When 1080p is better than 4K?

[@readysetdrone]

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[@azyeica]

I wish DJI next update put res 2k/60

[@chris]

I've been flying my Neo at 1080p/60 as well. It makes a huge difference -- thank you for confirming this. Great comparison video!!

[@readysetdrone]

Thanks, Chris!

[@400AGLNET]

This seems to be a great affordable option for decent fpv. It might be the drone that gets me back into drones a bit.

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

For sure, Mel! It's definitely a unique and versatile little quad.

[@JeremyHolmes]

YOU ARE LEGEND! Infinite love & gratitude from Colorado!

[@coimbrafpv]

Excellent video!!! Congratulations!!!

[@readysetdrone]

Thank you very much!

[@laurencelarson]

So helpful

[@RayRay-zc2ed]

I don’t have a Neo because I have the 2 equipment and an RC 1, but I totally agree I like 60 fps for drones. I don’t like less than 60 fps because I definitely see the skipping and it makes it so it’s not enjoyable. I can also see it in your video on both the goggles and the RC 2. If dji ever make the Neo compatible with my equipment I would definitely fun it at 1080 60 fps.

[@MichaelBennett1]

I happen to think 30fps is more cinematic but if the camera sensor is high enough quality then 1080p should be fine for most purposes unless you're planning on cropping.

[@readysetdrone]

We agree, in theory, but for some reason, DJI makes 30 fps really jittery with their FPV quads. Their camera drones, like Mini 4 pro or Air 3s, etc., are fine at lower frame rates. 🤔

[@txarchdroneguy4731]

Great info Kelly; the highest resolution isn’t necessarily the best solution. Thanks for the discussion.

[@RichardOutdoors]

Very interesting. I think it’s a little known fact that many very high profile KZbinrs shoot all their videos in 1080p. Unless mega zooming, it’s just about unnoticeable to the naked eye.

[@ttsky126]

this 'jittery' is actually just rolling shutter which is happening due to low processing power/slow readout of the sensor

[@readysetdrone]

Interesting that it also happens with the Avata 2. 4k / 60 looks great, but 4k / 30 has the same jittery look.

[@markgodsell816]

Fascinating. I was intending to get the Neo as a backup drone and for more active shots where I don't really want to risk my main drone. Plus use the personal tracking feature. But the quality of video worried me.4K has jitter and artifacts in all but the slowest, smoothest shots I have seen. But now clearly for what I want the Neo in 1080 60fps is great. Decision made. Thank you. Do you think that there may be a firmware update for some 'in between' 60fps settings or is the small imaging chip the issue and they are locked in hardware and not software at the 2 resolutions?

[@readysetdrone]

We don't have any insider info -- we're just regular guys. 😎 You are probably right in thinking that it's a hardware limitation, but your guess is as good as ours. The NEO is still an amazing and versatile little drone, despite its limitations. Thanks for commenting!

[@fireberg_eth]

Thanks for the video!

[@readysetdrone]

You are welcome!

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

Turn off the image stabilization and stabilise in post. It looks such better. The in-camera stabilization is messing with the footage somehow.

[@readysetdrone]

Interesting. We will have to try that.

[@RonaldBrown59]

1080p 60fps makes sense if your flying the Neo FPV style. Great video, thanks for sharing.

[@JackSparrowSoul]

The question is what could be better: smoother 1080p/60 footage upscaled with Davinci Resolve to 4k, or jittery 4k/30 stabilized with Davinci Resolve? I have to try it out. Thanks for bringing this idea.

[@readysetdrone]

Hmm. I feel like there's potential to remove the jitter with obstacle flow in Resolve. We've never tried it though.

[@DarkStoneCastle]

I like to record in 4K30 and use Topaz Video AI to convert footage from 30 to 60 fps.

[@readysetdrone]

Nice! We just find it difficult to fly in goggles when the video is so jittery (it makes us feel like there's a disconnect or lack of control while flying), but on a controller or phone screen it's not bad, so that's a good workaround.

[@jasonzdora]

I wonder if the Topaz frame replacement (30hz to 60hz) is better than their upscaling algo. Meaning, would you get better results filling in every other frame with AI or would you get better results with upscaling from 1080 to 4k while recording in 60fps.

[@luis.enciso]

Yes you Can later upscale 4K 30 from 1080 P 60. The same way you can add fps to 4K 30 to make it 4K 60, 100, 90, 120, and reduce cinematic jittery

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

Or frame generate 30 --> 60

[@luis.enciso]

@@RowOfMushyTiT makes more sense to generate from existing data than upscale and makeup pixels from thin air.

[@readysetdrone]

Totally agree with you, but if you're flying FPV style, the stuttering in the goggles makes it really uncomfortable and difficult to fly. It's hard to explain, but it almost feels laggy. Just not a great flying experience, but on a controller, and with the help of some post processing, then yes, higher resolution makes sense. 👍 Thanks for the comments.

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

@@luis.enciso Framegen is pretty good now.

[@readysetdrone]

What do you like to use for frame generating?

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

This applies to all drones. I use 4K to get the higher resolution but 30, or 40 FPS instead of 60 to lower the memory consumption and get more time between swapping memory cards. I know, buying larger cards is another way to do it.

[@readysetdrone]

That makes sense on paper, but our experience is that higher frame rates are better (60 fps was smoother than 30 fps on the Avata series as well). Since the Avatas can shoot in 4k at 60 fps, we prefer that option. Basically, try choosing the highest resolution at 60fps. Here's our video about the Avata 2 and the stuttering if you want to check that out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6bYaKVogMyAepIsi=HJ7I3hnTXA63ZDQ_

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

@@readysetdrone Flying those small drones the way usually done the high frame rate is surely needed. Flying a Mavic3 pro in a totally different way is a lot different. Quick rotations are only used for swinging the camera around and those parts are mostly cut out. Slow moves is used when recording.

[@Adabulldoya]

So how about the avata 2 having a better camera? Is it also better at 1080 60? I do 4k 120 and I absolutely love it

[@readysetdrone]

You're good setting the Avata 2 at 4K 120. The real issue is the frame rate on DJI goggles and recordings. The NEO is unable to have a higher frame rate than 30 fps at 4K. We have found that the minimum frame rate is 60 fps (we haven't tried 50, but it's probably fine). We would prefer 4k 60 on the NEO, but it's not possible, so we'd rather sacrifice resolution for smooth video. We made a similar video with the Avata 2 here, comparing 4K/30 vs 4K/60 if you want to check it out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6bYaKVogMyAepIsi=BB0rjUrWhzz5yyX1&t=58

[@rcwck]

So you're saying that the recording setting affects the live viewing also? Can you explain how that works?

[@readysetdrone]

In the goggles, you see what the camera sees. When the camera is shooting at 60 fps, you see those extra frames and the footage looks smoother.

[@toosas]

is there software out there that could create intermediate frames for 4k/30 footage to make it feel smoother

[@readysetdrone]

Yes, there is software to interpolates frames, but during the actual flight experience (FPV with goggles for the most part), that's where it's really not comfortable for the pilot.

[@skyhawk21]

4k is more like 1080 p upscaled, so is 1080 p upscaled from 720p?

[@readysetdrone]

Hmmm?🤨

[@lifeneedsmorechill]

with your logic, the 720p is upscaled from 480p and on and on and on

[@georgehampton25]

Thanks for this info!

[@jasonzdora]

I have yet to try this myself but planned on it. Thank you for the excellent comparison! Ive also heard that there is less latency when shooting 1080/60. Im new to manual flight so the NEO at 4k seems "fine" to me. Im not very experienced yet, so I cant really say for sure. I wonder if the latency going to be noticeably better at 1080

[@readysetdrone]

It is most noticeable when you fly using the goggles. NEO would be a good option for learning to fly FPV.

[@jasonzdora]

@@readysetdrone Yep! Ive been practicing daily with my NEO (bought from UK Amazon) with 4k30 and Im interested to see if it feels any nicer on 1080/60. Thanks for the video!

[@readysetdrone]

Let us know if you feel a difference.

[@highestvirtue1892]

Can i fly fpv with the rc2

[@readysetdrone]

No

[@Adabulldoya]

The window shades are a real good example when you go into the front. Real choppy on 4k much smoother on 1080

[@readysetdrone]

Exactly! Thanks very much for watching and commenting.

[@alexislobo4416]

I ask you friends, if I don't fly it in FPV mode, I only fly it in normal mode with the regular control, not for FPV, smooth and cinematic videos, then can I leave it in 4K? Or is that tip that you are showing better for the 2 flight modes as you show in the video?

[@readysetdrone]

You should be fine to fly in 4K / 30fps if you are doing smooth, slower shots. 👍

[@alexislobo4416]

@@readysetdronethanks 😊

[@Weider63]

Can you fly with an RC2 in FPV mode?

[@readysetdrone]

If you're talking about true FPV style (like manual mode), no, it flies like a camera drone unless you use goggles and either the Motion controller or FPV controller.

[@Weider63]

@@readysetdrone manual mode can’t be activated when using the RC2?

[@readysetdrone]

No, it doesn't look like it to me. The interface is exactly like a Mini 3 or Mini 4 pro, so it behaves like a 3 axis camera drone. In fact, Horizon Steady seems to be automatically enabled, of course in the final recording, but also during the flight, in the transmitted live view. There's no mechanical 3 axis gimbal to keep the horizon locked, so it's all electronic and real time (as far as I can tell).

[@muhammadishfaqmarwat4115]

Can i buy dji neo first time drone use Plz advise

[@readysetdrone]

Yes. Definitely.

[@SmartMetering]

This is interessting. Normally, very short shutter speed causing such jittery footage. So we dont know what shutter speed dji is setting up in their drones. Maybe 180 degree rule and shorter if more light is aviabel. I cant belive that 4k is using a shorter shutter speed then 1080p. And this should be the reason.

[@readysetdrone]

We originally thought that ND filters would help, but it seems like a DJI issue with their FPV drones. If you get a chance to try it with any of DJI's FPV drones, like the Avata, you should see a big difference. Personally, flying with DJI goggles at 30fps is very disorienting.

[@RobTalariaKilleenTx]

You think the Rocksteady has something to do to with it?

[@readysetdrone]

I really don't because you don't see the EIS in the googles and that's where you really see the jitters at 4K 30p when yawing.

[@Daniel-qo3gh]

I need help, I haven't been able to get out of 4k, it won't let me move to 1080, can someone give me a hand?

[@readysetdrone]

Hmm, that's frustrating! Have you tried connecting directly to the NEO's WiFi from your phone and set the resolution from there? Are you having this problem in the goggles?

[@fpv-patb3708]

AND You save some space on the tiny internal mermory. ;-)

[@LowryDroneography-Steve]

The ground was just being plain out of order there at the end. There was no need for it to jump out at Kelly like that, completely unreasonable ground behaviour.

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

I'm glad you agree, Steve! 😅

[@readysetdrone]

Ground and trees - all out to get me!

[@LowryDroneography-Steve]

@@readysetdrone 😂 You just have to watch out if they team up with the squirrels, then it’s all too much.

[@pedromoreno6836]

Great test thank you mine it will arrived today…. This info is very halp full

[@johnnymac26]

Agreed 1080p is still a winner hey wasn't that long ago 480 i was the daddy lol

[@SuperMan19867]

also 1080p seems more stabilized

[@shutthedoor2052]

stick 4k if you're stretching your videos to 9:16

[@readysetdrone]

👍 yeah, if you're doing vertical videos, you'll need all the resolution you can get.

[@robertomguimaraes]

60fps for FPV fast run. 4k30 to slow and stactic footage.

[@readysetdrone]

Exactly! 👍

[@SFBenjaminK]

1080P died decade ago, I don't have any devices have 1080p everything I have is 4K, BUT i bought HoverAir Promax in combo pak comes with All the accessories Can't wait to get it next month, this is just a stripdown 4K drone👎

[@readysetdrone]

Yeah, I've heard some good things about that hover air drone. It's definitely pricier, but I guess you get what you pay for.

[@AtortAerials]

If your got a DJI Neo you made a big mistake. 😂

[@readysetdrone]

Lol. We're full of mistakes here! 😂 This also happens with the Avatas too, but they do allow 4K / 60. It's crazy how jittery 30 fps is in the goggles.