

Man i was learning how to skate on razors i was given from someone in my neighborhood, I learned how to skate enough to have fun but then dropped it and now years later i want to skate again and i wanted to get razors but now… idk

[@BrandonDrummond]

Great coverage. People need to know this stuff

[@michaelanstisnewzealand3903]

hey mate.. just to let you know my name is Michael Anstis.. and I'm going to completely change the nz rollerblade landscape.. turn it to a mainstream hardcore thing

[@tiagob.garcia6004]

they did the same thing with Fabio Enes from Brazil when he was riding for them in a championship or something like that and he suffered a serious injury and they left him in the hospital without any support. THey literally abandoned him without a single f***. He even got a pro cult model before the accident. Razors keep doing the same shit over and over again using their pro riders to make money and discarting them when they are not useful anymore regardless their condition.

[@tommymclaughlin-artist]

I was recently considering buying the Razors SL because it's one of the skates that is recommended for wide feet. I ultimately went with the FR UFR AP Intuition because it had a better fit and was obviously higher quality in every way, so I clearly made the right choice as far as getting a skate...then I started learning about all of Razors' recent drama and it just made me feel even better about my choice. If this is how Razors rolls then I don't want to support them.

[@tommymclaughlin-artist]

Also, I would argue that if more skate companies would make a wider skate, that not as many skaters would HAVE to buy Razors.

[@hammonds85]

Can’t say I disagree with any of this. You’ve pretty much summed it up perfectly.

[@marquisb2016]

Wheelscene is the Most Trusted Voice in Blading. Good journalism. Appreciate your honesty and desire to tackle subjects that most don’t

[@thegreatbarrerquief7473]

A brand like that doesn’t deserve to succeed. It’s a shame because they make a good product. Them & Mesmer will flourish and grow simply by treating there “staff” better. Razors has a lot of stink on it.

[@kevincollins8620]

It's funny you posted a picture of the Exact same skates I ordered and received recently after a 3 year hiatus. I got the news about Jeph 20 sum odd days after ordering.

[@prometheusofplanetx6176]

You can always send them to me. Always wanted to skate Cults and those might be one of the very last pairs.

[@kevincollins8620]

@@prometheusofplanetx6176 there's more pairs of cult Allstars. Not in U.S. shops tho

[@prometheusofplanetx6176]

@@kevincollins8620 Not in Israel, either.... and I'm not going to give them what little money I have to order a pair online if this Andy cokehead doesn't hand the company over or make serious changes that aren't just Biden promises.

[@strangenames6056]

Well I've been planing on coming back to skating after 17 years and I always rode razors back in the day but after hearing this I think im gonna try something new.

[@EaterOfBirds]

Been counting the minutes til this vid, as a noob who loves his Geni's I'm just learning how bad they've been 😬 having to think about my next pair and whether I'd jump ship altogether.

[@noragrettispaghetti]

YOU'RE NOT ARAGON OR SHIMA LOL

[@IanF5]

Razors? 👋 Bye Felicia. This is the type of important reporting we need in the industry. We have enough alternative skate companies to choose from to give Razors the boot!

[@jda79]

I haven't seen a skate from razors that I'd want to buy 🤷

[@Toldandretold]

why no comment on Jeff saying in the raffle winner announcement video that he would get 30 dollar royalties? sure, might be razors next lie... but still, it was said

[@Skatejamie]

It's such a shame the treatment of the team is so bad because Razors make skates that people love (myself included). If Razors gets cancelled by the community it will be a huge loss for the vast amount of bladers that have their skates as a 'go to' boot. Glad this point was covered in the video. It's a real double edged sword with the situation.

[@buddblazer16]

The fact that anyone still rides for Razors blows my mind.

[@prometheusofplanetx6176]

What someone has was basically trying to say: SOMEBODY ELON-MUSK THE RAZORS COMPANY!!!!!!!!

[@RusPitman]

Never liked razors as a skate. Now it seems I can dislike them as a company as well, hooray? I guess. Kinda depressing.

[@peterg8458]

That email does read like a scam .. its bad enough when you think your slick and trying to scam on free promotion but when you get called on it not ante up... Fuck them

[@MK-xw1rp]

Guys this bin going on since 2000s ok all the riders that decide to ride for the brand know what u getting ur self into if u know ur worth more don’t skate no more for that brand reminder the brand needs the skater if u don’t got it it won’t sell Jeff stood loyal but he knew back of his had what if things go wrong while the owner drives his new Mercedes the. Rider is in hospital thinking if I’m gonna walk normal or work agin

[@filipmartinez1162]

They started blowing it when they stopped selling skates with SL cuffs. They were literally the best cuffs in the universe, especially for thin liners.

[@waltersmith3165]

As bladers and especially older bladers, we gotta support blader owned companies and choose brands that take care of riders...if so companies like razors will wane out....something new...hopefully blader owned will take its place.

[@tylermacmorris1361]

So everything keeps leading to only buying Them skates?

[@SJRollerblading]

Very informative. Glad you cleared things up for us. Nice approach too!

[@robertspundurs8639]

Could be on edge of bankrupcy. They are doing bad and sales of aggressive skates in general are low. AO scooter brand Is not doing great either in comparison of others.

[@wheelsceneblading]

Sales in aggressive are the highest they have been in years. Also, Razors now sell a considerable mount of recreational products.

[@robertspundurs8639]

It’s good to hear that there are some parts of the world where aggressive skating is taking off again. Although Latvian aggressive scene is literally dead. I don’t think Razors recrational line is doing well. I still think they are barely afloat and this is why they can’t pay their riders

[@robertspundurs8639]

@@wheelsceneblading , Just out of curiosity. What recreational products from Sunshine are you referring to? Bands or products. Can't find anything from Sunshine to fit rec category..

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@robertspundurs8639 Sunshine distribute Ground Control, who make freestyle and recreational frames, as well as freestyle and recreational wheels.

[@robertspundurs8639]

@@wheelsceneblading , if you think they sell considerable amount of these, I dare you to ask Andy if that's good business for his company. That's niche product and won't pay Jeph Howard medical bills at all. When company did well, they were sending out skates to anyone making some edits with them. Now IF they are asking to pay 50% of skate price pros, then it's clear signal they are just doing bad in sales and business. My 2 cents

[@weiyengkhoo1249]

Shops won't close down if Razors isn't around. Why sell a brand that doesn't care or pay their skaters. Skateshops can sell so many other brands like Mesmer, USD, Shadow, Them, Roces, FR, Seba, Flying Eagle. Razors is no different from another Alibaba company producing skates that doesn't have it's soul in skating.

[@wheelsceneblading]

Razors sell higher volumes than most of the brands you mentioned. I have personally spoken to shop owners who have said they may not be able to stay in business without Razors

[@weiyengkhoo1249]

@@wheelsceneblading I own a shop here in Asia and sell Razors too but will definitely be okay without Razors. Other skate brand operates their business ethically, therefore there is where Skateshop owners will put their money. Skaters who follow this whole ordeal will make a judgement on razors and if they don't support them anymore, Skateshops won't be able to sell Razors skates anymore cause no one wants to buy them. Business owners will then stock more of other brands. So razors won't break down the industry

[@pouringblue7]

I heard yours and Andy's relationship is #StrongerThanEver #powerslide

[@lacedmanoeuvres]

First thing's first thank you to everyone who supported Jeff for his hospital fees. It's amazing to see such love from the blading community come together to help someone in need. As for Razors, yeah they could of done more, but I suppose it's better than doing nothing... Razors may not have a great record over the years supporting thier riders fairly but we all make mistakes and hopefully Razors will learn from them. I'm not justifying what Razors have done and failed at meeting the standards of thier riders but I think we should all look ourselves in the mirror before judging a company that's been around a long time. Yeah by now you'd think they'd handle things more professionally but just cause a company or people don't meet a certain level standards sometimes doesn't mean we should ostracize or speak negatively about them. If anything we should come together to figure out a way to help Razors better themselves as a business. I know if it were me in Razors position and I made these sort of mistakes I'd seek and want all the help I can get to become better at supporting riders. I personally rarely skate with anyone cause a large majority of the blading communities have ostracized me simply cause of my beliefs and moral stardards which is sad considering all I've ever tried to do is help people and share truth about things. In a community supposedly aiming for "equality" it's hypocritical of people to shut me out for something I follow and believe in just like bladers themselves love and adore rollerblading. Especailly with everything that's going on in the world atm now more the ever is the time to help and support each other regardless of our differences and mistakes we've made. Forgiveness can be a powerful thing...

[@yandrielsilverio5924]

Hey, I appreciate your perspective. My initial approach with Razors was to help them out, you should check out my post on the 'Rollerblading Rollerblading' group to get a better understanding. I think that post opened up some change within the skate brand, which I hope they actually abide by, I want to see them grow... not come to an end.

[@lacedmanoeuvres]

@@yandrielsilverio5924 Rollerblading Rollerblading is one of the blading pages I got blocked from for expressing my beliefs in.

[@uu3903]

As stated in the video, no one is hoping for Razors to go under. It would do no one any good. The problem is they have a long and terrible record as outlined in this video and as acknowledged by you. What point are you trying to make that wasn't well-stated in the video? They don't deserve any forgiveness until they start behaving better of their own volition and not due to being dragged by their own riders on social media. They're not a small, new company who made their first little mistake.

[@lacedmanoeuvres]

@@uu3903 People are selling thier Razors skates like hot cakes on social media. Pro Riders have left Razors. I've seen alot of negative and hateful comments about Razors. So to me that looks like a lot of people don't care if Razors go under. And as for forgiveness, people shouldn't have to do good to earn it. It should be given out of the goodness of one's heart. If we sit back and wait for Razors to meet the level of standards the riders need, it may never happen cause there's not enough support and guidance given from blading communities. Rollerblading was ostracized from the X-Games and it's been a long hard road to get Rollerblading to where it's at. Look how much success Julio has with THEM Skates. You think he go this far as a business on his own? No. It's built and supported from a large majority of skaters around the world. I think the best thing people can do for Razors now is to reach out and talk to them and work out a solution to the way they handle thier company and do it with love and compassion and not let our emotions interfere.

[@uu3903]

@@lacedmanoeuvres This is the real world, not Sunday school. You endlessly turn your cheeks like some battered wife. Not for me. Like mentioned in the video, Razors has been behaving badly for years and seems to refuses to learn. And the scene has a short memory or flat out doesn't care because Razors product still sells out. I hope they do better. But if they don't then why wouldn't people buy from Julio and O'Neill instead of shitty companies? If they fail, they've got no one to blame but themselves as a large, established company who can't compete against small upstarts who charge more yet still profit and engender record levels of goodwill from the community. If you spent even a minute thinking about that last bit, this should all make sense to you. Are you spending as much effort writing to Razors management asking them to open their hearts and treat their riders with a basic level of decency? They wouldn't even need to out-do Them and Mesmer. I just want them to be not shitty.

[@larryjonn1973]

This is such a shame, because razors makes some amazing skates, its unfortunate for those sponsored

[@DatBoiAntix]

So the next best thing is someone to buy razors off Andy's hands. That's how we can keep the brand going and keep Andy away from the scene or razors will burn to the ground (not literally).

[@wheelsceneblading]

Andy’s not giving up Razors. It’s profitable and even the indiscretions outlined in this video will not be enough to discourage many from continuing to use the skates. I only hope putting some - and I can’t overstate some - of the things he’s done in one place for the public to see will make him act more responsibly in the future.

[@Leatt25]

Razors needs to be bought out and become fully decentralised.

[@caziteridici]

Great material. Thanks 👏🏻👏🏻

[@Martin_Krutina]

Perfect video! Thank you :)

[@k.dtrying2229]

Just starting out and hearing this is maddening.. I'm not in to the razor look.. I have 2 pairs of roces elements. 2 m12s usd sway and usd vii

[@prometheusofplanetx6176]

Damn. You must be Richie Rich.

[@k.dtrying2229]

Nope not rich I search hi and low and in the middle like crazy looking for promos and deals . First pair roces m12 $41.

[@Benrobertson8]

Hay av got a pair of shima 2z with low rider 50/50 loie zamora frames av got no idea what the age is I loved these skates what's your opinion?a no this question is a bit off the point but am looking to get back in to skating an just wondering if ad be better tryn a nuw pair hopefully a get a reply thank

[@wheelsceneblading]

If you like them, go for it

[@Benrobertson8]

Kool the are a bit bulky Al use them till a run down the outer wheels lol!any recommendations for what the top skates are at the moment?a used to skate rems a think thay went all tits up am not 100% a love skating hand rails 540s fakeie 720 off big sets so a need a skate that can take a beating lol

[@Madison-ic6js]

Which brand would you say is worth the purchase? I love razors but I don't want to support a brand that won't back the people who blade for it and give it the name it has.

[@wheelsceneblading]

USD, Them, Seba, FR, Rollerblade etc

[@wheelsceneblading]

Roces

[@SirDanielFortesque]

This sucks because Remz have always been my favorite skates & it's almost like buying those supports this by proxy. Similar experiences between riders of both brands it seems, Sunshine Dist. just dropping the ball on all fronts. That being said, a Fromm pro Adapt boot would be an insta buy.

[@menoyuno8430]

Wow I saw this a year late had no idea Jeff had such an injury razors should’ve used the opportunity for good publicity

[@wheelsceneblading]

They could have, but they blew it.

[@dmgd509]

Some things nvr change

[@17BKS]

Their failure to promote Andrew Broom is just baffling to me…call me crazy or naive, but I think that is the type of talent that could move some fucking skates. Any way you slice it, Jon Elliott (and then Shima) made Razors what it was, image-wise. The next generation took it and ran with it, but they made it cool. The fact there isn’t someone that passionate with their hands on the wheel anymore goes a long way toward explaining what’s happened. Let it be said one of the top 3 sections ever (Elliott BFG) was filmed in Razors 🪒

[@SirDanielFortesque]

Spot on, Broom is so so talented.

[@plastikmag]

Broom is so clean and basically a legend already!

[@chinobean3555]

jesus christ razors is fucked. i got back into rolling this year but i never liked razors cuz when i has a kid i had the shima twos and they just felt like tanks. im a usd kinda guy but daaamn i didnt know they were soo damn corrupt!

[@user-se2zz5lb4e]

They should be boycotted, and end the company all together, people will find other skates.

[@kw6466]

Nick Woods is still getting paid under the table by Andy 🤣🤣🤣

[@tothenextprogress]

I ride razors SL skates an they are perfect for my foot. Av tryed a few other skates but they just never feel right. Roces are to tight, usd sways not enuff support, usd aons soulplates to slow, adapt to expensive. The razor SL is just perfect. Not the first company to make good products but treat employees like crap just look at apple phone factory's

[@bigsleezy406]

Rollerblading went to shit when toe rolls and kicking lampposts became good tricks 🙄😂

[@wheelsceneblading]

That's a strange thing to say when it makes up such a small part of what we do. It's not like everyone is doing that type of skating. There are plenty of people skating big rails and more dangerous spots if that's your thing.

[@bigsleezy406]

@@wheelsceneblading it’s all I seem to see nowadays I’ve seen a video 2 days ago where I 3 years ago could do every trick they did and they’re pro !? I used to watch And think how tf but now it’s like yea I’ve done that before

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@bigsleezy406 have you seen the new Sam Crofts USD Aeon promo? I’m not attempting that stuff! It’s psycho!

[@bigsleezy406]

@@wheelsceneblading I haven’t but I will !

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@bigsleezy406 let me know what you think

[@lkshldrck]

I just feel bad for the current razors pros.

[@intrinsic.media.]

Unfortunately there just isn’t a ton of cash to be made as a pro rollerblader, no matter what company you ride for. Don’t think that will change any time soon either. With that being said Razors makes the best skates, in my opinion. They aren’t going anywhere no matter how crap Wagner treats his riders. Just stating the facts.

[@blanked_out_chin]

oof, i've been under a rock. i'm over razors

[@skyboy19ID]

The fact that there barely any blading youtuber talking about this issue is baffling. Yes, we get podcast but there some people who doesn't listen to podcast only to dig Razors mistreatment. Only you and Brandon so far that talk explicitly about the recent controversy, others only mention the recent incident but doesn't tell people about the Razors bad practice at all.

[@prometheusofplanetx6176]

According to Brandon, Tom Moyse and TWIB are currently too busy eating shit in life. Not sure what they're going through, but they will comment eventually.

[@prometheusofplanetx6176]

According to Brandon, Tom Moyse and TWIB are currently too busy eating shit in life. Not sure what they're going through, but they will comment eventually.

[@Djimons]

Awesome ending :)

[@jameswilliam2708]

Are Remz related to Razors?

[@wheelsceneblading]

Yes. Sunshine owns Razors, Remz, Reign, Ground Control and Titan Bearings

[@jameswilliam2708]

@@wheelsceneblading oh ok. I am getting back into skating after a 20 year break and am considering Remz HR 2.5….but would look at other options if purchasing them would be supporting Razors. It appears as if this is not quite the case?

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@jameswilliam2708 well, Andy owns all those companies.

[@jameswilliam2708]

@@wheelsceneblading right I see. I didn’t realise that who ‘Andy’ was. Any suggestions as to the best equivalent alternative to remz r2.5?

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@jameswilliam2708 I’m not sure. I’ve only ever skated one pair of Remz and it was the first Haffey pro skate. I wasn’t really a fan of the bulky look. I prefer a slimmed down skate.

[@ChickenMelon]

Sad af.

[@robertcelani974]

I’ll never buy anything from them they can keep making scooters

[@kevinkev1530]

Sad

[@Felix-b7i]

Look at Roman abraten He never win Winterclash pro But NO pro from razors bekomme that offen 2nd or 3rd place at Winterclash Thank He was at fise and more He got nö pro skate

[@timtaylor9590]

razors isnt doing anything no one should buy them

[@benruppel9651]

I’m going to put it like this, yeah skate companies make money but skating is first and foremost about skating. Billy O’Neil should know that, since he’s been pro and had his own skates, toured, etc. Putting one company on blast like this does little to benefit the sport as a whole. If no one else is going to say that, I will

[@wheelsceneblading]

If companies withhold money they have agreed to pay riders for no valid reason, that is worth being held accountable for.

[@benruppel9651]

Not having it, isn’t a valid reason?

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@benruppel9651 Andy has two mansions in California and an apartment in Barcelona. He has the money.

[@benruppel9651]

But does Razors have the money is the question, not necessarily the owner. Sorry for the shortness, I just feel differently about it I guess

[@wheelsceneblading]

@@benruppel9651 every major skate company has reported a huge increase in sales since the start of the pandemic. If Razors aren’t, that’s a failing on their part. Regardless, if you agree to pay a fee in return for a service and you have already received that service, you are liable for the cost. If I pay someone to build an extension on my house and I run out of money just before they complete it, I’m still responsible for paying. I don’t just get to say, “Sorry, not happening.”

[@mr.rodriguez5099]

Jeph Howard didn't say a single word against Razors since he was injured...actually he seemed quite happy by the initiative organized by Razors for him...enough said about this 'controversy' against Razors...

[@uu3903]

That's only the catalyst that sparked this broader, important conversation about Razors. People have every right to know about the business practices of companies they patronize. Look at the community support behind Them and Mesmer because of how they treat their team. They're making waves in the industry for all the right reasons. In a podcast with Jan, Mathias/Powerslide clearly states that he has some regrets with earlier decisions made with riders for USD. But now he's making amends and doing better with his partnership with Billy/Mesmer. It's never too late to learn, but folks shouldn't be forgiven if they keep acting shitty.

[@PSauce-km4hn]

They should just use environment friendly materials for their skates, it's good PR.

[@longtermsquatter]

Exactly, let's focus on environmental packaging and ignore the mistreatment of so-called sponsored skaters

[@mr.rodriguez5099]

Razors are making good skates at a good price and spare parts are always available. They are honest with the consumers: the skaters. Some of the competitors sell expensive skates which fall apart, with cheap components and spare parts that are never available. That's dishonesty. yet some of the 'voices of blading' are attacking Razors and they are silent on the main issue: quality and affordability of skates. THEM cheapest skates it's £300 in the UK with a garbage stock liner in it. USD Aeon is over £300 as well and the skates will last less than 1 year. do you really think that this is a sustainable model? no it's not. I'd like to hear more about these real issues from the 'voice of blading'. we need to protect skaters first. if you want to protect the pro rider protect the consumer first. without the consumers pro-riders would not exist.

[@hoax34]

TLDR...

[@mr.rodriguez5099]

@@hoax34 short version: Razors are great skates..other arguments are BS!

[@evancervantes6370]

why cant they be employees? or why wont rzrs make them . pissed u didnt even talk abt scooters

[@longtermsquatter]

Pissed he didn't talk about scooters? Why would he talk about a separate business? A category should survive on its own merits

[@evancervantes6370]

@@longtermsquatter they're covered?

[@longtermsquatter]

@@evancervantes6370 you're asking me?

[@longtermsquatter]

If skaters don't have a large following already then they shouldn't be sponsored.