When/How to Switch to D&D 5e 2024 | Nerd Immersion

[@SlinkyTWF]

"Players, read your character sheet."

[@flavorgod]

This the whole problem with modern RPGS. Looking up your character sheet for abilities is opposite of immersive roleplay. Engage with the fiction, not the mechanics.

[@flavorgod]

@@voodoophil You clearly know nothing of OSR

[@geoffdewitt6845]

Ted's continued transformation into a hobo wizard is fascinating.

[@pranakhan]

I'm staying with the original rules set, until we move to a new system. I realize I'm probably going to wind up leaving some of my D&D channels behind as well, since everyone in the community is moving forward. It's bittersweet, but I'm grateful for the clever and useful info I have received over the years. Its increased the quality of my games as both a player and a DM.

[@Emanuele_Sacchi]

I won't be transitioning my current campaign to 2024 rules... I will run it to the end with 2014 rules and THEN start a new one with the new rules. Switching mid-campaign makes no sense IMHO, particularly as the new MM isn't even out yet

[@benjamight4996]

I'm doing the same thing

[@Dracoaurion]

Then you are part of the problem. Screw the 6e bullshit.

[@O4C209]

I'm treating it the same as Tasha's and Xanathar's. Occasionally adding or switching rules if everyone likes the new version. Regarding power creep. I've been treating PCs as if they are two or three levels higher than they are.

[@michaelstubbert8899]

I'm running a side game using the 2024 rules so we can get a feel for it before we decide whether to transition

[@zane4218]

I’ve bought the two books so far but don’t think I’ll ask my players to consider upgrading for this campaign and possibly even the next, just because I don’t want to ask them to buy a new book. I really like my player barrier to entry level to be really low since all but one of us is really casual. I bet they will become aware of the new handbook in a year or so and if they ask I can just be like “yep, have it, will upgrade if yall are excited!” Other than that I don’t see myself swapping unless I see a new 5.5 campaign come out that really tickles my fancy.

[@zane4218]

Haven’t even bothered reading the new DMG yet even though I hear great things lol

[@Eisenbrei]

I am in a Storm King's Thunder Campaign and our DM was all too happy to switch to the new rules, because it meand that he could up the challenge of the monsters! I play a monk and it feels like the first time i contribute to the campaign, since Giants are very good at CON saves and my stunning strikes did barely anything, but now i am actually dealing damage!

[@grognardgaming8952]

Don't. Roll credits.

[@matthewdbickel]

Bingo!

[@JunMiyazaki]

Half a year ago I made a narrative upgrade for the PCs, based on the available UAs. We made a training session where friendly expert NPCs trained the PCs. After that the weapon masteries and some of the updated class features - like the monks' updated features - were available to the PCs. This training session was a kind of award after completing a major arc of the campaign.

[@jordanlindsey4299]

I picked up a 2024 phb and liked most of the new rules (iffy on ranger until I can play it), but I don't know if my dm will ever implement them because they already homebrew/supplement other rules. Maybe in a one shot or when the campaign ends

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@jordanlindsey4299 You can ask them, just be honest with why you want some of the new stuff (keeping it to specific stuff rather than the whole lot). However, don't get pushy about it. There are many valid reasons for DMs to turn down these new rules, so don't give them grief if they don't. I'd personally probably turn you down but that's just my decision on One Dnd

[@mikepowers8607]

I have no plans to switch from what I call the 5.14 ruleset to the 5.24 ruleset any time soon. I'm running a series of AD&D (first edition) modules that have been converted to 5.14, and there are no conversions to 5.24 yet. And I've got PLENTY of material my players have never seen before to plow through before even considering the switch. All my D&D is on Roll20. I'm in one 5.24 game and to be 100% frank, the 5.24 sheet on Roll20 sucks. It's poorly organzied and cumbersome to use. I'm in the process of building the 5.24 character on a 5.14 sheet because the functionality is much better.

[@douglaspope-gz1eq]

I think it doesn't matter if someone wants to update or not I personally want to update but it's up to the individual to update or not

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@douglaspope-gz1eq It doesn't until blatant power creep starts overshadowing some of the older 5e options

[@douglaspope-gz1eq]

@pizzaemperor3553 ok? The game is improving if you don't like the "power creep" then that's your business. my opinion still stands if you have a problem with anything I'm saying than keep it to yourself and let me enjoy D&D if you want to keep with 2014 then fine I'm ok with that but don't try to force your opinions down someone else's throat if you want to express your opinion than fine but word it in a way that doesn't make you look like an asshole it doesn't change the fact that I still want to update to try out the new changes and besides the updated rules look fun

[@Dragowolf_Rising]

​@@douglaspope-gz1eqHonestly, your response comes off way more harsh and aggressive here. Power creep does not mean "improvement". Some people like it, some people hate it, but it does impact the game and it can't be ignored indefinitely. Seems like all the other commenter did was point out an oversight.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@douglaspope-gz1eq No hostility meant, just saying that's a notable issue caused by the transition. It's objectively a higher power level than normal 5e and that has a tendency to cause issues. If you want to go on with it go ahead, gods forbid WotC be held to a higher standard.

[@douglaspope-gz1eq]

@@pizzaemperor3553 I might have been a little more aggressive than I intended so I apologize for that I just interpreted it as you trying to be negative

[@willemverheij3412]

When? Never. It just seems to create whole different issues and I have no interest buying the books again. It's just a needless cashgrab to me.

[@HamburgerHat1]

piracy.

[@willemverheij3412]

@@HamburgerHat1 I wouldn't even want it for free out of principle.

[@HamburgerHat1]

@@willemverheij3412 I mean fair enough. Weapon mastery is the shit though. 100% worth a pirate just for that in my opinion lol

[@LordTonzilla]

​@@willemverheij3412I mean, you can just implement the good things from the new rules and leave everything else without paying for anything.

[@4WordsTo]

Not sure if I'd call it a cash grab, but I definitely think that the 2024 edition shouldn't be called D&D 5e. For starters they should've just called it 5.5e if it really was an update to the existing 5e rules, but I feel like they're changing the basics far enough that they should've just made a cut and call it 6e.

[@EpicRandomness555]

I actually got the new DMG for Christmas. I wanted that over the PHB since it needs a reprint and such. I love it. I would’ve asked for the MM if it was out though

[@trevorcarskadon]

One thing that as a DM has felt clunky is the wide varieties of ways that players have the ability to knock things around simply by hitting or knocking things prone without a saving throw. Legendary resistances were there to prevent a boss from getting immediately decimated. Now I have Goliath Rogues knocking people prone for free getting sneak damage. It becomes even more problematic for flying targets who, if get prone drop to the ground. Fighters moving targets 50 ft in a round with a reach weapon is insane. I really wish they would have put saves to some of these. I think they saw some of these concepts from Warlocks and broadened them to others. It never felt bad with Warlocks because there would only be one in the group usually, but now multiple characters can work together to knock a villian 100ft away off a cliff or into a pool of lava effortlessly. That's my biggest gripe with 2024 RAW atm.

[@duhg599]

3:07. "What I've done is maxed out all of my monsters' hit points." I've done this in addition to maximizing the monsters' damage. It's worked fairly well when it's time for a knock-down-drag-out fight where I want the threat of danger to feel real. But really, if you're not sure if you're challenging the party enough, remember that you can always add a dragon. Combat encounter balance rules be damned - send more dragons. Party walloping your wizards? Send more dragons. Vampires getting vaporized? Send more dragons. Are your liches getting stiches? Send more dragons. Are your mind flayers flayed like the players were getting paid? Send more dragons. Worried about the odds when the party faces gods? Send more dragons. Is the party getting sleazy when they rend poor krakens? The solution gets easy... (say it with me, now) Send. More. Dragons!

[@silasrobertshaw8122]

Or beholders!!!

[@marcusmyers4822]

And if they start dragging your dragons? Well you obviously didn’t send enough so send more dragons.

[@hatihrodvitnisson]

At my table, I’m going to integrate the new rules piece by piece, and end up with a sort of hybrid between the two systems.

[@chrisg8989]

Now... it's super easy to swap. I am using the new rules and gave my players the options to update their characters if they wanted. 2 chose to update, and 1 didn't, and it runs great.

[@zane4218]

In an RPG game a power disparity isn’t always bad, and if they are playing different classes than each other it might not even be obvious. But have you felt a power level difference within the party?

[@chrisg8989]

@zane4218 No, not really. The one player who didn't switch is playing a Bladesinger Wizard. And he is still kicking just as much ass as the Gloomstalker Ranger and the Great Old One Warlock.

[@EpicRandomness555]

@@chrisg8989Oh of course, a Bladesinger lol. Yeah I can see why you wouldn’t see a difference.

[@4WordsTo]

I'm in a similar situation, just as a player. It's a mess. We only use the new classes, no new spells, some of the subclasses are missing, the new weapon masteries not being used and the general base rules still being the same as in the 2014 edition. I think mixing the editions is pretty bad, but I'm also not happy with the 2024 edition over all, so I might be biased.

[@EpicRandomness555]

@@4WordsTo Well yeah you mixed them wrong.

[@generalsci3831]

Answer: Only switch if you feel like it. My Saturday group switched real quick. I play in another group that refuses to switch, and that's great too.

[@johnharrison2086]

The time to switch was when WOTC tried to revoke the OGL. The switch can be to any other system.

[@zhornlegacy7936]

I've got my pf2e books, finished up my last 5e campaign, so looks like the time to switch is lined up here

[@Decado1628]

Bingo!

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Many did which is why they not only reinstated it but also are including 5.24 onder the OGL

[@zactheg]

Dark Eye and pf2

[@ETthehorse]

I too dropped Hasbro WOTC products and dusted off my collection of 2nd, 3rd and 3.5. My new players were blown away by how great that version was compared to 5th.

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

I've started a new campaign with every edition. Usually after completing the current campaign sometimes running multiple editions at the same time. Although I have also been in the habit of running multiple systems at the same time

[@slackeratlarge575]

I already am running a tomb of annihilation on 2024, it’s pretty good. Once in a while conflicts with older rules arise but nothing a d20 roll can’t solve

[@Alltos]

Sphere of annihilation's damage has been doubled in 2024 (to 8d10) and power word kill now does 12d12 to targets above 100 hp. You can give your players a real run for their money with acererak.

[@ramonlafee988]

Good advice on waiting for the 2024 Monster Manual

[@rjung6309]

Just getting back into D&D. So 2024 version works for me.

[@cordell224]

I'm curious what changes you would make, like you mentioned in the video about bringing older subclasses to a 2024 table similar to the Wildfire druid subclass!!

[@bakuiel1901]

I am not currently in a campaign but in my last 2014 campaign I had to homebrew to make the Monsters strong enough then so not a big deal for our table

[@bakuiel1901]

I'm glad we have better crafting rules as I used the Pathfinder 1E rules for our last campaign

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@bakuiel1901 With all due respect, have you seen the new crafting yet? If you haven't you're probably gonna be a bit disappointed 😓 I'd recommend KibblesTasty's Crafting System, I think you'll like it

[@Otinashi]

I'm implementing some of the new features (like bastions) immediately as a DM. For PCs I'm leaving it up to them whether they want to use old or new classes/races going forward. I'm a big fan of most of the changes. I see the 2024 rules as a direct upgrade from the 2014 rules Seems like a lot of the people in these comments don't even like DnD or 5e as a game system in general, so why are you even here lol

[@tehaus10]

Hear me out. What if we let players create characters under new rules to give them that false sense of security, let them be super powerful and confident. Watch as they bulldoze and decimate the competition. Then when the new monsters drop, pull the rug out and drop them into the thunderdome with appropriate leveled monsters and let natural selection run its course.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@tehaus10 It would be funny if the new monsters were fun to fight, but from what has been previewed I'm not certain

[@lukedesmith]

@@pizzaemperor3553 They look pretty good to me so far.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@lukedesmith Aggressive crowd control every turn sounds rather unpleasant to me. Edit: For an example (which is just a preview so it could be wrong or be changed), Ancient Green Dragons can spam Charm Person at 5th level at will, with the weird new legendary reaction thing that lets them use up to 4 times per round. That sounds, very unpleasant to wade through unless you're a Pally, Druid, or Cleric

[@mcullennz]

We updated. Our party is an Autognome artificer, Dwarf lycan Bloodhunter, Owlin battlemaster and Kalashtar wildfire druid.

[@Negative1Point]

I poured enough money into 2014 rules, I don't want to move to 2024

[@zhornlegacy7936]

agreed to that. I have my 5e books, I've mostly rounded out the collection before the 5.24 zero reason to move beyond that point as for new books going forward, paizo is getting my attention with pf2e, and I can always use the adventures and settings in either system, since encounters are being modified to suit my party anyway.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@Negative1Point Wise, there's nothing worth your money in 2024. There's plenty of homebrew books if you ever want more

[@corymorse4271]

This video might not have been meant for you in particular.

[@Negative1Point]

@@pizzaemperor3553 and endless possibilities just from my own head lol

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@Negative1Point That too

[@ParkerKent-r7z]

You don't ever have to switch and can simply make your own rules, it was what we all had to do for years. There is not a version of the game yet that doesn't have issues, flaws, contradictions, or vague rules, that need to be addressed at some point. I can prove it with the last two versions (2014/2024) with a single word, "JUMP".

[@pizzaemperor3553]

For my part, I'm probably never gonna transition. There's like 3 ideas I'm grabbing, one of which is from the UA, and the rest I'm ignoring. These rules are not a significant enough improvement from 5e to be worth anyone's money, and the company behind certainly doesn't deserve it. There are better answers to 5e's problems made by genuinely talented and creative people, for free.

[@Dragowolf_Rising]

Nobody in my group finds the changes desirable. Nobody is remotely interested in changing any time soon, if ever.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@Dragowolf_Rising Nice, glad to hear it. I offer enough homebrew that I think I can placate most players that end up at my table

[@Dragowolf_Rising]

@@pizzaemperor3553 I homebrew a lot as well. People mostly like my rule tweaks and new spells, magic items, class, and subclasses.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@Dragowolf_Rising Nice. I just got done composing all of the homebrew I wish to use in my games going forward. Mostly buffs and new stuff, with a handful of needed nerfs and reworks

[@tabletopgamingwithwolfphototec]

My D&D Groups did when they switch campaigns , which is the best way to do it overall.

[@arcaniswithertree4284]

We're not transitioning characters. The only things we are taking is bumping up the healing and the exhaustion rules.

[@michaelbryant3640]

I don't have a campaign (playing or running) at the moment, but I've been pondering a 2024 update to the hexblade warlock... though it would likely be under a different name. ("Hexbound"?) Basically, my concept is a patron based around enhancing the features and flavor of whichever pact boon was chosen at level one: pact of the blade gets proficiency in medium armor and shields and the pact weapon counts as magical for overcoming resistances, pact of the chain grants telepathic communication with your familiar at any distance on the same plane, etc. I haven't figured out what bonuses pact of the tome should get yet... Long story short, I'm trying to make a more warlock-y warlock. And yes, I realize that making the pact boons into invocations in 2024 complicates things. There would need to be concrete language ensuring the subclass locks the PC into only getting bonuses from one boon at a time.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@michaelbryant3640 You could look at Swecky's Omega Warlock. It expands the Pact Boons into second subclasses, way before One Dnd. Some of the details aren't perfect but I do like the new framework

[@Fuzzatron3000]

Short answer: immediately if you play online only with D&D beyond, as it absolutely is not backwards compatible for old subclasses and rules. But if you play IRL and use physical books etc. who cares, play whatever classes, rules and books you play

[@smeefman6923]

I'm still running D&D 5e 2014 and I don't plan on switching to 2024 any time soon

[@biggusbeardus]

Hey, you mentioned Heroic Inspiration is the same as the old Inspiration, but you can reroll any die. Here's the kicker. In 2024, you must use the new roll. So that's worse. With 2014 Inspiration you just get advantage on a roll. So with 2024 you can reroll ANY die, so that's cool, but if that second roll is worse, you have to keep it. IMO that is considerably worse than 2014 Inspiration. What is heroic or inspiring about using that natural 1 you rolled on your second roll? Thanks for the video. I've been trying to figure out when to switch to the new rules.

[@jonous2001]

I, and most of the players in my area/group still find 3.5 quite fine. Plus I have a lot of the books. To be honest I would play pathfinder, or hell even a Palladium system before I will waste time in any Hasbro updates.

[@lukedesmith]

My 5.5 Ranger fits in well with rest of the 5e party. No issues so far.

[@0dwin]

A Lumberjack Wizard? Anyway, Always treated edition update as something that crashed the status quo. the player will be powerful and that will cause social conflicts which will keep the story flowing until the mosters tap into that power in a couple of months.

[@Mark-ki7ic]

We're switched to new version of spells

[@deanospimoniful]

In the middle of a campaign. Will probably switch at the beginning of the next one.

[@kwith]

For us it was a breeze. We were finishing up a campaign just as the books were coming out so we opted to just stay with the 2014 rules for that campaign and then when mine started we are now using the 2024 rules. My gf and her group just swapped mid-campaign since they were still only near the beginning.

[@Itachi45481]

I want to see the new monsters first that and I’m going to use old and new together no matter what happens they said they’re compatible so I intend to find out that and many is just simple tweaks

[@nateshelton1052]

Better off switching to a new system. Dnd has gone to hell and the new edition is complete hot garbage

[@MizakiFelix]

Absolutely never. It’s an awful system in my opinion. You should play patherfinder instead much more complete game.

[@michaelmuirhead910]

Players, please don’t lay all of the rules updates on your DM. Have some understanding of how your new PC works. I have players that ask questions that they can find in the phb and their sheets right in front of them… I’ll help of course, but in the middle of a combat, you can be preparing for your turn, so we don’t have to wait 5+ minutes when your turn begins. It’s not good for anyone.

[@LordTonzilla]

It's crazy some people are playing games where that isn't the bare minimum

[@Zr0din]

When to switch? Well, if you have a Monk player in your party you owe it to them to switch IMMEDIATELY! Everyone else can wait until the New Monster Manual.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@Zr0din Or I just go use an actually good Monk revision. Edit: If the party is completely allergic to anything not created by our ""flawless"" overseers WotC, then yeah use the One Dnd Monk

[@Zr0din]

@pizzaemperor3553 I've run into lots of allergies.

[@Dragowolf_Rising]

​@@Zr0dinThankfully my group prefers 3rd party to 1st more often than not.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@Zr0din Not sure what this means Edit: I understand now 😂. Yeah that can be annoying, likely due to people overestimating how hard it is to create a character manually. I'd recommend KibblesTasty's work as well as OmegaAnkh's Monk. Flashy enough to bring people in without breaking the game in the process

[@EpicRandomness555]

@@pizzaemperor3553okay whatever dude. The 2024 Monk is great

[@Deadlystrike25]

walking while beeing stunned is just stupid

[@roscoeivan8739]

I don't think I'd ever switch. 2024 is cleaner in some ways but enough of the intresting play experiences are gone to encourage me to stay on 2014 or play something else (Starwars, star treck or pbta fantasy)

[@simonfernandes6809]

We switched to 2024 rules after the PHB came out. The new classes are more versatile and the redone spells are more useful and better balanced. 5e 2024 is a better version of 5e.

[@chade6514]

What interesting experiences feel gone for you?

[@pizzaemperor3553]

​@@simonfernandes6809 Better balanced is a lie

[@zhornlegacy7936]

@@simonfernandes6809 balanced? *laughs in conjure minor elementals*

[@roscoeivan8739]

The experiences that are gone.... Ranger play. Companions and "summon" should function as world elements rather than amorphous blobs of magic. Contested checks(especially stealth and Perception). Intresting synergies. Tools as skills is a different framework than tools as skill enhancements.

[@MilieuGames]

I'm running 4 different campaigns with completely different players (18 total). Only one person has brought up the new rules. He bought the books right when they came out, and he's reluctant to use the new rules.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

Damn, hope the new players I'm running for soon are the same 😂

[@NakaliTama]

OG 5e was solid. No need to switch to 2024

[@lostlune]

after the monster maual comes out

[@general_malarky]

Six players at my table. Four of them switched to 5.24 and two of them stuck with their old character sheets. We all play alongside each other and it goes perfectly well. Every table is different, of course. But this just wasn't a big deal for us whatsoever.

[@AgharGrin]

i'll tell you when... before the wild mage fireballs the 2nd level party. she was the only survior.

[@bruulbrainsmasher1210]

I tried 5e for a bit. Went back to 3.5/PF1. I know the internet seems to think it's too crunchy or whatever but when you've been running 3.x for 20 years it doesn't seem that complicated to my group. We just brought in a new player recently and it's the first time in years I'm seeing the complexity as a downside (he also jumped in at LV 11 so there's that as well). The way WotC has behaved recently, they will not be getting any of my money again. I see 5e as a gateway game to new people and I hope they have fun with it. 2024 does look better to me from the sidelines. The things my group doesn't like are all still there however so it's a pass. Now Draw Steel has my attention, and I will be keeping an eye on that.

[@craigjones7343]

I switched during the OGL crisis. Never looked back. WotC is a horrible anti consumer company. They will bled every customer dry as quickly as possible.

[@ChaosNothingAD]

The answer is don’t switch editions switch games. 😂

[@TweaksDIRT]

Tales of the Valiant.. does it best

[@zactheg]

No new DnD. Hasbro sucks. Maybe It'll be ok when Elon takes over.

[@Jamiedoh789]

Easy.... just dont.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

When to switch to the new edition? Not at all. D&D is not a video game that stops working if not patched to the newest version. Even though WotC may try to make it one... Just play whichever version you feel familiar/comfortable with.

[@hammerhiem75]

For me it was simple. I was dissatisfied with the character generation in 5E I looked at 5.1 and frankly it was worse, so so much worse... So I expanded on the one i replaced the 5E shambles with and i'm basically playing a full on homebrew these days, no need to give WotC any more of my hard earned cash. Next we as a group are going to look at classes, we're already agreed on what the problem is (From lvl 6+ characters no longer develop, everything after lvl 6 for most classes is a waste of time.) so now we just have to agree on the solution and while we're at it rewrite teh feat system into something that feels worth taking. My disillusion with WotC and the direction they took the game is long standing, and the breaking point was Spelljammer, which was without doubt the worst waste of money since I bought Spellfire instead of MtG beta. (Yeah, I did that)

[@SlayerOfWorlds]

Never. Never switch.

[@matthewdbickel]

I'm so uninterested in buying and learning a new system, and especially paying for a new system from a company that is morally bankrupt and disrespects its creators and players. I may adapt some of the good ideas into my table, but I see no need to switch.

[@PalleRasmussen]

Never. I shall not be giving WoTC and Hasbro any money.

[@jasonpfirman2881]

Yup hard pass

[@Notachupacabra]

We are switching to pathfinder lol.

[@adambyczynski764]

Coming from a Ranger player I sure hope you let the Rangers in your game move hunters Mark for free. If anyone you know dares to play a Ranger. lol. Since you’re buffing the paladin.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@adambyczynski764 Nah, I just give them an actually good Ranger revision

[@roscoeivan8739]

@@adambyczynski764 I think wotc didn't care with 2024 ranger because they can just sell another revision and they expected unhappy players no matterwhat. "Tasha's 2024."

[@adambyczynski764]

@ I’m more bothered about the features that they took away from the Ranger than what they changed. But this was in response to the fact that he feels smites were Nerf too hard.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@adambyczynski764 Ah that's fair, yeah both half casters got pretty hard, one justifiably so but way too hard, the other absolutely unreasonably

[@gabrielsalesmartins]

Very intuitive title for the video, very easy to find on the KZbin search engine...

[@AnarchicArachnid]

Cool I'm going to ToV tho

[@baronkimble5378]

Never lol 😆

[@Felrohan]

If you think there's power creep in this new edition, you really need to watch Treantmonk and D4. They both have done the math on new and old classes. The power levels of PCs are very similar to what they've been in the past. My players in 2014 were already very strong and I already was using max HP to have my enemies survive for more than 1 round of combat. I love the new changes and Weapon Masteries have been so much fun (on both sides of the DM screen). I've also had some Players want to stay in 5.14, which is fine. I just made sure they had no access to the new feats/weapon masteries (I have 1 player with a cracked out Sharpshooter build). Anyone else that wanted to update to 5.24 lost access to the older versions of the new feats, but gained all the other benefits of the new edition. In these mixed groups, I have not seen a disparity in power levels between the new and old characters. For context, I play 3 days a week, with different groups and rotating campaigns (6+ Campaigns).

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@Felrohan From what I've heard of the Treantmonk video, it was quite flawed with it's approach, mainly because the power creep of One Dnd is not necessarily in raw damage numbers, but rather in versatility and crowd control. Can't quite put something like the new Giant Insect 0 move speed on hit effect on a spreadsheet. I don't know if d4's video is the same, but I wouldn't be too surprised. I'm sorry, but One Dnd is an objectively higher power level compared to 2014. Between the Origin feat, broad buffs across the board (except Ranger for some reason), the power is higher. The top end of optimization might not have budged much, but the bottom objectively did. Sure something like Twilight Cleric can keep up, but that subclass was an extreme outlier in 5e. That being said, if you prefer the higher level you may continue and have fun. There are still issues with One Dnd beyond that (most inter-option balance is still terrible, bland features, etc.) but that's a whole other topic

[@grymmgaming7035]

Answer, never. Saved everyone 17 minutes

[@FattyMcFox]

2024 Twinspell is nothing at all like like the 2014 Twinspell, so that is a case that is worth considering, either let the person keep the old version, or let them pick something else should they decide they don't like the new version. I have one table that has made the change, and one table that hasn't, and likely won't until after the new monster manual or maybe not even then. Also, you are not beholden to the the Rules as written and never were, you can hybridize with table rulings to make your own twist that is a mix of both. A few of my Updated Characters are not ditching their Background features for the new version of Backgrounds + origin feat, because the 2014 backgrounds are a little better for roleplay.

[@lukedesmith]

Why are we calling it 2024 when 1/3 of the game is being released in 2025? This is inconsistent with previous rules updates, in accurate, and IMHO it sounds dumb. Can't we all just agree to call it 5.5 whether WOTC likes it or not?

[@Azrealophion]

Juggerduck

[@zenonx1]

I’ll just borrow the parts I like

[@oldfartrick]

Never, this players must win version is bad. See you at 7th Ed, as this is not 5th ed but a total change, so, 6th ed.

[@because4337]

For me, never. I don't like the new stuff, and I'm moving on to an older school system. With all the 5e you tubers moving to the new stuff, I'll probably have to unsubscribe from several people. Good luck.

[@dungeondr]

I see When and How, I don't see Should.

[@Sir.Reverence]

Never better to go back to 3.5.

[@brandcolt]

The answer is move over to Draw Steel :)

[@simonburling3762]

I have converted some of my 2014 characters to 2024. Most are more powerful.

[@ZipZapRap1981]

2024 is the first edition I'll skip since AD&D. Honestly, I'm just a much savvier consumer now.

[@igormendonca8049]

Never. Next question?

[@kinoko5566]

My dm is letting me use 2024 fighter rules in her 2014 campaign.

[@Necro_Nurse]

The answer is...never and you don't.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

When to swap? Never, How? Just don't. I went from 3.5 to pathfinder, to 5e; 4e was dumb 5.5.24e is also dumb. P2e here we come! Well once we're bored with 5e. Also I've seen people using 5.24e to demonstrate it's the 2024 completely different game by the same version number. It helps make it clear you're not talking about playing 5e in 2024.

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Fair lol. I got enough homebrew that I probably ain't switching from 2014 5e anytime soon

[@guamae]

It stuck out, you said 2024 classes are better than 2014, except for Smites... Rangers are worse 😝 Might just be the nerfs to Sharpshooter... But when we looked at the Ranger in my game, he'd just lose stats 🙀

[@NerdImmersion]

I should have put an asterisk that I don't even consider the Ranger. Maybe I've finally done enough work to forget it that I actually did

[@pizzaemperor3553]

@@guamae It's not just the Sharpshooter nerfs, there's actually quite a few nerfs across the board. Plus having your main class feature take up concentration is a bit of a slap in the face 😂

[@darthtc23]

Answer: never.

[@AsboXFlemzo]

No reason to switch the new rules are worse than the old rules.

[@jamesnabors3643]

Switch? Switch to Pathfinder 1e... Sweet Baby Inc has no power there.

[@bartlester591]

Why, in the name of the nine hells would I want to play woke Dungeons & Dragons with its Creedence eggs with your arms if you don’t like what’s going on because everything must be safe space or we’ve got to save the Mexican and don’t forget about the gay dwarf bakers the only rules that are good for second edition

[@silasrobertshaw8122]

Disband your current group and buy new books. THEN...get a new group. Perfect timing.

[@thorndarkcloud7557]

Don't just use it as a Source book using what you like and ignore the rest like everyone else I know

[@zeriul09]

meh, i let my players pick which is most advantageous to them, ofc i make sure things are fair but so far everyone is happy, it's pretty easy to mix and match stuff

[@primafacie5029]

The only transition I am doing is to ACKs and LotFP

[@DM_Bluddworth]

I tried 5E for a short time and went back to running D&D BECMI and AD&D 1E. Since then (2023) I moved to Castles & Crusades.