When is a cathedral not a cathedral?

Have you seen Berlin Cathedral? You may think you have, but actually... have you?
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[@AK-kq8xq]

Gratuliere zu Deinen Erkenntnissen. In diesem Begriffswirrwarr habe ich mich auch schon einmal ´verlaufen‘. Füg noch das ‚Münster’ hinzu und Deine Erkenntnissuche ähnelt Asterix Passierschein A38

[@holger_p]

Die A38 ist die Südharzautobahn.

[@MichaEl-rh1kv]

@@wolschou I think you're wrong here: a Münster (minster) is simply a church within a cloister or monastery (or that was part of a monastery at the time it was built). There are fortified churches however, church castles (like many in Romania), but I don't think they have a special name. Many village churches were fortified as refuge fort in uncertain times. And there are some big churches named Basilika which refers to a specific architecture (with a central nave and several aisles). The Greek basilica meant a king's hall, but was used in ancient Rome for that specific architecture and could serve as market hall or court of justice. But it is also a title the pope can grant to every church building which is in some sense important or prominent. The 4 Basilicae maiores are the main churches in Rome, all other churches entitled by the pope are Basilica minores - and that title does not refer to the architecture at all. Edit: In Southern Germany it became common since the 12th century to give big churches the title "Münster" even if they were never part of a monastery. And as the pope can grant the title 'basilica minor' a catholic bishop can grant the title 'Münster' to important churches (at least in German speaking countries, as it seems). And cathedrals are sometimes also called 'Münster' since the cathedral chapter (Domkapitel) followed monastic rules (back then).

[@keskonriks710]

Schalter 2 ist Gleich nebenan? Neinneinnein, das ist Schalter 8. Zu Schalter 2 müssen Sie...

[@albussr1589]

Ich dachte immer, das Wort Dom würde sich auf das gewölbte Dach beziehen. Wieder was gelernt. Ich geh das rosa Formular holen.

[@michaelz.7140]

@@albussr1589 Aber der Kölner Dom hat garkein gewölbtes Dach...

[@thulyblu5486]

Tja, Dom gelaufen...

[@Trident023]

Romanes eunt DOMus...oder so ähnlich,,,

[@lindsaywebb1904]

Boom Tisch

[@kacperwoch4368]

There is a town not far from where I live that has a cathedral. The thing is the church has been called a cathedral for centuries despite it being only a parish church, probadly due to its impressive size. Then in 1990s the church was made into a new seat of bishop thus making it... a cathedral.

[@downhilltwofour0082]

Once again, I leave this channel Dom-founded! Always interesting though. Thanks for sharing.

[@tungurahua8257]

So are you telling me that the Thunder Dome is not the seat of the bishop? 🤭

[@MichaEl-rh1kv]

No. It's the home of the Thunder god.

[@derradfahrer5029]

Don't forget the "Hamburger Dom"

[@NicolaW72]

The "Hamburger Dom" was called in this way because the place where he is celebrated every year was until the 19th century the place of the mediaval cathedral of Hamburg. The "Heilig-Geist-Feld" ("Holy-Ghost-Field") there is named because the cathedral carried the name of the Holy Ghost (the "Heilig-Geist-Dom"). From the 9th century until the end of the Thirty-Years-War in the 17th century the Hamburger Dom was not only a Dom but really the cathedral of the Archbishops of Bremen and Hamburg. In opposite to Bremen, who preserved their Dom = Cathedral, Hamburg demolished the Dom in the 19th century and the leftover is the name of the place and the name of the event.

[@derradfahrer5029]

@@NicolaW72 I did not know that. Thanks. Btw: Heilger Geist -> Holy Spirit

[@EifelBlaulichtTV]

@@NicolaW72 right. But still Hamburg has a cathedral. The St. Mary's cathedral (Mariendom) ist, which nowadays holds the seat of Hamburg's arch bishop.

[@NicolaW72]

@@EifelBlaulichtTV Indeed. But this Arch-Diocese together with its cathedral was only established after German reunification in 1994 by Pope John Paul II. It has in fact nothing to do with the mediaval Arch-Diocese which was abandoned in 1645 and nothing with the mediaval cathedral which was demolished in the 19th century - in fact the new St. Mary´s cathedral is placed in a totally other part of the city and is far away from being something what you probably would imagine as a tourist under the term "cathedral".

[@albussr1589]

I never set Foot in a Hamburg Church. The one in my Hometown is enough. I wasn´t on the Hamburger Dom either. Stupid Virus

[@m0llux]

To all those who are wondering what the usual word for "dome" is in German, it's "Kuppel".

[@juziustheone]

but a "Dom" often has a dome on the roof.

[@Dave_Sisson]

Thanks for that. English has a similar word, 'Cupola' which means a small dome.

[@leDespicable]

@@juziustheone Not really. I'd say that a typical German cathedral doesn't usually have a dome. Many are either gothic or romanesque, architectural styles that didn't feature large domes because it wasn't possible to build such structures back then.

[@holger_p]

The capitol in washington DC we would refer to as a Dome, in architectural way. Although the American call it the Rotunda. But in the TV-Show "Under the dome" it's a huge cupola.

[@manub.3847]

@@juziustheone But not the popular "Hamburger Dom"www.hamburg.com/dom/ the other dom can also be found: www.mariendomhamburg.de/

[@ArfurFaulkesHake]

"Bossom, Bossom, that's an odd name! Neither one thing nor the other." Winston Churchill 1932 Probably not the first time you hear this rewboss.

[@Laufbursche4u]

As always: Your humor make my day. Thx.

[@joshmyer9]

This may be the most on-brand video you ever make, delightfully so. It's got everything you could ask for in a rewboss video (except footage from your visit to the church's fall festival, where everything is covered in inexplicable hay and radiates German wholesomeness).

[@moatl6945]

Furthermore, some Cathedrals in Germany aren't called »Dom« at all: The Minsters of Essen and Freiburg (Breisgau) or the Catholic Church of the Royal Court of Saxony in Dresden - because they became cathedrals »just recently« (within the last 200 years or so).

[@leDespicable]

Ulm as well :P

[@rivenoak]

@@leDespicable same with other _dom_ listed at 1:30 Merseburger Dom for example, but it was catehdral once. Dom zu Halle never was home to a bishop, true.

[@folkestender2025]

Possibly some churches were bishop's churches before the Reformation and were therefore called Dom. It changed after the Reformation, but the name Dom remains. For example, the Lübecker Dom is no longer a bishop's church and will still be called the Lübecker Dom. The St. Nikolaikirche in Kiel was also a bishop's church for a long time, but was never called Dom.

[@albussr1589]

@@leDespicable Ulm is a Münster. Will always stay in my Mind. The Ulmer Münster unserer Lieben Frau, the only Church I will visit regularly ... to climb up the highest Churchtower in the World.

[@ghislainedefeligonde5166]

You are sadly mistaken; "Dom" is the traditional carnivale in Hamburg....

[@pega17pl]

Because it was located at the Dome (church).

[@Hendricus56]

In addition many Dome once had a bishop until the reformation came. So they started out as cathedrals, but then stopped being it but they were still called cathedral/Dom

[@dorderre]

funny how you sound so very different speaking german from speaking english, and completely accent free, congrats :)

[@barvdw]

There is at least one other Bishop in Berlin, the Bishop of the Evangelical Church of Berlin-Brandenburg and the Silesian Oberlausitz, which is a member of the EKD, but their 'kathedral' is the Marienkirche, apparently, but not all EKD churches have bishops. The Berliner Dom does seem to be the 'head church' of the EKD. Quite an interesting Wikipedia hole, just to say: the organisation of the protestant church in Germany is complicated.

[@NicolaW72]

The Berliner Dom which stands today there is the fourth one at this place and was erected around 1900 during the rule of Kaiser Wilhelm II. The first one was built in the 16th century, the second one in the 18th century and the third one in the early 19th century. During all this times until the end of the monarchy in 1918 this churches served as burials for the first Electoral, than Royal, than Imperial House of Hohenzollern - you can still visit the burials of many members of the Hohenzollern Family in the Berliner Dom. Until 1918 it was also the court church where the service was done for the members of the ruling family. The church has therefor its name, not only caused by his largeness (the three older churches at this place were much smaller, especially the first one from the 16th century). You can also see the paintings and plastic of the early 20th century inside of the Berliner Dom which are celebrating the religious self-understanding of his reign by Wilhelm II.

[@johncrwarner]

Frankfurter Dom is usually translated as Frankfurt Cathedral - yet it is not the seat of a bishop and was the site of the coronation of the Holy Roman Emperor. I think it is a "collegiate church" in the sense that it has canons and a dean - not necessarily monastics - so it has some of the structure of a cathedral (the dean and chapter) but no bishop.

[@nord4mucke337]

In Hamburg Dom means fun fair - Jahrmarkt. Wich is also misleading because it takes place three times a year. (But the Historie is quite clear. The original fair took place at the Mariendom zu Hamburg, wich was the "Konkathedrale" archdiocese of Bremen. During the Reformation the dom lost it's impotance and was demolished and sold. )

[@DarkrarLetsPlay]

Daumen hoch für ein anständiges etymologisches Wörterbuch!

[@kieferngruen]

To make things even more confusing, I'd like to add Münster to your list of words for churches ;)

[@louisgray3479]

I already wondered about that. I hope at least this is always a cathedral. At least yo can translate that directly into English as 'minster'. But what about Basilicas? Are they cathedrals? If not what is the difference to a dome/minster?

[@varana]

@@louisgray3479 A Münster was originally the church of a monastery, cathedrals could bear that title, as well. Later on, the meaning expanded to other types of church, esp. in Northern Germany. A basilica is one of two things: An honorary title for very important Catholic churches (some of which are cathedrals, others are not; the title of basilica gets awarded by the Pope), or a specific architectural style of church (long main hall, two or more lower side halls, essentially).

[@xaverlustig3581]

@@varana Münster/minster are actually cognates of monastery, which in turn is from Latin monasterium, ultimately from Greek monasterion.

[@cedrickropp]

I learned that a Dom is a specific style of church, it needs to have certain criteria like Domes which have to have at least certain dimensions, also something with the wacky little bell towers, that nowadays no longer have a bell (usually), and most importantly that the church classifies it as such. My family (fathers side) was always rather proud that the first of them who went to upper Bavaria was the (or one of the who knows who wrote the documents that were written in the late middle ages) architects (didn't design it only helped build it) of the Bamberger Dom. He received a Lehensgut for his work on which they still live (we don't because my grandmother moved to a different village near Würzburg in which her husband had a Farm).

[@AlessAbreu]

It matches exactly that graph 'I know nothing --> I know everything --> I know nothing' (not to be confused with the Dunning-Kruger Effect)

[@c.primavera9690]

Super Erklärung. Ich musste dann gleich mal nachschlagen, was die guten alten gedruckten Lexika zum Thema sagen. Also "Meyers Grosse Tadchenlexikon" Band 5, 1983: Dom [zu lat. domus (ecclesiae) "Haus (der Kirche)"], zunächst Bez. für die Bischofskirche und die Wohnungen des Klerus; im heutigen Sprachgebrauch werden im allg. bes. große Kirchen, v. a. die Bischofskirche "D. " genannt. ◇ s. Dampfdom ◇ drehbare Kuppel einer Sternwarte ◇ in der Tektonik gewölbeartige Sattelstruktur, im Ggs. zur muldenförmigen Schüssel.

[@icetnira3542]

Even it is called Meißer Dom or Dom zu Meißen, the bishop cathedral for Dresden-Meißen is the "Katholische Hofkirche" in Dresden. As you can see there is no Dom or cathedral in its word.

[@fs2728]

To make it more confusing, besides doms and cathedrals, there are also münsters (from lat. monasterium, so originally a church belonging to a monastery). And even more confusing: the biggest church in Münster is not a münster, but a dom.

[@eltfell]

When you are in a church called "Dom" and when you want to find out, if this is technically a "Dom", just look for what in Latin is called "cathedra".

[@phosphoros60]

In Wirges, near where I grew up, there is the 'Westerwälder Dom' which isn't a Cathedral either. It's not even a particularly big church. It's just (neo-)gothic, and so probably reminded people of Cologne Cathedral.

[@jensrickels5720]

Not surprisingly some former bishop seats are still called Dom, like in Minden or Worms.

[@martineyles]

There are protestant churches that have bishops and cathedrals, but it seems, at least in the case of the Anglican Church, the Bishop with oversight of St George's Church in Berlin is the Bishop of Gibraltar, though occasionally he also sits in the Pro-Cathedrals/Co-Cathedrals in Valleta, Malta and Brussels, Belgium.

[@aixtom979]

At least is makes not much difference when sightseeing, only when you expect to have tea with the bishop it get's complicated. ;-D

[@Alex_vdR]

As far as I understood, the word cathedral refers to the function of the building as a seat of a bishop, derived from the 'cathedra', the literal seat, or throne, of a bishop, symbolising his authority to teach (As an example of that concept: The pope, in catholic teaching, is infallible, but only if he specifically speaks 'ex cathedra', meaning in function as highest spiritual authority, as opposed to everything else he says in his day to day life). in contrast, 'Dom' refers to the building as a piece of architcture itself. Many, if not most, Doms used to be cathedrals, but lost that status by some historical development (like the reformation, or the 'Reichsdeputationshauptschluss' of 1803, that secularised most spiritual lordships in the dying HRE); conversly, sometimes a big church might be called a Dom without ever having been a cathedral, especially if it was build in the protestant parts of Germany.

[@presbyterosBassI]

You have nailed "paper infallibility" exactly.

[@adrianirimescu988]

In unser Heimstadt gibt es 2 Kathedralen, die sind aber klein und nur die und die Kirche in Umgangssprache bennant. Die große relativ neu gebaute Kirche wird wegen ihre Imposanter Dom als Kathedrale gesehen. Immer dasselbe 😁

[@crashk6]

Or rather, the more you know, the more you realize the world doesn't follow it's own rules; and that's a bit maddening.

[@Herzschreiber]

hach, ich lieeebe Deine Videos einfach. Auch wenn ich sie in der Regel viel zu spät anschaue ;)

[@PauxloE]

If we go for "seat of a bishop", we should also add the Lutheran St. Mary church (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mary%27s_Church,_Berlin - not that far from the other mentioned ones), but the Lutherans don't have a tradition of naming their churches "Dom", except for ones which previously were catholic cathedrals. (The Lutheran bishop of Berlin is also sometimes preaching in "Berliner Dom", so maybe that's an argument for calling it a cathedral.)

[@leracou]

In Hamburg ist der Dom einfach Das große Volksfest in der Vorweihnachtszeit "Wir gehen auf den Dom" Um acherterbahn zu fahren

[@untruelie2640]

I can at least explain one of the names on the right side of your list: The "Dom zu Halle" was originally just the church of a monastery, but then the Archbishop of Magdeburg got into a conflict with the citizens of Magdeburg. They wanted to be independent from the rule of the Archbishop, so they essentially expelled him from the city. Magdeburg Cathedral was still his REAL cathedral, but he was not allowed to have his residence there anymore. Therefore, he moved to the second largest town in his principality, the city of Halle (Saale). 1520-1523, Archbishop (and Cardinal) Albrecht von Brandenburg rebuild the church and made it his "working" curch. However Magdeburg Cathedral was still the official cathedral of the Archbishopric.

[@Ilogunde]

Furthermore it's a cathedral without a tower, maybe the only one...

[@untruelie2640]

@@Ilogunde Well, technically it isn't a cathedral...

[@empiricalandinquirical2435]

“I really need to do something more productive with my time.” You’re telling me?

[@gerdforster883]

The seat of the protestant bishop of Berlin is St Mary's church, btw. So it could also claim to be a cathedral.

[@isaacbobjork7053]

In Sweden we have domkyrka, "dom church", which are the churches where the protestant bishops reside. They are probably not cathedrals though since the are protestant. The archbishop of Sweden resides in Uppsala, and furthermore there are some domkyrka without a bishop, like Kalmar had a bishop but that bishopric was merged with Växjö, that domkyrka in Kalmar is still called a domkyrka.

[@frankhooper7871]

Most English cathedrals are [now] protestant rather than Catholic, as the Church of England also has bishops. Some cities have _two_ cathedrals: Catholic and Anglican - Norwich and Liverpool amongst others.

[@saschamohr7970]

Probably someone posted this already. If I hear cathedral, I think Kölner Dom, even though that's not the official name. I'm inclined to stick to that association.

[@ccityplanner1217]

The list given at 1:28 bugs me with its inconsistent alphabetisation. But note how the right-hand column contains no entries from southern Germany.

[@qwertyTRiG]

Dublin has a weird set of cathedrals too. Christchurch is the oldest. After Henry VIII, it was taken from the Catholic Church and became a Church of Ireland (Anglican) cathedral. A later Anglican Bishop of Dublin wanted the prestige of a new cathedral, and so built St Patrick's, giving one bishop two seats. Odd. Meanwhile, the Catholics now have St Mary's, which is functionally a cathedral but they refuse to call it one (it's known as the pro-cathedral), because they still claim Christchurch as theirs.

[@Seegalgalguntijak]

Although the German word for "dome" is "Kuppel", and I think that they are somehow related. After all, these churches (the big fucking ones as well as the smaller-ish ones) all had a dome on their top, while others often just have a tippy top.

[@markhesse2928]

This is an interesting subject, but it looks like if you keep digging into it, you will only succeed in finding more questions than answers.

[@untruelie2640]

I noticed this problem when I visited Paris a few years ago. The famous "Dôme des Invalides" in the the Hôtel des Invalides is often translated to "Invaildendom". This is, of course, completely inaccurate since the building is not a cathedral and not even a church anymore (!), but rather just a large "Kuppel" since it was repurposed as the graveside of Napoléon Bonaparte in 1840. Just another wrong translation of "dôme" into "Dom".

[@patrickspendrin3107]

Well, the translation of dôme to Dom is not wrong. One could think of the Federbeindom which is very likely not a church either, so the Invalidendom is spot on. I personally wouldn't even understand Dom as a synonym for Kathedrale anyway, but I am from Berlin and thus know about the Französischer and Deutscher Dom.

[@untruelie2640]

@@patrickspendrin3107 An und für sich hat das Wort Dom beide Bedeutungen im Deutschen, beide leiten sich vom lat. "domus" (Haus) ab. Nur sind es eben zwei unterschiedliche und nicht dieselbe. Geläufiger ist die Bedeutung als Synonym für Kathedrale und nicht die als Kuppel - das ist das Problem. Das Mausoleum Napoleons (bzw. die ehemalige Kirche des Hôtel des Invalides) ist eben keine Bischofskirche, genausowenig wie die beiden Kirchen am Gendarmenmarkt. Deutlich wird das Problem spätestens beim Vergleich mit dem Berliner Dom, der wirklich eine Kathedrale ist - unabhängig davon, dass er eine Kuppel hat. Beim Kölner Dom erwartet man ja auch nicht, dass er eine Kuppel hat. Darum ging es mir, darauf hinzuweisen, dass es im Deutschen zwei Bedeutungen des Wortes gibt.

[@patrickspendrin3107]

@@untruelie2640 Hm. Ich hab halt ein Problem mit "geläufig". Für mich als Berliner ist Dom halt einfach ein Synonym für "große Kirche" (mit einer Kuppel drauf, aka Petersdom, oder der Berliner Dom und, eingeschränkt wg. Größe, Dt. und Frz. Dom). Viele andere Dome würde ich grundsätzlich als Kathedrale bezeichnen (Köln z.B.), also eine imposante, (Hallen-)Kirche. Und vielleicht liegt auch da das Problem: Das Verständnis derjenigen, die vor hunderten von Jahren ein Bauwerk Dom, Kathedrale oder Münster genannt haben, mein Verständnis und das Verständnis meiner modernen Mitbürger dürfen sich natürlich unterscheiden.

[@untruelie2640]

@@patrickspendrin3107 Nun gut. Aber es bleiben eben zwei unterschiedliche Bedeutungen. Offiziell heißt das Gebäude am Petersplatz ja auch Peterskirche - weil sie eben eine Grabkirche für Petrus ist. Die Bischofskirche des Papstes ist San Giovanni in Laterano.

[@hendrikplumer6814]

This is what makes a translator's job somewhat difficult...

[@achimvonlowtzow5280]

I really enjoy the "Hamburger Dom". This not a church, but an other story. "Hamburg cathedral" would be the most inaccurate translation ever.

[@ReinholdOtto]

Well, In my World, a Kathedrale is just any large church, but a Dom is the seat of a bishop. And those protestant churches called Dom are named like this in order to make a protestant point, as in "We in the Deutsches Reich are the Protestant version of the Holy Roman Empire".

[@thulyblu5486]

Dom of Magdeburg is a protestant cathedral, not because it is the "protestant version" of the holy roman empire, it was literally THE central building of THE holy roman empire and nowadays the archbishop of Magdeburg, a protestant, has his seat there.

[@olafgogmo5426]

Deine Welt ist nicht von dieser Welt.

[@ca9603]

Nur, um noch 'ne zusätzliche Bezeichnung in die Diskussion mit einzubringen: Weingarten in Oberschwaben hat 'ne Basilika 😉! Die könnte aber glatt als Dom durchgehen.... Viel Spaß beim Einordnen dieses zusätzlichen Bauwerks 🤔!

[@olafgogmo5426]

Einfach: Die Kirche wurde als Klosterkirche erbaut und erhielt später vom Papst die Ehrenbezeichnung "Basilica minor". Der Ehrenbezeichnung "Basilica maior" ist übrigens für die 7 Hauptkirchen Roms reserviert.

[@typxxilps]

As a bishop I can tell you that i do not live in a dom nor cathedral but in a house ... Would be great to have my own cathedral ... i mean a real one

[@blindelflunk]

As I understand it, a cathedral (as the seat of a bishop) will have in it, a cathedra. A bishop's seat. :-)

[@rarbiart]

"donauturm-streit" is what you should look up on google. the story is hillarious.

[@MonkeyDRuffy82]

Die katholische Hofkirche in Dresden ist auch ne Kathedrale, weil sie Sitz des Bistums Dresden Meißen ist. 😁

[@Angeli28]

Wirklich?

[@javi8714]

Ist der "Meißener Dom" heute evangelisch? Meine doch der heißt so. (?)

[@julianha5473]

I'm glad I live in a city where the "Dom" is actually a cathedral :D

[@NajwaLaylah]

'Bish, please, before you go calling it a cathedral'.

[@x42brown]

Is the English language perhaps changing to make the that Wikipedia entry correct? St Giles in Edinburgh was always referred to as the 'High Kirk' in my youth but now it is normally referred to as a cathedral.

[@rewboss]

No; St Giles's was actually made a cathedral in 1633, lost its status in 1637, regained it in 1661 and finally lost it in 1690. So although it isn't technically a cathedral, it was a cathedral for two brief periods in the 17th century. I suspect in recent year's it's promoted itself as a (former) cathedral to attract tourists. The cathedral for the diocese of Edinburgh is currently St Mary's.

[@connectingthedots100]

How about the Hamburger Dom? :-b (it's a fair)

[@JakobFischer60]

And there is the "Basilika"

[@OlgaBandelowa]

Und was ist mit der Hamburger Domkirche? Sie ist ein echter Bischofssitz.

[@56independent]

In Russian, we have "дом" pronounced as "dom". It means house, and not all houses are cathederals :p.

[@OlgaBandelowa]

Das kommt von Domus, dem lateinischen Wort für Haus.

[@PegasusNbW]

To make it even more complicated, let's throw in the "pro-cathedrals", that have the religious function of a cathedral but aren't cathedrals. In Europe some of those can be found especially on the British Isles - like in Dublin or Glasgow.

[@berndbrotify]

Wait until you learn about the Hamburg Cathedral, um I mean de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_Dom_(Volksfest)

[@presbyterosBassI]

You are absolutely not alone in this. American mega churches frequently name themselves "cathedral" in what appears to be total ignorance of proper terminology.

[@Toxicity1987]

Me a cologne boy: Mom: we are gonna visit the Hamburger Dom! Me: uhh another boring church?

[@GameOver00X]

My guess would be, that "Dom" is also used for churches which have been a Bishop's seat at one point in the past.

[@rewboss]

Not even that. It's just a big church.

[@betaich]

@@rewboss At least for the Freiberger Dom it is partly true, it was planed as a seat for a bishop,but than the reformation happened.

[@GameOver00X]

@@rewboss I that case you put it perfectly in the beginning of the video and I feel also that I know now less than before. I guess the world is often much more complicated and illogical than we anticipate.

[@elton1981]

But the Berliner Dom has never been a bishops seat.

[@bertjafn]

Meißen Cathedral was the seat of the local catholic bishops until they moved to Dresden, and is now their co-seat. And while the Berliner Dom never was the seat of a bishop, it had a cathedral chapter before reformation (Berlin was seat of a prince-elector and capital of a major german principality, but didn’t have its own bishop; I guess that was done to have the local bishop represented in the capital in some way)

[@510Russ]

And, now to muddy the waters even further: There is a large building in Indianapolis that looks like a church, but it's not. It's the Scottish Rite Cathedral. Although the Freemasons have many titles, I don't think "bishop" is one of them. Once, I tried to make an argument similar to yours -- that a cathedral is a very specific building. My friend told me that a cathedral can be any kind or organizational "seat." I've never taken the time to check out my friend's claim. Perhaps you and I should just let this one go... :)

[@holger_p]

Well, in pop culture those terms became common for just some architectural attributes or just as poetry. The smithsonian - cathedral of science. Or a Metro station with a 20 Meter high hall can be a cathedral. Words are once missused, and after a while, it's defined common use, an official meaning.

[@JakobFischer60]

"Ex cathedra" means from the seat. One could have known.

[@wolsch3435]

Yes and in old cathedrals You can see often the big chair of the bishop

[@mnsegler1]

Wel you could edit the Wikipedia page and correct it. Even cite your references!

[@MegaJJ1968]

Habe mir häufig schon ähnliche Fragen gestellt 😂

[@uncinarynin]

Und nächste woche: Was ist ein Münster? Ursprünglich von Monasterium, steht aber heute für eine ganze reihe großer kirchen, die nichts mit klostern zu tun haben, manche davon sind katholische kathedralen, andere protestantisch, gemeinsam ist ihnen nur, eine große und wichtige (oft die bedeutendste) kirche in einer stadt zu sein.

[@folkestender2025]

Münster ist ein abgeleitetes Wort aus dem griechisch/lateinischen. Es kommt von Monasterium, was Kloster bedeutet. Damit wurde ursprünglich eine Kirche bezeichnet, die nicht nur Pfarrkirche, sondern Teil eines Klosters oder Stifts war oder ist. Auch große Dome und Kathedralen wurden oft so genannt, weil auch die Domkapitel (die Leitungskörperschaft einer Bischofskirche) ursprünglich in einer klosterähnlichen Gemeinschaft lebten.

[@naruciakk]

BTW, isn't the Berlin (Catholic) Cathedral sometimes called "der Dom" because it is a huge dome after all?

[@bertjafn]

No. The Catholic „Dom“ is known as „St Hedwigs Kathedrale“ in German, or St Hedwig for short.

[@NicolaW72]

@@bertjafn Correct. St. Hedwig is btw the Roman-Catholic cathedral of Berlin = seat of the Roman-Catholic Archbishop of Berlin - but not the largest Roman-Catholic church of Berlin: the largest Roman-catholic church of Berlin is the "Johannes-Basilika" (and yes: what´s a "Basilika"?).

[@bertjafn]

NicolaW72 Apparently that’s also a cathedral 🤔 „The Basilica of St. John the Baptist ... is the Catholic cathedral seat of the Military Ordinariate of Germany.“ (Wikipedia)

[@MikCph]

But which Berlin church is then seat for the Protestant church - I take the protestant is still the dominant (in terms of congregation size) church in the Berlin area?

[@MikCph]

Sorry, meant: seat of the bishop for the protestant church...

[@rewboss]

The church is a member of the Evangelical Church of Berlin, Brandenburg and Upper Lusatia, and it has just one bishop overseeing everything. He doesn't have a specific church: his offices are next to St Bartholemew's Church in the district of Friedrichshain, but he preaches in different churches. His investiture was at St Mary's Church, which is the little church at the foot of the TV Tower.

[@MikCph]

rewboss Ah, thanks. That’s actually similar to the Danish Church, except the Bishop is in some degree connected with the “Domkirke”. But it has its own “domprovst” doing services and other “vicar-things”... So in other words the German Evangelical Church has no cathedrals...

[@HerrGausF]

I suppose you didn't mention the Frankfurt 'Cathedral' because then this video would have become ten times as long.

[@BiaZarr]

... Isn't the German Dom in Berlin just a Museum nowadays, though? Like, it isn't even a church anymore

[@NicolaW72]

The German Dom in Berlin is nowadays just a museum, that´s right. The French Dom in opposite is still the centre of the French speaking Protestant community in Berlin, a Reformed Parish, not a Lutheran one.

[@mickimicki]

@@NicolaW72 They have German-speaking members and services, too 🙂

[@minski76]

Mer lasse de Dom in Kölle....

[@chrishalle1982]

And when is acathedral a dom?

[@Brainreaver79]

waere es nicht einfacher die kirche anzurufen und bei denen nachzufragen? ich mein gerade die sollten es doch wissen, oder einen zumindest zu der stelle losten koennen die es weis

[@Angeli28]

Sprachen du deutsch?

[@kacperwoch4368]

Sprichst du? What's up with grammar?

[@cerberaodollam]

*confused atheist noises*

[@Seegalgalguntijak]

At first I wanted to say thank you for totally irrelevant and useless knowledge and that I liked watching the video anyways, because of the relaxing effect your voice has on me (at least when you're speaking English). But then I thought "Hmm, why is it that in English, the German word for a big fucking church, is the same as the word "Kathedrale" in German?" so I started to look at the linguistic dimension of the subject (which is indeed interesting to me, despite my heartfelt contempt for any kind of organized religion), and I never really got an answer. I always thought "oh well, these religious nutcases aren't their strongest in terms of logic anyways, after all they believe an all-powerful male being created them with a free will, requiring them to follow his rules under the threat of dire punishement if they don't, but that he still loves them nonetheless" - and now that I watched the video, I actually see that there isn't really an answer to this strange naming scheme of buildings, so my initial hypothesis about logic not being the strongest suit of religious nutcases actually seems to be true...

[@derauditor5748]

Take cover! Religous Comments incomiiiing!!!11

[@memberberry5898]

The video has absolutely no relevance to any theological debate. It's about etymology and translation.

[@varana]

It really has nothing to do with religious buildings or not. Things like this will inevitably happen if you try to cram several thousands of years of history over large areas and different cultures, religions, languages, and traditions, into a neat and unified scheme - you will fail. It's not that the system is illogical, it's your insistence that there actually should be a system at all, that is wrong. You'll find similar chaos when trying to find a singular system behind the titles of monarchs, for instance - there is none. Just to bring an obvious non-religious example.

[@civishamburgum1234]

Whrn you want to shit on a badly rresearched wikipedia artikle, but end up with ethmolocal (?) lectures.