When Every Land You Mill is Ramp, Actually | Against the Odds

[@DylanHunter64]

Vinelasher riding the Hedge Shredder in the thumbnail is surprisingly adorable lol

[@derekcline950]

They have a great thumbnail artist. The artist routinely has bangers

[@DylanHunter64]

@@derekcline950 Yea, Adriano is the man. He has a seriously nuts portfolio at this point.

[@La_Lente_Oscura]

I want a sticker

[@Wabiman70]

We need stickers of all the thumbnails of this chanel jsjsjsjs

[@domotoroOfficial]

why is it surprising?

[@Karl_Smink]

I feel like this deck needs a 1-of Dopplegang somewhere to allow us to combo kill after we ramp and don't have enough lands left in deck to kill.

[@Karl_Smink]

Replacing the Spelunkings with Deepcavern Bat would also let us survive quite a lot longer and know what our opponent is working with. And we can potentially Dopplegang the Bat to empty our opponent's hand and swing for lethal.

[@domotoroOfficial]

sure, but what are you cutting to make room? don’t just suggest the easy-half of an edit…

[@aaronisbell377]

I think I like it. You risk milling the dopplegang and cache grab can’t fetch it. But there are four wails that might find it.

[@dezsomodos1314]

Lumira. It is a redundancy piece.

[@mopanda81]

doppelgang could do it, overlord of the hauntwoods could also give us some more staying power upping the threat count by a bit and making extra lands

[@Dragiceoriginal]

Oh my god Seth actually calling Cache Grab correctly? What timeline is this

[@cole3823]

he still snuck in a hedge maGe though lol

[@teusz16]

@@cole3823Magic is a battle of wits between two hedge mages

[@Germynator31]

Cash Grab?

[@RiKSh4w]

Idk. I still think it should be pronounced "caysh"

[@ther3aper561]

This is actually Crims Halloween costume.

[@stonerainproductions]

Seth, so far I'm just in game one but I have to say, watching you having fun makes me happy. Awesome content as always my friend!

[@sumosalamander7868]

I've been playing a deck with all crime lands, raven of fell omens and freestrider lookouts as extra vinelashers/ramp, and a hedge shredder-breach the multiverse combo. Shocks and desert's due for removal/crime on opponent's turn. The Gitrog ravenous ride for extra mid game combo. It's really strong :D.

[@sidneypowelstock6812]

that sounds super fun I wish I had the wild cards to try it lol

[@Llamaha47]

Decklist would go crazy 🙏🙏

[@sumosalamander7868]

@@Llamaha47 Sure! 4 Vinelashers, 4 Raven of Fell Omens, 4 Desert's Dues, 2 Lively Dirge, 3 Assassin's Trophies, 3 Clifftop Lookouts, 4 Freestrider Lookouts, 3 Hedge Shredders, 2 Overlord of the Balemurk, 2 The Gitrog Ravenous Ride, 2 Breach the Multiverse. Lands: 4 Festering Gulch, 4 Forlorn Flats, 4 Soured Springs, 4 Jagged Barens, 4 Bristling Backwoods, 4 Creosote Heath, 4 Lush Oasis. I took out the shocks and made the deck full golgari for better consistency with mana and put in the Assassin's Trophies. Might try adding a fourth once I get another wildcard for it. I've been playing Bo1 and have a winning record in Diamond. If I was playing Bo3 would definitely have sweepers in sideboard. My biggest challenge is go wide aggro.

[@alancruz1405]

"We can fix it? Yes we can" i love the draw of the little lizzard in the vehicle, funny and lettal.

[@minecraftfanaaron]

Aftermath analyst would probably be a good backup plan for hedge shredder; if you got the vinelasher already, all youd need with analyst is having milled a bunch of lands and then playing and activating the analyst for 6 mana total to win on the spot; that seems better than needing to sit there waiting for the shredder every time lol

[@LordZurkov]

Lumara is the price as Analyst + activation, except you also get a big body. It's already in the deck, so 🤷‍♂️

[@lesternomo6578]

@@LordZurkovyea lumra is much better as a standalone card, analyst is better with Nissa and is pretty much a blank with hedge shredder in play

[@PomesCollege]

Omg the way he says "Lizards" 34:45. Sending me.

[@kaikoacorvikeiagreen3265]

I had an idea like this the other day, happy to see Seth do it better!

[@kukaracha262]

Awesome deck idea! Love these creative combos ^^

[@jackmanning156]

I think the hedge shredder is based on the wood chipper from Fargo :D

[@Atmapalazzo]

That's all I could think of, but Fargo isn't a horror movie. My other idea is that it's not specific to any particular idea but instead more around the general idea of "deadly gardening 'accidents'" like in Fargo.

[@SKAMANDO]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGTWp6Ruer1jZ7c Dead Alive was my thought, one of my favorite scenes in horror.

[@Zarren_Redacted]

Tucker and Dale vs Evil

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

​@Zarren_Redacted this was my thought as well.

[@TolarianNinja]

I think Hedge Shredder is referencing the monster from that early 90's environmental horror movie, Ferngully. It's just missing the pollution to feed singing Tim Curry.

[@notimportant768]

yknow hedge shredder also combos really well with insidious roots, you would want to stay more in golgari but you could have an insidious roots deck with the combo, you just have slower mill but otherwise usually have slightly weaker redundant mill pieces pieces instead of doing it all at once. You also have a backup combo that contributes to making sure your vinelasher can get back on board with osteomancer. I mean vinelasher isn't the most in place card but you can always add archeologist and make it more in place.

[@sidneypowelstock6812]

I don't think they work too well together since lands leaving the graveyard don't trigger insidious roots. Spelunking and vinelasher also don't do much in the insidious roots deck. I'm not trynna be a hater but I think there's not enough room for both hedge shredder cards and insidious roots cards as well as good self mill in the deck

[@murdockberk8888]

That last game ending the way it did was just perfect

[@TeeKayBee]

This deck was sweet. I've been having a lot of fun with Goyf & Beans from around a month ago. I built it on arena & just got the rest of the cards for paper yesterday!

[@Nopenotyou]

I threw the Hedge shredder/Spelunking combo into a Simic mill deck with 8 landfall crabs. Haven’t really had a chance to play with it yet, but it’s hilarious to goldfish

[@Filosofía_Hundun]

Did you test it? Can you share the deck?

[@Nopenotyou]

Never got a chance to build it, KZbin is removing the comment when I try to link to the list though. If you don’t see the moxfield link in a separate comment, it’s on there as a modern deck named “Hedron shredder milll”

[@justinhasnoloveforem]

I've played you before, and never knew it. Great content, bro!!!

[@jlaw131985]

Manifest Dread also works really well with Hedge Shredder, which means Threats Around Every Corner would supercharge this too.

[@hallowedmist4289]

surprised to see no aftermath analyst as a back up hedge shredder or especially a few fabled passages to eek out a few more points of damage maybe just hard to find the space love the deck though

[@noodlesalad]

Seems like this deck would like a Pillage The Bog or two to help find the shredder.

[@Designer-Brandon]

Seth: " Will ya Limmy mill with Hedge Shredder Jimmy?" LOL.

[@LoveisLight-n9r]

hi safron olive. i found a card that is like the hedron crab you had a video about with the hedge shredder combo. it is for historic and it is iceberg cancrix. also another jaw dropping card for this combo is springheart nantuko but it is alot of combo pieces at that point. better to put in some copy spells i think. i have done the combo a few times now.

[@AesirOdinn]

Thank you for making cool Sultai decks, they are my favorite

[@pkslightweight]

I've been riding Vinelasher through Standard since it dropped, and I am SO EXCITED to drop Hedge Shredder in.

[@rohacjustrohac3581]

alredy bought two shredders into my graveyard decks such as mothman very excited to try it soon

[@taylorjohnson5148]

What a neat looking deck. Hedge shredder and razorkin needle head I want the most from the set. Abhorrent occulus as well but that bad boy went way up in price

[@hugmonger]

I actually think this might be my favorite standard deck I have seen.

[@triplea657aaa]

I've been wanting to scheme up a hedge shredder deck! Awesome fun!

[@Grimlock2183]

Hedge Shredder seems nuts. Def gonna jame one in my Mothman deck

[@SupremeDirt]

when i saw hedge shredder spoiled, i knew there was a solid chance this would be coming, and i'm glad i wasn't disappointed.

[@LoveisLight-n9r]

I made a version of this with only 4 nonland cards. Vinelasher shredder Ashdod intervention and the mill card is tale of tamiyo. Tamiyo work by having lots of lands in your library. I have like 36 crime lands

[@terraqueo89]

29:45 please attack into your opponent here, this was 5 free damage or a "removal". 5 damage is five lasher triggers.

[@aliasisudonomo]

Real "Plan B? No, Plan 2. Plan B implies I only have 26 plans" energy in the game play this week.

[@Drewsky32]

I'd like to see if Hedge Shredder would do well in like Historic with cards like Creeping Chill, Bloodghast, Prized Amalgam, Sticher's Supplier - just full on graveyard value.

[@hanorotu]

Devious cover up, love that card

[@COZYTW]

How would sac lands work with the combo, though? Sacrifice it, it gets brought back to the battlefield by the shredder, 3-card combo damage? That's spicy. Also probably why it's not available in so many formats.

[@montefrenkel8205]

Do wonder about using something like under the skin to mill and have a way to recur the shredder

[@zyrohnmng]

I absolutely love this deck

[@RaiyZa_]

Saff needs to add those desert lands that ping an opponent, Splendid Reclamation effects such as Aftermath Analyst or Lumra as backup Hedgeshredder and the deck could be better.

[@muffinhydra]

I would swap the pain lands for sunken citadels in order to make the manland plan better. (Synergizes also with spelunking a bit)

[@Egovinco98]

38:35 why did we surveil a land to the top? (and snuck it with editing :o)

[@syrelian]

I figured Seth was mashing through stack actions and accidentally skipped the surveil

[@MindstabThrull]

I constantly see decks that run 3+ colours in various formats and I always wonder if it's possible to trim down the number of colours. You need Green for the ramp-from-graveyard and Black for the Vinelasher - is it possible to make this straight Golgari? Worth it?

[@captntrousers4646]

I feel like hedge shredder might be a nod to the lawnmower scene in Sinister. But, I could be wrong.

[@Thaelkor]

Lumra is by far my favorite card printed in BB.

[@gemyniraptor8626]

Deck is hilarious. But wanted to call out soporificsailor for being a toolbag with the *instant and incessant Your Go* spam. guys playing a deck that hasnt changed practically in a year and you can feel the smugness in the emoting. just crappy sportsmanlike conduct

[@623alterego]

LOOK AT THE LANDS! LOOK AT THE DAMAGE! SETH, WHAT WAS THAT?!?!

[@colinsickels8013]

Please tell me we’re revisiting this as a pioneer deck

[@MrFireInTheDisco]

19:07 would go crazy with doppelgang

[@1000Tomatoes]

I have a soft spot for land graveyard synergies so this is a big win.

[@codylarsen6637]

This deck is much better than that trash flash budget build you did earlier this week.

[@Crimmando]

This deck feels like it could use some big X card like Dopplegang or Villainous Wealth or Crackle with Power to have a lights out button.

[@Paulthored]

20:47 Lawnmower Man. General Horror...

[@legendarye172]

Do this in Modern with Hedron Crab

[@raysilva4128]

In some horror movies head shredders get used as murder weapons

[@owenhenahan8658]

Virtue of Knowledge would be insane here

[@NathanielSimpson1481]

A sequel in modern using Valakut in a Jund shell could be fun (i know its just worse amulet titan)

[@jackmanning156]

This is wild! Maybe even pioneer and modern playable 👀

[@Kuzmathgar]

I've been thinking about some kind of mill-shift deck for Modern that could use self-mill, land reanimation, and Valakut!

[@bullahism]

Not like this it isn't. Very slow deck with no blockers, heal or cheap removal. Even the combo is very fragile to any interaction. Needs a backup tactic like aftermath analyst and something for vinelasher. Also sideboard needs to be full of anti-aggro pieces. If vinelasher is stone brained away, this loses to everything. He got lucky with the matchups in this video.

[@christophercastellan6925]

@17:30 you had that game easily, pay 4 life and you can cast both Jace that turn!

[@indigobuffalo]

Doesn’t this just insta kill in older formats where you use those lands that sacrifice upon entering play to search for a basic land? Like it sacs itself, goes to graveyard, and gets returned to play. You’d need the vinelasher otherwise you’d be stuck in an infinite loop.

[@thaddeusgenhelm8979]

I briefly thought that as well before reading the card properly, but Hedgeshredder is specifically when you send a land from the library to the graveyard, not whenever a land goes to the graveyard, so lands that sac themselves from the field don't trigger it. Library -> Graveyard triggers it, nowhere else.

[@MAlanThomasII]

Hedge (Head?) Shredder might be a Lawnmower Man reference?

[@zigzag2370]

idk how seth missed this but the blue virtue can double the jace mill activation for 30 cards 😅

[@Hanmacx]

I probably would try a Version with Saddle and Survival creatures

[@louisnemzer6801]

WoTC: 4 mana is a steep enough cost for an insanely powerful static abilty, right?

[@KiuhKobold]

"Super awesome Duskmourn standard". Say sike...please say sike

[@dankrocka64]

No Mudflat Village? That's like the best thing about Vinelasher

[@binguspingus2461]

I feel like a 1 of lord of the balemurk would be great in this

[@samgiblett3671]

Is it work adding a doppelgang to the deck as you are making so much mana

[@syrelian]

Probably not, it could be an emergency solution to playing all your lands before Vinelasher, but its kind of a clunky bomb

[@firefeonix]

With spelunking out as well doesn't an evolving wilds style land go infinite?

[@syrelian]

No, Shredder only rescues lands sent from the deck, fetchs die correctly Also you'd run out of fetch targets anyway

[@jackgadberry8874]

I think a one of dopplegang would be fun for the content

[@themuffinman8969]

no Aftermath Analyst?

[@eddiekalista3222]

This is so fun

[@TheEvolver311]

We need a Ral Zarak tribal deck

[@Darkanimeking23]

hedge Shredder reminds me of Edward Scissorhands, even the sound if you play it sounds like snipping

[@RatRatham]

Fun video

[@bassfingas11]

I think the Hedge Shredder is referencing "Lawnmower Man"?

[@peskywombat4915]

This feels like a dopplegang deck

[@mojomagick9629]

Hedge Shredder reminded me of the Power Loader from Aliens but maybe thats just me

[@jackthebroken2084]

I think Hedge Shredder is mostly a callback to The Shining's famous hedge maze. But in the words of David S. Pumpkins, "It's its own thing."

[@Skyhighjettalone]

I thought the shredder was a callback to that random sawblade wielding robot that showed up in Cabin in the Woods

[@asimolok]

this is best deck so far killing your opponents with lands 😁 kudos 😆

[@abdo19code]

"come on magic gods 🙏" 🗿💀 okay

[@ianlandseadel9989]

I feel like say it's name / Altanak belong somewhere in this deck.

[@DOLOTread]

Just do a queza deck pls lmao it’s so good

[@IdsFear]

i'm surprised i didnt see 4 say its name and an altanak

[@bughouse26]

Suggest tweaking the mana base to add 4 Fabled passage and a lot more basics. When played fairly it doubles the vinelasher triggers. With hedge shredder then it gets ridiculous.

[@Loretorafa]

Could use pillage the bog

[@domotoroOfficial]

hedge shredder in smth like legacy four horsemen feels like it’d be so useless yet so enjoyable edit: I guess it beats extirpate if they hit your dread return with it? because you can untap next turn and probably cast emrakul? grasping at straws here lol

[@radicalratx7790]

Now mix this deck with the Doppelgang desert deck lol

[@sheaandrus-oak6546]

I just know I bought playsets of everything green and playsets of all the verge lands

[@JulietHotel580]

SURVEIL THE WHALE!!!!

[@jannderwow]

whaaaatt a cooooool, deeeeeeeccckkkkk

[@j0s3phsw33n3y]

Is it me or does anyone hear Seth saying "Head Shredder" everytime?

[@kevincarter9164]

The rock and his millions

[@JacoDeltaco]

Head Shredder? Devious cover up?

[@controlaltdeleteish]

Toss in a doppelgang lol

[@sjefdebelg3630]

Niceeeeee

[@jasonhamburger912]

🎉

[@_narcosis]

Great, another pushed landfall card

[@pneuma08]

Spelunking.... Yeah, in my experience it is always juuust not worth it. Like, it sweetens up so many actions but always ends up being optional. It often ends up being a win-more card that you need to take turn 3 off to set up. I always end up cutting it.

[@sheaandrus-oak6546]

This shouldn't be against the odds, in my opinion, if built correctly with kona lumra and trash-born tyrant

[@RainbowRandolf]

The fact that you aren't playing 2+ Lumra as backup shredders is baffling to me.

[@LithmusEarth]

7 minutes in, that's ridiculous.13 minutes in was a little more, that build up was far scarier, even if the game was quite the nothing burger.