When did games become so soft?

[@crazymic79]

A game for everyone is a game for no one.

[@andypantsgaming]

THIS!!!!!!

[@Barakon]

Then folk should be able to make games for women that don’t condescend, & other similar examples of appealing to folk, in other words. Have artists make art for themselves.

[@andypantsgaming]

@@Barakon Artists making gay art for themselves is the problem

[@Barakon]

@@andypantsgaming NUH UH, INDIE GAMES AIN'T HURTIN SHIT! THE PROBLEM IS BLACKROCK FORCING EVERYONE TO MAKE EVERYTHING IN THE MAINSTREAM GAMING SCENE THE LAME KIND OF GAY! GAMING AS AN ART FORM DIDN'T BECOME ALL THAT BIGGER THAN IT USED TO BE, IT'S JUST EASIER FOR OUTSIDERS TO FIND THE GOOD SHIT ONLINE NOW!

[@contra7631]

​@@andypantsgaming True.Most of the artists are these days gays,lesbian or bisexual in Usa.

[@way2tehdawn]

In their attempts to not offend anyone, they offended me. How ironic.

[@I-absolveyouofyoursins]

Lol

[@youcantbeatk7006]

It was never about not offending anyone. It was always about pushing progressivist ideals.

[@immorganstl]

Maybe if you didn’t have Capitalism wanting to make everything as available as possible to as many people as possible all for the sake of profit you wouldn’t have this issue, also “woke” isn’t a word and you couldn’t tell me what it meant even if you were Einstein, and he was a socialist.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

@@immorganstl Communism is literally sympathized at least and openly promoted at worse in almost all mainstream American media. You're not against them, you're with them. Do you really think when media companies produce rage bait like any of these "the future is female pieces," the majority of modern superhero media, or anything with raceswaps, do you really think they're doing it because they believe it's what's most profitable? They literally pay billions to push their leftwing extremism. That's not capitalism.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

@@immorganstl Long before the Sweet Baby Inc controversy, it's been public knowledge that radical leftist organizations are paid for their consulting by numerous major media companies. There's not a single equivalent circumstance with rightwing politics ever within the last few decades of western media.

[@ryanrocks93]

Bro fortnite won’t even let you say “kill” in a gun game

[@DOCtorActoAntohich]

it's not "kill" it's "unalive"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (really annoying)

[@MajerHawk]

Are you serious?

[@Jamaalalalaajajaamalala]

God is good

[@watchf]

It’s clearly made for kids though. It’s like being mad Minecraft doesn’t have blood or something

[@watchf]

I doubt that too

[@jaxafrass7873]

90s had iconography 2000s had edge 2010s had advancements 2020s has baby proof everything Wtf dude

[@Manicman746]

games even look soft too like they turned the brightness up way too much and on top of that soft colors? wtf since 2016

[@jillthinksimabreakfasttaco4904]

Women, specifically white liberal women are the reason for this

[@dannysummers4591]

@@Manicman746 they did the same thing to strategy games too, new civilization games look like pixar movies lmao

[@MrLinkkid]

​​@@dannysummers4591age of wonders 4 is pretty good if you like civ games... You can be an Eldritch demon god if you want lol. You can also be a dragon lord, a wizard king or just a champion too.

[@maegalroammis6020]

try to make your researches if you're not happy.

[@andrazprelec8263]

>Atractive women >Shows Fallout New Vegas I mean, everyone has their own kink I guess

[@ginke1996]

Veronica and Cass are attractive

[@Cello10131]

I'd rather do it with Primm Slimm than look at that ugly Abby from TLOU2, the main character of Forspoken etc. New Vegas women clear all the DEI goblins by a giant margin.

[@gemgem-hl7ii]

​@@Cello10131The main character of Forspoken is actually physically attractive.

[@gemgem-hl7ii]

@@Cello10131 yeah i will keep telling myself that, thanks. Maybe she is not your type but she isn't one of those characters that the devs deliberately made to be ugly. Her character sucks, sure, but they didn't make her appearance ugly.

[@gemgem-hl7ii]

@@Cello10131 if you perceived that as aggressive then maybe you're the one who isn't mentally healthy

[@grimvisionz91]

Without a little edge, everything has become quite dull.

[@indexwell6546]

Damn thats good line

[@MALICEM12]

On one hand that's true, but on the other I don't want a backlash to bring about absolutely degeneracy and moralessnese. It's possible to have grit and fun without being an edgelord

[@dankovac1609]

​​@@MALICEM12 A knife with a good edge can easily cut you. So its about how you use it. Give it to a chef, and he cooks you a masterpiece. Give it to an ex, and you have a felony.

[@MALICEM12]

@@dankovac1609 a very centrist response, but who ensures it stays out of the hands of your Ex?

[@dankovac1609]

@@MALICEM12 The person responsible for the knife. I agree with that response. Regarding the topic of the video, i think the main goal should be to not center mainly around the two groups of "edgy" and "soft", as i find it just isn't descriptive enough of all gamers. To get back to the knife analogy, you won't be issued a box cutter as a soldier. The same way , you won't see Amazon workers opening boxes with bayonets. That is what is in my opinion happening with games. You have people who like the edgyness being forced to tone down games for people who did not even sign up for the experience, and people who like progressive, toned down but still exciting games that suddenly try compete with edgy games like its a presidental debate and judge the other party. Honestly, if the industry did not try to make games into live services, selling digital copies, following trends and trying to pull all sides of the gaming scene into their overworked IPs there would be far less of these problems. So basically i dont think its an edge vs soft problem, but its a problem of the industry being not about passion but making as much money and getting it to as many people. Just give your soldiers bayonets, give the amazon workers box cutters, give the gardeners shears, the hikers swiss knives... just please your target audience. Other audiences won't touch it. If they do want to, they will have to learn to not cut themselves on new more serious blades, and those used to more intense ones will have to learn to chill and take it from a different perspective. Sadly that target audience has to be literally everyone nowadays.

[@plum.world.entertainment]

i'm honestly scared for what gta 6 is gonna be considering they removed some old dialog from gta 5 because it's was "offensive"

[@andypantsgaming]

do you know what they removed?

[@plum.world.entertainment]

@@andypantsgaming ion remember what it was but it was something with trevor and the lgbtq or something

[@Ronuk1996]

Witcher 1 remake is also having things removed.

[@AQ_ChristianZ]

Even though i hate the structure and gameplay of gta 5 online, i hope that the main story of gta 6 comes in full force, not giving a shit about public opinion and just doing their own thing. Shaking the current gaming scene

[@SoullessHA]

​@@Ronuk1996 huh? What exacly???

[@MrTrueCaller619]

Shoving GAY sh!t into games is the most offensive thing '

[@bouzaziayoub3980]

Fr bro fill your pine 😢

[@sham00ly75]

It's a twisted reality we live in. Not too long ago everyone agreed that these things were immoral and unacceptable, now all of a sudden it's everywhere and you can't even say that you think it's wrong.. If you do, you're cancelled... Not only an issue with games, it's in everything... Sad to see this...

[@rodrigofreitas3288]

@@sham00ly75 Or censored. Countries from the west have become authoritarian regarding this topic.

[@rodrigofreitas3288]

@@sham00ly75 Or censored. Countries from the w 3 S T have become authoritarian regarding this topic. (Ironically my comment got removed lmao)

[@Pain-Glory]

@@sham00ly75It’s a byproduct of our society as a whole becoming more degenerate. Children being sheltered and over sexualized. Taught that there’s no god and everything is subjective perspective based on how you feel in any given moment. Objective reality was no longer taught to them.

[@jimbeaux89]

It’s all just soulless, cookie cutter, corporate garbage. There’s no creativity. There’s no character. Gaming in the early 2000’s was the best. You’d get a huge array of games.

[@ItsShaggy3]

GTA6 Lucia looking the way she does, worries me. I’m gonna put a hold on the purchase until it is verified by DEI detected by Kabrutus. The guy said Rockstar doesn’t care if it offended people. True, but that means they could choose to not care about us the players as well.

[@FazeParticles]

that's called the gay and lame model.

[@bangg_bhai420]

Let's just hope Jason and Lucia are just a couple

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

I'd say mid 90s to early 2000s. There are some good ones now but the problem is... Not enough people are playing them. Example RS2: Vietnam, Squad 44, non cheaters in EFT. I feel like I got to enjoy the peak of video games but at the time didn't realize it was the peak.

[@Antiprincipl3]

​@@ItsShaggy3Lucia looks good though, they even had the guts to give her the thunder thighs.

[@AlexanderVonMalachi]

Nerd culture going mainsteam was a mistake.

[@NotUp2Much]

Games were better back when they were made by japanese incels and white guys. Now every game feels like an HR meeting because that's primarily who's making them.

[@HatredInTheFlesh]

Video games are expensive to make bro, more profit isn’t a bad thing. Keeps these companies afloat

[@NotUp2Much]

Oh hey look, my comment was deleted. Fuck youtube and their bots that auto remove comments.

[@niko-j-a4838]

Yeah, it's ironic how now those burocrats want to please ppl who doesn't play video games. Now we have to think in the "Modern audiences" and back in the day (NOT EVEN THAT, THAT WAS 5 YEARS AGO) if you say you play cod, Minecraft or that the girls would bully you.

[@kriegschiff]

​@@HatredInTheFlesh They're expensive because of corporate mismanagement and casuals that will buy a game with better graphics instead the one with more interesting story or mechanics. A small team of good writers or programmers is much less expensive than a cohort of graphic designers. You can have either 9000 people make diablo 4 or 100 people make helldivers 2. Guess which one is a smarter business decision

[@kqwr0]

Basically all the good developers got rich and quit in 2020-2022 and now we are left with the weirdos

[@palmtreez29]

We got "Running with Scissors" who actually care about their fans

[@macaronipotato]

Women and gay people aren’t “weirdos”. Grow up.

[@MariusCeausu-zc7uy]

​@@macaronipotatoyou are right.........................not

[@Arvnq]

I think i will start with game developing, i cant stand this gay shi anymore

[@alink1837]

​@@Arvnqwe counting on you.

[@keiichi8191]

It's a fundamental misunderstanding of cause and effect which has pushed the industry into a death spiral. In trying to make games that appeal to "everyone" they end up making games that appeal to no one, which results in fewer sales, which leads to the publishers panicking and thinking they need to appeal to an even WIDER audience to compensate, which results in even more customer apathy... All of it, just because they refused to accept the premise that gaming in general just appeals more to men than women. It's like if cosmetics companies suddenly said "You know, women are 98% of our market and I think that's a problem. If we marketed our makeup to men, we could get an extra 50% customer base!" So they start marketing their makeup heavily at men. But men aren't really interested in buying makeup, and the focus on men turns off women, so the company just goes out of business. Gaming companies aren't just chasing a female audience that isn't interested, but they're also now chasing an LGBTQIAWTFBBQ++ audience which is...what? At most like 2% of the potential market? And by marketing towards THEM, they're turning off the 98% of customers that aren't interested in pronouns and "body type A" on the character creation screens. Know your audience.

[@davemeltzer614]

Woke is weird.

[@chips4582]

Woke is broke

[@draco_1876]

It’s not a real thing.

[@SlyCooper1920]

​@@chips4582Woke is trash

[@vivekkparashar]

​@@draco_1876 It is , at least wokies want to it that way

[@mohammadhussien5223]

Woke is disgusting.

[@thesorrow7499]

My biggest problem is the invincible NPCs. The player can die at any moment, but some random merchant in Starfield is too important to die.

[@Eli-mb5wd]

Then you have fallout new Vegas where you can kill everyone if you want to then in like the outer worlds you can kill everybody and they count for that with computers and etc

[@therobustempyrean1436]

​@@Eli-mb5wdWhich is hilarious, because it's just an NPC being essential under a different name.

[@Eli-mb5wd]

@@therobustempyrean1436 exactly like fallout new Vegas and the outer worlds don’t care what so ever if you kill everyone you see but fo4 you can’t kill Preston unless the nuke works dlc

[@hmilles]

@@Eli-mb5wd both of the positive examples were developped by obsidian, quite a woke team of writers and directors btw. there were non-killable NPC-s in basically every other bethesda game, its just a result of lazy writing and game design on their end

[@Eli-mb5wd]

@@hmilles Ik

[@blackgoo7494]

I think they are trying to impress investors instead of gamers thats why games now a days going safe play

[@gwenmcgarry528]

Reeeeaaaal, everything is about investors and shareholder value instead of anything real

[@Jonathanloh1992]

Is America getting dumber or is it just me? I’m just asking.

[@GregorianMG]

​@@Jonathanloh1992Infinite growth will ironically held everything back if you apply it too much.

[@Greybell]

Yup. Nothing to do with the devs since they need to please their investors first and foremost.

[@moisesezequielgutierrez]

WHEN YOU BECAME AN OPEN PUBLIC COMPANY:

[@Notorious_ERD]

Once a very masculine man named Armstrong told me " America is diseased, rotten to the core." Now I understand what was he saying.

[@baconlord2545]

They want to prevent children from experiencing adult content, but in reality the children already experience adult content everyday by just being next to their parents and watching unfiltered content like youtube, TikTok, etc.

[@-_-_Bl1Zz_-_-]

Yea bro, my uncle and me was playing pubg when i was 8

[@-_-_Bl1Zz_-_-]

Content in youtube is now uhh... Like you just said

[@bulbman.]

That's false, five year olds don't play Fallout 76

[@-_-_Bl1Zz_-_-]

@@bulbman. Hmmm.mp3

[@bulbman.]

@@-_-_Bl1Zz_-_- 😱

[@coliver0]

By bringing diversity into games, we lost the diversity of our games.

[@Rock-yg9ln]

This sounds deep but if you think about it, its such a childish mindset. Only looking at the biggest comoanies and games you see it but what about all the indie games? We have si many unique projects that have and are coming out

[@pfft5795]

@@Rock-yg9ln Doesn't really matter when your favorite franchise is crumbling before your eyes tho does it

[@Rock-yg9ln]

@@pfft5795 you just sound bitter. Things crumble if they go on for too long. Either crumble or stop before it. Whining about it in a comment section is embarrising 💀

[@pfft5795]

@@Rock-yg9ln not really whining brotha, simply stating a fact, I don't need any forced lg tv content in my space

[@Zoitful]

​@@Rock-yg9lnAnd will have none of that, if the woke will stay in the industry, they will just leave the big companies for the indie ones. The difference is in the fact that the big ones will survive, we can "thank" licenses that will stay in their "motherlode" like Microsift and the small ones will die, with all their history.

[@ARStudios2000]

Whats even weirder about the "safe for the whole family" thing is that their attempt at "being edgy" is either sex jokes, or lots of cursing and swearing and f words. Like, what even is the plan here?

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

f word but not the fa word huh, freaking soft modern trash

[@ReDsKaz]

Basically (almost) any show that was written by vivziepop

[@jollygrapefruit786]

There is no plan they just stuck at their jobs.

[@humanity_moment.]

Aren't the adults supposed to be the only ones able to pick up on those jokes? These writers know how to cuss, yet they know jack shit about subtlety

[@toxicshock4748]

So does gta 4?? One of the main jokes is Franklin getting roasted for having a "ye ye ass haircut"and it has a bunch of cussing and talks about Franklin getting bitches on his dick then it ends with him calling Franklin the n word before walking away

[@someguy760]

For anyone wondering why this is upsetting: Imagine if the company that makes your *favorite* *food* changed the formula so much that it now tastes disgusting and you can no longer eat it anymore.

[@cousinzeke4888]

Imagine, for example, you hate pickles. Absolutely can't stand them. You go to your favorite restaurant and see pickles are an option on a few items. Who cares, you just won't order those. Next time they're an option on everything. Still not a problem. Next time they're default on everything. Now it's a problem, though you can still ask for no pickles so it's bearable. Next time they're not removable. Well they're on everything so you say screw it, I'll eat somewhere else. _Every_ other restaurant you go to follows this same trajectory, faster and faster every time until you can't find anywhere to eat. Suddenly you find one single place that has food you like and not a single pickle in sight. Naturally, this immediately becomes your favorite restaurant. One day you order your favorite meal and take a bite. And you taste pickles. That's the world we live in now. There is nowhere you can go to get away from this garbage anymore.

[@Gov.Fuckhead]

​@@cousinzeke4888Nice allegory. Hat's off.

[@someguy760]

@@cousinzeke4888 I agree. That's why most of the games I play are at least 10+ years old. It can be disappointing to imagine what the video game industry could have been if so many people didn't try so hard to destroy it. Imagine consoles having PS2 era fun and creativity that also have 2024 era graphics. That's what we could have had.

[@cousinzeke4888]

@@someguy760 The thought of Tomb Raider Legend in the reboot trilogy engine is enough to make me tear up. Or Mercenaries 2 in the frostbite engine. I need to stop before I hurt myself.

[@someguy760]

@@cousinzeke4888 I know your pain and I like your pickle analogy. For some reason, KZbin cut off the bottom part of your comment earlier. I'm just reading it now. In the future, we'll be old men talking at a campfire to a group of kids about the good old days when games were fun and not online stores and casinos.

[@maravreloaded]

When the Tumblr tweens cried their path to Hollywood.

[@riskypugga]

You don't want to get political but it's literally because of political reasons that these unwanted changes happen, so its kinda unavoidable.

[@MALICEM12]

This, western centrists can't bury their heads in the sand anymore

[@clydemarshall8095]

Amen

[@gwenmcgarry528]

Literally, capitalism is completely intertwined with this issue

[@TheFaithfulDragon]

@@gwenmcgarry528 of course, not wokeism and crazed ESG cults in production, lets just blame capitalism (i mean i can agree its part of the problem, but dont try to deflect blame from the "inclusiveness" issue)

[@MaxiusTheGod]

@@gwenmcgarry528 you say that, but everything safe sells LESS. If it was capitalism unrestrained by politics we would be getting MORE edgy games.

[@antilysisgaming5646]

I think cyberpunk 2077 is also pretty safe. They could have done so much more with the setting.

[@andypantsgaming]

It was safer than it should have been

[@evandroescutatrap131]

​@@andypantsgaming probably because of the development not been complete. The game faced controversy for a fucking in-game ad which wasn't even offensive, lol. I think it would've been better if it was launched as inteded. Still better than most, imo

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

It is, I was just playing it today and realized you can shoot random NPC's but you can't even kill a single joytoy on jigjig street.

[@YeOldeMachine]

Wait til you see the next one...

[@noonesomeone669]

It is safe in spots but the wider reading of the work reveals it is not. The Evelyn sequence, the BD snuff side mission, the suicide option for an ending, and more. The game may not allow maximal freedom like GTA, but often it is more mature and nuanced in what it says than a GTA game.

[@meluniverce]

after paris olympics opening we can clearly see that world is going down in a disaster.

[@tbgzar1351]

Late response , in my country the ceremony was censored ,it was until I have seen what they did that I felt something spark me hard...

[@MrLVujovic]

Gojira performance was only good thing at that showcase.

[@Spacemongerr]

Why? Because of the portrayal of Dionysus, the Ancient Greek god of wine, in the depiction of The Feast of the Gods? The one some navel-gazing Christians misinterpreted as being of The Last Supper?

[@foresta-2684]

@@Spacemongerr Bot detected.

[@Spacemongerr]

@@foresta-2684 I don't think you know what a bot is.

[@johnny2598]

Nah, main reason is ESG. Game companies need money for their games. Banks like Blackrock will give money only if companies have a good ESG score.

[@thehunt8r]

Facts

[@warmesuppe]

However luckily this trend is dying, because esg makes company's less profitable.

[@johnny2598]

@@warmesuppe Hope so. Movies also suck nowadays. Gladiator 2 trailer gave me seizure.

[@johnboylan3832]

@@warmesuppe Blackrock aren't in it for profit, they don't even use their own money.

[@badass6300]

@@warmesuppe they are rebranding it, it's not dying. BRIDGE or whatever the other new one was. It's a calm before the storm.

[@majorborngusfluunduch8694]

In No Russian you're actually playing a CIA agent going undercover as a terrorist. Thats what makes the mission interesting in terms of morals, and is also the catalyst for what comes after that mission.

[@chrishansen4541]

When something becomes popular it needs to be censored for the normie masses

[@NO-FILTER-EXPERT]

Thats not true. This is why we have ratings for both movies and games. Rated M games are supposed to be for adults/mature people Rated E/T games are supposed to be mainly for kids The problem in today's modern insanity is that we have full grown adult weirdos running the show/trying to treat everyone in the world like a child. You know who these people are. The parents of these kind of people are just as bad because instead of them parenting/not allowing their child to play rated M games they instead try to hard to shift blame on the creator of product/service and blame them for making a mature game. We need to get rid of these weirdos so we can bring back our basic sanity back!

[@GOTTA_RUN]

^ nah You're wrong Spencer. Plus the rating system in video games doesn't even matter like that anymore. Some M-rated games are still getting censored and even taking out some of the blood

[@Xanthro2]

​@@GOTTA_RUN Its not exactly like hes wrong, censoring to M rated games has been happening since 08 at least. His point, the "adults" (adult bodies with child minds) don't care to "parent" there kids. Game makers know this. Cod used to be a cesspit, now u get ban for saying F too much. BF used to be a cesspit, now u get ban for a dumb name. GTA5... 400+ uses of the N word, 1100+ uses of the F word, but cant type S in chat, never mind all the bodies spraying and sploding around ya well you sell some biker biz :D All media makers as a whole understand that parents no longer care to parent... All parents understand that the responsibility of parenting is too hard so they "path of least resistance" and cry for censorship... We live in a world that claims "equality of outcome" is what "equality" means, and if you don't understand this phrase, you are apart of the issue and valid proof of the point he is making. "The only way we can all be truly equal, is when we are all equally miserable" But hey, its not like we did anything to prevent it :D

[@Xanthro2]

@@pogers625 "People don't play games for fun anymore" The post. Goodness, the embodiment of a Karin in a post. Fun is subjective, but making such a broad claim is sus af :D, but thats ok, opinions are like arseholes and what not.

[@Xanthro2]

@@pogers625 I was summorizing your post from my perspective. I can see why you dont play games for fun, you have no intuitiveness or perception to see.possabilitys outside of a narrow world lens. Sorry.

[@BillyPage1337]

We will never get Manhunt 3😢

[@samuelllakaj5439]

Ok I actually think those games took it too far. There's the type of violence I enjoy and then there's Manhunt.

[@notshane3827]

​@@samuelllakaj5439Manhunt isn't even that bad, you only kill the bad guys in that game, in Mortal Kombat you can make Johnny Cage kill Cassie Cage(his daughter), that's even more messed up imo 😅

[@supawithdacream5626]

or bully or anything its crazy how even riot copied valve and made the gayest tac shooter to ever exist that valve got scared and scraped csgo

[@PowerSimplified1871]

​@@notshane3827 I want to oof the other guy. The main antagonist I forgot his hame. Was his name Mr. Sneaky or something?

[@commandervile394]

Many factors in regard to "why". Corporate greed, ESG scores from powerful investment companies to push certain divisive, non-issue political agendas...a severe lack of passion or competence in development, many times just straight up disrespecting and loathing original source material and attempts to "change" them with soulless sequels/remakes, which also brings us to lack of originality or new ideas..

[@Mikke-G]

Woah, cool it with the anti Semitic remarks...

[@madhunter6420]

@@Mikke-G What? R u joking or plainly having no thinking capacity? "aNTisEmiTiC" most B$ thing i ever heard. Aka "never-held accountable"

[@Lizard_of_Linux_Lane]

​@@Mikke-G You just self reported.

[@commandervile394]

@@Mikke-G Lmao oy vey goys.

[@commandervile394]

@@madhunter6420 I think bro here was memeing, but if not, oy vey.

[@Gambit2483]

Blame the insecure feminists that invaded the gaming industry and the people that catered to their every whim.

[@yeshwantdasari2075]

You're saying that like hasn't been the case since the start of video games. People complained about the violence of Doom and street fighter, Max Payne and GTA 1/2. there's a reason Hillary Clinton was jokingly portrayed as the Statue of liberty in GTA IV. That was 2008. so no that isn't the main reason

[@BoxJoe136]

women and trans people.

[@Fwhalon]

I'd say it's more on the forced inclusivity and diversity. It's mostly the western industry but it's starting to infect japan as well but they care more about being moral paragons that they come full circle and become what they admonish.

[@JVCS-b6z]

​@@yeshwantdasari2075 Yes it is the main reason, the difference between then and now is that the whiny people didn't have such an influence over the gaming industry back then

[@gwenmcgarry528]

That's exactly who the shareholders want you to blame, not them shutting down any project that lacks "broad market appeal" just keep blaming "feminists" don't think anymore than that

[@Micheal_Anthony_1996]

I wouldn't call Fortnite "soft". It's target demographic is young teens, it's not supposed to be super violent, edgy, sexual, etc. I agree with everything else though

[@OligarchMartial]

Yeah, same.

[@youcefsiouda]

It depends on the context and setting Games like minecraft, fortnite ..etc can't have this edginess

[@mccombo1512]

Yep and the game is rated T

[@jollygrapefruit786]

The genre is hyper sexualized wdym?

[@solitaryenjoyer411]

​@@jollygrapefruit786what genre?

[@nikolakirichev]

I generally love playing as the good guy, trying to make the best decisions that would benefit the world I am playing in. But I want to be able to make the choice. If the game doesn't let me make the horrible choices, making the good ones holds no meaning whatsoever. The game already chose for me. The other thing is when the morally good choices always yield the best results and are the most profitable, yeah right give me a break. Or better yet give us a good moral dilemma for once.

[@frostreaper1607]

Don't forget about being able to make mistakes, I too usually play pretty good characters but they often make bad decisions, in BG3 this has bitten my Main in the behind multiple times to point where the rest of the group probably think hes cursed. Stuff like this is hilarious and I miss it in games.

[@crispyjack428]

Dude, I love having the chance to be the (usually OP) bad guy. But most importantly, I agree that having the CHOICE is the real gift here. I attribute the start of the real impact "choice" era in Games to INFAMOUS.

[@deansanderson3543]

There’s no point in being a good guy if you can’t even make bad choices.

[@Killjoy357]

"Modern warfare 2 reminded me that games are art because it asks questions. But if we sanitize games and completely remove player agency, games just become indoctrination." you just answered every question as to why this is happening in games, movies and art in general.

[@Gov.Fuckhead]

Kinda steppin' on the creator's point aren't ya?

[@Killjoy357]

@@Gov.Fuckhead no lol. That's called quoting.

[@MrJack1992]

The problem is the people who make videogames are not the same people of twenty years ago and many of the people of twenty years ago arent the same people anymore. Adam sezzler 20 years ago was a fun games journalist who enjoyed Xplay and his memories. The industry he is in now is surrounded by the same clique of people with California and Acela corridor politics. Many of these people have gone crazy partially due to the fact they're competing for less money and what money they're getting they'll get more of if they basically hire outside investment firms like sweet baby inc and others to change it. Videogames aren't about being edgy or fun anymore they have to sadly push a narrative for the future so the youth can continue the revolution. In many ways the gaming industry represents people who all call themselves crypto commies/socialists if not liberals. I don't see it getting better anytime soon as we enter in a more hysterical political period.

[@andypantsgaming]

Pure facts

[@gwenmcgarry528]

The issue is that there's no art in it anymore, games have to be sanitized for board members and investors, this is why so many indie games are still good while the big companies have fallen off and ruin everything they touch

[@gwenmcgarry528]

Mainstream games aren't pushing any sort of socialist narrative lol, they're doing the opposite, they always support the status quo because that's what shareholders want

[@FrancisHD]

@@gwenmcgarry528 Falser than false

[@xplomacro8801]

@@FrancisHD Do you have a better way to explain why indie games are better than AAA?

[@daith_izumi]

“When did games become so soft?” Short answer: When the West became soft

[@MB-eh2kp]

They havnt though, he’s just looking at a specific few cases and trying to generalize it to the entire gaming space

[@Anonnymouss-nu6uv]

@@MB-eh2kp “They haven’t though” Hmmm…. >DEI >ESG >LGBTQ >Corporations sanitizing everything like what was described in the video >Black lives matter >Saying anything nowadays that can be construed as “offensive” runs you the risk of being cancelled Should I go on?

[@FungalBunghole]

​@@MB-eh2kptypical mindless response that doesn't provide any evidence of examples, okay let's see what's a recent game that isn't soft?

[@MB-eh2kp]

@@FungalBunghole fear and hunger termina and ultrakill are good one that pops up in my head instantly and it only came out 2-4 years prior, I mean really look at his criteria for edgy vs soft games, 2 of them are objective opinions and how does attractive women make a game more edgy? If anything the opposite would make it more edgy, this guy just wants to zerk to a video game 😭

[@decyst6294]

​@@MB-eh2kpGames listed in the video are AAA games, why quote indie games? Also, the first game isn't even made by American. Are we on the topic of the west becoming the soft or are we talking about the video?

[@JamesThames1987]

I remember back in the day people had a problem with violence in video games, now they have a problem with everything. Who remembers people having problems with Lethal Enforcers and Mortal Kombat? Yeah, those were the days... These days can suck it.

[@doctorfarchives]

Minecraft is a game that comes to mind. For what I know, Mojang doesn't want to add sharks because they don't want to make them too docile nor too hostile, which imo is the dumbest reason ever! I know Notch is in a lot of controversy now but that game was in better state when he was in charge, now everything Mojang adds is just safe boring stuff. If that game came out today, you wouldn't be able to kill pigs, and spiders wouldn't even exist. You don't want people to kill spiders right? Those poor creatures! I hate modern games.

[@Unlucky1776]

Yea people hate him for things he said almost 10 years ago now lmao. It's actually funny how they hate him yet they play the game he made. Crazy stuff

[@ReigoVassal]

That's why I would say Terraria is better than Minecraft. They'll add something that's actually fun.

[@ReigoVassal]

​@@Unlucky1776 what did he said 10 years ago?

[@Unlucky1776]

@@ReigoVassal I honestly dont even remember but he got in hot water for it and he's not invited to Minecraft events + isn't mentioned in the game anymore

[@Unlucky1776]

@@ReigoVassal there's one good thing about both games. THE MODS!

[@cinderefell1399]

New games are so safe, so incredibly bland because they wish to be inoffensive to the point that it won't be remembered. People might play it for a few months. Maybe a year, but then it's forgotten. Executives are so interested in not offending anyone that they forget that a story can be told with elements that are technically Offensive but not meant to actually offend anyone. One of the best examples is Frieza from DBZ. They're incredibly racist and an incredible villain. I know they ain't a video game character but anime, movies, TV shows are all also suffering from this garbage.

[@bambigaming1866]

If they change GTA 6 because it's offensive its over for the industry.

[@FrancisHD]

no

[@Handlevonhandleson]

Pfp checks out

[@kornaros96]

Dragon Ball IP includes video games

[@cousinzeke4888]

@@bambigaming1866 They've already said they don't want to "punch down".

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

What I find really annoying is that, the more advanced gaming graphics & effects get, the more sanitized & bland they also get. What a waste in utilizing such advancing technology. A game like Stellar Blade should not even be controversial but celebrated in a fun, edgy, beautiful and sexy manner. Sexy and beautiful characters like that of Stellar Blade need to exist in the gaming industry most especially with the advanced gaming technology that is available now. It adds actual diversity of flavor and variety to the gaming industry. Why deny that pleasure for those who want such games?

[@Marcusianery]

Its always funny how it goes, "Mah sexy characters in mah games? Why dont you watch porn?". Yet these same artschool kids can watch someones puke on a wall or call a video of an artstudent playing "crazy" as art, well why dont you just go watch someones puke in an alley by a club or watch real psychos? Idiots.

[@Barakon]

I heard stellar blade is mid, but idk, I haven’t played it & I don’t care. I like my women poetic & my sex appeal to not be purely sex appeal but have character first & foremost. Y’a know, like Beyoneta, if I were to site a well known video game based example.

[@ihavenonameforyou1]

Steller blade got censored though and it's a generic style for Asia, those games just don't come to the west. The game would also die if the girls looked differently.

[@leiferikson5029]

@@BarakonThat’s funny considering Bayonetta doesn’t have character other than the overused “mommy dommy” gimmick.

[@FrancisHD]

no

[@guyledouche7939]

Women in the workforce destroys whatever field or industry they enter, with very few exceptions.

[@yasakabeads]

it's okay to like dudes

[@guyledouche7939]

@@yasakabeads it's not okay to be a slave to your emotions and bring that into every single workforce one enters.

[@supawithdacream5626]

@@yasakabeads it's not women but man hating feminists id say regular cool women exist and they play games too

[@VenoBlox]

​@yasakabeads you are projecting. You're gay. Not others

[@yasakabeads]

@@guyledouche7939 hey, I don't even bring up my sexuality in a workplace unlike SOME people do unless they explicitly ask, which is rare. I agree with you, it's not okay to flaunt it.

[@DdanielCh9]

I want a game where I get called racist names.

[@andypantsgaming]

Not sure if you're joking but it would be more realistic yes

[@HypnoChode74]

Then you would truly love Morrowind my friend.

[@Barakon]

You want to be in classic CoD in game voice chats?

[@Schlachthaus999]

Mafia 3

[@TheBayzent]

I miss being called n'wah

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Here's a hint: It's not the games that have become soft. It's the people making them and the people buying them.

[@jahimuddin2306]

Yep. People do not want to admit it, but most gamers are soft as well; mentally and physically.

[@Clooger-]

No shit

[@alexanderulv3886]

@@jahimuddin2306I remember my childhood, having the chainsaw and the blood splatter on the screen when an NPC lost their head. I was mind blown! In GTA VC I think there’s about zero chance you can do something like that in GTA 6

[@FilosofoInsidioso]

the sad part is most of the soft woke people dont even buy or play the games they just get mad if you add something "controversial" to keep alive their imaginary fight and we gamers that actually spend half our salary in games have to pay for their childish tantrum

[@Diamond-ji2gv]

@@FilosofoInsidioso the problem I think is that young, now over 18+ years old, gamers want something like the past. Yet, most of the people that work in gaming industries are people that haven't touched a good game because they simply don't want to replicate what gamers like.

[@MarcusZepeda]

As someone who is Autistic I like games that can occupied me and make me feel safe in my own world, like games that is calming and not so hectic like Minecraft and The Sims 4. but if I want to be more hectic and destructive and take my anger out on NPCS, I play games like rdr2 GTA 5 and saints row 2.3.4

[@simonrockstream]

You know you can just chill in RDR2? its not about being 'hectic and destructive'. Talk about missing the whole point of that game bro.

[@MarcusZepeda]

​​​​@@simonrockstream dude.I already know that, rdr2 is not just about being destructive and hectic The game is very beautiful and calming That's why I play it. My point was that if I'm having a bad day and I want to take my anger out, and go hectic on NPCs on the game, I have the opportunity to do so. Talk about missing the whole point of my comment bro.🤦🏻

[@flowrepins6663]

​@@MarcusZepedagta v has the least blood..it dont even have it. Better to do it in gta 3 and vice city. Also other games, postal, manhunt, doom, serious sam.splatterhouse. give it a try.

[@MarcusZepeda]

​@@flowrepins6663I never heard those games before. It sounds very interesting. I'll look into it

[@AlienAmongst]

@@simonrockstream I dropped RDR2 because I couldn't wipe whole towns I kept getting hit by bounty hunters that sucked so fk that game. Prototype 2 is where its at

[@xahnmx50]

imagine making a game for *1%* of your community that *dont even play*

[@niks660097]

I remember playing TF2 few years back and getting an achievement for making a dude rage quit for dominating him.

[@Vhie05]

In hindsight, I think it's ridiculously petty and funny that 9 ethnically-diverse mercenaries are being purposely offensive and killing each other over gravel. The gravel that their employers are yapping about. TF2's lore is just hilarious with how purposely stupid the iconic mercs are, all over damn gravel.

[@Vhie05]

Plus I love how part of TF2's achievements inherently require someone to get mad at you, especially Pyro's achievements.

[@5nafFNAFSquirrelsquirrel]

I feel like rdr2 is a good middle ground for everyone as it can be funny without edgy humor. woman aren’t overly sexual but aren’t ugly. It doesn’t put a big emphasis on rasicam but it also doesn’t treat the 1890’s like a world we’re every race gets along.

[@cartercolson7975]

the guy in Saint Denis is a perfect example of even a little bit of racism the eugenics supporter guy I'm talking about or in the mission with Lenny where u take over shady Belle and if you send him after a little while the raider will call him a n word hard r piece of sh*t(censored for yt purposes) and not that i remember people got mad about it then so I Don't know why its all of a sudden an issue now and that game came out 5½ years ago

[@Anayoth]

@@cartercolson7975 Because you can’t treat particular groups (especially black people) badly since we live in a “progressive” country now. We’ve moved on from the 1800’s where that was in anyway acceptable.

[@ripewatermelonlol]

sadie is one of the coolesst woman characters ive seen in gaming tbh, shes a badass frl

[@cartercolson7975]

@@ripewatermelonlol exactly but nowadays in the past like year or 2 it seems like woman aren't"tough"according to dummies despite sadie being a badass in a game that came out only 5½ years ago

[@ripewatermelonlol]

@@cartercolson7975 like i frl honestly have no issue playing women characters or gay characters in video games, if theyre well written theyre well written, it seems like they only focus on the surface, I dont play a video game because the mc is a man because i coulnt care less, i play it cuz hes likeable and the story isnt garbage. a man can be gay and not be overly annoying and feminine and a woman can be cool asf without being just the damsel in distress, if the depth is as deep as a puddle no wonder you have no one liking these characters.

[@rhysthomas1699]

I remember someone said during an interview "when a format is successful, you do not change it because it works".

[@absolutefoot4594]

I’d been dead set on working in the video game industry by starting with an art degree. That dream had been years in the making. Then the more time I spent surveying the art community, the more I realized that they were some of the last people I wanted to associate with. So many of them shared the same hypersensitivity and “social deviance”. You truly do have to walk on eggshells to make it in the art department, and I’ll have nothing more to do with it until media starts to show some life again.

[@limpa756]

I also believe that a lot of writers come from urban population centres, they don't understand that being progressive is no longer the counter culture. Dark edgy humour is very much alive and kicking and seeping it's way back into the general public, not to mention anyone outside of these areas knows they're all bat shit insane. All we do is make fun of city people coming in work. Things will get worse before they get better, these people are becoming so much easier to make fun of everyday and are quickly losing their grip on the narrative due to the average person being absolutely sickened with how things have went, this is just how society swings. We'll have a resurgence of good media that's more about being entertaining rather than being 'inclusive' soon enough.

[@andypantsgaming]

My man dropping pure fact

[@Charlie-eh6xc]

We can only hope but with all these authoritarian vaguely defined hate crime laws that are coming out everywhere, things are set to get alot worse before they get better. Making anything close to edgy will be illegal and deemed 'too offensive'. I mean ffs memes are literally getting people arrested these days it's insanity.

[@gwenmcgarry528]

You do realize "city people" also like edgy humor right? The attempt to divide urban and rural populations is mostly a political move to keep people from working together. The reason video games aren't very edgy (nor are they very woke, just performative) is because billion dollar corporations won't do anything that isn't optimized to have the broadcast possible appeal

[@limpa756]

@@gwenmcgarry528 No, city people generally are much more liberal than rural people. There are heat maps that show voting statistics, in Ireland for example there was a recent referendum and it was only the capital that were voting left wing, the rest of the country was overwhelmingly 'conservative' (normal). City people massively over represent their countries due to population density, they skew the perception of entire countries just by how different their belief systems are. There's a huge divide in Canada which is perceived as hippy hellhole but the rural areas are actually very normal and despise the city people for their self destructive beliefs. Some cities in the west are literal socialist hellholes that drag the state wide perceptions, hence 'commiefornia' despite the fact California is actually quite split it's just dragged down by the residents of Los Angeles.

[@gwenmcgarry528]

@limpa756 you do realize that liberal people also like edgy jones... right? I've met conservatives that hate edgy jokes because they're "improper and disrespectful" liberals that think they're "disrespectful" and leftists who think they're "offensive and insensitive". There are people all sides of the aisle that don't or do like those jokes. Sure people in urban areas are more likely to be left wing, but that's more matter of education and economic status (as left wing policies are better for the working class instead of the elites). Of course the most "left wing" most of those places ever get is liberal policies, which are ineffective or harmful. Because the aforementioned elites don't like disruptions to the status quo. Hence why places like LA are such hellholes, or why Trudeau is causing issues in Canada (he's a neoliberal shill who's unable to be anything more than a centrist tool) City people don't "overrepresent" a country, they ARE most of the country, and are the average person/baseline for a culture (for better and worse lol) but I can tell you there's plenty of left wing country folk, plenty of right wing city boys, and we're all human. Better to focus on the real issues rather than who the mainstream media tells you to be mad at

[@limpa756]

Everything in general is just getting gayer and gayer; that's my observation. Like literally gayer

[@fartsinurmouth123]

Lol

[@andyd3447]

Yes 99% of games are full of straight relationships but god forbid they include ONE gay person....

[@AztecUnshaven]

Ironically, New Vegas has multiple gay and bisexual characters in the main storyline.

[@andypantsgaming]

@@AztecUnshaven Indeed. New Vegas gave you the ability to do whatever you want and I love games like that. I don't take issue with gay characters in games at all. I think my issue here was them killing off 6 beloved characters in order to replace them with gay characters.

[@andypantsgaming]

@@andyd3447 Facts. If we want freedom in games they need the ability to have gay characters. My issue was not with gay characters but with replacing characters

[@GoogleAids]

Whats your definition of the term edgy? Id call postal edgy, not new vegas. Id call new vegas gritty or something like that.

[@xplomacro8801]

I think it means that the game lets you, not what the game is. New Vegas lets you kill every human npc in the game and cannibalize their corpses, which i'd say is pretty edgy.

[@GoogleAids]

@@xplomacro8801 would you call dayZ edgy or rust?

[@jdools4744]

The term edgy has been heavily divorced what it used to mean like Postal 2 isn’t edgy because it’s satirical but Postal 1 is however nowadays edgy is blanket term that is tossed over both

[@GoogleAids]

@@jdools4744 you know what's edger than both them? That black and white postal knockoff. I get what you're saying, but maybe that game still fits the bill lmao

[@HatredInTheFlesh]

@@GoogleAids Hatred? They’re all pretty edgy to the average person tbh

[@Nightweaver1]

Remember, New Vegas is good not only because it was dark and edgy, but because it gave you the freedom to be that way if you chose to. It treated you like an adult, and didn't mollycoddle you like a little child who needed to be bubble-wrapped for their protection.

[@rockodile9680]

I’m Irish. There has been many “offensive” Irish jokes in games and I find them fucking hilarious. I’m hoping that games like stalker 2 will bring back dark humor and actually funny dialogue

[@andypantsgaming]

haha

[@limpa756]

Same, the boys across the pond are definitely a bit softer; had a girl tell me using the word "cunt" is really inappropriate when I was in the states; it's a bloody connective here. Ukrainians don't care lmao

[@labelnine]

im sure stalker will be great as its not developed by snowflake western people

[@vitaliyleopard7309]

I think there will be the same problem as with the original STALKER games - western players simply will not understand the jokes because it is mostly a local post-soviet humor

[@vitaliyleopard7309]

And one more point is that the war left a huge print on Ukraine that ruined relations with its neighbors forever. The game will definitely be extremely edgy, but few people in the west will understand because it is all about the post-soviet space and its people

[@bloodysimile4893]

We gamers didn't make game political, the game devs and corporations did. Heck I play retro games which give me more fun game to play than anything past 10 years of aaa gaming. No worry of bs corporations interfere, just pure passion made game from gamers to gamer. Recently play Quake with dark story. Heck, I doubt we get another Urban police riot 2 game where you play as police officer to take down terrorists in anyway possible, and often being burtal methods.

[@andypantsgaming]

Good shit brother. What are you playing right now?

[@vitaliyleopard7309]

By the way, you also mentioned a game about the police and I noticed an interesting thing: earlier in games about the police, such things as police brutality were not perceived too aggressively as they are now. In the Ready or Not (2024), a small scratch to a suspect usually ends with dozens of fines being imposed on you due to “police brutality”. But in SWAT 4 (2004) you could freely use lethal weapons only so as not to kill or critically wound the suspect. And you can also beat them

[@Fwhalon]

There's also japanese games and more niche, usually japanese, games that still come out that aren't hindered by the bullshit. I do play a lot of older games myself though.

[@gwenmcgarry528]

You're missing the point, games used to be MORE political, they used to actually explore issues and topics, they used to be actual art. Now all they are is products, sanitized by board members to make investors happy. No politics to be seen except supporting the status quo and maybe some benign "gay people are ok" performative crap

[@therobustempyrean1436]

​@@gwenmcgarry528Yup. People try to complain about politics in modern games, but forget that beloved titles like Metal Gear Revengance, or even the original Fallout games didn't have some critiques of war, capitalism, corporate greed, or what have you. It's just gone from actually pushing the envelope to bland, milquetoast politics everyone agrees with on some level.

[@cranbury25]

Unfortunately Rockstar had said that they are shifting away from edgy humor for GTA6

[@drusilla3882]

@cranbury25 I guess the Shareholders NEED a bigger check

[@l-nolazck-rn24]

I already knew it was gonna be bad since the old guard left because of the complete story change in 2020. Now it's gonna be bad and probably annoyingly "safe edgy".

[@MagnumLoadedTractor]

Dosent seem like it to me

[@protatochip]

@@l-nolazck-rn24 Safe edgy, so they're gonna be throwing jabs at everyone! ....As long as they're white, male, christian, or straight, then there's no end to the jokes you can make about them!

[@fionn2220]

@@l-nolazck-rn24 Did that actually happen?

[@Luka__1]

Not every game needs to be fucking duke nukem. I didn't grow up playing "masculine games" about war. I was never into first person shooter games like cod, I played league, minecraft, strategy games, skyrim, and various indie games. Just because a game isn't an over the top masculine shooter doesn't mean it's woke.

[@Kaksiezredes]

Andypants would like to disagree with you (totally good take btw)

[@spouwnerring]

It's BlackRock forcing companeys to meet certain quotas within their products and offices or they aren't getting funding from investment groups. Larry Fink litaraly bracked about using his money to force behaviors on companeys he funds. And he wants to have controle of eveything. I'm not just talking about entertainment but also housing.

[@andypantsgaming]

This

[@HypnoChode74]

Be a damn Shane if Larry boy tripped and fell into a vat of wood chippers.

[@spouwnerring]

@@HypnoChode74 😳

[@dmacarthur5356]

"Behaviors are gonna have to change and this is one thing were asking companies. You have to force behaviors, and at BlackRock we are forcing behaviors," ~ Lary the Fink

[@gwenmcgarry528]

That's capitalism at work baby, turn art into profit and remove its soul for mass production

[@JGMGamer07]

If you play Minecraft a certain way, it's very edgy

[@admiralrng6506]

griefing is pretty funny especially when done in a creative way

[@РамильШарипов-с7ц]

Oh I love burning forests, doing animal abuse and testing my modded explosion spells on villages

[@kereal2591]

Its rlly funny when people say minecraft is a kids game as I walk through my city of villager slaves in 1x2 compartments who are forced to breed and have their babies stolen from them at birth

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

Its changed when people in sales and marketing would go on to become ceos and leaders of the gaming industry instead of the people who make games and understands the gamers.

[@Fwhalon]

Funny thing is this is also happening outside of games too. The people in charge at companies are people who only know numbers but don't understand how to actually get those numbers. I just quit a place because the GM didn't understand how things in the shop ran and was running the place into the ground, it felt like a sinking ship.

[@matterking1]

@@Fwhalon Same shit with Boeing. People care about money and larger numbers, but have 0 understanding of the nuance it takes to make a plane, nor do they have the passion for it. Nothing worse than seeing someone whose spent years in a company and worked hard for a higher position to only be replaced by someone with no experience for that thing, but has a degree that says they're good at making money.

[@Fwhalon]

@@matterking1 That's actually a company I was gonna say because I used to work at Boeing in 2018 only to get fired because my ex lied about me and then my manager lied while firing me which was sick but I was told about quite a few of the problems while in training. My sister works at boeing and has for 16 years but she doesn't care about the planes. However, she doesn't have a degree or any other experience for anything else so she feels pretty obligated to work there as nothing else she wants to do will pay as much.

[@agsicodpslahavwshxausudusi7327]

We want games not gaymes

[@daneyal7162]

When everyone "gains"...no one really wins.

[@danyboy99]

I like this type of games.

[@mafia_gamer_official30973]

That's why I always play OG games from 2000-2010's, like GTA San Andreas or Need For Speed. I don't care what others feel from them as offensive, I just play my game and enjoy from it. Classic known games (GTA, RDR, CoD, old NFS series, Far Cry etc.) are better than some modern trash. Most of you maybe agree with me or not, but this is the fact. Modern games become boring.

[@zrayx7214]

Fr postal 2 is a top 5 game of all time

[@redlight3932]

i remember being a kid waiting to turn 18 to play mature titles with deep and intriguing stories, well i grew up and realized all the games i wasnt allowed to buy where the good ones and they arent coming back.

[@AaRoNaNtHoNy80]

We want to do these things in games because, we know in the real world It's morally wrong to do these things.

[@Nibbles69]

I miss Manhunt

[@tomigun5180]

And Hatred.

[@xcom_rx7241]

And Postal

[@Hazelnutlikessharks]

And hotline miami

[@daviferreirabarbosa6215]

Soldier of Fortune

[@kaustavdas436]

Prototype

[@douglasbullet6456]

12:18 Seeing goku dance like this feels so wrong on so many levels💀

[@theducknamednewepicla9507]

1:45 OFCOURSE THE SIMS AND FORTNITE IS "SOFT" THAT ISN'T EVEN A ISSUE.

[@nolanritter4829]

have yall ever played bro force no women or anything but in the cinematics the men are protecting all the women in children it’s a masterpiece

[@Kakaeieren]

Man, I always played that game when I was staying with a friend. So fun!

[@Demonhornz]

Kind of hard to get away from politics when all that was done is because of politics.

[@scottroxford5715]

It's funny how the SAME people who say "everything is political" are also the ones to get butthurt when you say that "X demographic was only included for political reasons". That's why you see all this gay shit everywhere.

[@Demonhornz]

@@scottroxford5715 Rule of thumb: If they call you a manbaby for criticizing new media, they're probably a commie.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

But see the politics were different, there was actual ideological diversity. Games used to be able to cover any topic in any genre, if you wanted a commie game you had one, if you wanted an objectivist game, you had one. Nowadays the politics are this corporate liberal viewpoint which doesn't leave any room for other views.

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

​@@gimmeyourrights8292Bring back commie games

[@gwenmcgarry528]

Exactly, this is literally a consequence of capitalism

[@Greybell]

6:14 Not you calling Saints Row as made by Gen Z. That game is the epitome of millennial Buzzfeed writing. Gen Z weren't even working at that point of time lol. Honestly I would blame game companies catering towards a much younger demographic. Sims, for example, used to have edge, but Sims 4 is a literal kid's playground (though they tried to "listen" to the community after they were criticized heavily for mid gameplay).

[@agentb1ack01]

I wouldn’t really blame millennials because I’m 34 I’m a millennial and I grew up in that area of offensive games. I play those PC titles and those PlayStation one and Xbox original back in the day so it has nothing to do with generation it has to do with side on if you’re some far left, leaning nutcase, who Prioritize his sexuality over anything else chances are you going to be overly sensitive because you probably were made fun of and now you see this has an opportunity to get revenge on the world and those are the types of people that do not belong in game development, and those types of people exist in any generation.

[@fartsinurmouth123]

Your age group created this shit. Millennials created GTA four.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yeah... I mean after that gender update with the Sims games I didn't wanna bother with them anymore.

[@Greybell]

@@danteshollowedgrounds Dude it's a life sim game and it makes sense to have customizable gender too, and you even got occults and other species in there. It's the gameplay that got worse since they toned it down severely with surface level interactions. But CAS and Build Mode are some of the reasons people still like TS4.

[@Greybell]

@@agentb1ack01 I see your point but I don't think they're plotting revenge. I don't think some representation hurt anyone, but let's be real, these changes in *gameplay* are because they want to reach a wider audience (aka impressionable kids). Not to mention, game companies feed on whales through aggressive microtransactions. They also need to please their investors so any edginess is a no no (basically the Disney-fication in gaming). Tbh I don't think GTA VI will be too safe, but hopefully they retain their dark humor and edginess even if some of their creative people left years ago.

[@Klausenburg_Bro]

About the Eastern european games.... Have you ever played Disco elysium? You can be The Icebreaker, the disaster fascist, you can rebuild communism using a corrupt leader of a nearby pier and so on. And the funniest bit is that the game doesn't kill you or stop you from being rude to absolutely everything and everyone: the game overs in this game aren't tied to a specific playstyle or path. You can get a game over for a few diverse reason: turning on the lights in your room, shooting a kid, sleeping in the trash, commiting suicide, sitting in an uncomfortable chair, trying to jump off a building, attempting to beat up a 2,50 meter tall black racist, remembering your ex-something and by being called names by a 12 year old speed addict. (Cuno doesn't fkin care!)

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

STALKER series is the only game that I've experienced from Eastern Europe that's truly engrossing and captivating. Metro was okay... But STALKER just scratches the right spots. Modded of course.

[@Sky_Explorer]

@@SonOfTheDawn515 Are there any standalone STALKER mods you would recommend? I want to try something other than Anomaly.

[@darkdudu2721]

Bro for exemple: Fortnite is a 12+ Old game but has map that are rated 3+. WTF? In these maps you cannot even WEAR a skin that has a gun on his clothes even tho litterally 30 seconds later you find yourself killing people with a SPAS12 and grenades. Why are they being afraid of young children playing their games when its litteraly quoted 12+. Why would you adapt the game just for some stupid parents letting their children play the game and complaining about the violence. It's litteraly the point of the game to be violent.

[@postal010]

I don’t even know why they added this update to begin with, the game literally is about killing people, and no one was complaining about the skins having guns on them to begin with

[@LinKueiDragon]

This is why the most I play for PS4 games are remasters and games from decade(s)-old franchises.

[@marceelino]

Why not get a pc and play good games?

[@ChiefGore429]

I find myself watching videos about games more than actually playing games. So weird. And when I do play it's usually an old title.

[@andypantsgaming]

Facts

[@SammEater]

Dude, I finally got my hands into a better computer that can run emulators as smoothly as possible. I have no need for modern games, I am playing all the games I wanted to play but couldn't at the time because I didn't own a specific system like the OG Xbox or the Gamecube.

[@njux1871]

But that's also to a strong degree due to attention span rather than anything really. At least in most cases, dunno about you. It's easier to click on stuff, to get that instant gratification, while playing a game takes commitment and with social media and this fast pace media consumption hell that we've slowly fallen into in the past one and a half decades makes it so that you're like bored after 2 or 3 hours in a game. Much easier to watch clips of it or the cool scenes. It often reflects on one's capability to just enjoy things actively and patiently. Similar reason as why so many people can't sit down and just read a book anymore. Or even a movie without being on the phone meanwhile. It's dystopian if you think about it. It feels ironic because it's literally media for entertainment but entertainment can be meaningful, and is very much meaningful to your quality of life, and even life perspective, if you enjoy it actively and not passively as white noise while listening to some Spotify playlist, playing a game and scrolling your phone at the same time. It's easy to succumb to overstimulation. This way it's easy to pass the time. You won't feel bored, the days just will vanish, and vanish. Doing nothing makes weeks go by in a blink. If you do a lot, and actively so, even if it is something mundane such as reading a book or listening to an album, takes start to feel longer, because they are filled with more meaningful minutes spent, and, in an abstract way, you live longer and certainly more fulfilled. That's not to say that passive entertainment and media consumption is inherently a bad thing. It's just that balance is key, and corporations do not care for that, because balance doesn't bring revenues. So you gotta look out for yourself. Of course, maybe you also just don't enjoy games as much anymore. I'll say that I personally just frequently go back and play 2000s titles, or watch old films from the 1960s, etc. It's a nice change of pace, and not that hard if you stop this feeling of "not being up to date". Because, at the end of the day, who cares. Just do what you enjoy.

[@ChiefGore429]

@njux1871 I agree. But if the game is good enough, I play it. I avoid videos on it and have a lot of fun with it. I doubt I will ever get the same feeling as I did as a kid. Become addicted. Just infatuated with it. Elden Ring was close. And with the movies... I don't pick up my phone once watching sisu, or EEAAO. But most movies I watch I do pick up my phone. Quality still grabs me. It just doesn't shake me after like it used to.

[@HypnoChode74]

Ye yesterday I was playing New Vegas during the day in my 360, and then later in the night I was playing original diablo 1-2 on my PC. Especially thanks to my younger brother giving me his physical copies of D2.

[@87crimson]

90s and 00s were all about xtreme stuff. The much malligned "Boomers" and also some Gen X designed those games and milennials consumed them. Now milennials and gen Z are coders and game designers, and we are too PC and weak to put some attitude back into video games. But eventually it will make a comeback.

[@MALICEM12]

It makes me wonder, in the 90's and 2000's we were edgy irreverent edgelord centrists and moderates, in the 2010s and 2020s we are puritanical squeaky clean leftists (which is funny because that's how the left always used to make fun of the right). So in 20 years when we finally in the first time in a century, go back to the right, I wonder how our video games will look. That will be a sight to see, the first ever era of right wing video games....will we even play games at all?

[@gwenmcgarry528]

Bro have you never interacted with millenials or gen z? The issue is that corporate board members block anything interesting for the sake of shareholder value

[@gwenmcgarry528]

​@@MALICEM12that doesn't quite track, those that create art and media are often more left leaning, the issue in the past decade is that games are now being made by corporations and marketing teams instead of actual people, they're concerned with shareholder value not making a good game. Hence why most teiple A studios have had benign titles that simply support the status quo. Too conservative to actually question anything or explore interesting topics like they used to

[@MALICEM12]

@@gwenmcgarry528 while yes, more corporate. It still tracks, because the left have been radicalizing for decades and the Overton window has been drifting leftwards for generations culminating in this zenith. There's plenty of data on this too. Just look at political polling statistics. The left has been going waaaay more leftwards in the last 20 years. Case in point. People still didn't like the gays and said fag in the 2000s. Now we have trans people in the Olympics. That's a MASSIVE difference in culture at breakneck speeds. Baffling really when you look back at it. That can't be ignored for "muh corporations" alone.

[@TheBayzent]

87crimson Boomers hadn't designed anything other than new ways of consuming LSD

[@matteste]

This was something that really stood out about Guilty Gear Strive. Guilty Gear is a series that used to be mostly known for it's heavy metal stylings with a distinct edge to it. It was both harsh and silly in that metal kind of way. Everything from the character designs to the UI and music bleed metal energy. Now contrast that with Strive and everything is made more generic and marketable. Characters are softer designed or covers up more, the UI looks like it came from a mobile game (seriously, people though it was an Aprils fools first time they saw it) and even the music is more in the rock and pop direction than metal. Even things such as strangeness or religious imagery and the like was sanded away as if the game was afraid to offend someone. And let's not even get into how it handled and retconned some characters. And you showed the Persona 3 remake, but even it was hit by this kind of stuff, be it in smaller ways. Though most of it seems to be due to incompetence from the director, when you compare it with the original, you will notice that it is quite a bit softer in many respects even if it is in broad strokes the same game. And one sad thing is that there are games where you can be inclusive and stuff and still have that edge or have pretty characters. Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous comes to mind. Some of the shit you can get up to in that game is something else. I guess that is a strength of having a competent writer on the team as well as solid direction. As for your theory, I feel like you are missing a key detail. Progressivism alone does not explain it given that many countries in Europe lean far more progressive than anything in the states. Rather, to my eyes, what appears to be happening is rooted far more in American culture. You see, America is somewhat unique in just how individualistic its culture is. And here comes the issue for you see, progressive thought has its roots in collectivism. Europe and Japan are much closer to collectivist ideals and are therefore able to much more smoothly work with progressivism. America meanwhile tries to apply this "My way or the highway" mentality to it all, to be individualistic and collectivist at the same time, to apply two diametrically opposed ideologies. To go from "accept everyone to have them contribute to society" to "society has to accept ME". It is a square peg, round hole kind of situation.

[@tio_john]

Majority of gamers: men The industry: let's not cater to those assholes and cates to twitter/reddit people who don't play games as much, that's if they play games at all; Results: why aren't people buying our stuff.

[@lazyduck6922]

as a woman i agree, Ive always enjoyed the edgy slightly toxic parts of games, it makes them funny and more interesting, people really need to grow some balls now a days

[@ItsMeChillTyme]

Exactly, you're supposed to know that its a fictional piece, you're hurting fictional characters. You can do whatever you want without any consequences just like your imagination.

[@partygarden2421]

Saying there isn’t attractive women in Fortnite is the biggest cap I’ve ever heard

[@V-Memes-si5ev]

💯 I dont think ive ever seen a morbidly obese character in fn

[@Harry-tm3ck]

That fat bunny girl​@@V-Memes-si5ev

[@NeverB_Gameover]

Regressive Left

[@PsychoRavager]

There's a reason the only way we'll ever get a proper Manhunt or Condemned type of game is through the indie gaming scene. Same thing with how Ready or Not is a spiritual sequel to SWAT 4. What used to be just cool, somewhat dark/edgy concepts... are all now considered by the mainstream corpos/consoomers as offensive material that should be outright banned unless it agrees with their sociopolotical ideologies. It's why something like The Last of Us games can get away with so much violence and depravity. Also, I just plainly miss when things like vampires were badass edgelords in media (Blade, Underworld, etc.). Now they always have to be so colorful and gae (Redfall).

[@gwenmcgarry528]

I'd agree with you except triple A games aren't really gay, they're too soulless and corporate. Indie games are much better at being gay too

[@BrickDaniels-qu7bz]

@@gwenmcgarry528 Seriously, I don't even hate gay people. I hate all the fake bullshit that gets spread everywhere. I'll accept something that's truly gay.

[@FrancisHD]

False

[@PsychoRavager]

@@FrancisHD, great argument, bro.

[@HatredInTheFlesh]

Ain’t nothing wrong with being gay. I like that Ellie from Tlou2 is a complete murder machine that also happens to be lesbian

[@zippo71111]

Too many factors to mention, but popularity and people at the top that only think profit who don't care about video games are a couple of them. Most AAA games these days are just bland and boring, no personality and no common sense. We can talk all day about the amount of games promoting Diversity and being inclusive, HECK YES the same people that EXCLUDE the common people and show that they aren't any better when things get heated. I think social media being on lock down for a year could've improved society a bit.

[@scottroxford5715]

I'll defend Fortnite here for a moment, before they started adding all the cars, instruments and lego shit, Fortnite's monetization is actually the best, which is why everyone tries to copy it but Fortnite skins actually give you your money's worth, either they have a bunch of customization options or they come with other stuff like backpacks or pickaxes, or they have cheap bundles that come with v- bucks and their battle pass design is also still the best because they always include enough in game currency to buy the next pass for free, actually more than that. Plus Fortnite isn't just BR, there's this little mode called "Save the World" and it's actually very well written, it's not super edgy or anything but they have a joke about toxic masculinity and it actually works really well.

[@ramoraid]

Another save the world player, truly a marginalized group 😂😂😂

[@scottroxford5715]

@@ramoraid For real.

[@josemcgomes]

Don't forget Fortnite battle royale is FREE. Employing Season Passes on paid games is wack. I wouldn't mind Fallout 1st, for example, if Fallout 76 were free. Just like I don't mind paying for SWTOR because the base game is F2P and already fun.

[@astrobat1638]

Even better, you could get the battlepass for FREE if you ground out 300 v-bucks each for 3 seasons, giving you the battlepass for the next season once you reach another 100 v-bucks and starting the cycle you mentioned above.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Eh, it's still slop for little kids, which weirdly enough has half naked women running around

[@Blayze_Charles_Official]

If you get offended it’s not the game. It’s you.

[@JGMGamer07]

GTA 6 will not be soft, and matter of fact will indeed cause controversy that's because Rockstar has always been like that

[@commie_remover]

Is that so? Remember the original MW2? Compare it to the remake. Rockstar is the same, it got infiltrated by communists who will ruin GTA 6.

[@ponraul1221]

Replace “GTA 6” and “Rockstar” and I heard the same bs about CDPR and Cyberpunk 2077 in early 2020

[@romanhoax9014]

*It will be soft*

[@JGMGamer07]

I'm telling y'all Rockstar won't disappoint Edit: If you mention GTA trilogy remasters, those were made by grove street games that had 20 workers not made by Rockstar

[@Squeaky245]

Rockstar already compromised and censored 'offensive' content from GTA 5. You're optimism for them maintaining their traditional irreverence is completely baseless.

[@KingEgyptian]

You may not want to get political, but that's one of the biggest reasons why games have gotten soft and lame. There are plenty of other reasons too, but politics, agendas, and forcing ideologies in games became more prevalent because gaming became more mainstream & popular. Our mistake was not gatekeeping hard enough.

[@Anonymous-ux8ku]

You forgot to mention catering to people who only care about a game if it aligns with their ideology instead of listening to what the real gamers want.

[@Gonalotuber]

Games have always been political. He opens talking about GTA, one of the most political games

[@sam1_2_1]

​@@Gonalotuber they were always political, but only recently became politically correct™

[@Gonalotuber]

@@sam1_2_1 How has GTA become politically correct? New Vegas is a different story, it was made by Obsidian not Bethesda. There are still cool edgy single player games out there, not in the AAA industry but more so in the indie. Actually I would argue that AA and indie games are the ones still trying to make good quality single player games for the most part

[@sam1_2_1]

@@Gonalotuber I didn't mean GTA or New Vegas. I meant recent AAA games in general. They're implementing certain ideologies to please a certain group of people.

[@charmingpeasant9834]

I'm afraid that Eastern European and Japanese developers have also gotten soft. CDPR changed things in CP77 because Twitter complained that it wasnt ''inclusive'' enough. Female character designs were toned down in Resident Evil remakes. Rockstar are overrated too as far edginess goes, they announced in 2022 that they would no longer employ satire that offends ''marginalized'' people.

[@deathtrooper2048]

Japan was always soft, if you look at western games going into Japan they are always censored from the western version.

[@gwenmcgarry528]

Blame shareholders for worrying more about stock price than quality content

[@TheBayzent]

As time goes by and gaking loses money it will go back to be a niche hobby and you'll get all the tourists out.

[@mephisto-blackknife-5231]

@@TheBayzent May god hear you

[@cheerful_crop_circle]

​​@@deathtrooper2048 Japan is the most soft and feminine country in the world. Only weak gay people want to go to Japan

[@lay_lowll2310]

Call of Duty removed the word “Kill” in 2021 and replaced it with “Elimination”. A “17+ mature” game censoring language and shoving down micro-transactions down your throat.. what a fucking joke

[@angka3807]

People don't realize that in the end, game is a game, violent in a game isn't real.

[@motherurck7542]

There is a good chance that GTA VI is going to softer than V. They already changed V for the PS5 rererelease. Plus they also said they aren't going to be " punching down" with their humor.

[@jerrodshack7610]

Oh no! I hate it when humor is clever instead of just "haha minority bad"!

[@motherurck7542]

@jerrodshack7610 Yet I'm going to guess you find any jokes targeted at white men to be "hilarious". You either make fun of everyone or no one. I rather make fun of everyone.

[@MB-eh2kp]

Me when the game wants to actually have actual humor instead of saying “minority bad” 😭

[@ReapersLove69]

​@@jerrodshack7610oh yeah "clever" like saints row reboot right? ☺️✨ fucking autist

[@kingan7843]

​@@MB-eh2kp humor is subjective, just because you don't find something funny doesn't mean everyone else finds it unfunny, the world does not revolve around you

[@ImTwxn]

I was born in gen-z and can say everything you said is in this video is the truth. Gen-Z just gets a bad rep but we're not all sensitive white girls 😂

[@andypantsgaming]

Thank you. My 20 year old BIL has shown me this

[@contra7631]

​@@andypantsgaming Trust me I am Gen Z too and I liked games when they were edgier,serious etc.

[@snitchracer6952]

I know, it's almost like this whole "generation" thing is just a label.

[@andypantsgaming]

@@snitchracer6952 Goes both ways. I hear whining about me being a millenial for shit that isnt true as well

[@snitchracer6952]

@@andypantsgaming That's my point though. I think grouping people into these stupid "teams" is causing people to hate entire age groups for no real reason, other then the fact they are a "gen z" or whatever crap

[@nauglefest]

GTA Vice City in 2002 was really "offensive" and it was a great game with great humor.

[@NinjaskKing]

I don’t think that these developers realize that the average person in the modern times we live in still has an edgy sense of humor and wants to see that portrayed in art, why do you think that games like GTA, Mortal Kombat (which has played it safer as of late) and Postal are so popular? It’s because people love the offensive nature of those games because believe it or not most people are not prudes.

[@gwenmcgarry528]

It ain't the developers it's the marketing teams and shareholders who decide. They're more concerned with profit than anything interesting

[@NinjaskKing]

@@gwenmcgarry528 well they’d get a lot more profit if they’d allow the developers to make the games interesting

[@gwenmcgarry528]

@NinjaskKing probably, but when has a corporation ever been good at giving up control or accepting risk? Especially over a long period of time like what it takes to make a game

[@NinjaskKing]

@@gwenmcgarry528 what’s the risk? Look at how well Stellar Blade sold. Publishers ruin everything these days out of fear of social media ridicule, Saints Row reboot is a prime example of what publishers actually think will sell… let it sink in.

[@gwenmcgarry528]

@NinjaskKing exactly, stellar blade is a perfect example of how irrelevant social media complaints are. You're proving my point, publishers are more concerned with trying to get the broadest appeal or making shareholders happy. Thus they don't let developers have actual creative freedom

[@FlameSkull95]

I am so glad, as a 28 year old late millenial, that someone finally brought up the rising popularity of mobile gaming as a large cause for the decline of what this video is about. The industry has in fact attracted people who feel nothing but apathy for this one beloved niche medium, and it's very much telling that it's a golden mine oportunity for folks who haven't even picked up a gaming controller, to either milk their customer base dry, to pander to those who don't like videogames for what they are, or to attract the lowest common denominator as it's trendy at the moment by just looking at the plethora of flavour of the month releases that constantly come and go. We were humiliated as teenager for liking something that at least did things in a unique way at the time, but now that gaming has become more socially acceptable, it came with the asking price of almost everything looking homogenous, so much that as of recent, even Eastern studios like SEGA, Atlus, Capcom and even shift up began catering to the pressuring forces, and also embracing a similar level of censorship by covering up a female character's body, altering offensive scenes and further dialing down some of the dialogue while also taking away their charm and personality of these games This might be mean spirited from me, but moral of the story is, this is why I believe gatekeeping needs to be enforced, period.

[@botezsimp5808]

How the hell do you gatekeep though?

[@BrickDaniels-qu7bz]

@@botezsimp5808 Racism.

[@FlameSkull95]

@@botezsimp5808 it's rather simple, question their knowledge about the aforementioned topic, and if they fail to answer it objectively, just single them out completly. A lot of entertainment to me these days, is filled with so called "tourists", which have slowly normalizing what was once abnormal with gaming specially. I'm not even against the idea of representation on paper, but if it does a poor job at engaging an audience via the combination of narrative and direct input, then they might as well abstain from it and perhaps think of something else.

[@FrancisHD]

no

[@alessandrobaggi6129]

@FrancisHD "Stop it. Get some help..." 😏😏😏

[@ElHombreDePollo]

its all about the experience. when making a war game make it horrifying, bloody and evil. when making a game about street gangs then give me what's it like to be in a street gang. games focus too much on how they want games to be instead of how they should be and end up losing what it could've becomes with what they want it to become.

[@Xenoblade47]

Fact

[@AussieGunMaster]

The way I look at games is I like to be able to do stuff that I could never do in real life

[@ileiad]

Now this is how you make a video essay. I'm not gonna name names, but you better take notes.

[@Zichfried]

All games I play nowadays are from decades ago or games with literal no plot at all. The new takes of the industry made me totally lost interest in new games. Not to mention, the better the graphics get, the worst, simple and more boring the games become. They have lost gaming soul in exchange to please people that doesn't even buy the games but they complain on Twitter aboout a product they will never touch.

[@DavidBaillie1986]

Don't use GTA as an example. Rockstar have been removing content and bowed down to the tq+ crowd long ago.

[@angel_of_rust]

he himself is pretty soft on what he thinks is edgy. GTA San Andreas, Ren n Stimpy & South Park (they're animated shows but that goes to show that media had more, grit, edge and bone back then [South Park is still going strong thank god]), 2000s extreme sports games, and Postal are way more edgy

[@badass6300]

@@angel_of_rust I still think that Postal is a 5-6/10 in edginess. If we want truely edgy we need to have some character development and investment and then go gritty on them.

[@shadowking773]

GTA 4 had LGBT characters still it was cool as hell, it's the representation that matters